Klipsch owner thread - Page 253

Yup... they sound ok with most of the material I listen to, but every once in a while you can hear them struggle... only thing holding me back right now is funds... I've almost saved enough for the VTF3Mk3...

thats the highest the rear poll will extend to tilt it forward lol.

i think I will have to find another spot for the center channel as the KLF-C7 weighs 30-35 lbs. I think thats a little too heavy to have on top of the TV.

Side Note... I didn't know about this website http://www.audiophileliquidator.net/index.php till last night when i recommended it for the RS-42's since they were 100bucks cheaper. Not a bad site now that I'm looking at it. Some cheap stuff.

Just waiting patiently by the door for my VTF3-MK3

I have the same fronts, a projection screen, and a two year old in my living room. She hasn't ever tried to tip the L/R over - she barely even touches them even though her toys are inches away most of the time. Heck she even sits on the floor right next to them to color. I would recommend a sturdy stand for the center. My daughter does have interest in that one as well as the screen, knows not to touch them, and responds when I tell her no.

Hey guys, I've looked through the forum and I couldn't find anything specific to the question I have.

I am in the process of upgrading my TV and receiver. I am currently looking at getting either the Denon 3808ci or the 4308ci. I would like to upgrade my speakers sometime in the future so that's why I'm looking at this higher priced receivers. My current setup is:

AVR: Sony DE series
Center: Synergy III C-3
Front L/R: Synergy III F-2
Surround: Synergy III S-2
(I currently only have 5.1 but will be getting some more S-2's to move to 7.1 sometime soon.)

Am I setting myself up to spend too much money on a receiver that my speakers can't handle?

Thats crazy talk man, you could get a 200wpc dedicated amp and the speakers would simply just soak it up and play with it. In most cases I wouldn't do a 7.1 set up, just keep your 5.1, as most BD are still in 5.1 and will be for awhile.

Have you ever thought of a dedicated amp? Just use your Sony as a pre amp and get a Emotiva XPA 5 amp for $800 new. This will sound amazing and still give you money to play with.

Thanks...My center will be above my entertainment center...so no worries.

tlbauerle -- FYI - the Icon series was made for BB to sell (a cheaper speaker with a higher mark-up). The RF series (Reference IV line) are much better quality speakers.

I would also echo the others - get the largest RF's that you can squeeze out of your budget (the best you can possibly afford). The RF-62's are better than the RF-52's, etc. The R/L speakers are the most important, so get good ones (remember that good speakers last a long time - mine are over 30 years old). You can always delay getting a center channel for a while (until your budget catches up).

With the SC-05 AVR, I personally wouldn't go with anything less than the RF-62's. You could also delay getting a sub and buy RF-82's (if necessary). Remember, each step up yields a big performance jump (as well as better tweeters). Also each upscale model has more power handling capability - headroom - they won't run up against the "stops" as quickly and can handle power transients better.

PS -- Those mains have rear ports and should not be mounted against a wall. They really should be at least 6", if not a foot, off the wall.

Thanks, CT_Wiebe!

The comment wasn't about mounting the RF-62s, but having them anchored to the wall via wire/cable so they couldn't fall forward and squash my child.

Here's another general question, given that my room is 15x18 and some where around 3000 cubic feet, would the RF-82s be overkill?

I can tell you from personal experience that the RF-62's will not be falling over any time soon, unless they are deliberately pushed over.

They weigh something like 57lbs each and they have 1 inch carpet spikes, they're difficult for a grown man to pick up and move, and although yes they in theory could be pushed over, again it would take deliberate effort, as in a toddler would have to be pushing his entire body weight horizontally and with great effort.

Also, i'm going to echo, the difference between the RF-52 and RF-62 is huge. The 62 has a different tweeter which makes literally ALL the difference.

As for the center, i've been told you can get away with an RC-52 instead of a 62, but i like to timber match my f/l/c so i splurged for the 62 /shrug.

To answer your last question, no, the rf-82s wouldnt be overkill, anymoreso than the 62's.

Edit: Also wanted to mention, the RF-42/52 use the same tweeter, with the difference being between the mid driver size. The 62/82 also use the same tweeter as each other (not the same as the 42/52), which is a much better tweeter than in the 42/52, but again the difference is in the mid driver's size.

Also, its very important that you provide sufficient and quality power. The Klipsch speakers have a high sensitivity rating, but that is mainly because the tweeters are horn loaded. It tends not to give the whole picture, as the mid bass drivers are nowhere near as sensitive as the tweeters. So what tends to happen is that when they're not given enough power, the tweeters play just fine, but the mid bass can't keep up, so the end result is the speakers sound excessively bright and harsh.

I reccomend at least 100watts continuous at 0.08%THD or better. And remember its also safe to go over on the power by a bit, so running a 200w/channel amp with the speakers when they're 150w rated will be just fine, as long as you're not trying to run things at 100% volume.

Edit: Also, almost forgot. You will absolutely want a decent sub. Regardless of what people say, short of $20k/pr floorstanders with true dedicated subwoofers built into them, the majority of floorstanders are incapable of producing robust bass. For example, the 62's are rated down to 38hz, but they do it anemically and with no authority. The moment i integrated a sub and crossed over the speakers at 60hz its opened the soundstage up and sounded absolutely fantastic.

Awesome thanks!

In my opinion there is no such thing as overkill, and you would do VERY well with the RF-82s.

if you guys had to compare the KLF-30 speakers and the comparable KLF-C7 center channel....

What would you compare it to now? RF-82's? 62's?
Rc-62? Rc-82?

Just curious as I haven't heard any of the new lines.

According to Klipsch, the KLF-30 would be equivalent to an RF-83, give or take. Personally i doubt it sounds anywhere as good as the 83 does being as we're talking 10 years of difference in engineering, but im sure its a great speaker.

the KLF-C7 is roughly equivalent to an RC-64/RC-62

I have been out of the game for awhile and was hoping all you kind souls
could bring me up to speed.

I currently have RF3 II's for fronts.
Are these still any good?
Are ALL of Klipsch speakers now better?
What would be comparable now?

MY center is a SC-1.
I am kickin around the idea of replacing it with a RC-10 to be a better match with the RF3 II fronts.

Current setup:
Apartment living room is 18x12.
Fronts are RF-3 II
Center is SC-1
Rears are Bose 201's
Sub is an Infinity ($400 when new back in 2000)
Receiver is a Pioneer 1019AH
Optoma Projector


Future Plan:
In 1.5 - 2.5 years be in a house.
Likely move my "current setup" into a bedroom, or second room.
Then go nuts on a home theater. (but this may take awhile depending on $ situation)

Basically, trying to figure out if it is worth replacing the center? Replacing the rears as well? If my current setup is likely as good as anything new I would get from Klispsch to just make it my "go nuts" home theater once I move, in which case may factor into upgrading the center/rears decision.

The RC-52 is considered the minimum equivalent to your current center channel, at least according to klipsch:

http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/sc-1-similar/

If I were to sell my pair of RF-7s, one RC-7, and a pair of RS-7s, how much do you think I could sell them for? What is their value today?

I own KLF 20s paired with the KLF-C7 and they sound every bit as good if not better than the lower end Reference line, imo. The KLF-20/30 are 3-way speakers (mid range tweeter) and were made in Hope Arkansas, whereas the others you mentioned were not.

As others have said, the newer RF-83s are more "laid back" and not has detailed (imo) in their highs as the previous RF-7s so the later would be more like your KLF-30s and it would come down to preference as to which you would prefer between KLF 30s, RF-7s and RF-83.

Insofar as center channels go, I prefer the dynamics and clarity of my RC-7 to the KLF-C7, but both blend well with their appropriate mains, and the RC-64 does a good job with the RF-83s that I've heard.

people need to stop sleeping on the WF's the 34's might not perform with great reviews but my 35's take anything i throw at them and keep it clean clear and crisp... nothing harsh with the highs at all either.

i have found audio heaven with my setup. and I have a sc-05

http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/product...3192%3b2204%3b


unless you have actually played with these speakers then quit trying to call them BB look good speakers that are marked up.

how far are you from west haven utah?

I don't know what they would be worth but please let us know if you find a price and are going to sell them!

Although no longer in production, the RC-3 II iwsa probably the proper center to pair with RF-3 II's... I found a bunch and bought one on craigslist a couple years ago to pair with my RF3s... if you don't want to buy used, call Klipsch and ask what out of their current offerings would pair best... very important to properly match C to LR...

I thought it was the Synergy line that was made for BB to sell with a high markup.

Most of Klipsch lines are a good value at their various price points (I can't say for sure on the Palladiums but can't imagine they are THAT much better than their competitors at that price).

That being said, look at the specs in paranormalg35's link and it is obvious that just as customers are concerned with footprint size, so is Klipsch about shipping costs from China and how many units can fit in a given cargo space along with the weight factor.

Imo, the new generation of tractrix horn tweeters in the WF series will compete with the mid level Reference line (with a sub), but the dynamics of a "box" speaker with substance, weight, and larger LF drivers is still a strong competitor insofar as SQ is concerned. {Edit: I still think Klipsch will do away with the Reference line as we know it today because of the public's desire for a smaller footprint along side their flat TVs, and as they add more speakers.}

I hope you are wrong Zen. If that turns out to be the case that Klipsch cows to the smaller is cuter mantra I'll be sorely disappointed and sure many feel similarly.

Finally got to hear a pair of 83s. Simply awesome.
Alas out of my price range. ;{
If only my work carried the Ref. series, perhaps I should work for RC Willey for a month or two...

Best Regards
KvE

Have you heard the RF-7? If so, what were your impressions of the RF-7 and the RF-83? Which do you prefer? Lastly, have you heard KEF or Dynaudio speakers? How would you rate them against Klipsch?

Just in case anyone is interested, Klipsch appears to be bringing back the RF-7.

http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/product...rf-7-overview/

Unfortunately I don't see a matching center or surrounds listed, but maybe they're coming. We'll have to watch and see.

Wow, interesting.

I wonder how they are going to price it.

5 (or 7) of them match each other quite well.

Pricing is shown on the page I linked at $1,100 each.


They certainly would.