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post #30541 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jengstrom View Post

I posted here a couple days ago about whether or not an RF52-II system would be good for a 30' x 20' room.  Ya'll set me straight and told me that the 52 wasn't enough speaker for a room that big.  Then Mongo was the first to suggest I give Mike Garrett a call and see what he could do as far as a system to meet my $2000 budget for a system and receiver.

Well, I called Mike and within a couple days will be placing an order for 2 X RF-82 II, 1 RC-62 II, 2 X RB-61 II and an AVR-X2000.  It's a little over my budget but I'm sure it will deliver a great sound, especially when I get a PSA XV15 in a couple months (need to rebuild the funds for equipment).  My last set of speakers lasted 25 years before giving up the ghost and I'm hopeful I'll get an equally long life out of these.

Thanks again to everyone that helped this newbie.

Congrats on your new setup. You will be happy with it!
post #30542 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jengstrom View Post
 

I posted here a couple days ago about whether or not an RF52-II system would be good for a 30' x 20' room.  Ya'll set me straight and told me that the 52 wasn't enough speaker for a room that big.  Then Mongo was the first to suggest I give Mike Garrett a call and see what he could do as far as a system to meet my $2000 budget for a system and receiver.

 

Well, I called Mike and within a couple days will be placing an order for 2 X RF-82 II, 1 RC-62 II, 2 X RB-61 II and an AVR-X2000.  It's a little over my budget but I'm sure it will deliver a great sound, especially when I get a PSA XV15 in a couple months (need to rebuild the funds for equipment).  My last set of speakers lasted 25 years before giving up the ghost and I'm hopeful I'll get an equally long life out of these.

 

Thanks again to everyone that helped this newbie.

welcome to the club ! :D

i see you have allmost the same speakers as i have, you'll be overjoyed with happiness and smile from ear to ear man ! these things are getting you in a new paradise of sound.

post #30543 of 35215
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Originally Posted by cchunter View Post

Ooofta I just got done watching "The Conjuring". First time I watched it was when I had my RW12D sub and I knew it had some good bass but rewatching it at -8 volume with my Ultra 6dbs hot was a whole new experience. Like Mongo says be sure to put your jockstrap on. Yea well lets just say I wish I would've. Unbelievable! The movie is scary as hell to begin with but listening with a quality sub OMG! My muscles were tensed throughout the movie from the eery low bass. All I can say is incredible. eek.gif I'm seriously contemplating whether I need another Ultra like I planned on. It hit that hard.

LMAO! Some movies get things bouncing around that you don't want bouncing around. I know I can't wait to get my 2nd Ultra!
post #30544 of 35215
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post
LMAO! Some movies get things bouncing around that you don't want bouncing around. I know I can't wait to get my 2nd Ultra!

man i can't even put my subs gain higher then half and trim on 0dB, i can wipe my whole interior from the floor after seeing that movie then lol :D

post #30545 of 35215
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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post

man i can't even put my subs gain higher then half and trim on 0dB, i can wipe my whole interior from the floor after seeing that movie then lol biggrin.gif

LOL!
post #30546 of 35215
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post
Read this:
http://www.harman.com/EN-US/OurCompany/Innovation/Documents/White%20Papers/multsubs.pdf
I only have one sub because I don't have a large LP, my room is almost acoustically perfect, and my sub will reach reference with only 10 watts eek.gif
Otherwise I'd have at least two.

very nice read, thank you. exactly my point that having 7 subs is stupid idea and proves to be worse then having 2 or 4. 2 subs is the best one can do. putting 1 in the middle of the front wall and 1 in the back in the middle. i had find this allready without complex calcs and other reads, just by ear. it proves i was right putting my sub in the middle of my front wall (and 1 in the back) and im glad i didn't listen to ppl that told me i should put it in the corner. one could have 4 in each middle of wall, but it would make more of a difference in ones wallet then in sound. glad we can settle with this now and won't need to spend a fortune on many subs as it is ridiculous.

post #30547 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jengstrom View Post

I posted here a couple days ago about whether or not an RF52-II system would be good for a 30' x 20' room.  Ya'll set me straight and told me that the 52 wasn't enough speaker for a room that big.  Then Mongo was the first to suggest I give Mike Garrett a call and see what he could do as far as a system to meet my $2000 budget for a system and receiver.

Well, I called Mike and within a couple days will be placing an order for 2 X RF-82 II, 1 RC-62 II, 2 X RB-61 II and an AVR-X2000.  It's a little over my budget but I'm sure it will deliver a great sound, especially when I get a PSA XV15 in a couple months (need to rebuild the funds for equipment).  My last set of speakers lasted 25 years before giving up the ghost and I'm hopeful I'll get an equally long life out of these.

Thanks again to everyone that helped this newbie.

Very nice!!! You will love it one you get it all dialed in... Now that I have the RF 62's in my house I am wishing I had ordered the 82's. However, as I started working that angle with the wife last night she says, what about these speaker you just bought? Said, I can sell em...biggrin.gif Then she says, how much larger are the 82's? Well, after I showed her height/width using my tape measure she musta reached her HiFi saturation point... Looked at me and said really? No, I don't want those monsters in my living room.

**Sigh** Lol - I am happy as hell with my setup, but will always want to upgrade... And so it begins.....

Enjoy.
post #30548 of 35215
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Set up using MY HARMONY. It is much easier than the old HARMONY REMOTE SITE.

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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post

sorry to hear a lot of people here got dents n cracks in their devices upon delivery, if they would do that here in netherlands they would've been out of work in notime and have to pay for the damage themselves.
@PWH1
My Harmony : https://setup.myharmony.com/?cl=en-US
@Robbiey60
: that is also not a bad sub, but the price is high indeed. nevertheless you get a hell of a sub for that smile.gif  

Thanks!
post #30549 of 35215
I'm in a 62 vs 82 quandry. My room isn't that big @ 16x16x8. Both speakers are rated down to the low/mid 30's, though, the 82's likely have more output at the bottom of that. I'm a 50/50 guy and listen to music in Direct w/o a sub at moderate volume usually. I've heard the midrange might be better on the 62's. The 82's are only $150 more than the 62's from my dealer.

I've asked this on the Klipsch forum already, but thought I'd gather some more opinions here. So... Which would you argue for? I'd like to order later this afternoon. I'm tired of all the research and back and forth. :-)
post #30550 of 35215
The low-frequency spec is virtually the same, 33 Hz vs. 35 Hz, probably more a function of the cabinet. However, the dual 8" woofers in the 82's provide roughly 50% more area than the dual 6.5" in the 62's. There are many other parameters, but if the other driver parameters are similar I would expect a hair more sound for less power but more importantly less distortion in the bass. I would not expect much difference in the midrange, 8" is still fairly small and the crossover is almost identical. I would get the 82's. Besides, most folk upgrade everything else long before speakers, and you probably won't be in that room forever.

BTW, 16' x 16' x 8' is terrible for room modes...

All IMO - Don
post #30551 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

I'm in a 62 vs 82 quandry. My room isn't that big @ 16x16x8. Both speakers are rated down to the low/mid 30's, though, the 82's likely have more output at the bottom of that. I'm a 50/50 guy and listen to music in Direct w/o a sub at moderate volume usually. I've heard the midrange might be better on the 62's. The 82's are only $150 more than the 62's from my dealer.

I've asked this on the Klipsch forum already, but thought I'd gather some more opinions here. So... Which would you argue for? I'd like to order later this afternoon. I'm tired of all the research and back and forth. :-)

I have not technical reasons, or first hand experience but I will give you my opinion. I think I suffer from un-diagnosed OCD and probably other 3 letter diagnosis so I think it would bother me if I knew that I could get the bigger/better option for only $150 more and I didn't. I don't know your housing situation but what if you where to move to a bigger home later on, the 82's would be better off then. I think with the different settings on your receiver you could make the 82's sounds as good as the 62's on the midrange. Plus those 82's look awesome! Go big or go.... Just my opinion.
post #30552 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

I'm in a 62 vs 82 quandry. My room isn't that big @ 16x16x8. Both speakers are rated down to the low/mid 30's, though, the 82's likely have more output at the bottom of that. I'm a 50/50 guy and listen to music in Direct w/o a sub at moderate volume usually. I've heard the midrange might be better on the 62's. The 82's are only $150 more than the 62's from my dealer.

I've asked this on the Klipsch forum already, but thought I'd gather some more opinions here. So... Which would you argue for? I'd like to order later this afternoon. I'm tired of all the research and back and forth. :-)
Well I pondered that same question awhile back but decided on the 62's because I also heard the mids were better. My room is 19x12 so also pretty small. If I had a medium to large room then I would've went 82's but in a small room I really dont think your gonna notice much of a difference. I'm very happy with the 62's as they sound awesome for music. Just run a housecurve on eq and turn Audyssey and dynamic eq off when listening to two channel music. They sound fantastic at ear bleeding levels. Is it worth the extra 150 for 8inch drivers? Well thats up to you and that extra 150 can go somewhere else in your system. The tweeters and horn size are identical in the 62's and 82's so if you have a capable sub it wont matter IMO.
Edited by cchunter - 1/10/14 at 11:47am
post #30553 of 35215
My post was on the premise that he did not use the sub as he stated. I left out my opinion as to whether that was a good idea or not... smile.gif
post #30554 of 35215

First off, thanks to everyone for their comments and congrats on my soon to be new HT system.

 

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Originally Posted by PWH1 View Post


Very nice!!! You will love it one you get it all dialed in... Now that I have the RF 62's in my house I am wishing I had ordered the 82's. However, as I started working that angle with the wife last night she says, what about these speaker you just bought? Said, I can sell em...biggrin.gif Then she says, how much larger are the 82's? Well, after I showed her height/width using my tape measure she musta reached her HiFi saturation point... Looked at me and said really? No, I don't want those monsters in my living room.

**Sigh** Lol - I am happy as hell with my setup, but will always want to upgrade... And so it begins.....

Enjoy.

 

So here's the $1M question…apart from running the Audyssey on the receiver how does one go about dialing in the speakers?

post #30555 of 35215
Placement matters, even with Audyssey. Measure (with a tape rule) to get them placed as symmetrical as possible and equidistant from the listening position, then move them a little at a time in any direction, try adjusting toe-in, etc. The less room treatment you have, the more critical placement and toe-in will be.

HTH - Don

p.s. I'll PM you the bank to deposit the $1M. biggrin.gif
post #30556 of 35215
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

BTW, 16' x 16' x 8' is terrible for room modes...

Oh, well then hey.. guess I better get a demo crew in here and order some lumber and sheetrock. biggrin.gif

The room is the room. That's not changing unless we change addresses. wink.gif
post #30557 of 35215
Understood, and figured that was the case, but for future reference. However, if you placed a deep bookshelf across the back wall it would help reduce one of the modes.

I had my new basement media room all laid out with prime dimensions, then we enlarged a little office into a bedroom for my son, and now I have a similarly-ugly media room. Sigh.
post #30558 of 35215
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

My post was on the premise that he did not use the sub as he stated. I left out my opinion as to whether that was a good idea or not... smile.gif

I use a sub with movies, of course. But I prefer a full-range speaker by itself for music.
post #30559 of 35215
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

Understood, and figured that was the case, but for future reference. However, if you placed a deep bookshelf across the back wall it would help reduce one of the modes.

I actually have several shelving units along the back wall. And a curtain. The room is pretty dead.
post #30560 of 35215
If you prefer speakers by themselves for music then by all means get the 82s. I say this however without actually ever hearing 82s. I have 62s all across the front and my Sade concert blu ray sounds really good. without a sub I'm sure some of the deep tones would lose impact. But then again I don't know what an 8" woofer is gonna sound like compared to 6.5s with a real quality 12" woofer right next to it.
post #30561 of 35215
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

Placement matters, even with Audyssey. Measure (with a tape rule) to get them placed as symmetrical as possible and equidistant from the listening position, then move them a little at a time in any direction, try adjusting toe-in, etc. The less room treatment you have, the more critical placement and toe-in will be.

HTH - Don

p.s. I'll PM you the bank to deposit the $1M. biggrin.gif

 

Thanks - makes sense.  Due to the placement of the pool table there's a limited amount of symmetry I can accomplish with the speaker placement, but it is what it is.  I'll work on getting it as symmetrical as possible and, like you said, use a tape measure to setup the listening position.  Also, small movements followed by testing.  Any commonly agreed on parts of a movie soundtrack or test tones to use for setting up the speakers?

 

And be sure and PM me that bank account.  I'll get right on it. :P

post #30562 of 35215
REW and a an inexpensive mic will make things much more precise. If not that, pink noise from a test source or downloaded. Listen to it with headphones, then speakers, go back and forth. You can also use music you know well. I prefer to use a variety of material, including a good drum recording, female voice, small jazz group, and orchestra. When you get the placement right the sound space will open up and imaging will stay stable and true to the recording.
post #30563 of 35215
Klipsch RW-12D placement question. I know its a subwoofer question and it should probably be in the Subwoofer forum but I thought I would start here since its a Klipsch sub and some of you might have had experiences with them. So here it is. I had 1 placed on the left side of the listening position. Got 1 more and looked around did some research and sub crawling and found that the single one sound best when it was right in front of me about 8-9 feet away. So I figured 2 of them right in front about 8-9 feet would be insane, in a good way. Built my tv cabinet/base around the subs. It looks really nice, but it doesn't sound as good as I thought it would, or does it and my amateur ears are just not hearing it correctly? I was hoping for chest pounding sound, and although it does sound really clean and there is no rattles, it just doesn't sound as good as I thought.

I looked at some pics and read a few items where it showed the subs right in front of the listening position, kind of like at the movie theaters. I am a complete amateur at this and went with what I read and saw pics of. I received a couple of comments from someone I regard as knowledge in this field, on these forums and his opinion is that my problem is that the subs are enclosed on 3 sides. I am not questioning him but I just don't understand it since these are front firing and the port is in the front. Is is a resonance problem? I know subs are not necessarily directional but when I crawled on the sides of these subs when they were a the other position I didn't really hear much from the sides. I can rebuild the cabinet, its not that hard just need some opinions. Could it be my settings on the receiver or Sub. Here are the settings. Sub volume is -10, Set to Punch, Crossover is off on the sub and set to 80hz on the receiver. The receiver was tuned using YPAO and front speakers are set to small. Picture is of the level settins for the sub and speakers. Thanks in advance for any help.


post #30564 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

I'm in a 62 vs 82 quandry. My room isn't that big @ 16x16x8. Both speakers are rated down to the low/mid 30's, though, the 82's likely have more output at the bottom of that. I'm a 50/50 guy and listen to music in Direct w/o a sub at moderate volume usually. I've heard the midrange might be better on the 62's. The 82's are only $150 more than the 62's from my dealer.

I've asked this on the Klipsch forum already, but thought I'd gather some more opinions here. So... Which would you argue for? I'd like to order later this afternoon. I'm tired of all the research and back and forth. :-)
Il give my biased opinion again... go the 82iis. I have them and have never thought what if I got smaller speakers.. if I had the 62iis I know I would be thinking what if I got the bigger ones!! Fwiw I have no issue with my midrange perfomance. Also 62iis were never even considered.
post #30565 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

I use a sub with movies, of course. But I prefer a full-range speaker by itself for music.
My 82iis on nad amp are absolutely killer on their own without sub. The 4 8" woofers hit very hard. A lot harder than my rc64ii on a more powerfull amp (150w×2 on the 82, 300w×1on the 64). Just an idea of smaller vs larger irrespective of power
post #30566 of 35215
I went for years thinking I did not need nor want a sub for music. Then I built one and discovered how much it helped. YMMV - Don
post #30567 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jengstrom View Post

I posted here a couple days ago about whether or not an RF52-II system would be good for a 30' x 20' room. Ya'll set me straight and told me that the 52 wasn't enough speaker for a room that big. Then Mongo was the first to suggest I give Mike Garrett a call and see what he could do as far as a system to meet my $2000 budget for a system and receiver.

Well, I called Mike and within a couple days will be placing an order for 2 X RF-82 II, 1 RC-62 II, 2 X RB-61 II and an AVR-X2000. It's a little over my budget but I'm sure it will deliver a great sound, especially when I get a PSA XV15 in a couple months (need to rebuild the funds for equipment). My last set of speakers lasted 25 years before giving up the ghost and I'm hopeful I'll get an equally long life out of these.

Thanks again to everyone that helped this newbie.

My planned theater room is a similar size, so this is useful to know.

I am toying with a full blown 11.x setup, using an IB subwoofer. I may get there in increments, starting with 7.1. My challenge is that my rears need to be mounted in a soffit. Behind the last row of seats, there is a 7' space across the 19' width of the theater room. There would be a bar behind those seats with a soffit above, where the PJ would be mounted. It's in here that I'd like the rear speakers to be mounted.

What are people's thoughts on suitable rear speakers to go with a 2 x RF-82 II, 1 RC-62 II, 2 x RB-61 II setup? I'm not sure how to size the rears relative to the side surround - should I go with a smaller side surround along with Klipsch R-5650-W II In-Wall Speaker, for example?

Thanks

Anthony
Edited by aroby - 1/10/14 at 6:53pm
post #30568 of 35215
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

I went for years thinking I did not need nor want a sub for music. Then I built one and discovered how much it helped. YMMV - Don
Agreed. My 82s on amp is killer. With my subs on its devastating
post #30569 of 35215
I've just always preferred speakers on their own for music as long as they're capable of playing relatively low without distortion. Then again, I'm not a bass head with the tunes and I don't generally listen very loud.

Movies, on the other hand.. :-)
post #30570 of 35215
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

I've just always preferred speakers on their own for music as long as they're capable of playing relatively low without distortion. Then again, I'm not a bass head with the tunes and I don't generally listen very loud.

Movies, on the other hand.. :-)

the 82II is most capable of doing that. i listen to direct stereo and 5.1 music enhancer and both do very well without sub turned on. distortion will start comming in when ur ears start to beeb lol

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