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Originally Posted by rgb32 View Post

It is tipped that the company is working towards delivering their 32" OLED TV by June 2010 at a price of around $3,999

This is great news. That would be 2 900 in USD?
post #962 of 5882
Does anyone else think OLED will fail and Plasma production will come to an end leaving us stuck with LCD?
post #963 of 5882
The ultimate horror story nightmare would be ONLY LCD!
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Not TV related, but still an OLED technology advancement: Philips introduces its Lumiblade OLED lighting technology.



Lumiblade - the cutting edge of light

Lumiblade is an all-in-one lighting system complete with built-in reflectors and diffusers. Add in a potential lifetime of several 10,000s of hours, an excellent energy efficiency and it's clear why many see Lumiblade as a fit-and-forget solution that's good for the lifetime of an object or interior design.

Energy efficient

Lumiblade has the potential of reaching energy efficiencies of up to 140 lum/W, 15 times higher than conventional light bulbs. That makes it an energy-efficient light source for today's regulations and budgets. Long term, Lumiblade is a good alternative to fluorescent lighting.

However, today's performance is still limited and allows for small, decorative purposes only. Philips offers today already a range of components to experiment with

Product performance (2009)

* up to 20 lm/W in different shades of white and RGB
* 1,000 cd/m² brightness
* 10,000 hours lifetime (at 50% initial brightness)
* 1.8 mm thin
* <50 cm surface

As a rule of thumb: we expect the efficieny to double every 2-3 years.
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Thread Starter 
Incandescent 100W bulbs get 16 Lu/W. There's not much to be said for Philips' technology othe than it will be expensive and niche - and of course not saleable in North America, where it doesn't meet EPACT standards for efficiency.
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And fluorescent lamps are about 60 lm/W, so they have quite a way to go. If they can reach their projected 140 lm/W, they have a winner though.
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Thread Starter 
Don't forget the EPACT minimum CRI of 75 as well. No general-purpose lighting can be sold in USA or Canada that doesn't meet both efficiency and CRI minimums. Which is why you can no longer buy the old 40W cool-white and warm-white fluorescent tubes anymore.
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No general-purpose lighting can be sold in USA or Canada that doesn't meet both efficiency and CRI minimums.

And that's why I hate 'knee-jerk' laws like this, because they don't give leeway to new/niche technologies, or to techs which can eventually grow to much better efficiencies.

The free market can naturally pick the cheaper/better techs without law having to enforce things
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OLED microdisplay with superhigh resolution

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1240467762


"Offering better comfort to users of point-and-shoot digital cameras, and new designs for video glasses with the highest resolution ever, Microoled and the CEA-Leti have targeted these and many other potential applications with the announcement of the yet most efficient silicon-based OLED microdisplay out there.

Microoled and CEA-Leti announce the OLED microdisplay with the finest pixel pitch (more than 1.7 million sub-pixels, 2 to 4 times more than the other emissive technologies) and the lowest power consumption reported to date (4 times more efficient).
This very compact 0.38” WVGA microdisplay from Microoled is based on the OLED technology licensed from Thomson and CEA, and integrates technologies developed by Microoled and CEA-Leti. This display is targeted for camcorder and digital still camera eye-pieces as well as for video or interactive eyeglasses.


The small OLED panel has a stunning resolution of 873x500 pixels on a 0.38” surface."
post #970 of 5882
LG also plan to announce 15-inch and 32-inch OLED panels soon: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1240817166
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Any conjecture on when we'll see a 50" OLED, or bigger, for less than $10K?

My old panny 50" plasma needs an upgrade. I just got a new 42" panny for the family room and it looks great -- far better CR than my old 50 incher.

But, I want a much bigger screen for the HT if I'm going to upgrade, which has me thinking about PJ (JVC or Sony LCOS). However, if 65" or bigger OLEDs are 3 to 5 years away, I'll wait.
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Originally Posted by Dan P. View Post

Any conjecture on when we'll see a 50" OLED, or bigger, for less than $10K?
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However, if 65" or bigger OLEDs are 3 to 5 years away, I'll wait.

Based off of recent information (like the post below), it's unlikely we will see an OLED display larger than 37" in the next 24 months. But we should see OLED monitors suitable as CRT/LCD computer monitor replacements in the next 24 months!
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Submitted by admin on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 06:52.
37-inch | Oled-TV | panasonic | pioneer | toshiba
http://www.oled-display.net/panasoni...v-in-18-months



There are new rumors that Panasonic want to introduce a 37 inch OLED Television device within 18 months to 2 years.

This information comes from the Senior Panasonic executive which were in Australia. He said that Panasonic is currently researching HD OLED Televisions.

Thats a surprise because at the Ces-2009 Panasonic they hat not talked about an Oled-Tv, one of the reason are the production costs and the lifespan so the main message from Panasonic for a few months.

Now Panasonic want with the help from Pioneer engineers which are changing to Panasonic they are able to deliver new technology that expanded the lifespan Oled screen from 30,000 hours to 50,000 hours.

Toshiba are announcing that they are working with Panasonic to move the OLED technology forward.

The first OLED TV from Panasonic are tipped to be a 37 inch panel. This organic light emitting diode panel will be produced at the new IPS Alpha factory.
via Smarthouse
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It all looks like the point of no return. OLED: here... we... come!
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Hell yeah!

A 37" oled from panny would be a nice bedroom-wall-tv
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I wonder how much OLED is in the public consciousness.

When big-screen OLEDs appear in showrooms, I guess people will see the benefits.

There are rumors of an iPhone with an OLED screen. Such a high-profile product may help raise awareness of the technology.
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Yes, there are LCoS FPTVs still available. Sadly, the LCoS RPTVs are gone.
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Originally Posted by dsurkin View Post

Some bad news about Sony's plans:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...s-oled-tellies

You mean bad speculation?

Sony denies abandoning OLED TV market

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My post from Thursday night about the state of OLED TV development struck a nerve, as it detailed a report that suggested Sony had lost interest in building bigger sets than its 11-inch XEL-1 (including a quote from Sony spokesman that the company only built the XEL-1 as essentially a proof of concept). A U.S. Sony Electronics spokesperson contacted me and vehemently denied that the company was abandoning development of OLED TVs and that it was fully committed to the technology. He pointed to Sony's recent 22-billion-yen investment in increasing production capacity for larger OLED screens and its showcasing of bigger sets at this year's CES as proof of the electronics giant's commitment to OLED. There's still no official word on when Sony will release a larger follow-up to the XEL-1, but it does appear that there will be a follow-up after all.
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Sharpbandaid:

I'm glad to hear it. I've been looking forward to seeing a mid-sized Sony OLED screen.
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Panasonic teams up with Sumitomo for OLED TVs

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TOKYO, May 8 (Reuters) - Japan's Panasonic Corp (6752.T) said it was developing advanced display panels based on organic light-emitting diode (OLED) technology with Sumitomo Chemical Co (4005.T), in a bid to stay in the race in the next-generation TV market.

The Nikkei business daily said Panasonic and Sumitomo Chemical were aiming to set up a joint venture to develop and manufacture 40-inch or bigger OLED panels by 2010.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssC...14339520090508
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Panasonic 37" OLED TV = win
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Thread Starter 
40-inch OEL screens on way
8 May 2009

Sumitomo and Panasonic are to join forces to make a 40-inch OEL (organic electroluminescent) panel by 2010.

According to nikkei.net, the two firms will start production lines at Panasonic's LCD plant in Japan.

That, according to the report, is only the start of a further series of product releases including a 40-inch OEL TV that will only consume 40 watts, be three millimetres thick, and 20 times brighter than plasma based TVs.

Sumitomo owns UK firm Cambridge Display Technology which had expertise in developing polymer organic LEDs.

If the joint venture is successful, Panasonic will make LCD, OEL and plasma flat panels, and even though Samsung has already released an 11-inch OEL TV some time ago, that technology won't scale, it appears.

You can find the nikkei.net report here (subscription needed)
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Has anyone announced a 19" or 20" OLED? The LCD models in this size are totally inaccurate.
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40" consuming only 40 watts?! Thats nice!
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Originally Posted by Isochroma View Post

40-inch OEL screens on way
8 May 2009

Sumitomo and Panasonic are to join forces to make a 40-inch OEL (organic electroluminescent) panel by 2010.

According to nikkei.net, the two firms will start production lines at Panasonic's LCD plant in Japan.

That, according to the report, is only the start of a further series of product releases including a 40-inch OEL TV that will only consume 40 watts, be three millimetres thick, and 20 times brighter than plasma based TVs.

Sumitomo owns UK firm Cambridge Display Technology which had expertise in developing polymer organic LEDs.

If the joint venture is successful, Panasonic will make LCD, OEL and plasma flat panels, and even though Samsung has already released an 11-inch OEL TV some time ago, that technology won't scale, it appears.

You can find the nikkei.net report here (subscription needed)

Wow interesting stuff.

However, I read that this is an OEL TV and it does look like it is different from the OLED TV that we are talking about.

So if I may ask: What is OEL TV and what are the differences and/or similarities between OLED TVs???
post #987 of 5882
Thread Starter 
Different word for the same thing. OEL = Organic ElectroLuminescent
post #988 of 5882
If 40" is doable in 2010 then 50" can't be that far behind. Just keep in mind OLED is new technology and look how long it took plasma and LCD to get it right (~10 years?). OLED probably won't take 10 years to perfect, but early adopters should beware that the first models are sure to have issues, especially about short life-span of some colors. So if you want an affordable and reliable FP 50" or bigger for the next 5 years, I think plasma is still the way to go, especially at today's prices.
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I wonder how much harder it is to produce bigger OLED panels compared to smaller ones. Is the cost of the manufacturing equipment something like linear to the (area) size, and do different techniques have to be used for the larger TVs? I'm guessing the amount of materials used would be linear to cost in any case...
post #990 of 5882
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

If 40" is doable in 2010 then 50" can't be that far behind..

Probably a couple of years, if that.

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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

OLED probably won't take 10 years to perfect, but early adopters should beware that the first models are sure to have issues, especially about short life-span of some colors..

Remember that OLED has been around for a long time and the blue lifespan issue has taken at least 7 years to get to a usable state. Isochroma started this thread 3 years ago and despite all of the prototypes out there we still have seen only one OLED TV on the market.

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So if you want an affordable and reliable FP 50" or bigger for the next 5 years, I think plasma is still the way to go, especially at today's prices.

Agreed
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