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post #4081 of 22400
9/12/08 at 2:29pm
Hello Zen!

Where ya been?! I missed reading your interesting responses on this thread.
What do you think the differences are in regards to Zhera post/inquiry about the differences between the RF35 and the RF82's?

Regards.
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post #4082 of 22400
9/12/08 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by Zhera View Post

I have a basic first post question, that I've not been able to find a solid answer to in any previous post that I've spent hours searching/reading through.

Is there really any noticeable difference in the performance and sound reproduction of the RF-35 vs RF-82? The specs from Klipsch are really too close to go on just that data alone.

Thanks in advance for any and all information.

The RF-82's are an improved version of the RF-35's (a discontinued model). They have a an improved tweeter driver and a larger tweeter horn with a lower crossover frequency, for better upper-midrange performance. The 82's also have more power handling capability. Overall, the RF-82 is the better speaker, IMHO.
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post #4083 of 22400
9/12/08 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by Zhera View Post

Is there really any noticeable difference in the performance and sound reproduction of the RF-35 vs RF-82? The specs from Klipsch are really too close to go on just that data alone.

One of the differences is that the matching center channel for the RF-82 is better than that for the RF-35. In Canada the cost difference between the 2 is very significant (about 75% higher), but I understand that in the U.S. they are almost the same price, so it is a no-brainer.
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post #4084 of 22400
9/12/08 at 7:57pm
guys whats a better speaker set , the Klipsch Quintet III/II or the Mirage Nanosat 5 ?
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post #4085 of 22400
9/12/08 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by John H View Post

I originally ordered RS-62's for my side and rear surrounds.

Mains: RF-83's
Center: RC-64
Sides: RS-62
Rears: RS-62

I switched out a pair of RF-63's for side surrounds. Due to my right side wall room configuration I think I will get a better rear stage with the RF-63's.

I will be driving them with a B&K Reference 200.7
What are others using for power?

John

Hey John,
I've got the same speakers as you except no rears. I use Outlaw Audio 755 5x200W. Works great !
Steve
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post #4086 of 22400
9/13/08 at 12:04am
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

This is an interesting observation.....What was driving both speakers on the audition?

He was using a Denon amp & Pre Amp . not sure ,which one, but thething i did'nt like on the rb 81 was the front port's , the bass was boomy , not tight as the rear ports on the 51's . this is just me , don't get me wrong the 81's sound good but not my taste , my self i just upgraded to the RF-82's they sound sweet..lol.
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post #4087 of 22400
9/13/08 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by Threerun View Post

The 51's are also on my list. The problem for me is that there are no high end audio shops anywhere close to me that have these Klipsch speakers. Closest high end or Magnolia stores (near as I can tell) are 2 hours away in Pittsburgh. Local Best Buy and Circuit City is all I've got... There is a shop close by that carries Paradigm, so I might give them a listen..

I'm trying to get some opinions before I make the drive to hear them, so I can least focus and narrow it down..

I havn't heard the RVX-42.. How's that stack up to the 51's?

The RVX-42 have a differ sound to them , diffty have to have a sub. the cabinets are plastic & Metal fronts , but I listened to them at my local shop , iactually was thinking on going with a set just for my TV on the sides for reg, viewing , I have a HP Plasma with ditachable speakers on it , they do not sound very good at all , but not wasting the money on them , I dont watch regg, TV anyways LOL, but hey its worth the time to listen to them all , as for the Paradigm , I had a center channel by them like 16 years ago , it was the last one, Not my cup of tea , but alot of pepole love them , so again go listen to them , look on the Klipsch web site and see if you can find a dealer near you , which way do you live from pittsburg? just curious I'm just north of you , up above Williamsport PA. i live on the border of NY Actually pitts like only 2 1/2 hours from me , lolIf you get froggy give me a yell I have three shops up here that sell Klispch , all of them even the Klipsch Horns ,, LOL have a good one , hope i helped you think abit more ,
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post #4088 of 22400
9/13/08 at 6:31am
Thanks for the help. I'm in Clarksburg/Bridgeport WV. The closest Klipsch dealer is listed as Wheeling, and the rest are in and around Pittsburgh..

Looks like I'm getting that Wheeling Feelin' and going for a roadtrip!!!
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post #4089 of 22400
9/13/08 at 11:56am
I don't know how to hook up these beautiful Klipsch XF 48's. It was recommended, by Klipsch tech, to take an RCA cable and go from the rear Line-In jack to a Pre Out Jack on the Denon AVR 2309 C1. Problem is: the amp does not have any speaker Pre Out jacks (except one that is used for the SW). Maybe i'm reading it wrong?? Does this mean I need to use speaker wire for the connections instead of the RCA cable? The amp seems to have enough of these!

Never thought hooking up a speaker could be this complicated.

Best to all.

Chrlz
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post #4090 of 22400
9/13/08 at 2:13pm
I am thinking about getting the Ultra2 KL-650-THX LCRs front speakers, to replace my bookshelf Rf-81 and the Rf 62 center.
Would I notice a huge improvement going to the ultra 2 fronts?
I already have the ultra 2 subs a pair of KW-120 with the matching amp.
I have the RS-52 sorrounds.
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post #4091 of 22400
9/13/08 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

awestbro -- I have the Promedia 4.1 system for use with my PC. The Satellites are run from the power amps in the sub-woofer. They make an excellent sound system for a PC - with close placed speakers.

The Satellites are not the same as the R/L and RR/RL speakers in the Quintet II/III system (the Quintet uses 3.5" drivers - the Promedia uses 3" drivers). The Quintet satellites go down to 100Hz and the Promedia's only go to 120Hz. Both can handle about the same amount of power, and are designed for small rooms (like 8' x 10'). They do not have the power capability for a real HT setup (although they are better than most TV speakers).

However, the Promedia 4.1 speakers are not designed to be used separately. The input cable is has 2 stereo inputs, 1 for the front 2 channels and 1 for the rear 2 channels. The sub-woofer signal is derived from these 4 signals (that is the way most computer sound cards are set up). All the correct crossovers and amplifiers are inside the sub's electronics. If you separate them, you are essentially throwing the sub away - you can't run the sub without the satellite speaker loads. Also, the satellites need the sub for the lower frequencies (and the correct cross-overs) that most bookshelf speakers can handle.

The Promedia 4.1 can be used for a small room HT use, as is: using 2 adapter cables - mini-phone plug to 2 RCA plugs - for the front & rear channels plus sub-woofer. They will sound pretty good, but only as a complete setup (as they were designed to be run). I've used mine that way (with an Creative Labs adapter box, instead of the adapter cables) for travel situations - using my laptop as the DVD player.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't use the Promedia 4.1s (or the Quintet II/III) for HT use. They certainly can be used as I described, as a stop-gap system. But only until you can afford a better system.


Thanks Wiebe...after I asked the question I went and tested it out I could tell a big difference especially when you start to turn it up fairly loud there was clear distortion in them.
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post #4092 of 22400
9/13/08 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by Chrlz View Post

I don't know how to hook up these beautiful Klipsch XF 48's. It was recommended, by Klipsch tech, to take an RCA cable and go from the rear Line-In jack to a Pre Out Jack on the Denon AVR 2309 C1. Problem is: the amp does not have any speaker Pre Out jacks (except one that is used for the SW). Maybe i'm reading it wrong?? Does this mean I need to use speaker wire for the connections instead of the RCA cable? The amp seems to have enough of these!

Never thought hooking up a speaker could be this complicated.

Best to all.

Chrlz

The XF-48s have built in amplifiers - they are designed to be used with line level audio signals. Therefore, you can't use the speaker outputs on your Denon AVR 2309 to drive them - you can damage either the XF-48a or the Denon, or both.

Unfortunately, you can't use amplified speakers with your Denon - it doesn't have the Pre-Outs that you would need. I would recommend returning the XF-48s and relpace them with regular speakers, like the RF-63s or RF-83s.
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post #4093 of 22400
9/13/08 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

The XF-48s have built in amplifiers - they are designed to be used with line level audio signals. Therefore, you can't use the speaker outputs on your Denon AVR 2309 to drive them - you can damage either the XF-48a or the Denon, or both.

Unfortunately, you can't use amplified speakers with your Denon - it doesn't have the Pre-Outs that you would need. I would recommend returning the XF-48s and relpace them with regular speakers, like the RF-63s or RF-83s.

or - you can upgrade your denon - and keep them - its a option -
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post #4094 of 22400
9/13/08 at 5:23pm
So we just got the new VF series Klipsch at work, and yes I work at Best Buy, and we unboxed 'em to see how they sound.

They don't sound too bad, but they have seemed to have dropped the plastic cones found in the Synergy line in favor of paper-composite cones with foam surrounds. Looking at the factory homepage suggests the same.

I know there are a few speakers out there that don't sound bad with paper cones, but it seems like a step backwards for Klipsch.

Any thought guys?
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post #4095 of 22400
9/13/08 at 5:33pm
Guys im in a dilemma, i need to get a speaker set but i cant decide, im going crazy.. i listened to both at best buy but i still cant decide.. whats a better speaker set , the Klipsch Quintet III/II or the Mirage Nanosat 5 ?
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post #4096 of 22400
9/13/08 at 5:47pm
Buy the Quintet III's and pair them with a good mid end sub. The QIII's were my introduction to Klipsch and a couple of upgrades later(great deals hard to pass up) I have not looked back. The Mirages sound fine also, choose them if you have less than ideal placement choices especially if you must mount them high.

Bill
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post #4097 of 22400
9/13/08 at 6:09pm
Thanks alot for the reply Will. im indeed having a hard time, no i dont have any space limitation, i am going to mount the surrounds on the wall but im putting the front left and right on stands and the center on the TV stand because my tv is placed on a stand in the CORNER of the wall so i dont have a flat wall to mount the fronts to so i put the fronts on stands.

The nanosats do sound good but i dont know, the klipsch will give me better sound because of Klipsch's Horn technology?

Im scared that i will get "tiny" sound from the Mirage speakers with some content.

Is there any better speaker set that i can get for no more than $600 than the Mirage nanosat 5 or the Klipsch Quintet II/II?
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post #4098 of 22400
9/13/08 at 6:11pm
has anyone replaced there drivers on the RF 82 ?

would anyone know what the price would be from Klipsch ?

one of my drivers - the top one got dented today - i am pissed - the maintenance guy where i live was doing something and by mistake a picture frame fell from his hand and it banged into the driver - make a slash dent on the bottom near the rubber foam - it didnt go threw the driver but i can see it - since i know its there - the sound dosnt sound affected at all - its just cosmetic -

i am debating if i should replace it or leave it - i have replaced them in the past but not on this model - i notice i have to remove the front top part first - which i would think shows the screws that hold in the driver - and then just unplug the wires - should be simple -

does anyone know for sure what else is involved if i decide to replace it - ?

thanks - i am not letting anyone in my apt. anymore -
i guess i should have seen this coming and should have been more careful myself - but this guy is usually careful and not as clumsy as he has been lately - -

any information on changing out the drivers - whats involved etc. and price if anyone knows -

thanks
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post #4099 of 22400
9/13/08 at 6:33pm
I don't recall how much replacement woofers are for the 82s, at least 100 bucks. You kind of have to be very careful with the darn thing.
The horn's wiring is shorter than you might expect so just turn the whole cover plate 90 degrees one direction. Unscrew the woofer in question, pull it out and disconnect the wires.
This part I never got around to doing, it was difficult to pull so I decided not to.
Reason why I was even bothering was to verify the polarity of my wire because I felt I wasn't getting much bass or movement from the bottom woofer as say the synergys would.
Just be sure to cover the other woofer because it is so damn easy to dent those woofers.

Side note. Got to play with the Icon V Bookshelfs and they sounded ok, kind of bright, or perhaps shallow, with the store demo CD. Didn't get much chance to play with the VF-36s. What little I heard sounded pretty good.
Although it is disconcerting that Klipsch is using cheaper materials for the woofers. Even though cabinets seemed denser and sturdier than the Synergys. Now I want to hear the W-35s.
Kicking myself for not buying another pair of 82s >:{ !!!
Best Regards
KvE

PS my 82s are smoother in the top end than those Icons or the Synergys.
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post #4100 of 22400
9/13/08 at 6:40pm
For about 30 dollars more and if you don't mind silver look at these:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search

Get 3 RVX-42's and 2 RSX-4's and you will be set. I had this setup in my 16ft x 30ft family room before replacing it with a pair of RF-63's and an RC-62. Now my bedroom is fortunate to have this great system. With a good sub, it will leave you wanting for nothing. Look at this review.
http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorl...rs/605klipsch/

Bill
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post #4101 of 22400
9/13/08 at 7:10pm
will can u please answer my question above
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post #4102 of 22400
9/13/08 at 7:18pm
Better sound is very subjective. The Klipsch speakers are more efficient and will have better dynamics with the horn tweeters than the Mirages. As far as a better setup for around $600.00, check out those links from my last reply.
Bill
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post #4103 of 22400
9/13/08 at 7:21pm
Oh god man you wont belive what i just found, amazon is selling the Klipsch Quintet SL for $599. that system is defintley better than the Mirage Nanosat 5.1 and the Klipsch Quintet II and III right? i listened to it today at best buy, they sounded very good.
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post #4104 of 22400
9/13/08 at 7:32pm
I found the Quintet SL to be the QIII"s with a broader front soundstage. It is actually a lower cost RVX-42 system. Very good system for the price. If you don't have a sub yet, get the SUB12. Probably the best $400.00 sub you can buy. Make sure you can find stands that will accomodate the SL's. Don't count out the RVX-42 system if Vanns has them in stock.

Bill
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post #4105 of 22400
9/13/08 at 7:44pm
I have 2 good stands for the left and right channels that i bought a year ago, they hold speakers very well.

But i dont want to buy a sub now, what if i use my 10 inch Onkyo sub, for my apartment, that wont be enough? i dont need a monster sub, not at all, the neigboors start to knock and stuff. but no matter how high i raise the speaker volume there are no problems with the neigboors.

But i have a question, getting the Klipsch SL for $599 is a better choice than the Mirage Nanosat 5 right?

theres no way i can be disapointed with the klipsch right? from the sound i heared at best buy it was very clear and bright. besides theres a problem with the Mirage NANOSat NOT having a dedicated center channel which people complain makes understanding dialogs a little hard, theres a solution, to buy the $200 Mirage center channel which is originally found at the Mirage Prestige 5.1 speaker set which costs $950 i belive.

man im so happy. but in any possible way, the Klipsh SL is better than the older Klipsch Quintet II and III right? because people are amazed from the II and III so the SL will be even better right?

Overall for the money, ill be getting much better sound with the Klipsch SL than the Mirage Nanosat right?

i could also always buy a better sub later if needed..
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post #4106 of 22400
9/13/08 at 8:07pm
Answers in order: (remember, all answers are subjective)
Sub question?----Yes, the Onkyo should be okay for now.
SL's or Nano 5's?------To me, Klipsch hands down.
Disappointed with Klipsch?-----No.
SL's better than QII's and QIII"s?-----Yes, you are getting two more woofers up front.
Better sound with SL's over Nano's?---Yes(again answer subjective and biased)

Remember the link to the RVX-42 system----better than QII's,QIII's,SL's and Nano's
It is a retail priced $1650.00 system for $650.00. At least respond to this and consider it.

Bill
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post #4107 of 22400
9/13/08 at 8:22pm
Thanks for the info man,im going to give one last visit to Best Buy tommorow to give a test drive to the Klipsch SL again and then Mirage Nanosat aswelll and when i get home ill order from amazon whichever system i decide, im highly considering the Klipsch as i loved the sound at best buy but for $799, i cant pay that price, but now when its on sale i can defintley pay for it.

Will, regarding that RVX-42 system, where does it cost 650? i cant find any info anywhere.

By the way, for anyone wondering.. the reason why i dont seem so amazed by the Mirage Nanosat is because i dont know for what reason but i listened to it, at high volume, and the sound is sharp and clean but it just does NOT have a feel of sound hitting you. im not taling about the subwoofer, not at all. the sound that the speakers produce, the klipsch defintley do that and i belive it's because of it's Horn technology.

Well i was torn between the Quintent III/II and the Mirage Nanosat 5, and now that i can get the Quintent SL for the same price i can get the Mirage, i think im going to pull the trigger and i doubt i will be dissapoitned or anything like that.. as i been using cheap ONKYO speakers for over a year(ones that comes with HTIB packages ) so this Klipsch should be amazing.
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post #4108 of 22400
9/13/08 at 8:38pm
[quote=expresso712;14657987]has anyone replaced there drivers on the RF 82 ?

would anyone know what the price would be from Klipsch ?

Hey man they cost $55.00 this is from Klipsch , but call customer service to verify okay , This is from another bordie that bought a pair of demo RF-82 at best buy and had a couple of dents in his 8" woofer and asked the same ? & I told him to call Klipsch and he did and replied back to me the cost and a thank you , So hey does'nt sound to bad , and replacing , you have to unbolt the whole face plate by the looks and the driver is mounted to the inside or back not sure just looking at the front of my 82's. But in the past I had to replace a 10" woofer in one of my KG5.5 and it was so easy , hope this helps..Also the Maintence man sould sould have to cover the cost , or insurred by the complex, that I would make sure of ..hope this helps.
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post #4109 of 22400
9/13/08 at 8:44pm
RVX-42---$149.88
RVX-42---$149.88
RVX-42---$149.88
RSX-4----$ 89.88
RSX-4----$ 89.88
Total-----$629.40
It looks like Vanns is currently out of stock of the silver RVX-42's.
Were you able to click on the Vanns.com links in my post?
The main reason I keep mentioning this system is because the Reference series has a fuller and richer sound and better build quality than the Synergy series.

Bill.
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post #4110 of 22400
9/13/08 at 8:56pm
oh i see, i think i might pass , yes i did click the links and its indeed out of stock, but ordering all these speakers seperetley and stuff is kind of a hassle in a way i think, i rather just order the whole package(the SL). and i dont want to wait until that is speaker is available at VANS because im scared the price will rise back to $800 on the SL, hey man, i cant go wrong with the SL right?

And they should provide me with more full and better sound than the Mirage Nanasat 5.1 i think
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