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post #31981 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Teremei View Post

I like ambiance, don't get me wrong. That's why I am upgrading from T15s to some reference bookshelfs for surround. Now the question is, am I gonna hear $150 worth of room filling ambience by going with the 62s over the 52s. I have been doing measurements and boy are the 62s quite a bit bigger than the 52s. I wonder, can I stack the 62 on my RW12d subwoofer? Because I don't think I have room behind the couch unless I do that.

Is the horn bigger on the 62? Because both it and the 52 say Enhanced 1" titanium horn-loaded tweeter. But I guess that's just the tiny middle part. But the horn itself is a bit wider on the 62? That combined with the larger woofer I can see how it could be more, "room filling". Is that an accurate feeling?
Yes that's accurate. You could put the 61 on the sub. Make sure it's not too low though.
post #31982 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

I use towers as surrounds. Overkill.. no. Amazing.. yes.
+1 i agree cool.gif
post #31983 of 35202
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Originally Posted by retro124 View Post

WOW nice, those are huge!!! I want to ask you I do have like you same A/V receiver and speakers so what is profit to add  Outlaw Model 7125 it is also 7x125W. Thanks

The Klipsch are very efficient and powered by most avr's easily. What I found id, cranked during heavy actions scenes, that the amp seemed to add some clarity and distinction to what was going on. Some will argue this, but IMHO, it improved the sound.
post #31984 of 35202
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

You should move both subs between the center and left and right speakers.

People love to tell me that and assume I havent tried. And you are wrong. The SQ was diminished when the fronts were moved outside the sub, which is why its setup the way it is. Its not an architectural design competition, its what sounds the best.
post #31985 of 35202
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Originally Posted by dprice18af View Post

You are a lucky guy. How much of a difference did the second VTF15H make? Those are my dream subs. On another note, those are my wife's worst nightmare.
LOL, my wife deals and she is pretty cool.

I went from a VTF2MK4 to a VTF15H and the difference was obvious. The move from one VTF15 to two was outstanding. My room is 5300+ cuft, and the bass punch is much more noticeable now, plus the bass in scenes I was familiar with just made me shake my head. I guess part of that is smoothing out the room response, but dayum.
post #31986 of 35202
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

psgcdn,

How did you like 45 degree angle toe-in?
I am not exactly sure what you are referring to, but the first time that I experienced true imaging in my life, with speakers disappearing from the room and pin-pointing to individual instruments, was when I spaced out my La Scala to 18 feet and toed them in at 45 degrees to see what Klipschorns would sound like. My jaw hit the room. I was also upset that I had had La Scala for 15 years by them and had wasted all that time, never hearing what they were capable of!
post #31987 of 35202
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

The Klipsch are very efficient and powered by most avr's easily. What I found id, cranked during heavy actions scenes, that the amp seemed to add some clarity and distinction to what was going on. Some will argue this, but IMHO, it improved the sound.

Oh ok so but it is not too much Wats for those speakers? Or output is still 125W per channel. I just dont understand how receiver is 7x125W and also extra amps 7x125W sorry for a dam question. How I can count it? So your speakers wires are running to outlaw and then for each speakers is wirem from outlaw to Denon?
post #31988 of 35202
Most AVR's that are rated 125wpc, arent really giving that once you add multiple speakers. A denon might only give 80wpc with 5 speakers driven, where an amp will give its rated power with ALL channels driven. This outlaw does about 190wpc with 2 channels, and 140wpc with 7 speakers driven. And now, its not too much. Too much power is rare, over driving or distortion will kill the speaker.
post #31989 of 35202
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

People love to tell me that and assume I havent tried. And you are wrong. The SQ was diminished when the fronts were moved outside the sub, which is why its setup the way it is. Its not an architectural design competition, its what sounds the best.
Sorry didn't mean to bother you. As you were.
post #31990 of 35202
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Most AVR's that are rated 125wpc, arent really giving that once you add multiple speakers. A denon might only give 80wpc with 5 speakers driven, where an amp will give its rated power with ALL channels driven. This outlaw does about 190wpc with 2 channels, and 140wpc with 7 speakers driven. And now, its not too much. Too much power is rare, over driving or distortion will kill the speaker.

I'm just woory about to not demage speakers so thanks for explaining. I love your new subs they are amazing I mesure my room today and I will go with SVS cylinders because will just fit better and they still got amazing reviews.
post #31991 of 35202
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

LOL, my wife deals and she is pretty cool.

I went from a VTF2MK4 to a VTF15H and the difference was obvious. The move from one VTF15 to two was outstanding. My room is 5300+ cuft, and the bass punch is much more noticeable now, plus the bass in scenes I was familiar with just made me shake my head. I guess part of that is smoothing out the room response, but dayum.
What did you do with your VTF2?
post #31992 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

I use towers as surrounds. Overkill.. no. Amazing.. yes.

Some people have called RB61s like small towers. This post makes me lean toward them. Could you tell me more about why you like towers for surrounds? Keep in mind I am sitting like 1 foot away from my rear left channel but 6 feet away from my rear right.
post #31993 of 35202
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

People love to tell me that and assume I havent tried. And you are wrong. The SQ was diminished when the fronts were moved outside the sub, which is why its setup the way it is. Its not an architectural design competition, its what sounds the best.
well said
post #31994 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Teremei View Post

Some people have called RB61s like small towers. This post makes me lean toward them. Could you tell me more about why you like towers for surrounds? Keep in mind I am sitting like 1 foot away from my rear left channel but 6 feet away from my rear right.
first no small speaker will ever sound like a tower. I used to have tiny sony surrounds and effects through them were horrible. I moved to sony towers all around and the improvement was amazing. Since then I have used towers as surrounds. My F30s on an amp match the output from my mains and I can feel surround effects as well as hear them. Whatever advantages you gain from increasing main speaker size from bookshelf to tower you will also gain in surrounds. Not for everyone but I will not run small surrounds again.
post #31995 of 35202
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

psgcdn,

How did you like 45 degree angle toe-in?
I am not exactly sure what you are referring to, but the first time that I experienced true imaging in my life, with speakers disappearing from the room and pin-pointing to individual instruments, was when I spaced out my La Scala to 18 feet and toed them in at 45 degrees to see what Klipschorns would sound like. My jaw hit the room. I was also upset that I had had La Scala for 15 years by them and had wasted all that time, never hearing what they were capable of!

That's it! Thank you. Can't spread mine out enough, but the 45 degree angle is magic, as compared to aiming them at the MLP.
post #31996 of 35202
This talk of surrounds has me thinking now.
I was set on some rs, but now considering rb.
I have towers as surrounds now and not sure how I like them. Their presence is indeed known, but overwhelming for my setup as my sofa is on the back wall and these maybe 4 ft to each side.
Maybe if raised they would be better

I just hate dealing with stands and that is an added expense and annoyance with bookshelves if I get them
post #31997 of 35202
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Originally Posted by PM-Performance View Post

This talk of surrounds has me thinking now.
I was set on some rs, but now considering rb.
I have towers as surrounds now and not sure how I like them. Their presence is indeed known, but overwhelming for my setup as my sofa is on the back wall and these maybe 4 ft to each side.
Maybe if raised they would be better

I just hate dealing with stands and that is an added expense and annoyance with bookshelves if I get them

Fwiw, I sit within 4 to 5 ft of my side surround RF-3 towers and I have them on 11" foot stools with granite floor tiles surrounding them to make it look nicer. My front RF-7 towers are on a 3" riser because of an obstacle up front....Now my side surrounds horn is slightly above ear level and the same height as my RF-7s. This works great for me.
post #31998 of 35202
They don't over power your fronts? I dialed mine down a lot and they seem to take away too much from the fronts
post #31999 of 35202
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Originally Posted by PM-Performance View Post

They don't over power your fronts? I dialed mine down a lot and they seem to take away too much from the fronts

No. They blend extremely well with them and the subwoofers. It truly is a seamless Home Theater and after running audyssey (or any other EQ program) all of the speakers being discussed should work together after being level-matched.
post #32000 of 35202
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

That's it! Thank you. Can't spread mine out enough, but the 45 degree angle is magic, as compared to aiming them at the MLP.

Gotcha. After that, I never experimented to see when imaging was lost. So yeah, aiming them is required but not sufficient. They need to be spread out and toed-in quite a bit.
post #32001 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Teremei View Post

Some people have called RB61s like small towers. This post makes me lean toward them. Could you tell me more about why you like towers for surrounds? Keep in mind I am sitting like 1 foot away from my rear left channel but 6 feet away from my rear right.

Fwiw, the RB-61s aren't small towers...That said, 1 foot away from one of your side surrounds makes me think they wouldn't work and you may be better off with the RS line of speakers.
post #32002 of 35202
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Originally Posted by daschet View Post

Oh I guess I should of explained better that setup worked great in that room in that house. I sat 20 ft from them sounded wonderful. i normally had them tilted a slight amount towards my seating position. that was a very early picture when i had just set them up. I also ended up facing the suds towards the back wall. I now have bought a house and am finishing off a room in the attic for my junk. Problem is the ceiling is going to be angled so I don't have room for my subs and center channel. I may build all new stuff and sell this stuff. I will have huge amounts of room behind the screen so I may build some horn subs.

Wow, very nice stuff to sell! If they are going behind the screen, flip then vertically?

Having said that, horn subs do integrate seamlessly with La Scala.
post #32003 of 35202
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

The Klipsch are very efficient and powered by most avr's easily. What I found id, cranked during heavy actions scenes, that the amp seemed to add some clarity and distinction to what was going on. Some will argue this, but IMHO, it improved the sound.
My proof that external amps are better is this: play some bass heavy music (my choice is any dubstep, datsik for example) powered from your receiver with a bit of eq in the bass (I run +6 for bass with tone control, audessey and eq set to off on my onkyo for music only) and turn your sub and xover off and full respectively. Crank the volume. I can go to around +2 but it starts to distort and the woofers arent moving that much(but it is psycho loud). Now try the same song with the same settings through an external amp. On my RF82iis and F30s going from the 90wpc onkyo to a 150wpc NAD really wakes them up. +6 is achievable before any distortion is audible, the woofers are really moving and the 2 speakers now rival many budget subs. They now shake the whole house and are psycho loud. To me that is a clear difference, and now I run my towers full range and subs lfe only.
post #32004 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

My proof that external amps are better is this: play some bass heavy music (my choice is any dubstep, datsik for example) powered from your receiver with a bit of eq in the bass (I run +6 for bass with tone control, audessey and eq set to off on my onkyo for music only) and turn your sub and xover off and full respectively. Crank the volume. I can go to around +2 but it starts to distort and the woofers arent moving that much(but it is psycho loud). Now try the same song with the same settings through an external amp. On my RF82iis and F30s going from the 90wpc onkyo to a 150wpc NAD really wakes them up. +6 is achievable before any distortion is audible, the woofers are really moving and the 2 speakers now rival many budget subs. They now shake the whole house and are psycho loud. To me that is a clear difference, and now I run my towers full range and subs lfe only.

If you don't have capable subs that may be a way to go, but I still would upgrade the subwooferage situation before purchasing an amp if you REALLY want killer bass.
post #32005 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

If you don't have capable subs that may be a way to go, but I still would upgrade the subwooferage situation before purchasing an amp if you REALLY want killer bass.
Yes, I am not disputing the fact that good subs will be better, just illustrating the actual difference from receiver to external amp as many seem to say there is no gain to be had. There is an audible difference, whether or not it warrants the purchase of an amp is up to the individual. I personally like to have both. Good speakers down to 35 or so hz, and subs for the rest.
post #32006 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

Yes, I am not disputing the fact that good subs will be better, just illustrating the actual difference from receiver to external amp as many seem to say there is no gain to be had. There is an audible difference, whether or not it warrants the purchase of an amp is up to the individual. I personally like to have both. Good speakers down to 35 or so hz, and subs for the rest.

My point is that after you have enough power/current to drive your speakers then anything above that isn't going to be used. If you run your speakers as small and provide a crossover to a sub, the lower end will hit harder and more efficiently than running your speakers as large AND you may not benefit from an external amp...
post #32007 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

My point is that after you have enough power/current to drive your speakers then anything above that isn't going to be used. If you run your speakers as small and provide a crossover to a sub, the lower end will hit harder and more efficiently than running your speakers as large AND you may not benefit from an external amp...
We'll said.
post #32008 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

My point is that after you have enough power/current to drive your speakers then anything above that isn't going to be used. If you run your speakers as small and provide a crossover to a sub, the lower end will hit harder and more efficiently than running your speakers as large AND you may not benefit from an external amp...
that is only true if you have tiny &/or smaller woofers
post #32009 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

My point is that after you have enough power/current to drive your speakers then anything above that isn't going to be used. If you run your speakers as small and provide a crossover to a sub, the lower end will hit harder and more efficiently than running your speakers as large AND you may not benefit from an external amp...
am sure I said I like to have both. I like to maximise all components in my system.
post #32010 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Tasdom View Post

Must be something in the water.......

KLF30's http://kansascity.craigslist.org/ele/4317946717.html

Nice looking and decent price for the 30's. I really like the 30's and the 20's with a good sub.
Edited by Louis Bartay - 2/9/14 at 8:29pm
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