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post #6091 of 9446
That is a good article, Rich.

A couple of observations:

1) " And it pulled the plug on the 110- and 95-inch models showcased at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas in January in anticipation of low demand due to the hefty weight and enormous prices. " I told everyone I talked with at CES at the Samsung booth, "Those big ones are not products and will never see the light of day. Please ignore any comments from reps to the contrary. Hah!

2) The latest OLED forecast from DisplaySearch is now for <3% of the TV market in 2016. Please read that again. Less than 3% of the TV market, 3 years from now. If we make a couple of assumptions, "100% of the OLEDs will be 55 inches and up, the portion of the TV market that is 55 inches and up will grow to 10% of the TV market" (it's currently 50 inches and up = 10%), we get a somewhat more attractive picture because then OLED looks like 30% of the market in which it is competing.

3) It's interesting that one technology that was a solution in search of a problem (OLED) is being pushed somewhat aside by another technology that is really a solution in search of a problem (4K).
post #6092 of 9446
4k is a solution in search of native content. with the upgrade issues still out there i wouldn't touch one of these yet.
post #6093 of 9446
Even if you get a 171 inch through the door where you could possibly truly enjoy the 4K resolution--you still have LCD that sucks when viewed one zillionth of a degree off of pure center with NO Full array backlight with pathetic blacks and it will cost 90 trillion dollars!

I think the display industry is more or less saying--if we can reduce ALL displays to DUNG then we can MAKE the consumer Eat the dung! We can MAKE them like crap!

We can even have people here say that crap is good

OLED is NOT COMING!

And 4K LCD WILL suck!
post #6094 of 9446

I'm thinking Lexapro.  Maybe old fashioned lithium as well.
 

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I'm thinking Lexapro.  Maybe old fashioned lithium as well.

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post #6096 of 9446
Add in a Seroquel, and pass the cocktail over to me.
post #6097 of 9446
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Good one smile.gif

Although the tinfoil hat part of me wonders if this was an experiment to see if anyone would bite, I'm reminded of Hanlon's razor. biggrin.gif

Back to "Usually Ships: 1-2 Weeks". smile.gif
post #6098 of 9446
At least I'm not eating it!

How does regressing LCD taste?
post #6099 of 9446
This is mostly about small OLED screens but then they go on to large OLEDs and there may be some info here that's of interest.

LG to mass-produce flexible displays

Source: The Korean Times

By Kim Yoo-chul

LG Display is expected to solidify its leadership in the display market as it will mass-produce a new flexible smartphone panel for major clients from the fourth quarter of this year.

Technicians and researchers at LG say this new development is an effort to meet growing demand for innovative business solutions.

[LOTS SKIPPED]

Flexible OLEDs are just one part of LG’s plan to sweep the global OLED market by increasing its investment in various business projects.

The company, which is the first to mass produce OLED screens and curved OLEDs for televisions, is in the process of developing OLED TV screens that support UHD viewing quality.

To remain competitive, LG works to cut manufacturing costs, achieve lower consumption and advanced viewing quality, said Lim Joo-soo, a manager at its OLED technology strategy division.

“LG Display is developing UHD OLED TV screens. For enhanced brightness, we plan to switch the existing ‘bottom-emission’ tech into ‘top-emission’ tech. The company also has interests in developing materials that can help OLED applications extend their lifespan,” said Lim

As OLED TVs go mainstream within the next few years, LG is expanding its panel sizes to 65 inches and 77 inches.

According to LG officials, the 65-inch and 77-inch OLED panels will be produced at its M1 pilot line inside the P9 factory in Paju. The M1 line will house more equipment to produce bigger screens, and the M2 line will be mass-produced starting next year.

Edited by Rich Peterson - 6/19/13 at 6:49am
post #6100 of 9446
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Flexible OLEDs are just one part of LG’s plan to sweep the global OLED market by increasing its investment in various business projects.

 

{chuckle}.  Anyone seeing them as a self-defined Dr. Evil at the table with Mini-Me?  Not going to work.

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.......We can even have people here say that crap is good.....

Well, from four footers, it does wonders in my garden! tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Rich Peterson View Post

This is mostly about small OLED screens but then they go on to large OLEDs and there may be some info here that's of interest.
LG to mass-produce flexible displays
Source: The Korean Times

This piece shows at least that the guys recognized the LCD train has left and one can not catch it with the 55" 2K OLEDs anymore.The talk about 77" OLEDs looks like the 55" story repeating.
post #6103 of 9446
Fascinating that LG is being forced to switch to top-emission as well. Yet another technical decision they made that was wrong and will have to be undone now....

First, going with not-yet-ready IGZO.... Second, going with passe 1080p... Third, going with much-less-efficient bottom emission....

The original goal of producing a large-format display by 2015 should never have been screwed with. Their credibility would.... still exist....
post #6104 of 9446
^It means this technology is still immature and its hype is bordering on cheating.
post #6105 of 9446
Another "coming soon" rumor?

Samsung reportedly shipping 55-inch OLED TV to South Korea next week

Source: engadget

Samsung told us to expect its 55-inch OLED TV sometime in July, but there's now a chance that South Koreans will get an early look. Yonhap News Agency hears through tipsters that the premium set could ship to Samsung's homeland next week, with a price somewhere north of 10 million won ($8,840). It might not be alone, either -- those same sources also claim that the company's curved OLED TV may arrive at the same time. Samsung hasn't confirmed anything, but such moves would line up with the firm's tendency to debut products in its home country. Besides, Samsung rarely lets any of LG's salvos go unanswered.
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Originally Posted by Rich Peterson View Post

Another "coming soon" rumor?

Samsung reportedly shipping 55-inch OLED TV to South Korea next week

Source: engadget

Samsung told us to expect its 55-inch OLED TV sometime in July, but there's now a chance that South Koreans will get an early look. Yonhap News Agency hears through tipsters that the premium set could ship to Samsung's homeland next week, with a price somewhere north of 10 million won ($8,840). It might not be alone, either -- those same sources also claim that the company's curved OLED TV may arrive at the same time. Samsung hasn't confirmed anything, but such moves would line up with the firm's tendency to debut products in its home country. Besides, Samsung rarely lets any of LG's salvos go unanswered.


Will they place them next to the LG OLED sets on the imaginary shelf?
post #6107 of 9446
Will they place them next to the 4K LCD sets in the sewer?
post #6108 of 9446
FWIW, a material supplier to LG (Universal Display) had their 55" OLED television at their annual meeting on Thursday. They said it was likely the first unit in the United States.

I would wager quite a bit that this unit was bought commercially. I have followed the company for years and they have never shown a sample OLED device that wasnt selling commercially. I also doubt that LG is handing out prototypes, particularly to a company that also supplies Samsung.

Now that I think about it, I'll put a call into IR to see if I can get a direct answer to the question.
post #6109 of 9446
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FWIW, a material supplier to LG (Universal Display) had their 55" OLED television at their annual meeting on Thursday. They said it was likely the first unit in the United States.

I would wager quite a bit that this unit was bought commercially. .

I would wager a nearly infinite sum that it was not bought commercially in the United States. Also, the very nature of it being the first unit in the United States almost states by definition it wasn't purchased from a retailer in the U.S. -- who would have more than one unit.

There is no outlet that has even listed the unit for sale in the U.S. save Dell's online store. And by all evidence, they did not ship any before listing the TV as not available.

I am all-but certain the unit was delivered to them from LG. I don't understand why you don't think they'd hand one out to their main OLED material supplier; but even if Universal Display had to pay for one, they could've easily had it air-shipped from Korea. And you can bet that's what happened, no matter whose tab it was on.
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I am all-but certain the unit was delivered to them from LG. I don't understand why you don't think they'd hand one out to their main OLED material supplier; but even if Universal Display had to pay for one, they could've easily had it air-shipped from Korea. And you can bet that's what happened, no matter whose tab it was on.

Of course I dont believe it was bought in the US. It didnt even occur to me that anybody would think that was a possibility.

The general thinking on this thread, and I have agreed, has been that the fact that we have yet to see a single pic of LG's television in the wild makes it doubtful that they have actually shipped TV's...even in Korea. I believe that this unit is the first unit is evidence that they are actually shipping the television. As for why I think it was bought and not given, it is based on the history of their relationship with other OLED manufacturers. They are literally told nothing of Samsung's future plans or products. Perhaps the relationship with LG is different, but I doubt that LG would give a finished unit to a company that is so tied to Samsung...unless they are actually shipping this TV in Korea so Samsung already has one in their labs.
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I am all-but certain the unit was delivered to them from LG. I don't understand why you don't think they'd hand one out to their main OLED material supplier; but even if Universal Display had to pay for one, they could've easily had it air-shipped from Korea. And you can bet that's what happened, no matter whose tab it was on.

Of course I dont believe it was bought in the US. It didnt even occur to me that anybody would think that was a possibility.

The general thinking on this thread, and I have agreed, has been that the fact that we have yet to see a single pic of LG's television in the wild makes it doubtful that they have actually shipped TV's...even in Korea. I believe that this unit is the first unit is evidence that they are actually shipping the television. As for why I think it was bought and not given, it is based on the history of their relationship with other OLED manufacturers. They are literally told nothing of Samsung's future plans or products. Perhaps the relationship with LG is different, but I doubt that LG would give a finished unit to a company that is so tied to Samsung...

 

Well, that might change after they read this thread.....  :)

post #6112 of 9446
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul 
I see no reason why it won't happen once there is a video format that supports the Rec. 2020 color space.
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Originally Posted by rogo 
Call us when the format comes out, kk?
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DLP, LCD, OLED, and Plasma can show a larger color space than Rec. 709 and I think the main reason it hasn't happened yet was due to the lack of a widely adopted standard. xvYCC was proprietary, was supported by only a few companies, and was limited because it had to be compatible with 8-bit video.

So a bunch of TVs that can support a wider color space have been out for more than a decade, but there is no content. But OLED -- which has been vaporware for a decade -- is going to change this? Got it!

The Sony ''mastered in 4K'' stuff has an expanded color gamut smile.gif

only seems to work on stuff that supports Sony's proprietary Triluminos technology though.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Mastered_in_4K/Industry_Trends/High-Def_Retailing/4K/UHDTV/Ultra_HD/Mastered_in_4K_and_the_Road_to_Ultra_HD/11781


Seems to me that 4K blu-ray will have expanded color gamut just like the ''mastered in 4K'' line.
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Of course I dont believe it was bought in the US. It didnt even occur to me that anybody would think that was a possibility.

The general thinking on this thread, and I have agreed, has been that the fact that we have yet to see a single pic of LG's television in the wild makes it doubtful that they have actually shipped TV's...even in Korea. I believe that this unit is the first unit is evidence that they are actually shipping the television. As for why I think it was bought and not given, it is based on the history of their relationship with other OLED manufacturers. They are literally told nothing of Samsung's future plans or products. Perhaps the relationship with LG is different, but I doubt that LG would give a finished unit to a company that is so tied to Samsung...unless they are actually shipping this TV in Korea so Samsung already has one in their labs.
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I don't understand why you believe that LG would deny one of its main suppliers a working unit simply because that supplier also works with Samsung. That's incredible pissiness for a multi-billion-dollar company.

But even if they are shipping a tiny number of units in Korea -- and LG has stated this for months, though some of us remain skeptical -- no one has reviewed one anywhere. That still suggests it isn't really available, even when LG protests otherwise.
post #6114 of 9446
yeah.just look a few posts ahead. Iso has added the article to one of his older posts. 10.gif
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1) " And it pulled the plug on the 110- and 95-inch models showcased at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas in January in anticipation of low demand due to the hefty weight and enormous prices. " I told everyone I talked with at CES at the Samsung booth, "Those big ones are not products and will never see the light of day. Please ignore any comments from reps to the contrary. Hah!

At the same time Sharp is already selling the 90-incher and Samsung trying to break with the 75" and 84" eek.gif. This opinion thus sounds like Samsung wanting to smear the supersized market since they have to source panels from the Chinese. While the 110-inch 4K market is obviously going to be small, any calculations of its size have to include large part of the HT projector market which it will be killing. Moreover, the enormous price of 110-incher is sounding funny in the mouth of the main OLED proponent smile.gif: 110-incher @4K is essentially just 4x55" panels stamped together: no new panel tech, same 55" production lines, and no new electronics. The only problem is weight and installation effort but still nothing comparing to the overall effort of building decent HT.
post #6116 of 9446
so WHEN in the hell exactly is Samsung going to release their 55" 1080p OLED? They said they were going to at the end of last year. That never happened....And it probably wont for this year either. sigh*
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Dell Canada is now shipping (if you have $14K). 55" LG OLED

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Video_Conferencing/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A6820882

In case you don't wish to click the link, Dells blurb below:

Highlights

•OLED

✓4 Color Pixel
✓ Inifinte Constrast
✓ Universal Control
✓ No thicker than a pencil





•LG Smart TV


Easy to Use
✓ Magic Remote
✓ Universal Control
✓On Now
✓Built-In Wi-Fi
✓Dual Core Processor

Easy to Enjoy
✓ Premium Content
✓Game World
✓LG Smart World (App Store)

Easy to Connect
✓Smart Share
✓LG Cloud
✓Miracast
✓NFC
✓WiDi
✓MHL

LG Cinema 3D
✓ Cinema 3D Glasses
✓Dual Play
✓2D to 3D Conversion
✓3D World
✓3D Depth Control
✓3D Sound Zooming




Overview

Stunning design and stunning picture quality with Infinite Contrast and 4 Color Pixel technology that displays more true to life images. LG's 4 Color Pixel technology adds the color white to the conventional 3 color sources to enhance accuracy for more true to life and vibrant colors. LG's intuitive Magic Remote is a simple and fun way to pick and choose what you want to watch from premium content providers like Hulu Plus®, Netflix® and YouTube® directly from your TV. The Magic Remote is all you need to control your TV and entertainment systems. Simply click, gesture, scroll or use LG's unique Voice™ that is capable of recognizing how you naturally speak to change the channel or find something to watch. Now, you can spend less time navigating and more time enjoying your entertainment. LG’s dual core processor provides fast access to Internet content and enhances processing speed. Mirror files from your Smartphone, tablet and other devices with MiracastTM to your TV. LG Cinema 3D glasses are comfortable, lightweight, battery-free. 4 sets of glasses included.

Manufacturer Part# : 55EM9700
Dell Part# : A6820882

I bet the input lag for gaming is "OVER 9000000!!!!!"................ms. tongue.gif
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I bet the input lag for gaming is "OVER 9000000!!!!!"................ms. tongue.gif

at least Dell offers great finance options!
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so WHEN in the hell exactly is Samsung going to release their 55" 1080p OLED? They said they were going to at the end of last year. That never happened....And it probably wont for this year either. sigh*

Are you in the market for an $8000-12,000 TV? I ask only because even if they do release it, that's the price....

I doubt it's coming this year, by the way.

They are a bunch of phony hypesters (both Samsung and LG) on this. The ridiculous promises in 2012... The continued ridiculous promises in 2013... The ridiculous promises of competitive pricing "soon"....

You hear that howling? It's the sound of the technology that cried wolf....
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Panasonic to Provide OLED TV Technology for Other Manufacturers by Charging

Source: LEDInside

It is reported that Panasonic is considering providing OLED TV mass production technology for other TV manufacturers by charging. Panasonic has launched negotiation with Japanese manufacturers at home and abroad, including LG Electronics and Samsung Electronics.

Compared with Samsung's technology, Panasonic's technology allows manufacturers to produce OLED TV in large quantity at lower cost, although Panasonic is jointly developing OLED panels with Sony and providing technical information for each other, and Panasonic will offer the Panasonic's own mass production technology to external companies only because the volume production mode of Sony and Panasonic is different.

Sony and Panasonic announced on June 25, 2012 that they will jointly develop next-generation OLED panels for TV / large-size monitor, and they aimed to establish the mass production technology of next-generation OLED panel in 2013. In addition to Panasonic, Sony is also working with Taiwan's AU Optronics to develop OLED panels together.

Currently, LG has already started selling OLED TV in several markets worldwide, but sales are not ideal, allegedly the cumulative sales in Korea by the end of this April is only 200 units. However, Samsung's OLED TV will be put on sale this week at slightly lower price than LG, close to $ 9,000, but the price is far higher than that of LED TV and 4K TV in the same size.

OLED TV is considered as orthodox successor of the next generation of display technology. But a lot of investment capital flow is required to invest OLED TV, so it is obviously difficult for Panasonic in trouble to invest. However, Panasonic has mastered OLED technology of itself; it would be another form of waste that Panasonic cannot take advantage of its OLED technology of itself.

Previously, Panasonic had just set foot in the production of small-size OLED panel, it is reported that Panasonic plans to produce commercial OLED panel in its Himeji plant for medical equipments and television station before the end of 2015.
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