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post #4561 of 35270
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Originally Posted by malicious View Post

high WAF = good

WF-35 = dead sexy

i love the traditional towers (RF-5 owner) but go for the new stuff!!!

oh and then post pics please.... this thread needs more freakin pics!!

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Originally Posted by proudgeek View Post

I listened to a variety of cds and dvds with the 82s and 63s. From the Phantom of the Opera (which is a great demo CD by the way) and Spyro Gyra to AC/DC and Rush. I also tried a drama DVD and the "The Dark Knight" demo BD. I thought the 82s sounded better and most likely due to the 8 inch drivers. Personal choice i guess.

I liked the 82s better than the 35s on low frequency reproduction and price. I did like the 35s better in every other area - looks, reproduction of mids and highs, and size. Its a great HT setup.

In your case, all the pro's are on the 35s side except price. I'd go with the 35s since you don't mind using a sub for 2 ch audio.

Well, it's good to hear you guys like the Icons. I did certainly like them when I heard them at magnolia, they seemed to have a great soundstage, and be very dynamic, although noticeably weak on the lows (which again won't be a problem since I'll be using a sub). I guess one thing that I'm still a bit leery on is their newness, and how their quality of components and construction compare to like the RF-82's. They certainly LOOK gorgeous, but they are significantly lighter than the RF-82's. I know some of this is because they are smaller, but is it also because the cabinets have less bracing, lighter duty drivers, something else etc? Also, I notice they use fiberglass woofers as opposed to the cerametallic that the reference use. Any disadvantage (or advantage) to that? What about longevity?

I guess their newness kind of scares me as to what sort of quality they are. I'm guess/hoping Klipsch wouldn't have built a dud in these speakers, especially at the price point, but since they are smaller and nicer looking "lifestyle" type speakers, I'm wondering if they made compromises or sacrifices to get them into a smaller attractive package. Or do these have newer and better technology and design and THAT is why they can have a great sounding speaker in a smaller/lighter package, (although with less low end than the beefier reference)?
post #4562 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I wouldn't buy that AVR to run those speakers. Bottom-of-the-line Yamaha AVRs are usually reported as bright with the larger Klipsch Reference speakers.

sorry what does bright mean and I already have that model. Which affordable ($500 or less) avr do you recommend?
post #4563 of 35270
As you might remember, I just recently upgraded my fronts to RVX-54's. They sound great! When I get the chance, I'll take new pictures and post them in my links below.

As is often the case, I realized that my current RW-10 subwoofer is now the weakest link in my speakers and decided to take advantage of the deal at Vann's for the Klipsch RSW-10d. At an MSRP of $1,299, getting the cherry version of this sub at $499 is an absolute steal. I find it amazing that the black version of the same exact speaker is still $1,299 at Vanns. Paint must really be expensive! Anyway, I'm very happy about the deal.

I'll let everyone know how it sounds when it arrives.
post #4564 of 35270
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Originally Posted by mrTAPOUT View Post

sorry what does bright mean and I already have that model. Which affordable ($500 or less) avr do you recommend?

As I have come to understand it, they mean that they tend to exaggerate the high frequencies.
post #4565 of 35270
mike_pro -- The Icons have design compromises to meet a lower wholesale price point and higher profit margin for the B&M stores like BB & CC) - and to "satisfy" those wanting a smaller footprint (promulgated, in part, by the advertising copy for Sony, Panasonic, & others that want to sell their HTIB like systems).

The Reference IV series are just that, a reference design. They are better speakers all around, with a solid build quality. If you want a quality speaker, go with the Reference series or better, period. If you really have to, the Icon series are not bad speakers, but they are a compromised design and a lower quality build. If the RF-82s are too big, go with the RF-63 - same quality but smaller woofers.
post #4566 of 35270
I have 2 sets of SS.5 speakers for my surround/surround back and an SC.5 center. I got them for $300 shipped in a woot deal and I'm very happy with them but they seem to lack bass of any mass. Specifically anything below around 110hz. They work exceptionally well for home theater since most of my surround bass is provide by my sub but when I stretch my 2.1 sound into 7.1 stereo it is painfully obvious that they lack extension. I would like to upgrade at some point in the near future and I'm looking at things nearer the THX series. I'm just afraid that while they'll sound excellent, they'll still be brighter than I'm looking for. Can anyone comment?
post #4567 of 35270
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Originally Posted by mrTAPOUT View Post

sorry what does bright mean and I already have that model. Which affordable ($500 or less) avr do you recommend?


if you can stretch it a little more - the new marantz models are hot looking and build nice - the 5003 is more than what your looking for - but maybe you can get a good deal from AVS Science - you can call them and ask for best price - this model decodes the latest HD audio also - or 4003 is in your price range - but dont think it decodes True HD or DTS MA - thats not a big big deal - and if you have a blu ray player that decodes those formats - then its not a issue - check those models out and ask AVS Science what the best price are for those - you may be able to just swing the 5003 for just a little over your price range - but the 4003 is for sure in your price range -

you can also check out some other brands if you like also -
post #4568 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Leftoverchinese View Post

As I have come to understand it, they mean that they tend to exaggerate the high frequencies.

Another cause of brightness is a deficiency of bass and mid range. This is the same result as exaggerated highes caused by some tweeters or crossovers. Same result but for different reasons.

A mismatched receiver (low wattage amp) or even a pre/pro could cause the deficiency. Replacing the electronics would likely improve sound whereas it is difficult to tame some tweeters or crossovers.

Hope thi makes sense.
post #4569 of 35270
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Originally Posted by mike_pro View Post

Well, it's good to hear you guys like the Icons. I did certainly like them when I heard them at magnolia, they seemed to have a great soundstage, and be very dynamic, although noticeably weak on the lows (which again won't be a problem since I'll be using a sub). I guess one thing that I'm still a bit leery on is their newness, and how their quality of components and construction compare to like the RF-82's. They certainly LOOK gorgeous, but they are significantly lighter than the RF-82's. I know some of this is because they are smaller, but is it also because the cabinets have less bracing, lighter duty drivers, something else etc? Also, I notice they use fiberglass woofers as opposed to the cerametallic that the reference use. Any disadvantage (or advantage) to that? What about longevity?

I guess their newness kind of scares me as to what sort of quality they are. I'm guess/hoping Klipsch wouldn't have built a dud in these speakers, especially at the price point, but since they are smaller and nicer looking "lifestyle" type speakers, I'm wondering if they made compromises or sacrifices to get them into a smaller attractive package. Or do these have newer and better technology and design and THAT is why they can have a great sounding speaker in a smaller/lighter package, (although with less low end than the beefier reference)?

Mike, this might not resonate well with some hard core fans since this can be somewhat religious, but I think this is much like buying a car. It needs to be of good quality, meet your overall requirements, and you need to like it. As I have examined both lines, the reference are higher end and their build seems to be more solid than the icon, but the result is a larger, heavier speaker. Does this mean that the 35s are or feel cheap? Absolutely not. Different designs are required in order to solve different problems. These two speaker lines prove that. With no space constraints, I would have gone with the 82s but that is what finally steered me to the 35s. I am very satisfied.

BTW, the 63s are even larger than the 82s but with with smaller sized drivers.
post #4570 of 35270
Hey guys, came across some RB-81's at a great deal that I could not pass up. Was going with the RF-82's, but with the RB-81's at a steal had to say bye to the RF-82's and hellllooooo RB-81's. I have a set-up question, but first some specs.
Room size is ~ 15x18x7 (height) give or take a few inches.
The RB-81's are going to be Left and Right Speakers of a 7.1 system. RS-52's will be the back surounds. SVS Ultra13 for the sub
The RB-81's are going to be on either side of 9 foot wide screen.
The walls are treated with 38 inches of linacoustic around the bottom half of the room.

Here are some questions:
1) What height should the RB-81's be mounted at? Looking at the height of the towers: RF-82 at 43.6 inches; RF-63 at 46.1 inches and the RF-83 and P-38F both around 50 inches. Would it be safe to say mounting the RB-81 at a height of 48 inches be safe? Or is it a different ball game with bookshelf speakers.
2) How would the performance of a RB-81 paired with a RC-64? Too much? Not planning any upgrades in the future to any tower speakers. Or, should I get RC-62's? I want to match the R-81's the best.

Thanks in advance :-) A happy new klipsch owner. LOL.. sorry about spelling, I went to public school.
post #4571 of 35270
SSweetImpalaSS -- The RC-62 is the best match for the RB-81s (I have the RC-62 and it's a great center channel speaker). The RC-64 is better with the RF-82's and larger mains.

The RB-81s and the RC-62 should all be at roughly ear height, when seated - usually around 30" to 36". All 3 front channel speakers should be at the same height (although the RC-62 has an adjustable foot rest to angle it up, or down, as needed to be aimed at the listeners. The surround sound channels are supposed to be mounted high (for more diffuse sound).

The RS-52's should only be used as side surrounds (in a 5.1 channel system), not as back surrounds. You need the side surrounds before you even think about using back surrounds (which are only for a 7.1 channel system). If you do go to a 7.1 channel system (eventually) then you should be using something like the RB-61s for that purpose.

PS -- Spell-checkers are your friend - but yours is a whole lot better than many I've seen on these threads.
post #4572 of 35270
Bought some used RF-3's that of course don't have the grilles. Is there some web site that specializes in replacements?
post #4573 of 35270
I would contact Klipsch parts department: support@klipsch.com
post #4574 of 35270
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Originally Posted by LHD21 View Post

I have 2 sets of SS.5 speakers for my surround/surround back and an SC.5 center. I got them for $300 shipped in a woot deal and I'm very happy with them but they... I would like to upgrade at some point in the near future and I'm looking at things nearer the THX series. I'm just afraid that while they'll sound excellent, they'll still be brighter than I'm looking for. Can anyone comment?

The difference between the low end Synergy and the High end THX or upper end Reference lines are as considerable as the price. I am not sure what you are asking but with the Klipsch THX line of speakers you will definitely want to consider a upper end AVR or mid level with external power to reach their potential.
post #4575 of 35270
Thanks for the reply CT. I knew the height about the surrounds, but was not sure about the fronts.
post #4576 of 35270
SSweetImpalaSS -- Most setup recommendations (including THX) recommend that the (front L/R speakers) tweeters (the Klipsch high frequency horns) be placed at ear height, and angled (only slightly, in my opinion) towards the listening position (assumed the widest range of seating). They also recommend that the surrounds be placed at least 2' above the listener's heads. Most installations, that I've seen in high-end demo rooms, place the surrounds within 6" to a foot of the ceiling.

NOTE: My current R/L speakers (JBL L96) aren't angled, but my room isn't that wide (13') compared to our couch (9'). These speakers are 30+ year old design floor standers but they are only about 2' high (so they are definitely below my ear height = 35"). However, their sonic dispersion is pretty broad, so their positioning doesn't seem to really matter (at least in my room). If I ever have to replace the JBLs, I will get either RB-81's, RF-62's, or RF-82's (depending on my budget at that time).

The top of my new Klipsch RC-62 is at the same height as the top of my L/Rs (in the same cabinet/custom-shelving), but angled upwards a couple of degrees. The sonic match of these is surprisingly good, given the age, design, and Mfg., differences between them.

My current surrounds (side and back) are inexpensive, OEM, speakers (about $75 each). They will ultimately get replaced by Klipsch RS-52's, in the future. Ultimately, I will likely get a pair of RB-61's for the rear-back surrounds.

PS -- Sorry for rambling, but I thought some of my system, and planning, might be of use. I've been playing around (and experimenting) with audio systems for over 48 years.
post #4577 of 35270
Just wonder if any of you can give me any thoughts on the Klipsch RF-82's ive been waiting awhile now for some sort of sale (they are $1499 here) and I just saw in my local stores flyer that they are selling a pair of 82's for $988 or 62's for $888. How loud can these puppies go when watching movies?
post #4578 of 35270
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Originally Posted by SCEvan View Post

Just wonder if any of you can give me any thoughts on the Klipsch RF-82's ive been waiting awhile now for some sort of sale (they are $1499 here) and I just saw in my local stores flyer that they are selling a pair of 82's for $988 or 62's for $888. How loud can these puppies go when watching movies?

I have never seen the RF-82's at a meaningful sale at FS, they always seem to be $1,499 a pair, sometimes 20% off. However I have seen the RF-35's for $799, which are considered the equivalent from one generation before. I guess they are so popular that Klipsch is manufacturing them again on a limited basis.

I auditioned the 35's and they can play loud. The one thing you should decide is if you can live with the mid-range since neither has dedicated midrange drivers.
post #4579 of 35270
Beta Tester -- Because of the way Klipsch designed their "tweeter" and couple it to their Tractrix horn, they don't need mid-range drivers. The Icon series uses a different horn design than is used in their Reference series. "Living without a mid-range driver" has nothing to do with better or worse sonic performance.

The more important question is whether or not one likes the way horn type speakers sound. Some people don't like them, so they just don't buy Klipsch speakers.
post #4580 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

I have never seen the RF-82's at a meaningful sale at FS, they always seem to be $1,499 a pair, sometimes 20% off. However I have seen the RF-35's for $799, which are considered the equivalent from one generation before. I guess they are so popular that Klipsch is manufacturing them again on a limited basis.

Yeah futureshop is overpriced, the sale is at east hamilton radio.
post #4581 of 35270
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

The more important question is whether or not one likes the way horn type speakers sound. Some people don't like them, so they just don't buy Klipsch speakers.

Whats the performance difference between "horn" and "normal" speakers?
post #4582 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

I have never seen the RF-82's at a meaningful sale at FS, they always seem to be $1,499 a pair, sometimes 20% off. However I have seen the RF-35's for $799, which are considered the equivalent from one generation before. I guess they are so popular that Klipsch is manufacturing them again on a limited basis.

I auditioned the 35's and they can play loud. The one thing you should decide is if you can live with the mid-range since neither has dedicated midrange drivers.

Ouch, any local dealer (non-chain) should be able to sell a pair of 82's WITH an RC-62 for less than that.
post #4583 of 35270
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

Beta Tester -- Because of the way Klipsch designed their "tweeter" and couple it to their Tractrix horn, they don't need mid-range drivers. The Icon series uses a different horn design than is used in their Reference series. "Living without a mid-range driver" has nothing to do with better or worse sonic performance.

I notice that their high-end Palladium series all have mid-range drivers, so I assumed it was a cost issue why the Reference series don't have them.
post #4584 of 35270
with this talk about placement, what would you guys do in my situation? My couch is up against the back wall. Where should I put my surrounds? (not back surrounds as I dont have 7.1)... i currently have them about at ear height facing toward each other (facing toward the listening area).... what do you guys think?
post #4585 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

I notice that their high-end Palladium series all have mid-range drivers, so I assumed it was a cost issue why the Reference series don't have them.

referencing something off of a companies top of the line offering is really not a point of reference...
post #4586 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

I have never seen the RF-82's at a meaningful sale at FS, they always seem to be $1,499 a pair, sometimes 20% off. However I have seen the RF-35's for $799, which are considered the equivalent from one generation before. I guess they are so popular that Klipsch is manufacturing them again on a limited basis.

I auditioned the 35's and they can play loud. The one thing you should decide is if you can live with the mid-range since neither has dedicated midrange drivers.

Maybe I shouldn't be telling you this, but you missed a good deal in August when Magnolia at BB sold out their Klipse Reference series speakers at clearance. Among other items, I picked up a pair of RF-82s for $299 a piece, brand new in the box. They were also selling RF-62s for $249 and soundroom demo speakers for even more off these prices.
If you go back to August on this thread you'll see all the talk about it.
post #4587 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

I notice that their high-end Palladium series all have mid-range drivers, so I assumed it was a cost issue why the Reference series don't have them.

Fwiw, they are differently designed speakers and being either a 2 way vs 3 way and isn't the reason the Palladiums are more expensive.
post #4588 of 35270
Brown stopped by today! Here is the first wave of Klipsch to come to the door. Sorry for the ****** Iphone pic, but I'll get some better shots when I have access to a card reader or my brothers camera.



more pics to come! Still waiting on the RSW-10D to come to the house. It hasn't even shipped yet as far as I know.
post #4589 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Leftoverchinese View Post

Brown stopped by today! Here is the first wave of Klipsch to come to the door. Sorry for the ****** Iphone pic, but I'll get some better shots when I have access to a card reader or my brothers camera.



more pics to come! Still waiting on the RSW-10D to come to the house. It hasn't even shipped yet as far as I know.

I sure hope there's more pics, cause I can't see them right now
post #4590 of 35270
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Originally Posted by Imitation View Post

I sure hope there's more pics, cause I can't see them right now

I can see them....
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