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post #61 of 572
It's great to finally see this happen. I've been a long time BR fan (I had my own web site devoted to it at one time found archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/200202071...f.com/la_2019/), and to get this release on DVD and HD-DVD is going to a real treat. The absence of the Workprint is no surprise, since it's almost like watching a completely different film because of the "temporary" music score that plays throughout. The music is out of place making it a little rough to sit through. Die hard fans would love it, though.

I wrote a short review of the WP for the Web site after receiving two copies of it on VHS from a source that cannot be named. Keep in mind that it was written back in early 1999:

The Blade Runner Workprint was originally shown the night of March 5, 1982 at the Continental Theater in Denver & also shown the following evening, March 6, at the Northpark Cinema in Dallas. Audience reaction at the time was mixed, according to Paul M.Sammon's Future Noir. Many had trouble understanding the story, while others were blown away by the special effects. Because of this, several changes were made to the film, with the biggest being the added "voiceover" from Harrison Ford throughout all versions, minus the DC. The BR Workprint does have Ford narrating after Batty dies, with an entirely different dialogue. The other big change was to add the "happy ending" sequence, because the BR Workprint ended at the elevator, which company executives thought was too depressing. What did they know?

After watching the BR Workprint once, I noticed most of the newer footage, which is minimal at best. The biggest thing I noticed was the different music, starting with the scene in Deckard's apartment, while Rachael plays the piano. From here on, the music is completely different. It seemed a little more orchestrated and out of place at times, especially during the rooftop scene at the end. According to Future Noir, it was considered "temp" music. Vangelis hadn't finished his work just yet. All I can say is that they made the right choice in removing it from the final print!

There are all kinds of added scenes throughout the BR Workprint. Some of the added scenes include a longer shot of Holden, after getting shot by Leon; a shot of Deckard's meal at the noodle bar, which shows 2 large shrimp, with noodles and a mound of rice; and a long crane shot of Deckard weaving his way through Animoid Row, after speaking to the Cambodian lady about the snake scale he found in Leon's apartment. The rooftop scene after Batty dies is also different, with a wide master shot of the roof, as Gaff rises up in his spinner. There are also scenes that are missing from the Workprint, all of which are minor.

In conclusion, I think the BR Workprint has enough going for it that it ought to be released to the public. The different music near the end makes this a completely different movie to watch. For the casual BR fan, you're not missing much, but if Warner Bros. decides to release it someday on DVD and/or video, die hard fans will want to get it, as it has a lot of minor differences, of which some are noted in this review. In any event, the BR Workprint will still leave you with the age old question: Is Deckard a replicant?
post #62 of 572
Thanks Dark, that's interesting. I've never seen the workprint and probably wouldn't seek it out but if it were released officially I would take a look at it. Screenings of it do pop up in LA from time to time though.

From what you've said I can certainly see why Ridley wouldn't want that version included in the set. It sounds very rough.
post #63 of 572
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Originally Posted by scorch123 View Post

I'm curious here - what did folks think of the HDnet broadcast of Blade Runner? I think that can tide me over until 2007

- Steve O.

The biggest problem with HDNet's showing is that they only ran it for one period during the month of September, '05. That's it. Why they haven't run it more often is hugely exasperating to me. They show My Fair Lady every month, fercryinoutloud!

My cable company screwed up the 5C copy protection flags for the two HDNets for one month, and it just had to be that month, so I never got it recorded to D-VHS. I've been waiting for HDNM to re-run it, but they don't seem to have any inclination to do so, or perhaps they're prevented by contractural obligations. It sure would be nice though.... just one more time....
post #64 of 572
The HDNet showing was by far the best looking I've ever seen the film and now that it's finally coming out again I don't feel so bad about losing it when I swap my 942 for a 622.
post #65 of 572
Dark

Thanks - I've yet to see the work print, but agree that any version without a full Vangelis score would not play well. The music is a very big part of the film's `Feel' for me.

Even though the analog synths used back then will easily hold for a 2 track redo, I hope there's an available multi track audio on something other than 2inch tape for the producers to work with. Any thing that age that didn't get a digital transfer 10 to 12 years ago, would literally be falling off the magnetic bond when it passes the 24 track machine. I've witnessed this myself, and it's a horror for something important.

The foley and score on Alien was right about the same time period, and very difficult to improve on the Quad set.

E
post #66 of 572
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

The foley and score on Alien was right about the same time period, and very difficult to improve on the Quad set.

Agreed...The Quad set is a fantastic example of how to present a great franchise on dvd.
Even the wife was amazed at the amount of effort and affection that went into bringing this out.
And the same team will be doing the upcoming BR set!
A little bit of manna from...
post #67 of 572
Scott's "Kingdom of Heaven:The Directors Cut" is another well put together DVD set although I wish some of the special features from the first release had been added, the historical timeline being one of them.
post #68 of 572
BLDE RUNNER was only shown for a short period of time because Warner charges an armload for it. Same thing with THE FIRM (via Paramount). How many times was that shown? 3, maybe? The A titles are pretty much shown a handful of times and that is it.
post #69 of 572
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post

From DigitalBits:

This coming September, there will be a new limited DVD release (HD-DVD & Blu-ray Disc are also planned) of the restored 1992 Director's Cut (you know... the one that isn't really a director's cut). This will be available for just four months. We believe this is basically the 2-disc release that Warner had originally planned to bow LAST year.

So let me get this straight- they're only going to sell the HD-DVD and BR versionsfor four months...likely before a standard is determined by the market, or a single player comes out (if ever) that supports both. They're forcing purists to buy both copies.

Lame.
post #70 of 572
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So let me get this straight- they're only going to sell the HD-DVD and BR versionsfor four months

No, They're only going to sell the 1992 Director's Cut version alone for 4 months, then next year they will release a deluxe set with 4 versions of the film. Though plans aren't solid yet both versions should be available on DVD, HD-DVD, and BR.
post #71 of 572
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Originally Posted by joekun View Post

No, They're only going to sell the 1992 Director's Cut version alone for 4 months, then next year they will release a deluxe set with 4 versions of the film. Though plans aren't solid yet both versions should be available on DVD, HD-DVD, and BR.

3 or 4 new versions of this. Ahhh ? Hmm ?

Guess an avid collector could have these along with the VHS,LD,IntVersion,USDC,WorkPrint.....what else?

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post #72 of 572
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

3 or 4 new versions of this. Ahhh ? Hmm ?

Guess an avid collector could have these along with the VHS,LD,IntVersion,USDC,WorkPrint.....what else?

E

An avid collector probably wouldn't bother with VHS for any movie. That format was always worthless.
post #73 of 572
Not when it was the only version available.
post #74 of 572
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Not when it was the only version available.

LD was around before Blade Runner was made. Not sure when the first LD version of it came out, but it was probably around the same time as the VHS copy.
post #75 of 572
Could be, I didn't think about LD.

IMDB shows the Criterion edition at 1989. It lists another Warner edition but gives no date. Amazon shows a release date of 1982 for the VHS.
post #76 of 572
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Originally Posted by Randybes View Post

OH YEAH


The forties coif, tailored dress, ruby red lipstick, smoky noir lighting; the way her heels click on that gleaming floor....... Sizzling, yes. Pity she turned out to be such a loon in real life.
post #77 of 572
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

An avid collector probably wouldn't bother with VHS for any movie. That format was always worthless.

Several classics of film and TV are *only* available on VHS or beta. A real film lover will take and enjoy what he can get. Incidentally, a commercially made VHS in good condition can be captured and postprocessed to appear roughly as good as an average satellite digital SD broadcast.
post #78 of 572
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IMDB shows the Criterion edition at 1989. It lists another Warner edition but gives no date. Amazon shows a release date of 1982 for the VHS.

LDDB shows Criterion at 1987 with a Japanese release using the same transfer streeting on 12/15/1987. They show a 1983 LD release as well, probably around the same time as the VHS as I doubt the VHS was released before '83 (despite what amazon might say). Release windows were much longer back then.

Of course, before the Criterion came out a REAL film lover probably would've imported the 1985 Japanese LD to replace their 1983 LD copy

Blade Runner LDs

Man I have a lot of time on my hands debating 23 year old video releases
post #79 of 572
Weren't there two Criterion versions? I seem to recall reading about a Criterion version with extras included that showed the models of the city used in filming and other information. I have the Criterion cat# CC1169L and there are no extras. I also have the CAV LD# 12682 and it is one minute shorter than the Criterion version.
Scott
post #80 of 572
Criterion had a CAV version with supplement, and a CLV version.
post #81 of 572
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Originally Posted by joekun View Post

Of course, before the Criterion came out a REAL film lover probably would've imported the 1985 Japanese LD to replace their 1983 LD copy

Nah, a real film lover would spend as much time as possible watching movies, in whatever format is available. You are thinking of AV-obsessed collectors
post #82 of 572
Now that I think about it a real film lover probably has a 35mm film print of it
post #83 of 572
Nah, a REAL film lover would have one of the original origami, purchased at auction, in a glass enclosed nook in his HT.
post #84 of 572
Yes, oink, and that origami would be the unicorn, proving that
I just can't help myself...
post #85 of 572
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Originally Posted by joekun View Post

Now that I think about it a real film lover probably has a 35mm film print of it

No, no, no. That's a reel film lover.
post #86 of 572
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

Yes, oink, and that origami would be the unicorn, proving that
I just can't help myself...


LOL!
post #87 of 572
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Originally Posted by joekun View Post

Of course, before the Criterion came out a REAL film lover probably would've imported the 1985 Japanese LD to replace their 1983 LD copy

Blade Runner LDs

I have all of the NTSC laserdiscs listed on that page.
post #88 of 572
Why am I not surprised Josh? That's an awful lot of Blade Runner LDs
post #89 of 572
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

Yes, oink, and that origami would be the unicorn, proving that
I just can't help myself...

UK, you're killin' us here.

You know what? I'm almost willing to compromise. Say, the pro-replicant faction can have the Director's Cut with it's added unicorn dream, and us anti-replicant folks can have the theatrical version with my beloved voiceover and the sappy happy ending.

But in the end, I just can't. 'Cause I'm right.

At any rate, we all win with this new release that's got 'em both. 'Bout time! Now, the only question will be: Do I buy it in DVD, or wait for the HD version? Aw, who am I kidding? It'll probably be both.
post #90 of 572
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Now, the only question will be: Do I buy it in DVD, or wait for the HD version? Aw, who am I kidding? It'll probably be both.

There's no question I'll be getting both, or all 3 if it's HD-DVD and BD. Maybe I can auction off my vintage 1996 Warner Home Video Director's Cut DVD to pay for the new ones.
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