OLED TVs: Technology Advancements Thread - Page 52

Certain plasmas do switch the pixel off if there's no incoming data

Actually, this happens with my Pioneer KRP-500m. If there's no input signal, then it will go into a state (after 2-3 minutes) where there's basically no light / very little heat output. It is basically "off" but the power LED is still on.

But I guess Nielo TM is still wrong because plasmas can't turn off individual pixels.

The honchos are talking about OLED panels no larger than 55 inches by 2015. Meanwhile LCD makers are well aware of OLED and are continuing to refine and enlarge LCD panels.

I speculate that by 2015 we will be able to get 3rd generation 72 inch 3D LCDs for $2,000.

The fact that much of the production of OLED is going to be for cell phones is also not really inspiring.

It's used there to test & refine the tech and most cell phone users/buyers don't mind the color drift as they throw the phones away after two years anyway.
When it's ready for prime time the "LCD makers" will *happily* sell you OLED - as they are the same companies that are doing the R&D on OLED.

Samsung's CEO, for example, said that there'll be no OLED-TV market unless the manufacturers create one - and they will do exactly do that if it is profitable for them.

Right now they are consolidating themselves after the financial crisis, however, and they are not willing to do big experiments in 2010 and 2011. That's one reason you still see many CCFL-sets, a lot of edge-lit LED-LCDs, less full-LED LCDs with local dimming (more expensive to produce) and 3D as a by-product in sets with a fast enough panel (which are basically on the market since 2008).

I'm not even convinced that OLED will hit the mass market in 2015. Perhaps the enthusiast lines with sets above $3000 (for 46+") will be switched to OLED?

Existing OLED displays are built using LCD style backplanes... so despite the phosphorescent materials used in some OLEDs, they are akin to LCDs.

@Benny

Well... IFA 2010 in September, and CES 2011 in January, and other trade shows will show where the trends are...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...D_Monitor.html

I know no price talk but... any takers? If I had $3k to burn, I would!

Oh wow

Samsung's Super-AMOLED "key engineer" now works for LG, companies in legal battle

07/18/2010
One of Samsung's "key engineers", who was involved with the development of Super-AMOLED displays is now working to LG. Samsung is suing him - one of the terms of his employment was that he can't work for a rival company for 2 years after he leaves Samsung.

via the KoreaTimes

Technically, you both are correct. The 9G kuros (without a signal) eventually will shut off the pixels after about 30 or so seconds.

I don't know how long I can tolerate PDP and LCDs. Everywhere I look, all I see are problems.

Also the life of the pizels is a prob they need to work around i carnt see oleds being mainstream to 2018 - 2020

You are looking to hard then, sit back and enjoy what is available until OLED comes out, if it ever does. Seen to many predictions about how LCD and PDP will become obsolete when SED or OLED hits and we all know what happened to SED.....

While OLED is a better bet than SED, IMO there are still to many issues with the lifetimes of the materials (blue especially) to put them out there in a mass commercial release. Otherwise it would have happened already.

Since I review TVs during my spare time, it's very difficult for me not to be analytical. Sometimes ignorance is bliss

From earlier posts in this thread, it seems to me that there has been a lot of progress on the blue lifespan problem.

My guess is that the iPhone released in 2011 or 2012 will have an OLED screen. Based on nothing but pulling it outta
thin air.

Doubtful, the OLED production capacity isn't there.

As it is, they can't produce enough iPhone 4s.

They're not going to bet their next model on a component which has immature manufacturing technology.

Hopefully someone will announce a breakthrough in printing soon

Progress marches on. And Apple money might be quite an incentive. Talk about kick starting investment, to have your product touted in millions upon millions of iPhones.

Anyway, they are producing very large numbers of OLEDs today. Some, I hear, went into PDAs as well as cell phones, so they can certainly already produce the size required. And certainly there will be further advances.

Had a feeling this might happen:


http://www.oled-info.com/nanomarkets...n-revenue-2015

And thus even the term "OLED TV" will become ambiguous. We'll have LCD TV's, LCD LED TV's, LCD OLED TV's, and "real" OLED TV's. I pity the uninformed consumer in 2015.

OLED died like 5 years ago. Old Flip phones with 2 screens ie one on top most likely was an OLED on top.

AMOLED have a nice comeback. I think commercially the first priority would be to capture the handset and notebook market before we talk about TVs. These 2 are more energy conscience and subject to uncontrollable ambient lighting

In tech nothing is certain about its future. But without marketing and pricing, certainly u are nothing

I think you meant PMOLED is dead

Or did you mean PMPDP.... PM being the only kind....

Yes it was simply called OLED in the past. Only samsung SDI persisted with the technology and developed AMOLED. Now it is a JV with Samsung Electronics to share the capex. Samsung Electronics is using AMOLED as a differentiation in the handset market and there are shortages now. Even HTC need to switch back to TFT. with their capex plans it is unlikely that TV will be commercialized for the MASS market in the next 5 years

Hi folks,

On "ngadgit hd" there's info that LG is showing a 31" OLED tv at IFA Berlin fair.
The 31" tv looks exactly like LG's 15 -incher. I hope it means that the 31-incher will hit stores this December in South Korea and the rest of the world in May/June next year.

LG Display just started OLED production with low yield. Don't keep your hopes too high on prototypes Samsung Mobile Display just started ramping their new 5.5G fab 2 months earlier than schedule for 30m per month capacity in 2H11 vs 3m currently due to high demand. but I think even a 10" panel would be at least $2000 still hence not likely the next ipad will be OLED.

The rumors are that the 7" Samsung Tablet will feature an AMOLED screen and this should be out in the next few months at a competitive price. A 5.5G fab should certainly be able to sell a 10" (and likely even something in the 15" range) for a decent price. The only question is when Samsung will devote capacity to larger displays when they still have so much unfilled demand in the handset market.

Slacker

Based on chi mei innolux's only 5.5G TFT fab in the industry, the optimal size possible is 32". Let's see the pricing for samsung"s tablet and specs since everyone now are ipad wannabes laptops are natural progression from handsets nonethess and years before desktop adoption, not to mention TVs.

Very unlikely (0.01%!) for the Samsung Galaxy Tab to have a 7" OLED screen. If so, they'd be handcuffing themselves in terms of supply. Also, they wouldn't be able to make it cost under $1000.

Yes it is a prototype, as much of a prototype as the 15-incher was half a year before it landed in shops in South Korea.