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post #4381 of 9446
most likely misinformation.
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Originally Posted by Rich Peterson View Post

WHAT???? Is this for real? Not releasing OLED (in Australia)?

I didn't note the article specifically reference the release was canceled for Australia (though obviously it's an Aussie site, so perhaps that went without saying?)

If it's Aussie-only news, I'm sure it only applies for 2012. If it's world news, it's either wrong or only applies for 2012.
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Hi guys,

only 2 days left until IFA begins.

Here is a picture of Samsung´s OLED TV ad @ IFA

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SAMSUNG'S OLED TV IS COMING

Man, we have waited a long time for Samsung’s OLED-TV. It has been 9 months but Samsung has still not started selling the thing. At IFA, Samsung has named the TV and updated the design.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1346327997
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SAMSUNG'S OLED TV IS COMING
Man, we have waited a long time for Samsung’s OLED-TV. It has been 9 months but Samsung has still not started selling the thing. At IFA, Samsung has named the TV and updated the design.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1346327997

Still no pricing or availability dates. Disappointing.
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Still no pricing or availability dates. Disappointing.

So I now put Samsung's chances of a 2012 release at <10%. The fact they won't even offer up a date and that it's already September....
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So I now put Samsung's chances of a 2012 release at <10%. The fact they won't even offer up a date and that it's already September....

Are they are going with the RGBW (white/clear pixel) thing?
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Are they are going with the RGBW (white/clear pixel) thing?

They would have to find their way around some patents that are owned by LG, to do that, and after they just got burned for doing that with Apple they may not be willing to risk doing it with OLED patents.
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based on what i just saw from engadget at ifa, lg clearly is closer to market than sammy's oled.
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

Are they are going with the RGBW (white/clear pixel) thing?

No, Samsung's first product is pure RGB, using small mask scanning to pattern the substrates. It's very challenging to ramp that, much more so than LG's "no pattern" vapor deposition method combined with color filters. Samsung -- as far back as January -- reserved the right to adopt an RGBW solution if it proved necessary/better/whatever. But I agree that they'll have some patent issues to work around to do so.
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based on what i just saw from engadget at ifa, lg clearly is closer to market than sammy's oled.

I think that's been true since the beginning of the year as well. It does look like LG has finished, production-ready industrial design and cosmetics. I wonder what their capacity is now and how many markets they are targeting. Also, given that there's <3 months left in the 2012 selling season (product needs to be in stores by Dec. 1 or it might as well not be there), I wonder how much geography they are targeting. It's also possible they really don't intend to ship this year or plan only to ship in Korea or very limited markets. I guess we'll see soon enough. I didn't catch a news report where they mentioned anything about timing either.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Samsung -- as far back as January -- reserved the right to adopt an RGBW solution if it proved necessary/better/whatever. But I agree that they'll have some patent issues to work around to do so.

Oh? Do tell.
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Oh? Do tell.

They made a public statement (I'd have to hunt it down, and I'm really not interested in investing the time) that said something close to, "We're open to all approaches if ours doesn't prove to be the best". It was in reference to the RGBW design. But based on the patents LG now holds, it will be challenging. Samsung might have negotiate a license with LG (hard), risk infringing (I'll let people decide what that looks like), or devise a different way to achieve the same result without infringing (I have no idea how strong the patents are).
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I saw a picture of 55 incher wink.gif holly Molly , this thing is a beauty!
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

They made a public statement (I'd have to hunt it down, and I'm really not interested in investing the time) that said something close to, "We're open to all approaches if ours doesn't prove to be the best". It was in reference to the RGBW design. But based on the patents LG now holds, it will be challenging. Samsung might have negotiate a license with LG (hard), risk infringing (I'll let people decide what that looks like), or devise a different way to achieve the same result without infringing (I have no idea how strong the patents are).

My understanding is the clear pixel is off (zero current) for complete black
and on for anything above that. It's for back and white only.
Seems like the right way to go given the extra Yellow or Green pixel
has had limited success from Sharp, etc.
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I saw a picture of 55 incher wink.gif holly Molly , this thing is a beauty!

yea man, and just imagine if *they* can adapt it to the Flex OLED at 110" or more!
one can only imagine a roll up flex OLED you can just hang on the wall.
were talking portability and low shipping costs here. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

yea man, and just imagine if *they* can adapt it to the Flex OLED at 110" or more!
one can only imagine a roll up flex OLED you can just hang on the wall.
were talking portability and low shipping costs here. wink.gif

And of course 4K if not 8K, no matter what sense it makes smile.gif. Seriously, with 80/90" 2K LCDs readily available and 84" 4K LCDs showing up, the 55" OLED is a lost proposition unless it can compete on price with the 55" LCDs.
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

yea man, and just imagine if *they* can adapt it to the Flex OLED at 110" or more!
one can only imagine a roll up flex OLED you can just hang on the wall.
were talking portability and low shipping costs here. wink.gif

Maybe in 10-20 years.

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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

And of course 4K if not 8K, no matter what sense it makes smile.gif. Seriously, with 80/90" 2K LCDs readily available and 84" 4K LCDs showing up, the 55" OLED is a lost proposition unless it can compete on price with the 55" LCDs.

Maybe in 5 years.
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With the evolution - revolution in display technology i've come to a decision on strategy. Hold off on a new display and use the money to do a dedicated home theater. My guess is most here have a decent display but how many have the killer sound system to complete the experience?
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Both display and sound are decent over here. wink.gif
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Here is my IFA report wink.gif

at first: both OLED TV´s are absolutely amazing but i prefer clearly the Samsung OLED.
why? the colors are much much deeper and brighter and the sharpeness is crazy. the design is stunning. And of course: Full HD 3D. The passive 3D on the LG looks horrible. A too bad resulotion for this TV, this sucks. The picture from the LG model was a little blurry and the colors was not so impressive for me.

the connections on the Samsung TV are on the back, not in the stand like LG´s. The LG model is ~ 3mm slimmer than Samsung´s, but it doesnt matter for me.

I think the Samsung version is the future. It takes time but the result is much more impressive for me.


and of course: the blue pixel die´s faster, its not easy to manufacture and expensive but for the 30.000 hours (+?) lifetime it´s the best experience for me. and in 2-3 years it will be no longer a problem with new manufactoring methods and other improvements.
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Originally Posted by toxic1988 View Post

Here is my IFA report wink.gif
at first: both OLED TV´s are absolutely amazing but i prefer clearly the Samsung OLED.
why? the colors are much much deeper and brighter and the sharpeness is crazy. the design is stunning. And of course: Full HD 3D. The passive 3D on the LG looks horrible. A too bad resulotion for this TV, this sucks. The picture from the LG model was a little blurry and the colors was not so impressive for me.
the connections on the Samsung TV are on the back, not in the stand like LG´s. The LG model is ~ 3mm slimmer than Samsung´s, but it doesnt matter for me.
I think the Samsung version is the future. It takes time but the result is much more impressive for me.
and of course: the blue pixel die´s faster, its not easy to manufacture and expensive but for the 30.000 hours (+?) lifetime it´s the best experience for me. and in 2-3 years it will be no longer a problem with new manufactoring methods and other improvements.

I'm intrigued on why there is such a big difference vs CES. Technically we have been saying RGB solution should be better than RGBW... question is how perceivable for the consumer to fork out extra dough.
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In a IFA interview Moon IK Jang (LG OLED division) said that:

the LG 55" OLED will cost €10.000,-/€12.000,-. Massproduction will start in december (48.000 55'' panels per month).

My prediction was €9.999,- smile.gif, most folks believed price would be €8.000,-
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

In a IFA interview Moon IK Jang (LG OLED division) said that:

the LG 55" OLED will cost €10.000,-/€12.000,-. Massproduction will start in december (48.000 55'' panels per month).

My prediction was €9.999,- smile.gif, most folks believed price would be €8.000,-

1. WTH, shouldn't mass production have started back in say Apr? They keep putting it off.

2. I bet 48,000 panels per month assumes 100% yield; what will be the actual yield of serviceable units?
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Originally Posted by walt73 

1. WTH, shouldn't mass production have started back in say Apr? They keep putting it off.

2. I bet 48,000 panels per month assumes 100% yield; what will be the actual yield of serviceable units?


Jang was not willing to talk about degree of production failure amongst the 48.000 panels, capacity = 48.000.
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

In a IFA interview Moon IK Jang (LG OLED division) said that:
the LG 55" OLED will cost €10.000,-/€12.000,-. Massproduction will start in december (48.000 55'' panels per month).
My prediction was €9.999,- smile.gif, most folks believed price would be €8.000,-

I really find it hard to believe that there are all that many people willing to pay that much money for a small 55 inch set.
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

In a IFA interview Moon IK Jang (LG OLED division) said that:
the LG 55" OLED will cost €10.000,-/€12.000,-. Massproduction will start in december (48.000 55'' panels per month).
My prediction was €9.999,- smile.gif, most folks believed price would be €8.000,-
How many people pay full MSRP for a TV?
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

Jang was not willing to talk about degree of production failure amongst the 48.000 panels, capacity = 48.000.

I doubt very much the first month production will be anywhere near that high anyway. The line's capacity is no higher than 48K per month.

And, yes, yields are probably going to run around 1/2 whatever the capacity is.
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Where they can sell 48 000 55" OLED TVs per month @ such prices?
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OLED story from The Verge.
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@Irkuck, Fantasyland.

@sa, great link, thanks.
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