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post #32011 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

that is only true if you have tiny &/or smaller woofers


I don't understand..LaScala and Cornwall speakers have large woofers and they are easy to drive....Ask Paul Klipsch.
post #32012 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

am sure I said I like to have both. I like to maximise all components in my system.

If you have capable subs then the chances of an external amp maximizing your system diminishes as room size decreases.
post #32013 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

If you have capable subs then the chances of an external amp maximizing your system diminishes as room size decreases.
my subs are quite capable thankyou, and partnered with 8×8" woofers on external amps to me sound a lot better than just my subs.
Edited by Robbiey60 - 2/9/14 at 6:38pm
post #32014 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I don't understand..LaScala and Cornwall speakers have large woofers and they are easy to drive....Ask Paul Klipsch.
I dont have cornwall or lascala
post #32015 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

I dont have cornwall or lascala
and my 8" woofers are apparently easy to drive. My NAD drives them better. What are we arguing here
post #32016 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

I dont have cornwall or lascala

This wasn't directed at you--go back and look at the post.
(Edit: Fastslappy has something called a "Cornscala., that isn't made by Klipsch.}
Edited by Zen Traveler - 2/9/14 at 6:30pm
post #32017 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

This wasn't directed at you--go back and look at the post.
(Edit: Fastslappy has something called a "Cornscala., that isn't made by Klipsch.}
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

This wasn't directed at you--go back and look at the post.
(Edit: Fastslappy has something called a "Cornscala., that isn't made by Klipsch.}
the easy to drive/efficicency quote comes up quite a lot. My so called efficient klipsch speakers run better and hit harder on an amp. I am interested to hear from any heritage owners re: bass reproduction from receiver vs power amp disregarding any subs or xovers. If there is no difference, my statement still stands for at least my reference and synergy line.
post #32018 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post


the easy to drive/efficicency quote comes up quite a lot. My so called efficient klipsch speakers run better and hit harder on an amp. I am interested to hear from any heritage owners re: bass reproduction from receiver vs power amp disregarding any subs or xovers. If there is no difference, my statement still stands for at least my reference and synergy line.

You are new here and I suggest using the search function.
post #32019 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

You are new here and I suggest using the search function.
point me in a direction because I have spent hours searching, and excuse my ignorance but I have not read anywhere yet about any heritage playing dubstep without subs on external amplification
post #32020 of 35255
No. I refuse to do your homework for you.---My last comment unless you pull up a specific quote from me on your searches.
post #32021 of 35255
Klipsch are very efficient but in my experience with many Klipsch speakers (mostly Reference & Heritage Series), all benefit from using an external amp. It's not total night and day difference but to my ears, there is a very noticeable difference. Better bass response (especially at lower volumes), better separation of musical instruments, and when driven really hard with a receiver, they often begin to sound harsh whereas with a dedicated amp (say 200 watts/ch), they scream "Is that all you've got?".
post #32022 of 35255
FWIW, I've owned RF-83's, RF-7ii, RF-7, RF-5, KLF-30, CF-2, Forte II, Chorus II and a host of other Klipsch speakers and my findings with each of them were the same as my statement above. Is an amp necessary....absolutely not. Will a system benefit from a separate "quality" amp, absolutely.
post #32023 of 35255
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

Klipsch are very efficient but in my experience with many Klipsch speakers (mostly Reference & Heritage Series), all benefit from using an external amp. It's not total night and day difference but to my ears, there is a very noticeable difference. Better bass response (especially at lower volumes), better separation of musical instruments, and when driven really hard with a receiver, they often begin to sound harsh whereas with a dedicated amp (say 200 watts/ch), they scream "Is that all you've got?".

I've followed your journey and have responded accordingly here and on the Klipsch website. You have some really nice gear but it doesn't mean that you necessarily, benefited from an amp as much as enjoyed purchasing one....Nothing wrong with that.
post #32024 of 35255
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

FWIW, I've owned RF-83's, RF-7ii, RF-7, RF-5, KLF-30, CF-2, Forte II, Chorus II and a host of other Klipsch speakers and my findings with each of them were the same as my statement above. Is an amp necessary....absolutely not. Will a system benefit from a separate "quality" amp, absolutely.

I noticed none of the above are Heritage speakers and if what you say is true, then in the age of subwoofers what Paul Klipsch stood for no longer rings true (imo)...
post #32025 of 35255
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

Klipsch are very efficient but in my experience with many Klipsch speakers (mostly Reference & Heritage Series), all benefit from using an external amp. It's not total night and day difference but to my ears, there is a very noticeable difference. Better bass response (especially at lower volumes), better separation of musical instruments, and when driven really hard with a receiver, they often begin to sound harsh whereas with a dedicated amp (say 200 watts/ch), they scream "Is that all you've got?".
Thankyou youthman. Much appreciated. I've said this before but if I could 1 get hold of and 2 afford high end reference or heritage, I could answer my own questions.
post #32026 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

Thankyou youthman. Much appreciated. I've said this before but if I could 1 get hold of and 2 afford high end reference or heritage, I could answer my own questions.

That is two opinions on the interent and if you really want to learn about Klipsch speakers learn about their History and what Paul Klipsch said about these speakers....
post #32027 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I've followed your journey and have responded accordingly here and on the Klipsch website. You have some really nice gear but it doesn't mean that you necessarily, benefited from an amp as much as enjoyed purchasing one....Nothing wrong with that.
Not sure I'm following you. I don't use amps simply for the joy of buying them. I use them because they have made a sonic difference in my setup.

The last amp I purchased was an Acurus A200 for my RF-7ii 2ch setup. I had been using an HK 3490 which is 120 x 2. It sounded good but driven at very high volume, the RF-7ii began to sound harsh. Adding the amp, they remain crystal clear even at high volume. They too have more bottom end by adding the amp as well as better separation.
post #32028 of 35255
I am not arguing with the difference you feel they made in your system...I am saying that not everyone would appreciate what you feel the differences are.
post #32029 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I noticed none of the above are Heritage speakers and if what you say is true, then in the age of subwoofers what Paul Klipsch stood for no longer rings true (imo)...
That is true....technically the Chorus II are not "heritage". I have not had any testing with La Scalla, Khorns, Cornwalls or Heresy.
post #32030 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

No. I refuse to do your homework for you.---My last comment unless you pull up a specific quote from me on your searches.
sorry for asking a question that I would really like to know the answer to. Like I said, countless hours searching...
post #32031 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I am not arguing with the difference you feel they made in your system...I am saying that not everyone would appreciate what you feel the differences are.
Gotcha. Thx for clarifying what you were trying to convey.
post #32032 of 35255
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

That is true....technically the Chorus II are not "heritage". I have not had any testing with La Scalla, Khorns, Cornwalls or Heresy.

Paul Klipsch made it a point that those other speakers that he has the patents and designed don't require a lot of power to drive. {Note: that IS the part of History that he is most remembered for.}
post #32033 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post


...My so called efficient klipsch speakers run better and hit harder on an amp....

My last point of the evening and maybe of the week--A quality subwoofer or multiple subs will hit those low notes harder than your speakers because that is what they are designed to do. They also have an independent power supply so that takes some of the load off of your AVR (or amp to hit those other notes cleaner and with more SPL to keep up with your subs. Fwiw, I watch/listen to movies at Reference level and Music quite loud.
post #32034 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

My last point of the evening and maybe of the week--A quality subwoofer or multiple subs will hit those low notes harder than your speakers because that is what they are designed to do. They also have an independent power supply so that takes some of the load off of your AVR (or amp to hit those other notes cleaner and with more SPL to keep up with your subs. Fwiw, I watch/listen to movies at Reference level and Music quite loud.
I would agree with that statement, especially if you are running dual subs.
post #32035 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

that is only true if you have tiny &/or smaller woofers
?

How do you figure that?
post #32036 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post


the easy to drive/efficicency quote comes up quite a lot. My so called efficient klipsch speakers run better and hit harder on an amp. I am interested to hear from any heritage owners re: bass reproduction from receiver vs power amp disregarding any subs or xovers. If there is no difference, my statement still stands for at least my reference and synergy line.

I own Klipschorns and have driven them with HK AVRs and various external amps. Still using one now. But I can't hear a difference except for noise floor. Certainly not in low level bass. Something like that would be trivial to measure and I don't think anyone ever has. i.e. speakers don't suddenly change their frequency response at low level when driven by an AVR capable of driving them. You need an AVR or amp capable of handling the speaker's impedance swings. The Klipschorn has a fairly easy curve, so different amp don't affect it much.
post #32037 of 35255
Ok. So I like the midbass punch and slam from my towers, and the depth and feel from my subs. Is this wrong or something. You guys are acting like iv broken some rule. Im not sure how old you guys are, I am 30 and have always liked hard hitting bass, in movies and music. You guys have said time and time again how subs hit harder. I am not disputing that. The combination of bass down to 36hz from my towers mixed with everything else from my subs to me sounds great. And yes I play around with the xovers and use double bass when necessary for 2 ch music but movies I run full range and lfe only to subs.
post #32038 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

My last point of the evening and maybe of the week--A quality subwoofer or multiple subs will hit those low notes harder than your speakers because that is what they are designed to do. They also have an independent power supply so that takes some of the load off of your AVR (or amp to hit those other notes cleaner and with more SPL to keep up with your subs. Fwiw, I watch/listen to movies at Reference level and Music quite loud.

Agreed
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

I would agree with that statement, especially if you are running dual subs.

Double agreed!
post #32039 of 35255
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

I own Klipschorns and have driven them with HK AVRs and various external amps. Still using one now. But I can't hear a difference except for noise floor. Certainly not in low level bass. Something like that would be trivial to measure and I don't think anyone ever has. i.e. speakers don't suddenly change their frequency response at low level when driven by an AVR capable of driving them. You need an AVR or amp capable of handling the speaker's impedance swings. The Klipschorn has a fairly easy curve, so different amp don't affect it much.
Thankyou for the info. Much appreciated. You noted minimal change in low level bass. What about reference level heavy bass tracks? Any discernible difference? Without subs involved
post #32040 of 35255
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Originally Posted by Robbiey60 View Post

Thankyou for the info. Much appreciated. You noted minimal change in low level bass. What about reference level heavy bass tracks? Any discernible difference? Without subs involved
ie something like swagga by datsik. I know it may not be your guys cup of tea, but thats the kind of music I notice a massive difference with my speakers from onkyo to NAD
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