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post #7141 of 9441
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Originally Posted by ALMA 
LG 75EA9809 as first 75" OLED-TV on the way? Officially certified by "TÜV" and "Unitymedia" (cable tv) in Austria and Germany:

http://digital.orf.at/modules/produkte/ausgabe_receiver_detail.php?pr_id=1470

(looking at 75")
http://www2.unitymedia.de/service/hdmodul/internet/
It does not seem realistic that a 75'' OLED TV will hit the market any time soon.


btw here is a list of Wi-Fi CERTIFIED LG OLED TVs -> 21-01-2013 <-
LG OLED TV 55EA980T
LG OLED TV 55EA880T
LG OLED TV 55EA8800
LG OLED TV 55EA9800
LG OLED TV 55EA880V
LG OLED TV 47EA880W
LG OLED TV 55EA8809
LG OLED TV 55EA880W
LG OLED TV 75EA980V
LG OLED TV 55EA980V
LG oLED TV 75EA980W
LG OLED TV 55EA9809
LG OLED TV 55EA980W
post #7142 of 9441
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probably means it is an OLED TV so it might as well be a LED LCd.

No, LCD is "LA" not EA" and that´s what LG said in 2012:
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Because we use the Color Refiner and not a metal mask, and because we stack our pixels vertically instead of horizontally, there is no droop. No droop means larger, stable displays. With our technology, screen sizes from 47-inches to 80-inches are currently possible, and we’re just getting started. The stability of the technology also means that our screen will support Ultra Definition, which is 4 times higher than Full HD!

http://whylgtv.lge.com/archives/4399
post #7143 of 9441
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LG OLED TV 55EA980T
LG OLED TV 55EA880T
LG OLED TV 55EA8800
LG OLED TV 55EA9800
LG OLED TV 55EA880V
LG OLED TV 47EA880W
LG OLED TV 55EA8809
LG OLED TV 55EA880W
LG OLED TV 75EA980V
LG OLED TV 55EA980V
LG oLED TV 75EA980W
LG OLED TV 55EA9809
LG OLED TV 55EA980W

It´s accurate. EAxxx9 = German market, EAxxxW Scandinavian market, EAxxxV = UK/US
post #7144 of 9441
post #7145 of 9441
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Originally Posted by ALMA 
that's what LG said in 2012:
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Because we use the Color Refiner and not a metal mask, and because we stack our pixels vertically instead of horizontally, there is no droop. No droop means larger, stable displays. With our technology, screen sizes from 47-inches to 80-inches are currently possible, and we’re just getting started. The stability of the technology also means that our screen will support Ultra Definition, which is 4 times higher than Full HD!

http://whylgtv.lge.com/archives/4399
That's an 12-03-2012 ''article''. So were is the (4K)47''and (4K 55'') (4K)75'' LG OLED TV i ask myself today, 24-09-2013 rolleyes.gif
post #7146 of 9441
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by ALMA 
that's what LG said in 2012:
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Because we use the Color Refiner and not a metal mask, and because we stack our pixels vertically instead of horizontally, there is no droop. No droop means larger, stable displays. With our technology, screen sizes from 47-inches to 80-inches are currently possible, and we’re just getting started. The stability of the technology also means that our screen will support Ultra Definition, which is 4 times higher than Full HD!

http://whylgtv.lge.com/archives/4399
That's an 12-03-2012 ''article''. So were is the (4K)47''and (4K 55'') (4K)75'' LG OLED TV i ask myself today, 24-09-2013 rolleyes.gif

 

Arg!  Warning.  European date reversals.  Take cover.  {claxon sounds}

post #7147 of 9441
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Fight settled, expect impeccable gargantuan price fixing soon.:(

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post #7149 of 9441
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That's an 12-03-2012 ''article''. So were is the (4K)47''and (4K 55'') (4K)75'' LG OLED TV i ask myself today, 24-09-2013

They said 4K is with their current WOLED-Technology possible but not that the first OLED-TV´s will be 4K. LG Europe said before the 55" OLED-Launch, they planned to introduce a smaller and bigger one after the two 55" variants. Now the curved 55" (originally one year before it was the 55EM970, now cancelled for the curved EA980) is sold as first step, the flat EA8809 was always planned as second step (originally one year before with flamingo stand and not as wall mounted gallery OLED-TV) and now followed in September 27. Logically the other screen sizes could be follow soon and could be still planned with one year delay like the other OLED-TV´s.

They can make the 55" and a 77" 4K UHD-OLED prototype with their 8G pilot plant. So it´s not impossible to make a 47" and a 75" with 1080p resolution. 4K resolution is the next step.
Edited by ALMA - 9/24/13 at 6:31am
post #7150 of 9441
Yep, I was thinking about the LG/Samsung happy hour and I can think of only two reasons:

1) Threat of Panasonic/Sony OLED alliance (SK vs Japan)

2) They saw the massive price war on the 1st gen 4K's with gargantuan price drops and don't want a repeat of that with OLED.

I'm guessing the 2nd....
post #7151 of 9441
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Samsung and LG are done suing each other:

"Samsung Display said in a statement it has "come to an agreement with LG Display to focus on finding ways to cooperate on patent matters though discussions, and to immediately drop lawsuits over liquid-crystal displays and next-generation organic light-emitting-diode display patents."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304213904579094592252201558.html?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird

Objectively, this is good news.

Those two companies made similar statements several months ago, and then resumed filing patent infringement suits against each other soon after. The South Korean Government was supposed to have intervened in the dispute back then, and banged heads until they agreed to do what they are saying they have agreed to do now.

"There is no honor among thieves." smile.gif
post #7152 of 9441
^^^^

I wonder what the legal staff at each of these companies will do now.....

It would be good if they could cooperate rather than continue to bring patent suits against each other: but I doubt this will happen
post #7153 of 9441
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^^

I wonder what the legal staff at each of these companies will do now.....

It would be good if they could cooperate rather than continue to bring patent suits against each other: but I doubt this will happen

Mark,

FlatpanelsHd headline on the new announced agreement between the two companies reads like a headline in The Onion.

"LG & SAMSUNG DROP ALL OLED PATENT LAWSUITS - AGAIN"

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1380022115
post #7154 of 9441
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post
 
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^^

I wonder what the legal staff at each of these companies will do now.....

It would be good if they could cooperate rather than continue to bring patent suits against each other: but I doubt this will happen

Mark,

FlatpanelsHd headline on the new announced agreement between the two companies reads like a headline in The Onion.

 

LOL.  I'll say:

post #7155 of 9441
"IS LG PLANNING NEW 75" AND 47" OLED TVS?"

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1380026065

So far it all reads speculative, with nothing having been confirmed by LG.

"It seems weird for LG not to announce soon-to-come OLED TVs at the just concluded IFA 2013 show, but according to three separate entities, LG is preparing to release a 75-inch and a 47-inch OLED TV, besides the new 55-inch models.

75" AND 47" LG OLED TVS APPROVED

According to three separate entities; TUV, an Austrian TV inspection unit; Unity Media, a German cable TV provider; and the Wi-Fi association, LG has a new massive 75-inch OLED TV planned for release. The entities have also approved a new 47-inch OLED TV from LG."
post #7156 of 9441
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Fight settled, expect impeccable gargantuan price fixing soon.frown.gif

Accidently this came after IFA where some modest Chinese OLEDs were shown...
post #7157 of 9441
Since OLED has no Phosphors, is a break-in period really needed before calibration?
post #7158 of 9441
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Since OLED has no Phosphors, is a break-in period really needed before calibration?

 

LG's mechanism (last we went back and forth on this in a flurry of tech papers) uses a yellow phosphor excited by a blue light).  Regardless though, you don't need phosphors to have non-uniform wear characteristics.

post #7159 of 9441
Thanks, tgm. I take it then that a break-in period is needed to be on the safe side.
post #7160 of 9441
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Thanks, tgm. I take it then that a break-in period is needed to be on the safe side.

 

Absolutely no one knows.  However, if you say it here it'll likely be taken as gospel in 100 blogs across the world.  So we gotta be careful.  LOL!   Aye yi yi....

post #7161 of 9441
[QUOTE]http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1346797220

TWO SAMSUNG OLED-TVS STOLEN AT IFA
By Rasmus Larsen (@flatpanels)
05 Sep 2012 More Sharing Services Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Share on print



Some people in the TV business are not playing by the rules. On the way to IFA two Samsung OLED-TVs were stolen, says Samsung. Samsung believes that someone will try to copy the technology.

OLED INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE

This is not the first time that we hear about foul play in the OLED industry. While transporting all the products to IFA, Samsung noticed that two OLED-TVs had gone ”missing”.[/QUOTE]

Any of you guys know about this? how's the picture what settings ? biggrin.gif just kidding

I guess it got Shanghaied ha ha!

You think maybe it was LG,.Vizio ,maybe Panasonic, Sony or TCL,Seiki maybe ? maybe a free lance job to be sold highest industrial espionage bidder maybe Foxconn or even Apple?

Edited by tubetwister - 9/24/13 at 2:28pm
post #7162 of 9441
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Those two companies made similar statements several months ago, and then resumed filing patent infringement suits against each other soon after. The South Korean Government was supposed to have intervened in the dispute back then, and banged heads until they agreed to do what they are saying they have agreed to do now.

Right, so it seems like it's really settled.
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^^

I wonder what the legal staff at each of these companies will do now.....

Sue Chinese companies, most likely.
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It would be good if they could cooperate rather than continue to bring patent suits against each other: but I doubt this will happen

I dunno, Samsung still can't scale their tech (period) and LG still can't figure out some things. Neither has a market to protect right now, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a modicum of cooperation. But really, we don't want them to joint venture. Fewer companies trying to push the tech forward is not a win.
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post


Accidently this came after IFA where some modest Chinese OLEDs were shown...

Yep, that's the impetus.
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Thanks, tgm. I take it then that a break-in period is needed to be on the safe side.

It can't hurt to break it in for 100-300 hours or so. Worse case, it doesn't help.
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Any of you guys know about this? just kidding

You think maybe it was LG,.Vizio ,maybe Panasonic, Sony or TCL,Seiki maybe ? maybe a free lance job to be sold highest industrial espionage bidder maybe Foxconn or even Apple?

Why wouldn't they just buy them at retail instead of stealing them? Canon used to just buy Xerox machines and ship them back to Japan, take them apart, make them better and then, eventually, build machines that would outdo the competition.... That goes back generations.
post #7163 of 9441
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Right, so it seems like it's really settled.
Sue Chinese companies, most likely.
I dunno, Samsung still can't scale their tech (period) and LG still can't figure out some things. Neither has a market to protect right now, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a modicum of cooperation. But really, we don't want them to joint venture. Fewer companies trying to push the tech forward is not a win.
Yep, that's the impetus.
It can't hurt to break it in for 100-300 hours or so. Worse case, it doesn't help.
Why wouldn't they just buy them at retail instead of stealing them? Canon used to just buy Xerox machines and ship them back to Japan, take them apart, make them better and then, eventually, build machines that would outdo the competition.... That goes back generations.

Good point about buying them maybe it was North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un 's people? they don't have a lot of extra money these days biggrin.gif
OTOH his buddy and "friend for life." Dennis Rodman could probably just buy him one to put in his palace !
ofc if some one buys it it leaves a paper trail for future patent litigation no? Chinese could buy it with impunity though.
Then again maybe just some lucky stiff is watching it now!
But then again maybe Foxconn could scale it with their huge factories and slave labor they have been shopping for product to keep them busy but they could also just buy one also



they might be getting cheaper in a couple of years found this but then again Sharp is not *usually in the cheap seat space.
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Sharp News
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Hon Hai to establish an OLED R&D center in Japan, aims to start OLED production in 2015
According to reports from Japan, Taiwan's Hon Hai (Foxconn) is establishing an OLED R&D center in Japan with an aim to start AMOLED panel production in 2015. Hon Hai is in talks with Sharp's Sakai Display Product (SDP) large-size LCD production base. SDP is jointly operated by Hon Hai and Sharp.
http://www.oled-info.com/tags/companies/sharp
Edited by tubetwister - 9/24/13 at 2:51pm
post #7164 of 9441
The IFA robbery happened last year. They actually found the TV's along the side of a highway a few days before this years IFA.
post #7165 of 9441
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

But really, we don't want them to joint venture. Fewer companies trying to push the tech forward is not a win.

I for one hope Samsung and LG keep fighting as long as possible. I doubt we would have seen the large price drop from $15K if Samsung and LG were not in a battle over OLED.
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Since OLED has no Phosphors, is a break-in period really needed before calibration?

I would recommend it. We don't have any recent data to work with but some old WOLED tests showed that the wear was non-linear and occurred more rapidly during the early hours. Nothing to lose by taking it easy for a few hundred hours as Rogo suggested.
post #7166 of 9441
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

I for one hope Samsung and LG keep fighting as long as possible. I doubt we would have seen the large price drop from $15K if Samsung and LG were not in a battle over OLED.
I would recommend it. We don't have any recent data to work with but some old WOLED tests showed that the wear was non-linear and occurred more rapidly during the early hours. Nothing to lose by taking it easy for a few hundred hours as Rogo suggested.

Reports are both OLED are being sold well below cost and yield and logevity for both have still not substantially improved. They are going to remain a high end niche market until Sony/Panasonic 4K OLED printing method can be perfected. So once again we play the waiting game.
post #7167 of 9441
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

Reports are both OLED are being sold well below cost and yield and logevity for both have still not substantially improved. They are going to remain a high end niche market until Sony/Panasonic 4K OLED printing method can be perfected. So once again we play the waiting game.

 

We always will.  Unless technology somehow stops dead in its tracks.  But I do admit: there is an awful lot going on all at once right now compared to prior years.  The list of newfangled immediate unknowns goes off the page.

post #7168 of 9441
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

Reports are both OLED are being sold well below cost and yield and logevity for both have still not substantially improved. They are going to remain a high end niche market until Sony/Panasonic 4K OLED printing method can be perfected. So once again we play the waiting game.

While I agree overall OLED is going to be a high end niche for some time, the reports I've read are that Samsung at least have improved yields substantially. But there likely is still a long way to go to get the prices down from outrageous to just really really high.

But wherever I hear these "selling at or below cost" I wonder what all they include in their cost. (The auto dealer near me claims they sell pretty much every car below cost but when you look their prices are no different from every other dealer and somehow they make money). Are they including some amount of the years and years of R&D they need to recover? New manufacturing facilties ? Advertising? Expected warrantee claims? What else?
post #7169 of 9441
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

......But I do admit: there is an awful lot OF MARKETING AND PRESS RELEASES going on all at once right now compared to prior years.....


FIFY.
post #7170 of 9441
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Originally Posted by Rich Peterson View Post

While I agree overall OLED is going to be a high end niche for some time, the reports I've read are that Samsung at least have improved yields substantially. But there likely is still a long way to go to get the prices down from outrageous to just really really high.\

The problem is that even if Samsung has improved yields, it's using SMS for the OLED deposition, which is not scalable. And it's using LTPS for the backplanes, which seems unlikely to be the long-term backplane of choice, given the industry is moving to IGZO. So it's basically scaled one certain dead-end technology and another technology that will almost certainly be more expensive (and also seems unlikely to last in the long term).

I'm not sure that any improvements in what they are doing now are meaningful.
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