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post #3301 of 22395
6/21/08 at 8:25pm
WOW!!! I just got my new Klipsch system set up, and I couldn't be happier. I went with:

RF 83 fronts
RC 64 center
RS 62 surrounds
RT 12d sub

The system is simply amazing. I am so glad to call myself a Klipsch owner. I am driving the system with an Onkyo 805, but I have an Emotiva XPA 2 on pre-order to drive the RF 83s. 250 watts per channel should make those fronts sweet with blu-rays. I would not have pulled the trigger on this system if it were not for this thread. You guys are awesome, and I have enjoyed reading all the information that the members here have contributed. THANK YOU.

I am going to go watch I Robot now...REALLY LOUD
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post #3302 of 22395
6/21/08 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by orange5814 View Post

WOW!!! I just got my new Klipsch system set up, and I couldn't be happier. I went with:

RF 83 fronts
RC 64 center
RS 62 surrounds
RT 12d sub

The system is simply amazing. I am so glad to call myself a Klipsch owner. I am driving the system with an Onkyo 805, but I have an Emotiva XPA 2 on pre-order to drive the RF 83s. 250 watts per channel should make those fronts sweet with blu-rays. I would not have pulled the trigger on this system if it were not for this thread. You guys are awesome, and I have enjoyed reading all the information that the members here have contributed. THANK YOU.

I am going to go watch I Robot now...REALLY LOUD


thats nice - i want the 83 also - but space is very limited to me and i have to settle on the 82's -- didnt get them yet - within the next month or two -

what AVR are you using now ? and let me know how that Amp you got on pre order workes out --

i was just looking at that site and that amp - thinking the same thing - using it for the fronts but i would have the 82's

just cant make the 83's fit - i wont have no space behind them and the wall - with the 82's - i should have about 8 inches max - from the wall -

its a nice feeling to listen to Klipsch speakers -
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post #3303 of 22395
6/22/08 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by expresso712 View Post

thats nice - i want the 83 also - but space is very limited to me and i have to settle on the 82's -- didnt get them yet - within the next month or two -

what AVR are you using now ? and let me know how that Amp you got on pre order workes out --

i was just looking at that site and that amp - thinking the same thing - using it for the fronts but i would have the 82's

just cant make the 83's fit - i wont have no space behind them and the wall - with the 82's - i should have about 8 inches max - from the wall -

its a nice feeling to listen to Klipsch speakers -

If you can swing it, try to get the 63s if you can't do the 83s. Both the 63 and 83 series have a 1.25 inch tweeter loaded into the horn. My opinion is that it is far smoother, and a little more forward than the 1 inch tweeter in the 62 and 82 series. Just my .02 cents.

I am running everything off of an Onkyo 805 AVR right now. The speakers sound great, but I am really looking forward to getting that Emotiva XPA 2 to drive the fronts. I do a decent amount of 2 channel listening, and I believe the extra headroom in the amp should really open things up.
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post #3304 of 22395
6/22/08 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by expresso712 View Post

how are those 82's - do they give a decent kick - low end ?

have you tried playing just the fronts - the 82's in direct mode - also how far do you have them from the wall ?

thanks -

The bass from the 82's is very good. I was running them full range in 2 channel direct mode & pure audio for cd/vinyl listening. Mine are very far (too far) from the back wall. Probably around 4 ft. I have no other choice due to room layout so I have to work around it.

If you can't swing the 83 or 63, don't hesitate to get the 82's. They get extremely loud and sound very clear. Check out this thread and what the professor has to say about the 82's:

http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/97917.aspx


If $$$ allowed I would have snagged the 83's, but the 82's are doing me just fine. Good luck!
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post #3305 of 22395
6/22/08 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by orange5814 View Post

If you can swing it, try to get the 63s if you can't do the 83s. Both the 63 and 83 series have a 1.25 inch tweeter loaded into the horn. My opinion is that it is far smoother, and a little more forward than the 1 inch tweeter in the 62 and 82 series. Just my .02 cents.

I am running everything off of an Onkyo 805 AVR right now. The speakers sound great, but I am really looking forward to getting that Emotiva XPA 2 to drive the fronts. I do a decent amount of 2 channel listening, and I believe the extra headroom in the amp should really open things up.

i know - your right if i had the room - the 63's wont fit either because of the depth - i only have 4 feet of space between my recliners and the TV - speakers etc. - if i would to put either the 83 or 63 - they would have to stick out aleast a foot into that 4 feet of space and even then - i may have about one foot behind the speaker and the wall -

its not about the price or the size - i dont mind - its the space i have -
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post #3306 of 22395
6/22/08 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by wizzack View Post

The bass from the 82's is very good. I was running them full range in 2 channel direct mode & pure audio for cd/vinyl listening. Mine are very far (too far) from the back wall. Probably around 4 ft. I have no other choice due to room layout so I have to work around it.

If you can't swing the 83 or 63, don't hesitate to get the 82's. They get extremely loud and sound very clear. Check out this thread and what the professor has to say about the 82's:

http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/97917.aspx


If $$$ allowed I would have snagged the 83's, but the 82's are doing me just fine. Good luck!


thanks for the information - the problem is all about the depth of the 83's and 63's - that just wont work - i cant see how it could work with the small amount of depth i have to deal with - i have to either have them sticking out a foot over everything else which would look stupid and that would cut into the 4 feet of space i have between the sitting postion and TV - HT etc. - so besides not looking right - may not even sound right -- the 82's are the max i can fit - at 16 inches deep - would leave me 8 inches behind them from the wall -


so your telling me - you have your 82's 4 feet from the wall and they sound good - with the lows - bass - ??

thats great i should have no problem getting bass in my space them -- i am concerned about the low end - i like a nice full deep sound - not sloppy or boomy - but just deep

i do have a sub - but like them to hold there own without one - if i use direct mode etc. -

what AVR or amp are you pushing them with again ?

sorry i think you told me - but i been reading so much lately that i forget -- have you considered pro audio amps ?

to push the fronts ?
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post #3307 of 22395
6/22/08 at 9:00am
no sweat! I'm using the Onkyo805 130 watts. They really do get LOUD. Depending on where I am in the room for 2ch - it ranges from barely any bass to
crazy bass. Our sofa is backed up on the opposite wall and the low end sounds great there.

I have hardwood floors and the room layout is a nightmare. I am currently experimenting with different setups and sound treatments. It keeps getting better and better.

Also, check your local Best Buy for a sneaky deal. Mine has dropped the regular prices on the Reference series and will take even more $ off to get them out.

The manager wrongly said they're discontinued, but my other Klipsch dealer said BB won't be allowed to sell them anymore. PM me if you want more info on their price.
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post #3308 of 22395
6/22/08 at 9:18am
I have a chance to get a pair of RF-62's, an RC-62, and a pair of of RB-10's. Right now my front speakers are a set of Athena AS-F1.1 and the matching center AS-C1.1. My rears are some Klipsch SS 3's and my sides are some RB-51's. They system is powered by a Pioneer Elite VSX-72txv. I've got a Velodyne DPS-12 for my sub. The system is used for about 6 months and is priced at about 60% of retail. First question is this going to be a considerable upgrade? I watch 30% TV, 30% movies, and 40% video games. My room is huge with a 19' ceiling and not really built for a HT set up. Also would you pull out the SS 3's and replace them with the RB-10's? Last question is this a good deal?
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post #3309 of 22395
6/22/08 at 10:21am
Hi, I found a local ad with a guy selling a pair of Walnut Heresy's in "Like New" condition...about 1 hour from my house. The serials are 106U221 and 222, which corresponds to 1980. They look nice and shiny in the picture, but it's not a close up view. I have two 1977 Heresy's as my fronts, and I was looking for a Center. However, I may wind up buying a total of 5.

How can I find out if these 1980's have the same components as my 1977's? Mine have K77 tweeters, K55V mid, and K22 woofers. What is the year range that matches my 1977's perfectly? Finally, what would be a fair cash price to offer him if I pick these 1980's up at his house? He advertised them for $600, but that seems very high. Thanks!
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post #3310 of 22395
6/22/08 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by wizzack View Post

The manager wrongly said they're discontinued, but my other Klipsch dealer said BB won't be allowed to sell them anymore. PM me if you want more info on their price.

That is correct. I just got an e-mail from my Klipsch Rep. Only independent specialist dealers and installers will be allowed to sell Reference from now on.
They are not discontinued. They'll have Synergy only until they are replaced.
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post #3311 of 22395
6/22/08 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Soundood View Post

That is correct. I just got an e-mail from my Klipsch Rep. Only independent specialist dealers and installers will be allowed to sell Reference from now on.
They are not discontinued. They'll have Synergy only.

Are you saying that Bestbuy and Magnolia won't be carrying ANY of the Klipsch Reference Line anymore? That is pretty big news.
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post #3312 of 22395
6/22/08 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by dustman52 View Post

I have a chance to get a pair of RF-62's, an RC-62, and a pair of of RB-10's. Right now my front speakers are a set of Athena AS-F1.1 and the matching center AS-C1.1. My rears are some Klipsch SS 3's and my sides are some RB-51's. They system is powered by a Pioneer Elite VSX-72txv. I've got a Velodyne DPS-12 for my sub. The system is used for about 6 months and is priced at about 60% of retail. First question is this going to be a considerable upgrade? I watch 30% TV, 30% movies, and 40% video games. My room is huge with a 19' ceiling and not really built for a HT set up. Also would you pull out the SS 3's and replace them with the RB-10's? Last question is this a good deal?

With that sized room, I'd say it will be a considerable upgrade as your Athenas won't keep up dynamically. The only mismatch is the RB-10's which have the older series III horns in them. They are small, but whoever sold them the system should have known that. You might want to consider a set of RS-52's in the future for the best tonal match but I'd leave the SS3's in there for now. The RB-10's make great bedroom bookshelf speakers.

Price wise, I only sell them new so you'll have to determine if that seems like a fair price to you. As a dealer and designer, if you came to me and asked what I'd put in a room that volume, I'd steer you towards RF-82's and an RC-62.
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post #3313 of 22395
6/22/08 at 12:42pm
Hey Guys, New here and have a question. I have installed these speakers in my ceiling and was wandering how to keep the insulation away from them?
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post #3314 of 22395
6/22/08 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

Are you saying that Bestbuy and Magnolia won't be carrying ANY of the Klipsch Reference Line anymore? That is pretty big news.

Correct. Klipsch has redone their entire distribution line. They decided they just were not doing justice to the capability of the Reference products selling them thru mass retailers. It is one of their premier lines and they wanted to make sure it was being sold properly and living up to the potential. It will only be available to specialists. They are releasing a new entry level product for BB called Icon V with Vinyl cabinets and Cermetallic or woven fiberglass woofers and aluminum compression drivers (one big difference with Reference is the use of a more expensive Titanium compression driver). Yes, this is the replacement for Synergy which is being discontinued.
There is also the Icon W and Icon X series.

Icon X is only available thru specialty retailers. The tower version is ACTIVELY biamp powered and scary good. It reaches a true 38 hz at only 7" wide with 5" drivers. It uses a new patented 80 x 80 round titanium compression horn driver and flat nomex woofers with neodymium magnets. These are only available thru specialty dealers along with Reference, THX Ultra 2 and Heritage.

Icon W is all real wood finish, uses the same 80 x 80 titanium compression horn but is all passive and has more conventional woofer magnets. The wood finish is gorgeous. I believe Magnolia will be allowed to sell Icon W.
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post #3315 of 22395
6/22/08 at 1:13pm
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post #3316 of 22395
6/22/08 at 3:23pm
I don't think Klipsch is going to discontinue selling the current Ref. line through MHT. They just barely got listed cherry finishes for the 82s and finally started carrying the RC-62.
I'm going to email Klipsch and see whats up.
Or is it that simply the Synergy line is going to be replaced with apparently a cheaper version of the Icon series for BB and for MHT they will now sell both the current Ref. Line and the new Icon series?
I need to know so I can order some more 82s before it's too late. I already have a pair of 82s and thinking of getting another pair for surrounds.
Best Regards
KvE
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post #3317 of 22395
6/22/08 at 4:20pm
I started researching speakers just a few days ago. My new Onkyo 606 will be here tomorrow. I ordered an ED A2-300 sub, which will be here in a couple weeks. I also ordered a kit to change the capacitors in my 1977 Heresy's. I would like to confirm the Heresy's are the best choice for my listening needs before I make an offer on two more of them. I am at a critical decision point since I also need a center and surrounds. My room is 24 x 16 with 9' ceiling.

I watch a ton of movies and HD TV....just bought a PS3 and plan to watch blu ray with the new sound codecs on the Onkyo 606. I also watch alot heavy metal music concerts. Heavy on guitars, drums, base, etc. I like several other types of music as well, but metal is my favorite. (watch others on the Comcast HD music channel). I have not listened to any other speakers besides the Heresy's in the past 20 years, so I have nothing to compare too.

I've heard the Heresy's are dynamic and aggressive, but not very accurate in comparison to newer models. I'm not sure what dynamic and aggressive means exactly in terms of sound. I'm hoping someone could describe the detailed sound differences between the Hersey's and the newer lines of Klipsch speakers, such as Reference or others. If you think newer speakers would sound better for my listening needs, I could sell my Heresy's and spend a little more on new stuff. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thx!
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post #3318 of 22395
6/22/08 at 4:20pm
would anyone know if the current 82 's will be replaced with a W version ?
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post #3319 of 22395
6/22/08 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

And again, have you seen the new WF series by Klipsch?

https://www.klipsch.com/products/details/wf-35.aspx
https://www.klipsch.com/products/details/wf-34.aspx

They look pretty sweet. Looks like there's a little Energy and Mirage DNA/influence in the mix!
I haven't physically seen them yet, but I'm told they should start appearing sometime later this summer at authorized Klipsch dealers.
Tell me what you think?!

Regards.

I do believe I tried to bring the new Icons, primarily the WF series, to "Zen Traveler's" attention a couple of weeks ago.

They are nice looking speakers.
In regards to the XF Series, the Magnolia in my area has the XF 48's along with XL 23 LCR and the XB 10 bookshelf's on display and demo ready.
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/xf-48.aspx
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/xl-23.aspx
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/xb-10.aspx
http://www.klipsch.com/products/deta...er-system.aspx

They sounded pretty nice if you are into speakers that are powered. (XF 48's).
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post #3320 of 22395
6/22/08 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

Hi, I found a local ad with a guy selling a pair of Walnut Heresy's in "Like New" condition...about 1 hour from my house. The serials are 106U221 and 222, which corresponds to 1980. They look nice and shiny in the picture, but it's not a close up view. I have two 1977 Heresy's as my fronts, and I was looking for a Center. However, I may wind up buying a total of 5.

How can I find out if these 1980's have the same components as my 1977's? Mine have K77 tweeters, K55V mid, and K22 woofers. What is the year range that matches my 1977's perfectly? Finally, what would be a fair cash price to offer him if I pick these 1980's up at his house? He advertised them for $600, but that seems very high. Thanks!

1977 might be a Heresy I and 1980 a Heresy II; I don't know the exact transition date. What is your 1977 label say?

$600 sounds a bit high to me. I just paid $485 for a pair in Walnut oil, but it isn't pristine. There is a water ring on the top of one of them, and I haven't seen them yet, so i expect a few chips in the venner edging.
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post #3321 of 22395
6/22/08 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

I started researching speakers just a few days ago. My new Onkyo 606 will be here tomorrow. I ordered an ED A2-300 sub, which will be here in a couple weeks. I also ordered a kit to change the capacitors in my 1977 Heresy's. I would like to confirm the Heresy's are the best choice for my listening needs before I make an offer on two more of them. I am at a critical decision point since I also need a center and surrounds. My room is 24 x 16 with 9' ceiling.

I watch a ton of movies and HD TV....just bought a PS3 and plan to watch blu ray with the new sound codecs on the Onkyo 606. I also watch alot heavy metal music concerts. Heavy on guitars, drums, base, etc. I like several other types of music as well, but metal is my favorite. (watch others on the Comcast HD music channel). I have not listened to any other speakers besides the Heresy's in the past 20 years, so I have nothing to compare too.

I've heard the Heresy's are dynamic and aggressive, but not very accurate in comparison to newer models. I'm not sure what dynamic and aggressive means exactly in terms of sound. I'm hoping someone could describe the detailed sound differences between the Hersey's and the newer lines of Klipsch speakers, such as Reference or others. If you think newer speakers would sound better for my listening needs, I could sell my Heresy's and spend a little more on new stuff. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thx!

You'll find more info on the Klipsch web site forum.

When I say dynamic, I mean the ability to go from quiet conversation level (in a movie soundtrack) to very loud, effortlessly and without compression.

There's a lot of personal bias in liking the Heresy versus a newer reference model, so one isn't better than the other for everyone. But you are not making a bad choice, just your choice. I too run an all-Heritage HT.
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post #3322 of 22395
6/22/08 at 6:59pm
I think the Heresy II came in later than 1980. 83-86 could be wrong on that.
I've heard some folks say that the earlier heresy models I-II have different characteristics in their sound in comparison to the IIIs. It almost seems as though most folks prefer either the Is or the IIIs, the twos not so much.
Klipsch is generally described as high energy or more commonly 'bright' in the high end.
My parents have owned a pair of Heresy I for nearly 30 years, 1980-81.
Personally in comparison to my RF-82s their sound stage is wider and better bottom. Of course that could be that they are distorting more in a fashion that I find pleasing.
If I had the money I would pickup a pair of heresys for myself, either I or III.
Best Regards
KvE
Good Luck!

PS Heresys sound awesome for movies and music!
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post #3323 of 22395
6/22/08 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

I do believe I tried to bring the new Icons, primarily the WF series, to "Zen Traveler's" attention a couple of weeks ago.

They are nice looking speakers.
In regards to the XF Series, the Magnolia in my area has the XF 48's along with XL 23 LCR and the XB 10 bookshelf's on display and demo ready.
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/xf-48.aspx
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/xl-23.aspx
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/xb-10.aspx
http://www.klipsch.com/products/deta...er-system.aspx

They sounded pretty nice if you are into speakers that are powered. (XF 48's).

Help me understand... Klipsch and BB change the models for a pair of speakers jump in price from $1,000 to $2,500 and I'm supposed to be impressed - how?
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6/22/08 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by ztkp01 View Post

Help me understand... Klipsch and BB change the models for a pair of speakers jump in price from $1,000 to $2,500 and I'm supposed to be impressed - how?

I find it hilarious that the XF-48 and the RF-83 cost the same msrp.

I bet they switched because it is cheaper for Klipsch to produce the XF-48. So they make more money from the retail chains.
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6/22/08 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by Lebronze View Post

I find it hilarious that the XF-48 and the RF-83 cost the same msrp.

I bet they switched because it is cheaper for Klipsch to produce the XF-48. So they make more money from the retail chains.

well - i think it may take more time and work to make those new lines -

the 83's seem easily to make along with the 82's

its the materials used also with the new line - drivers could be better etc. --

i wonder if they will replace the 82 with the new line also
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post #3326 of 22395
6/23/08 at 7:16am
Thanks for the feedback PSG and KMF. After further research, I've decided that the new Onkyo 606 will probably not improve the sound much on my old Heresy's. I am currently using an Onkyo HT-R500 from 2002, which is 100 watts/ch.

Therefore, I am refusing delivery today and Amazon will give me a full refund. I will spend the money on another set of matching Heresy's and use one as a center. I'm so overloaded with Audio info my brain is going to explode!
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6/23/08 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

Thanks for the feedback PSG and KMF. After further research, I've decided that the new Onkyo 606 will probably not improve the sound much on my old Heresy's. I am currently using an Onkyo HT-R500 from 2002, which is 100 watts/ch.

Therefore, I am refusing delivery today and Amazon will give me a full refund. I will spend the money on another set of matching Heresy's and use one as a center. I'm so overloaded with Audio info my brain is going to explode!

Let us know how the all-Heresy system works out.
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post #3328 of 22395
6/23/08 at 10:57am
RBH 661 SE/R's vs. Klipsch KL-650's???
Anyone with info on these, could you please chime in?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1042264
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post #3329 of 22395
6/23/08 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by expresso712 View Post

would anyone know if the current 82 's will be replaced with a W version ?

From what I understand, the WF series will not replace the RF series speakers. Magnolia will carry the WF's along with selected specialized authorized audio outlet retailers.
https://www.klipsch.com/news-center/...echnology.aspx

Regards.
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post #3330 of 22395
6/23/08 at 2:51pm
Fates you are making the right choice. Let us know how they sound when you get them going. I run Fortes myself and eventually want to do what you are doing with Heresies.
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