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post #3811 of 5879
3/17/12 at 7:53am
SED failed because of patent problems.

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Korean betting on it doesn't mean OLED will become a mass product.
It is still highly likely OLED will follow the step of SED. Bad money usually drives out good.
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post #3812 of 5879
3/17/12 at 1:36pm
http://whylgtv.lge.com/archives/4399

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With our technology, screen sizes from 47-inches to 80-inches are currently possible, and we're just getting started.

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post #3813 of 5879
3/20/12 at 7:53pm
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What makes no sense to me is that, as far as I know, the OLED technology is all about per-pixel brightness, what I mean is that since the light source is the pixel itself and not a backlight source, if the pixel is OFF or presenting 0/0/0/0 color (pure black) it should produce no light at all, so why is that pattern still so visible?

Pixels are mostly off BUT you need to remember that the TF transistors that drive the display aren't perfect. There is always a small amount of leakage of power through the transistors. Any leakage will cause faint glow. Since they are coated on to the glass any variance in the glass, coating etc will be enough to cause a pattern. After you get past a certain voltage the transistors get past a threshold and even out. This is why when you get passed a certain brightness level the spots dissappear.

Every OLED device I have owned or seen has this glow effect (as far back as the Zune HD). The best ones I have seen don't have the darker blotches but still glow faintly. Those that glow even and without blotches are rare and vary from unit to unit even of the same type.

That said look at an LCD screen in a dark room. It has tons of light bleed that is MUCH brighter than that OLED glow. The blotches? Well manufacturing practices will need to improve, and they aren't there yet.
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post #3814 of 5879
3/20/12 at 8:10pm
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Me too. I am not super set on that larger blue subpixel Sammy will have to use seems like it will make a blue shift in the colors.

Well no. If the blue pixel is bigger they can just tune the display to deliver less voltage to it compared to other pixels. They can balance the blue with the other subpixels with an algorythm. This means that they can drive the blue easier and it will last longer. That will help with blue burn-in and color shift over time.
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post #3815 of 5879
3/20/12 at 8:17pm
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If people want to see what OLED is all about and get a preview for OLED TV, go and drop $249 on a Playstation Vita. It uses a Samsung OLED panel (RGB triplets) and is slightly higher resolution than Sony's XEL-1, but in a 5" size instead of 11", and is simply gorgeous! PS Vita Get!

Or get the largest available to consumer OLED screen in the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 (although beware it also has the black blotches like Vita and phones etc). At almost 8" you could almost watch movies on this thing (but yes it is more than double the price for wifi version import). It is a 1.4 GHz dual core CPU with 1 GB RAM. It is higher resolution than the Vita (1280 x 800 so you can do 720 P), can use standard Micro SD cards up to 64 GB as well. The thing I don't like about the Vita are the EXPENSIVE proprietary memory cards. I mean $100.00 for 32 GB? What a ripoff. I can get a 32 GB standard micro SD for $30.00.

I have compared this tab to the Vita and the screen seems to go brighter on the Tab. I think they limited the brightness on the Vita a bit.
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post #3816 of 5879
3/20/12 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by HDPeeT View Post

http://whylgtv.lge.com/archives/4399

It's a cool piece, a bit more hype-y than necessary. But I like them putting it out there that they're doing this. Further signaling they believe the time is ripe.

Sounds like my 80" display should be ready around 2015-16 or so.
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post #3817 of 5879
3/21/12 at 3:22am
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Or get the largest available to consumer OLED screen in the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 (although beware it also has the black blotches like Vita and phones etc)

http://www.lg.com/uk/tv-audio-video/...v-15EL9500.jsp
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post #3818 of 5879
3/21/12 at 8:17am
I cant vouch for the source, but somebody named Matthew Angeleri from CEC (should be SEC?) gives some details on Samsung's OLED launch.

http://consumerelectronicsdaily.com/...-OLED-TVs.aspx

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Samsung to Have Full Production of 55-Inch OLED TV
By Mark Seavy

Samsung will be in full production of its 55-inch OLED TV when shipments begin in the second half targeting national, regional and specialty CE retailers, Matthew Angeleri, CEC manager for content and product solutions, told us.

He later says that the set will be consistent with the price of the company's other high-end products. You need to register to read the full article but you can use a fake email address (no verification of the address). There are also a ton of details on various LCD launches which seem to lend the entire article credibility.

I was pretty bullish on OLED's in televisions but the hype coming out of LG and Samsung is getting crazy.
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post #3819 of 5879
3/21/12 at 11:02am
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Or get the largest available to consumer OLED screen in the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 (although beware it also has the black blotches like Vita and phones etc). At almost 8" you could almost watch movies on this thing (but yes it is more than double the price for wifi version import). It is a 1.4 GHz dual core CPU with 1 GB RAM. It is higher resolution than the Vita (1280 x 800 so you can do 720 P), can use standard Micro SD cards up to 64 GB as well. The thing I don't like about the Vita are the EXPENSIVE proprietary memory cards. I mean $100.00 for 32 GB? What a ripoff. I can get a 32 GB standard micro SD for $30.00.

I have compared this tab to the Vita and the screen seems to go brighter on the Tab. I think they limited the brightness on the Vita a bit.

The Tab would work too! However, it doesn't play PS Vita games...

Yeah, the screen rez of the Vita is quarter 1080p, and not 720p, but that's fine considering it's built as a gaming system... Look at the iPad 3... it's screen has too many pixels to fill... iPad 4 please!

OT: Yes, the proprietary memory cards for gaming systems have never been a "value" compared to general flash storage... so a direct comparison is misleading. The pack in 8GB with the 3G model is a good value though. I recently purchased a 32GB Class 10 SD card for $28, so I'm well aware of the absurd price structure... Sony has to make money some how, right?
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post #3820 of 5879
3/21/12 at 12:27pm
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I cant vouch for the source, but somebody named Matthew Angeleri from CEC (should be SEC?) gives some details on Samsung's OLED launch.

http://consumerelectronicsdaily.com/...-OLED-TVs.aspx



He later says that the set will be consistent with the price of the company's other high-end products. You need to register to read the full article but you can use a fake email address (no verification of the address). There are also a ton of details on various LCD launches which seem to lend the entire article credibility.

I was pretty bullish on OLED's in televisions but the hype coming out of LG and Samsung is getting crazy.

Agreed on the hype. It does seem to be a game of daily press-chatter one upmanship.

By the way, my guess is CEC = consumer electronics channel.
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post #3821 of 5879
3/21/12 at 6:51pm


Here's the production lines coming online from Samsung, timeline and all.

V1 V2 are OLED TV displays.

A3 are flex OLED for mobile units.

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Originally Posted by slacker711 View Post

I cant vouch for the source, but somebody named Matthew Angeleri from CEC (should be SEC?) gives some details on Samsung's OLED launch.

http://consumerelectronicsdaily.com/...-OLED-TVs.aspx



He later says that the set will be consistent with the price of the company's other high-end products. You need to register to read the full article but you can use a fake email address (no verification of the address). There are also a ton of details on various LCD launches which seem to lend the entire article credibility.

I was pretty bullish on OLED's in televisions but the hype coming out of LG and Samsung is getting crazy.
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post #3822 of 5879
3/21/12 at 7:42pm
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The Tab would work too! However, it doesn't play PS Vita games...

Yeah, the screen rez of the Vita is quarter 1080p, and not 720p, but that's fine considering it's built as a gaming system... Look at the iPad 3... it's screen has too many pixels to fill... iPad 4 please!

OT: Yes, the proprietary memory cards for gaming systems have never been a "value" compared to general flash storage... so a direct comparison is misleading. The pack in 8GB with the 3G model is a good value though. I recently purchased a 32GB Class 10 SD card for $28, so I'm well aware of the absurd price structure... Sony has to make money some how, right?

Well not playing Vita games is a bonus! The ones I have played are crap so far Well Ok maybe a bit harsh and kind of joking but I own one and I am waiting for the better stuff. I wasn't too impressed with the launch stuff. I have a 3DS too and the launch games for that weren't all that great either. I have that Uncharted game. Nice graphics demo other than that it is gimmicky and kind of meh. I am sure better stuff will come. I like FPS's so that Resistance will be nice when it is out.

I wish they would have avoided the proprietary part altogether. At least the 3DS can use standard SD cards. Making money is OK but Vita memory is extortion (since you MUST buy a card to save a game)! I didn't buy the 3G version as I have no intention to pay another cell bill.

Movies do look great on the Tab 7.7 though too. I ripped my 2001 Blu-ray and encoded it at 1280 wide and that looks pretty stunning on the OLED with all of the high contrast space scenes. I imagine even the ipad 3 "retina" screen won't match the contrast and black levels.
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post #3823 of 5879
3/23/12 at 2:27am
Launch at Cannes in May


LG Electronics, May come, make an appearance in the market of TV (organic light-emitting diode) 55 inch OLED for the first time in the whole world. That price is 9,000,000 won. The first stage to meet with LG OLED TV market, the French Film Festival will be held Kang Ida. LG Electronics, a strategy that seize the initiative in the OLED TV market with the launch of the product a step ahead from competitors. LG is planning to do that OLED TV promotion all over the world, starting between.

LG Electronics has decided to release the second half of the period originally OLED TV. However, in order to (May 12 to 8 July 27) London Olympics to enjoy the effects of acquisition leading market special, based on management's judgment that must be sold earlier than its competitors, release date he was ahead of schedule in May. Samsung Electronics has announced it will release a 55-inch OLED TV before the Olympics in London.

LG Group chairman Koo BonMu this, and show affection for the OLED TV. May be ordered Koo "increase the speed of research and development. I want you to accelerate further the timing of the release in order to lead the market OLED TV, I want you to accelerate the commercialization time" recently, and. Representation that it will keep pace with competitors only OLED.

Out that the speed of production, also LG OLED display panel to provide electronic LG. Paju LG Display plant employees are preparing to build products in Chon'umuuru frugal.

According to the search display market research organization, is OLED TV market is expected to grow by 3.68 million units in 2015 from 570,000 in 2013, 11,930,000 units in 2017.

--translated from google.
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post #3824 of 5879
3/23/12 at 4:41am
9,000,000 South Korean won = 7928.1180 US dollars

Is this a press release from LG?

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Launch at Cannes in May

LG Electronics, May come, make an appearance in the market of TV (organic light-emitting diode) 55 inch OLED for the first time in the whole world. That price is 9,000,000 won. The first stage to meet with LG OLED TV market, the French Film Festival will be held Kang Ida. LG Electronics, a strategy that seize the initiative in the OLED TV market with the launch of the product a step ahead from competitors. LG is planning to do that OLED TV promotion all over the world, starting between.

LG Electronics has decided to release the second half of the period originally OLED TV. However, in order to (May 12 to 8 July 27) London Olympics to enjoy the effects of acquisition leading market special, based on management's judgment that must be sold earlier than its competitors, release date he was ahead of schedule in May. Samsung Electronics has announced it will release a 55-inch OLED TV before the Olympics in London.

LG Group chairman Koo BonMu this, and show affection for the OLED TV. May be ordered Koo "increase the speed of research and development. I want you to accelerate further the timing of the release in order to lead the market OLED TV, I want you to accelerate the commercialization time" recently, and. Representation that it will keep pace with competitors only OLED.

Out that the speed of production, also LG OLED display panel to provide electronic LG. Paju LG Display plant employees are preparing to build products in Chon'umuuru frugal.

According to the search display market research organization, is OLED TV market is expected to grow by 3.68 million units in 2015 from 570,000 in 2013, 11,930,000 units in 2017.

--translated from google.
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post #3825 of 5879
3/23/12 at 6:11am
Here is an article in English talking about LG possibly launching at Cannes (starting May 16th).

http://people.incruit.com/news/newsv...&newsno=974001

This is definitely not official. There will be widespread coverage when LG puts out an official date and price for the launch. My WAG is that LG had some sort of event where officials may have talked off the record.
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post #3826 of 5879
3/23/12 at 10:35am


LG introduced the world's biggest OLED 3D TV at a launch event for new products in Beijing on tuesday. The 55 inch TV produces vivid and bright images on its organic light emitting diode display
http://1platinumconcierge.blogspot.c...d-tv-with.html
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post #3827 of 5879
3/23/12 at 11:14am
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Here is an article in English talking about LG possibly launching at Cannes (starting May 16th).

http://people.incruit.com/news/newsv...&newsno=974001

This is definitely not official. There will be widespread coverage when LG puts out an official date and price for the launch. My WAG is that LG had some sort of event where officials may have talked off the record.

Perhaps, and yet more credence is certainly being lent to the notion of an $8000 price.
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post #3828 of 5879
3/23/12 at 11:20am
The LG OLED 55" TV will have model number LG EM9600 in the US, and model number LG 55EM960V in Europe.

[The 84" 4K LCD/NanoLED TV will have model number/name LG 84LM9600 Cinema 3DTV in the US, LG 84LM960V in EU.]
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post #3829 of 5879
3/23/12 at 12:47pm
New best tv coming out next?
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post #3830 of 5879
3/23/12 at 2:12pm
I don't believe prices in asia or europe have ever been in line with US prices- if anything, they've traditionally been higher. Makes me think $5-6,000????
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post #3831 of 5879
3/23/12 at 2:52pm
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I don't believe prices in asia or europe have ever been in line with US prices- if anything, they've traditionally been higher. Makes me think $5-6,000????

Hey, let's hope so. I don't believe if the London Olympics launch even happens that the TV will be here until later in the year, so it's possible.
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post #3832 of 5879
3/23/12 at 10:09pm
Too exciting...not only a price but a model #. Someone who bet against its launch may be eating crow soon enough.
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post #3833 of 5879
3/27/12 at 6:25am
http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/27/29...e-release-date

It's happening.
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post #3834 of 5879
3/27/12 at 6:50am
Hmm $8k. So someone buy to subsidize the R&D for the rest of us so that they can bring prices down.
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post #3835 of 5879
3/27/12 at 7:40am
Good news, now let's see if it jumpstarts more product from other manufacturers.
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post #3836 of 5879
3/27/12 at 8:02am
OLED is very intriguing, but is there still an issue with one of the primary colors not having the same half life as the others (blue if I can recall), leading to uneven white balance with age? Maybe this has been addressed, I just don't remember reading anything more about it recently.
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post #3837 of 5879
3/27/12 at 10:05am
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OLED is very intriguing, but is there still an issue with one of the primary colors not having the same half life as the others (blue if I can recall), leading to uneven white balance with age? Maybe this has been addressed, I just don't remember reading anything more about it recently.

This year, 2012, Panasonic increased the size of the blue pixel in their plasmas. Bet they had the same problem and found this workaround.
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post #3838 of 5879
3/27/12 at 10:54am
I noticed this small article in my local paper:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology...ectid=10794414

I reckon it's to do with LG's OLED. I can't wait to see it in person.
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post #3839 of 5879
3/27/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by MaXPL View Post

http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/27/29...e-release-date

It's happening.

That's one outlet re-reporting the news reported by the other outlet above more or less. In other words, that's a re-post of a post made on this very page!

Whether you, me or anyone else is buying one soon after this press event remains to be seen.

The Verge describes the motivation as "beating Samsung" and capturing some "pre-Olympic buying craze". Samsung is nowhere close to shipping a product in any kind of meaningful volumes (although if they want to beat them period, sooner is obviously required) and I dispute the notion that the world goes on any sort of pre-Olympic TV-buying bender.
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post #3840 of 5879
3/27/12 at 7:24pm
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This year, 2012, Panasonic increased the size of the blue pixel in their plasmas. Bet they had the same problem and found this workaround.

I wonder why they don't do this with OLED?

More surface area for the blue means they can drive it lower to get the same brightness and therefore extend lifetime.
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