Klipsch owner thread - Page 156

thanks.. I think I'll go ahead and order one!


Whats you're opinion about a power amp for the F-3s? I'm afraid things would get unbalanced with any more power to the F3's. I feel like we don't have enough bass to match, and if I purchase a C3, I'm not sure how that would balance out with the F-3s with say, twice the power running to them. Currently on a probably over rated sony receiver. 100 @.09% thd per channel.

Taken from my experience and a dose of opinion, Sony receivers below a $1,000 generally do not provide the amount of power they claim.
Frequently they will drive one channel and jot down the power rating and THD from that rather than what other manufacturers normally gauge which is all speakers driven. I believe Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, HK, measure their power ratings and THD this way.

If you are talking about purchasing a separate speaker amplifier for the F-3s, assuming the amp is connected properly with your receiver the F-3s are not going to be louder unless you calibrate them louder. Separate amps are going to provide greater dynamic range at increased volume levels, which means no clipping.

F-3s generally have decent bass just by themselves, you can increase the bass on them but it will muddy some of your mid range to a degree if you do it too much.
I'm not very familiar with sony subs. was this a HTIB system? I'm gathering that is the case. The ones I've heard have 8", 10" and 12" drivers and they are more of thump subs rather than deep tactile bass.

The synergys are pretty sensitive and efficient so they normally wont need as much power to produce a certain level of sound as say cheap HTIB speakers will.

Best Regards
KvE

love2succeed If I had the cash, I would without a doubt go with the Legacy Audio HD. I had the chance to listened to them at there main office in Springfield and IMHO they are the best speaker I have ever heard. Call Doug over there and he will treat you right.

I posted this in a seperate thread but wanna see if maybe I can get more/better results in here.

Just wanna get a few opinons on this....

So I finally did some tweaking here and there and decided to set all my speakers to small in my receiver. Now my receiver gives me options to adjust the crossover settings for each speaker (40hz, 60hz, 80hz, 100hz, and 120hz) what do you all recommend for the settings to be at for the RF-82's? I am hooking these speakers up to a Denon 4308ci receiver.

Here are the specs. taken form Klipsch's website on the speakers.

frequency response 33Hz-23kHz +/-3dB
power handling 150W RMS / 600W Peak
sensitivity 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m
nominal impedance 8 ohms compatible
high freq crossover 2000Hz

Thanks for the help.

Also, I ran Audyssey and it set my center to 40hz, and my surrounds to 80hz along with my LFE. What it did was set my fronts to large. When I set it to small (which I prefer for my setup) I have the option of picking which crossover setting I want and here is where I would like some suggestions....?

Thanks again

I also have RF82s.
The Audyssey thread says to set the fronts to 80hz.
I assume you have a subwoofer...

Yes, I actually have two klipsch sub-10's which is why I prefer setting ALL my speakers to small so my subs can do all the heavy lifting.

anyone??

In response to post #4592 and #4606 by ct_wiebe


well i finally got around to trying your recommendation last night,i had already tried everything else and honestly tried this last because it makes no sense to me
I moved the fronts out to about 12 feet,thats all i can get because any further and ill be in front of a door and in a walkway.I then had to reposition the first reflection panels,adjusted the volume with db meter(i did toe them in a little towards lp because i dropped about 2 db from the lp to the outer edge of sofa) then ran ypao to re-eq everything and...
HOLY SMOKES,what a difference,not only is the imaging much much better but the seperation between the fronts is outstanding,i guess with them closer the center and fronts just ran together,now for instance when a car passes from left to right it sounds like its driving through the room!!
I watched a bit of pirate of the carr.as well as i bit of the mummy last night and it was a totally different experience than before.
Now i do have to tweak a little more and recal the subs as i did have to move the hsu ho about a foot down the wall to make room for the acoustic panel and i did notice a drop in bass response,but this i can get back.
I did notice from another post you suggest not pointing the surrounds at the lp which mine are ,so tonight i may tweak those,i have the in ceiling klipsch cdt-5800's that the woofer and tweeter move seperatly so i dont know if i should aim them towards the wall to reflect back into the room or straight down(hint,hint!!)but the left surround is about 1 foot from side wall and right is about 3 feet from side wall,due to the 4x8 bathroom situated into the room in the back left corner.
Anyway thanks for the suggestion.huuuuge improvement
Dean

Hi Dean, I'm glad you tried different speaker locations, although 12' off the front wall is a little more than I had in mind. Your "big improvement" is what I would have expected.

With a square room and sound treatment panels, the sound field can play weird effects. I've been playing around and experimenting with speakers for over 50 years, and I've found some interesting performance behaviors (like making a 12' x 32' concrete block-walled basement room sound like an auditorium just by speaker placement and the reflecting properties of the hard walls).

Your in-ceiling speakers are a little harder to predict where they should be aimed, especially since they are not symmetrically located (relative to the room). They should not be aimed at the listening position, however. You are looking for a diffuse spread of the surround sound output. Using the reflecting properties of the walls is one way to diffuse the sound.

I would suggest starting with a straight down aiming, and see how they effect the sound field. You can then experiment with angling them towards the walls. Angling of the tweeters is more important than the woofers (since high frequencies are more directional). It depends on how the surrounds are located, relative to the listener.

In my case, I don't have "proper" surround speakers right now - I'm just using a pair of bookshelf speakers as side surround speakers. They are located a little behind our listening position (I haven't put up the wall brackets) and angled so they're aimed to reflect off the side walls on each side of the listening position. This seems to work, but it is less than ideal, and doesn't work as well as I would like, with all surround sound effects. My next speaker upgrade will probably be a pair of RS-52's for the surround channels, but that is a purchase for next year.

I got your PM. I guess I misunderstood your 12' placement. You moved the front's from 10' to 12' apart (not forward). That makes more sense, too (from what you've been saying). For the size of your room (22' wide), the 12' spacing will be much better, as you found out. You could go with an even wider spacing (say to 15' apart), but it will not be as dramatic an improvement in the sound stage (but you might want to try it, just to be sure).

Well, I just got notice from Vanns that my RSW-10D will finally be shipping. I guess it will hit the mail tomorrow and then who knows when it will hit my front door. Wow, that took forever.

Good to see that you guys figured it out and hope it addresses the problem of your initial post.

Yep,it did.
I tried everything,then moved the fronts about 12 feet apart,slightly toed in and have been blown away with the difference it makes.I dont really understand why,but imaging is considerable better as well as seperation between the speakers,really really happy.
Thanks for the reply
Dean

I'm looking to upgrade my speakers soon, and was mainly looking at Paradigm, and then more recently started also looking at Klipsch. I went and listened to some today and when I asked them to work me up a price on a package of 4 bookshelves and a center, they wrote me a quote at MSRP. The Paradigm dealer I've been talking to is quoting me a good bit less than MSRP. Is this normal for Klipsch? Needless to say I was a bit disappointed. I was starting to lean toward Klipsch cuz I can buy them locally, but have to drive a good way to get the Paradigms. I have other Klipsch dealers around, and will definitely shop around, but was wondering how it went for others who bought Klipsch. Thanks for any responses I can get.

fireman325 -- Most Klipsch dealers won't negotiate (it's against their authorized dealers agreement with Klipsch). However, in exchange, you get super customer support, from Klipsch, as well as excellent speakers.

Even at MSRP (= MAP for Klipsch) you are still getting a very good deal for the quality of speaker (for the Reference IV line, at least) that you get, IMHO. Other manufacturers would have doubled the MSRP and then let the dealers give you a "great deal" at a 25% to 40% discount.

Klipsch dealers do have sales on occasion (with Klipsch's blessing). A while back Magnolia/BB had a close-out sale on the Reference IV line (because the store was transitioning to the Icon lines - not as good a speaker as the Reference models, but better for their profit margin).

I don't think the Paradigm's are as good a speaker, but that's my personal opinion. It's your ears that have to be satisfied.

Thank you for the information. It's very helpful. Since the prices are set, I may end up ordering from Vann's so I at least don't get hit with tax or shipping. As far as the Paradigms, they were a friend's recommendation and I haven't even gotten to listen to any yet. My nearest dealers are an hour and a half away.

I got mine through OneCall for the same reason.

Fireman325, Contact Eric at www.sounddistributors.com He was nice enough to save me a few pennies, I'm certain he will do the same for you.

Thanks Leftoverchinese. I'll look into it.

yes look at - soundsellers also - they gave me a good price also - you should be able to get them a little under the MSRP - most will give you discounts - call them or email them and ask for best bottom line price -

I will definitely check around. Even at full price, not paying tax saves me over $100, and that's way better than nothing.

I can't find soundsellers and they're not listed as an authorized dealer on Klipsch's site. Do you have a link?

In South Florida, both Sound Advice/Tweeter and BB/Magnolia will give you ~15% off MSRP.

It was actually a Sound Advice I went to today. It's no biggie though. I won't be ready to buy for another week or two. When I do I'll be paying cash, and usually when you walk in somewhere with cash money in your hand, they start bending, at least a little.

I disagree--I've been using a pair of Paradigm Studio 40's augmented with a good sub and the sound was excellent. However, I just upgraded to a set of Palladium P-39F's, and of course, there's no comparison

You only got one pair? Just kidding. When you step up to a speaker like that I have no doubt it's better. For the price it better be. As to the Paradigm/Klipsch comparison I'm looking at (RB-61 or 81 vs Titan), I think it's just a matter of personal opinion, and I think in my situation, with only Klipsch being available locally, Klipsch will probably win out.

yes heres the link - its actually

http://www.soundseller.com/

give them a call - i am sure you will be happy with there price

Thanks. I finally did find it late last night. I'll give them a call today.

I am hoping that someone can help me out I am presently trying to decide on what speakers to run for my theater??? I want to obviously use Klipsch but which ones I am not sure yet. So to give you some insight my room is 15' x 22' long with 9' ceilings, I am using a Integra 6.6 reciever, Infocus IN72 DLP projector, the Monster AVS Voltage stabilizer, PS3 for my blue ray, I really like the RC64 Center Channel and the RB81 for my front left and right and that is where my issue is because the tweeters are not the same they are slightly different I am just wondering if it is going to make that much of a difference that you will hear?
Any help and any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks

Have you listened to them together? If you can't tell a diff, why fret? Or you can always go with RC62 and save some money.

Hey guys got a quick question.

How do the hersey 3's sound in comparision to the rf83's?