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post #61 of 141
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Originally Posted by 3mentina View Post


I hope somebody can tell us how good sound images through VP20.

I am not sure what your question is. If you are asking about the audio path, it is the same as what is on the VP30. If you are asking about the video quality, it is the same as a VP30 (and both support the ABT102).

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A question: does VP20 support 720p@60 Hz output when input is 50Hz?

Sure.
post #62 of 141
Thank you Josh, now I have zero doubts on the processor to buy.
post #63 of 141
Thread Starter 
v1.01 Software is now available for the iScan VP20 here: http://www.dvdo.com/update/vp20_1-01.php

Release 1.01 of our iScan VP20 software contains the following new features:

Added Output Gamma Correction
The Output Gamma can be adjusted to any value between 0.6 and 2.5. The default setting on this parameter is 1.0, typically referred to as Linear'.

Added 8 more Test Patterns

Full Field Black
Full Field White
Full Field Red
Full Field Blue
Full Field Green
Full Field Cyan
Full Field Magenta
Full Field Yellow
Added Panorama' Feature
Non-linear stretch can now be applied to a 4:3 signal so that it will fill a 16:9 screen with minimal perceptual distortion in the center of the screen. This mode can be turned On' or Off' in the Input Aspect Ratio submenu. Additionally this feature can be accessed in the IAR presets and it is titled 4:3 Stretch'.

Six Additional Output Format presets:

848x480, 1:1 timing for NEC 42 plasmas
1024x768, 1:1 timing for NEC 42 plasmas
(In addition to the existing 1024x768 VESA format)
1360x768, 1:1 timing for Fujitsu 50 plasmas
1360x768, 1:1 timing for NEC 50 plasmas
1366x768, 1:1 timing for Panasonic 50 plasmas
(In addition to the existing 1366x768 format)
1365x768, 1:1 timing for NEC 50 and 61 plasmas
Added Output Color Space Indicator to Info' Screen
The chosen output color space is now displayed in the Info' screen.

Added Audio Format Indicator to Info' Screen.
The audio signal that is detected on the selected audio input is now displayed in the Info' screen.

Added Automation Command for Info' Screen
The Info' screen can now be turned on and off with a discrete automation control. (0xA5). 0=off. 1=on

This software version also addresses and corrects the following bugs:

In case of invalid input signal the SPDIF transmitter wasn't set to mute mode.

Added SiI9031 interrupt monitor to address the audio motorboating issue.

When info screen was turned on via the remote it stayed on screen forever or until the Exit' button was pressed.

Made the test pattern generator (TPG) more consistent across reboots, i.e. fixed problem where TPG shows up across power cycles.

Changed the EDID Extended table so that it is more compatible with the audio features of some DVD and HD-DVD players. The correct audio output format selection for HD-DVD players is 'Bitstream', if you are using the optical/coaxial digital audio output.

"4:3" and "16:9" remote control button select corresponding profile.

Switching Improvement: Make sure that automatic input controls like Color Space or AR are set correctly, before picture is enabled.
post #64 of 141
Does anyone have an idea on how well the VP20 or 30 will perform with a Panasonic PT-L500U front projector? Its 720P native and @ 91".

Might be asking a bit too much but trying anyway.
post #65 of 141
I have a few questions.

1: How welll does this handel old Console games that are 420P?
I have heard that there are speed issues with this, is there a fix for it?

Anyone who is using this, with game mode 1 on, how does the image look? and How is the lag(Noticable, or not)?
post #66 of 141
1. I shouldn't worry about this, unless response time is an issue (processors add delay to the video stream!).

2. You can use game modes to make it run quicker, at the expense of lower than optimal PQ.
post #67 of 141
This is probably a dumb question, but I've searched through the threads and I don't see it addressed. Can the VP20 be used with a Cablecard? Or would I have to ditch the CC and replace it with an STB if I wanted to use the video processor?
post #68 of 141
I assume a cablecard is one of those standardised cards that you stick in a TV to give it additional tuning capability?

In which case, unless the TV has a video output that you can use to then route through the vp20 and back to the TV again (which probably won't work anyway) then definitely need a STB.
post #69 of 141
I'm quite surprised that there are no VP-20 B-Stock units on DVDO's Web Site . Can this mean that no one is trading their units in for VP-30's or VP-50's ? Interesting .

Scott......................
post #70 of 141
I have a Denon DVD-1920 and Samsung HL-S6187W DLP. Both have built in scalers/video processors. I only watch DVD's, I don't have cable, satellite, OTA, etc. The DVD's are about 50/50 between movies and old (mostly 1.33:1) TV shows.

I've noticed that the film to DVD transfer has a lot to do with how it looks overall. Shows that start out good in HD can suffer from bad transfers, like Grey's Anatomy or look great like Rome.

Will I see a significant improvement by installing an iScan VPXX?

Thanks,
Rocky
post #71 of 141
slksc,

the VP20 does not contain a tuner. You'll need to get a cablecard compatible tuner and pass along the video through the VP20 in order to get it to work.
post #72 of 141
Hey Josh,
Small project custom integrator here. Specifying a library presentation/meeting room. Looking at scaling switches as a way to simplify cable run(s), simplify user interface and improve picture consistency. 1080P capability, digital audio switching etc... are not an immediate concern here. Sources will include analog (PC for power point - internet access- DVD playback and VCR for legacy materials) and perhaps an HDMI equipped cable box. Display to be a 50 plasma most probably (non 1080P). Could you comment briefly on advantages, (if any in this situation), to specifying a VP20 over Iscan HD+?
Thanks
post #73 of 141
Thread Starter 
I am looking for Beta testers for the upcoming VP20 release that integrates the audio fixes that have been added to the VP50 in v1.01. If you are interested, please send me an email (Josh@anchorbaytech.com), with 'VP20 Beta Testing' in the subject line. This testing will be prior to the public release on our website.
post #74 of 141
Thread Starter 
Beta software version 1.02 is now available for the iScan VP20 here: http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support...wnloads/vp.php

This pre-release version of our software addresses and corrects the following bugs:

-Fixed intermittent audio drop-outs due to sources with high-jitter (completely new audio logic).
-Added HDMI Output Audio Mute routine to avoid pops and noise bursts while audio format is being determined.
-Changed HDMI output configuration routine to remove potential of audio output lock-up in the HDMI transmitter under certain conditions.

post #75 of 141
I have the VP20 and I am loving it so far. Few issues though I need help with. Maybe I'm missing something but here goes. (please see attachment for ref.)

1.) I am having issues with 1080p output. The VP20's menus seem to be getting cut off at the left hand top of the screen. I lose 2-3 letters from the left.

2.) I cannot out put 1080p 1:1 pixel mapping from the HTPC, I get the "shakes" on the bottom of open any open windows. this happens only when going through the VP20.

3.)See below regarding sound issues. again only through the VP20.

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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

-Fixed intermittent audio drop-outs due to sources with high-jitter.

I have issues with sound on my OPPO 981 via HDMI to the VP20. Sometimes there is no audio sometimes there is audio. Not drops but off on type thing when I power it up. All other inputs have no issues. Any thoughts? I don't think the OPPO has Jitter...does it??

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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo View Post

--Changed HDMI output configuration routine to remove potential of audio output lock-up in the HDMI transmitter under certain conditions.

Maybe this is the issues I am having. LOCK-UP ?? please see attached layout of my theater. Does anything stand out as a problem?

BTW: I am installing the ABT120 this week end I have been too busy to do it. Will this fix my "Family GUY" Black lines issues. I get tearing of the lines @ all resolutions. This actually occurs with all cartoon type animation, and I need my Anime' !!!!
LL
post #76 of 141
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Originally Posted by snuffy1pro View Post

2.) I cannot out put 1080p 1:1 pixel mapping from the HTPC, I get the "shakes" on the bottom of open any open windows. this happens only when going through the VP20.

This could be your problem.

I recently emailed DVDO tech support about 1080p passthru.
June 8, 2007:
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...the VP20 will be able to pass thru a 1080P signal by
way of a upcoming Firmware update. Currently it cannot pass thru a
1080P signal, but within a few weeks we should be releasing firmware
that will address this...

I very much need this ability as well.

Can anyone get any additional information on this firmware release?
post #77 of 141
Thank you very much javier911, I am trying to pass through the PC so I can get 1:1 pixel Mapping to the Epson Home 1080. Looks like a solution is on the way from DVDO. The sound issues seem to have been taken care of last night with the v1.00 to v1.02 upgrade. Cannot wait till I can get the 1080P pass through. I do still get 1080i but have the jitter issue with open windows, and the menu cut off on the left??? Josh are you around?? Or hanging out with the vp50 crowd?

LW

Patience...
post #78 of 141
I'm having trouble setting up my new VP20 with a Sony KDF-E50A10 (720p LCD projection TV), and I was hoping Josh or someone might have some suggestions.

I started off with the Frame/Geometry Test Pattern and the output set to 720p 60hz, but the overscan seems huge and cuts off a large amount of the screen. An H-shift setting of 189 puts the right edge white line just barely off-screen, while a setting of 241 does the same for the left edge (putting the middle around 215). The situation is similar vertically, but I can't shift the picture far enough to see the top and bottom arrows without losing vertical hold (was rather amusing...haven't seen that in years).

I had assumed that 720p would give a reasonable image on my TV, though I was aware that I probably couldn't get 1-1 pixel mapping via HDMI. Are there any options at this point, such as working with DVDO on a format for this TV or some service menu options for the A10? Analog output (such as the VP30 has) isn't an option because my sole use is for DVDs and HDCP would preclude outputing 720p over analog. Using component input to a VP30 might get around this, but my understanding is that I would lose automatic aspect ratio detection for anamorphic discs. That's a very handy feature and not something I'd like to give up (no idea why that isn't an option for component input...my TV can detect it when I use component).

Thank you in advance.
post #79 of 141
Some additional problems I've noticed:

No deinterlacing options when the source is my DVD player over HDMI (Onkyo DV-CP704). The player can't send 480i over HDMI so I have to set it to 480p. Isn't Anchor Bay's VRS Technology supposed to be able to reinterlace and then deinterlace? They call it "Progressive Reprocessing" (PRep)...a simple operation but it doesn't seem to be working.

No audio when the source is my DVD player over HDMI. If I set my player to "All" I get absolutely nothing. If I set my player to "PCM" I get audio that literally stutters more than it plays via the HDMI out to my TV, and nothing via the optical audio out to my receiver. The "PCM downmixing" setting doesn't change anything.

Using component and the coax audio connection for input from my player works better. The "PCM" setting gives me 2.1 channel audio via both the optical and the HDMI out. Using "All" gives me 5.1 audio via optical and no sound via HDMI, but is this setting still getting the proper audio delay? The info screen says the input is "Input 3, Dolby Dig."

(Ironically the lack of HDMI audio is a plus for me, because my next request would have been for a way to turn off HDMI audio...I use the receiver exclusively when watching things via the VP20 but I need the TV speakers left on for the other TV inputs.)

Unfortunately, using component means I lose auto AR detection. I know that might seem like a minor feature, but it isn't the button click that bothers me. I tend to watch a lot of anime, and R1 companies don't always bother to label the disc AR on the packaging. Deducing AR by watching might be easy with live-action, but it's a lot harder with animation and I spend a lot of time trying to look for something round to gauge by.

Josh, any chance you guys could look into adding the ability to detect AR from component input? I can't speak for other DVD players, but mine sends the right singal every time and I'd love to have it auto-detected. It could be made optional just like the HDMI version if other people have trouble with it.
post #80 of 141
Hi,

I've just got a new Panasonic 50" 720p monitor + VP20 + ABT102D that will be mostly used for viewing DVDs (region 1 & 2), and PAL TV SD. The monitor has a component input, and I added an additonal HDMI board to it (to connect to the VP20).

Today I can still "upgrade" my order to VP30 (instead of the VP20), for additional 300$, but can't make up my mind whether its worth it (I have read the comparison table at Anchor Bay website). On one hand I've already stretched my budget, so don't want to spend 300$ if there is no real benefit. On the other hand, I don't want to kick myself in the butt in two month after realizing I should have gotten the VP30 for "only" 300$ more

So,
  • Is there any benefit to the VP30 over the VP20 with regards to the Panny 720p (given I have both an HDMI input and Component inputs for the it)
  • Is there any benefit to the VP30 over the VP30 when I'll upgrade my monitor to a 1080p (say in 5 years)?
  • Is there any other benefit to the VP30 if I'll start using a media Streamer or HTPC for HD content?

Thanks,

Amir
post #81 of 141
The only real difference is the SDI Add on and a few more inputs (BNC and HDMI). Other than that they process the same. In 5 years maybe SDI is the standard( doubt it) so you might want to go that way. So to answer your ??'s

1.) No

2.) I have an Epson Home Cinema 1080 now and I use the VP-20. I did not see the need for the VP-30. VP-50 maybe, but not the VP-30.

3.) Check out this link. (my setup) I use a server networked to my HTPC and have no issues. Everything gets scaled to 1080p and looks good. Again no benefit with the VP-30... just more inputs and the SDI option which I would not use.



BTW the ABT-120 is a must have!!! My old Blue Devils videos look awesome again!!
post #82 of 141
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Originally Posted by snuffy1pro View Post

The only real difference is the SDI Add on and a few more inputs (BNC and HDMI). Other than that they process the same. In 5 years maybe SDI is the standard( doubt it) so you might want to go that way. So to answer your ??'s

1.) No

2.) I have an Epson Home Cinema 1080 now and I use the VP-20. I did not see the need for the VP-30. VP-50 maybe, but not the VP-30.

3.) Check out this link. (my setup) I use a server networked to my HTPC and have no issues. Everything gets scaled to 1080p and looks good. Again no benefit with the VP-30... just more inputs and the SDI option which I would not use.



BTW the ABT-120 is a must have!!! My old Blue Devils videos look awesome again!!

Thanks!!

One question thogh - why are you routing the Oppo-981 through the VP-20 - who does the scaling of dvds, the Oppo or the VP-20? Do you get macro-blocking because of the Oppo-981?

This actaully brings another set of qouestions (which dvd player to get). My assumptions are:
  1. I Don't need an up-scaling dvd player (as the VP-20 will do a much better job at it).
  2. I don't need a region free dvd player (VP-20 will change NTSC => PAL just fine).
  3. However, I should get a dvd player with HDMI out (to connect to the VP20).

Am I right? If so, what is a not-too-expensive-yet-good-quality-player that would fit the bill - I was hoping to avoid buying an expesive dvd player after selling a kidney to finance the VP20 - but I do have another one (kidney that is) in good condition...
post #83 of 141
One more questsion regarding VP-20 vs. VP-30

The cable/Sat box I'll be using has only SCART (european) output (no component/DVI/HDVI), what should be the best (and cost efficient) way to connect the cable box to the VP-20 (and does this tips the scale in favor of the VP30).
post #84 of 141
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Originally Posted by amirbd View Post

One question though - why are you routing the Oppo-981 through the VP-20 - who does the scaling of dvds, the Oppo or the VP-20? Do you get macro-blocking because of the Oppo-981?

The VP-20 does the heavy lifting. I got the OPPO with my package from P.P. No issues. I output 480p and let the VP do the rest. I send everything to the VP-20 for ease of switching.

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Originally Posted by amirbd View Post

1.) I Don't need an up-scaling dvd player (as the VP-20 will do a much better job at it).

Correct!!

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Originally Posted by amirbd View Post

2.) I don't need a region free dvd player (VP-20 will change NTSC => PAL just fine).

Not sure here..sorry.

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Originally Posted by amirbd View Post

3.) However, I should get a dvd player with HDMI out (to connect to the VP20).

Component will work too.

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Originally Posted by amirbd View Post

..what is a not-too-expensive-yet-good-quality-player that would fit the bill - I was hoping to avoid buying an expesive dvd player after selling a kidney to finance the VP20 - but I do have another one (kidney that is) in good condition...

Panny's are always good. Just about anything progressive scan will send a decent picture to the VP to mold into

LW
post #85 of 141
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Originally Posted by amirbd View Post

One more questsion regarding VP-20 vs. VP-30

The cable/Sat box I'll be using has only SCART (european) output (no component/DVI/HDVI), what should be the best (and cost efficient) way to connect the cable box to the VP-20 (and does this tips the scale in favor of the VP30).

Scart is analog only and HDMI is digital only so..... hmmm well you're SOL.... J/k, this is out of the UK. Google and I'm sure you will find one in the States. $24 vs $300... no contest. Cross your fingers and hope the adaptor works as advertised.

Scart to Component Adaptor
post #86 of 141
Newbie question here. I have a Panasonic 1080i plasma, HD Satellite, Denon 3910 DVD, and DLO iPod dock. We've been finding ourselves watching more and more content from the iPod, which has miserable video quality. Further, while the Dish HD displays very nicely, non-HD channels are pretty ho-hum.

I was thinking that a reasonable fix would be something like the VP20, but have no experience with external video processors. I'd been eyeing the Meridian iPod dock as a viable alternative, but it seems they haven't taken action since announcing it.

Please help. Is the VP20 something that makes sense? Should I be looking at other models? Any assistance appreciated.

- Ken
post #87 of 141
Good question Krubin..... short answer yes... the VP-20 is a great machine to scale your Standard definition TV err ipod.

There is a slight catch though. Because the Dlo only outputs via S-video, ( s-video will only send a 480i 576i res. picture) you would be wise to purchase, along with the VP-20, the ABT 102 add in deinterlacer card. Yes, I know there is composite but come on.. are we really considering using it???

I have the ABT 102 and it really makes SD look like DVD's or better!! Regarding other models you are not really getting any benefit as the higher end models will scale HD 1080p sources. If you are happy with your HD sources then there is no reason to go to a higher model. They have other features but.... from your post you will not need them.

So to sum up.
1.) Purchase the VP-20
2.) Add the ABT 102 for SD 480i sources..(ipod, VHS Tape player, heck everyone has a nintendo sitting around) to look like DVDs or better.
3.) You Are enjoying the wonderful HD content flowing through Dish so use the vp-20 to scale the 480p/720p to 1080i
4.) Finally when you buy a 1080p TV/projector you will be able to (coming real soon) pass 1080p sources through the VP-20 to your new TV/Projector.

Hope this ramble makes sense. Please see the attached doc for video formats.
LL
post #88 of 141
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Originally Posted by snuffy1pro View Post

4.) Finally when you buy a 1080p TV/projector you will be able to (coming real soon) pass 1080p sources through the VP-20 to your new TV/Projector.

How confident are you that they will release that firmware upgrade and it will work properly?
post #89 of 141
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post #90 of 141
Right off let me say I don't want to have this thread morph into a Panasonic vs. Pioneer debate but I'm considering the purchase of either the new Pioneer PDP-5080HD or the Panasonic TH-50PH9 or 10UK (when available). Both are 768p and 50". I'm replacing a 42" 1024x1024 Hitachi plasma that is about 4 1/2 years old. Here is the rub: the cost of the Pioneer is very close to the cost of the Panasonic and a VP20.

What are the relative benefits of adding a VP20 to the Panasonic commercial monitor versus the consumer Pioneer alone?

Let me say in advance I appreciate folks with video processors sharing their insights and experiences so I can make an informed choice.
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