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post #61 of 4010
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Originally Posted by HealeyGuy View Post

Adding to the mix is that Comcast also is promising a Panasonic cable box as an alternative to the Motorola box: Panasonic & Comcast agreement

I wonder if the TIVO option will be packaged with this seemingly more-capable box.

That's an interesting press release. The Panasonic box is definitely better, hardware-wise, than the Moto boxes. I also find the H.264 capabilities on the Panasonic box to be telling. That sounds like IPTV delivery to me.

Now, of course, it depends on if TiVo is creating software to take advantage of a lot of the new festures in the Panasonic box. Some of that can be addressed via software, which would mean TiVo could bring those to the Moto boxes, too. If someone would just enable the SATA connection on the back of the 34xx/64xx, then the space issue would be resolved.

But the Panasonic boxes sound slick - at least on paper.
post #62 of 4010
Based on the issues that we've seen with H.264 encoded HD playback on PC's, I think it's a safe bet that any STB would need a hardware decoder to keep up. TiVo won't be able to write a software decoder that would be able to work fast enough on the Motorola hardware.

There's not much else in the press release that seems innovative. I only noticed the active USB 2.0 ports to allow digital cameras to be hooked up to the television and the HDAVI control protocol.
post #63 of 4010
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Originally Posted by galfridus73 View Post

I'm not sure how "hackable" the 34xx/64xx might be. I have a suspicion that hacking one of those boxes might not be as easy(!) as hacking one of the regular TiVo boxes is.

Not to mention that you would be hacking a box that you don't own!
post #64 of 4010
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Originally Posted by miimura View Post

If you're unable to get the DVR without Digital Silver, I would go ahead and get it on a promotion and then cancel the Digital Silver after the promotion runs out and see if they try to take away the DVR. I would guess that they won't.

Yes, that could work, but I would say, one would need to keep at least Standard service; as they have asked for the DVR back from a few Basic subs, I recall.

Here, it actually is just Digital Classic. Here, Digital Silver is a package deal.

When DVRs were new here, when I ordered, they were ready to give me a DVR with just Standard, but I wanted a Digital service, anyway. Then when I wanted to cancel Expd. they gave me a hard time, eventhough it was allowed per their pamphlet, but they did eventually relent. The point is, they don't know even know all of their own policies.
post #65 of 4010
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

No go, went today and was told I have to have Standard to get the DVR although she could show me no documentation to that effect, supervisor is supposed to call me Monday.

This is typical, you show them something in writing from their own company and they flatly refuse it, ridiculous. I mean, in some areas they only allow Digital with Standard, and therefore, both are needed for the DVR. (I have seen a pamphlet from one such area.) They chose to make Digital a la carte, and Digital gets a DVR, then not honor it.

If the supervisor doesn't allow it over the phone, you should make an appt. to show the prices/services pamphlet and their DVR page to him. If that still doesn't work, you could try Comcast Corporate, (although I don't know who you should call), and then there is the LFA to complain. It is a substantial savings each month, I think you should pursue it.
post #66 of 4010
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Originally Posted by QZ1 View Post

This is typical, you show them something in writing from their own company and they flatly refuse it, ridiculous. I mean, in some areas they only allow Digital with Standard, and therefore, both are needed for the DVR. (I have seen a pamphlet from one such area.) They chose to make Digital a la carte, and Digital gets a DVR, then not honor it.

If the supervisor doesn't allow it over the phone, you should make an appt. to show the prices/services pamphlet and their DVR page to him. If that still doesn't work, you could try Comcast Corporate, (although I don't know who you should call), and then there is the LFA to complain. It is a substantial savings each month, I think you should pursue it.

Yes it is quite a bit, I figure to have the DVR it's costing me over $450 a year(the Standard requirement plus the DVR/HD fee). I have the "supervisor" calling me Monday and I also have a shout out to the SF region VP of marketing as he corresponds with a few of the members in our local thread and "seems" to have a sympathetic ear ...sometimes...
post #67 of 4010
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Originally Posted by shadyInCA View Post

Not to mention that you would be hacking a box that you don't own!

Easily handled:

You buy one and tell Comcast you have your own. There are sixteen 6412s and one 3412 on eBay right now.

Upside is: You own it. You can tamper with it till you're blue in the face.

Downside is: You own it. You can't call Comcast for them to swap it out with a newer model or different box at a later date.
post #68 of 4010
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Originally Posted by weldon View Post

Based on the issues that we've seen with H.264 encoded HD playback on PC's...



Sorry... I haven't had any issues with playing back H.264 on my machines. On all the files I've tried, QuickTime handles it flawlessly on my Macs.
post #69 of 4010
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Originally Posted by galfridus73 View Post


Downside is: You own it. You can't call Comcast for them to swap it out with a newer model or different box at a later date.

And there's a good chance they won't even activate it for you. "Buying" a Moto 64XX for use in the US is not really a good idea, unless you're willing to accept a total loss if they don't support it.
post #70 of 4010
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Originally Posted by galfridus73 View Post

Sorry... I haven't had any issues with playing back H.264 on my machines. On all the files I've tried, QuickTime handles it flawlessly on my Macs.

You misunderstand me. Mac OS X or Windows, PPC or Intel, you need a pretty fast computer to decode HD in real-time. Most people say a G5 or better or P4 3.0GHz or better. My G4 Mac laptop can't do it and my P4 home-built PC can barely do it on a good day (2 years old). Standard Definition H.264 files are easy. High Def files in H.264 take a lot of processing power (more than MPEG-2) and I don't think the CPU in the Motorola box would be up to the task without hardware assist from a dedicated decoder chip (which the 6412 does not have for H.264).
post #71 of 4010
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

And there's a good chance they won't even activate it for you. "Buying" a Moto 64XX for use in the US is not really a good idea, unless you're willing to accept a total loss if they don't support it.

It's more than a 'good chance'. Comcast won't activate a box in the USA that you purchase yourself. There was a recent thread about this in one of the other forums. Some poor sucker bought a 6412 off eBay, plugged it in and called Comcast to activate it. They wouldn't and couldn't!

The poor guy ended up putting it back on eBay to try to sell to someone in Canada, where they DO allow you to use a DVR that you own yourself.

Mark
post #72 of 4010
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Originally Posted by TurboGadget View Post

The poor guy ended up putting it back on eBay to try to sell to someone in Canada, where they DO allow you to use a DVR that you own yourself.

It's actually required in Canada - the providers aren't allowed to rent the equipment to you.

I have heard of cases in the States where it has happened, and I've heard of cases where it hasn't, but I'm sure there's a secret handshake involved somewhere. And possibly the use of a Lousiville Slugger.
post #73 of 4010
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Originally Posted by weldon View Post

You misunderstand me. Mac OS X or Windows, PPC or Intel, you need a pretty fast computer to decode HD in real-time. Most people say a G5 or better or P4 3.0GHz or better. My G4 Mac laptop can't do it and my P4 home-built PC can barely do it on a good day (2 years old). Standard Definition H.264 files are easy. High Def files in H.264 take a lot of processing power (more than MPEG-2) and I don't think the CPU in the Motorola box would be up to the task without hardware assist from a dedicated decoder chip (which the 6412 does not have for H.264).

Right... I'm referring to my Intel iMac. It was just a throwaway comment, nothing more.
post #74 of 4010
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Originally Posted by TurboGadget View Post

It's more than a 'good chance'. Comcast won't activate a box in the USA that you purchase yourself.

They will activate a few boxes, including the DCP501. But I doubt they'd activate a DVR.
post #75 of 4010
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Originally Posted by weldon View Post

Based on the issues that we've seen with H.264 encoded HD playback on PC's, I think it's a safe bet that any STB would need a hardware decoder to keep up.

Set top boxes don't have fast enough CPUs to decode even MPEG-2. They do all decoding with dedicated hardware.
post #76 of 4010
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Originally Posted by weldon View Post

You misunderstand me. Mac OS X or Windows, PPC or Intel, you need a pretty fast computer to decode HD in real-time. Most people say a G5 or better or P4 3.0GHz or better. My G4 Mac laptop can't do it and my P4 home-built PC can barely do it on a good day (2 years old). Standard Definition H.264 files are easy. High Def files in H.264 take a lot of processing power (more than MPEG-2) and I don't think the CPU in the Motorola box would be up to the task without hardware assist from a dedicated decoder chip (which the 6412 does not have for H.264).

Not to mention you also need 1 gig or more memory to do H.264 streaming and a good duel 3g CPU.....
post #77 of 4010
There's an interesting piece on Ars Technica that is focused on cable bandwidth, but has implications concerning how the current cablecard tech may not end up cutting it...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060605-6985.html

Something to keep in mind in an S3 vs. HD Moto question.
post #78 of 4010
Here's another thought: TiVo has a VOD clip service coming up next month (http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2006-06/...ut-next-month/) and, of course, Comcast has On Demand.

I wonder how On Demand is going to change in the TiVo software. Sure, it could still be "Channel 1," but if it was actually delivered over broadband to the Moto boxes...

I'm pretty much just talking out loud here... I'm not real familiar with how the On Demand stuff works, or how it could be made to work better in the Moto TiVos.
post #79 of 4010
EDIT Correction: Originally thought this was a new forum on ComcastTiVo (not just a discussion thread on HDTV recorders forum). Based on a arstechnica blog reference, I made a quick and hasty conclusion that wasn't appropriate.

Comcast to begin testing HD TiVo service add-on
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060606-6995.html

PVR Blog's entry that lead me to think that this thread was a separate forum...
http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2006/06/comcast_to_begi.html

Shouldn't this discussion now occur over at the TiVoCommunity site? There are a ton of TiVo users there who are interested in the same thing. Plus, per TiVoPony (referenced in the thread I note below), TiVo Employees monitor that site and set of Forums...not this one. If you even want a chance for a TiVo employee to comment on the talk and speculation on this discussion, it really should occur over there.

Given the interest and widening discussion on this thread, it's probably appropriate for AVS Forums to setup a specific subforum (ComcasTiVO?) off of the TiVoCommunity.com site (it's the same AVS hosted environment, just colored and styled a little differently)

EDIT: I've posted the same question on the main TiVo Community forum too...
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=302941
post #80 of 4010
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Originally Posted by d_anders View Post

Given the interest and widening discussion on this thread, it's probably appropriate for AVS Forums to setup a specific subforum (ComcastTiVO?) off of the TiVoCommunity.com site (it's the same AVS hosted environment, just colored and styled a little differently)

That makes sense to me, and all of your points are right on the mark. I'm willing to follow the thread wherever its home needs to go to, but I (for one) would like to see the current three pages follow. While there is a sizable amount about HD DVRs and service plans, I think there's enough good information and conjecture in this current thread that it would be a shame to lose track of that as the interest widens.
post #81 of 4010
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Originally Posted by d_anders View Post

EDIT Correction: Originally thought this was a new forum on ComcastTiVo (not just a discussion thread on HDTV recorders forum). Based on a arstechnica blog reference, I made a quick and hasty conclusion that wasn't appropriate.

Comcast to begin testing HD TiVo service add-on
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060606-6995.html

PVR Blog's entry that lead me to think that this thread was a separate forum...
http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2006/06/comcast_to_begi.html

Shouldn't this discussion now occur over at the TiVoCommunity site? There are a ton of TiVo users there who are interested in the same thing. Plus, per TiVoPony (referenced in the thread I note below), TiVo Employees monitor that site and set of Forums...not this one. If you even want a chance for a TiVo employee to comment on the talk and speculation on this discussion, it really should occur over there.

Given the interest and widening discussion on this thread, it's probably appropriate for AVS Forums to setup a specific subforum (ComcasTiVO?) off of the TiVoCommunity.com site (it's the same AVS hosted environment, just colored and styled a little differently)

EDIT: I've posted the same question on the main TiVo Community forum too...
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=302941


http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...=291718&page=1
post #82 of 4010
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Originally Posted by d_anders View Post

Shouldn't this discussion now occur over at the TiVoCommunity site?

While there are good arguments to consolidate discussion, there are other threads here about the 6412 with Passport and iGuide software and it makes sense to have another thread for the 6412 w/ TiVo. As time goes on, there will be lots of threads both here and a TiVoCommunity about the 6412 w/ TiVo. If we can point people to one main thread here and one main thread at TiVoCommunity, we'll be doing really well.

I think it would be wiser to let the community decide where most of the discussion will take place.
post #83 of 4010
I currently have an 8300HD box from comcast. How does one go about getting a DCT - 34xx & 64xx box? Does comcast offer them everywhere? I am assuming that the Tivo software will only available for the 34xx & 64xx, correct? What are the differences?

Sorry for the newb questions.
post #84 of 4010
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That's funny...

You do realize that the last post in the thread points to this one, right?

Now, here's a question: If the systems on avsforum and tivocommunity are essentially the same, is there a way to mirror the conversation on both sites?
post #85 of 4010
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Originally Posted by galfridus73 View Post

That's funny...

You do realize that the last post in the thread points to this one, right?

Now, here's a question: If the systems on avsforum and tivocommunity are essentially the same, is there a way to mirror the conversation on both sites?

I am aware, but like weldon said

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Originally Posted by weldon View Post

If we can point people to one main thread here and one main thread at TiVoCommunity, we'll be doing really well.

Also, David Bott has spoken

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...&&#post4102090
post #86 of 4010
I dunno. Would you guys be willing to pay $5 more for the Tivo software? How about $7.50? $10? Comcast is already nickel and diming us to death.

Considering I mainly watch HD locals exclusively, UHD and that's about it. I have no premiums at all. No extended Basic, nada. Would it even be worth it?
post #87 of 4010
Well if the Tivo software fixes all the bugs with the 3412 I will happily pay extra for it.

Right now the 3412 is simply unusable. It's borderline criminal fraud in my opinion. It simply does not work properly without being rebooted every couple of days (at best!) It's worse than Microsoft.
post #88 of 4010
I'd pay $7.50 extra a month for TiVo Software on the 3412. I disagree with the criticisms of the 3412; it's okay. It's not a TiVo, but it is still pretty good.
post #89 of 4010
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

I dunno. Would you guys be willing to pay $5 more for the Tivo software? How about $7.50? $10? Comcast is already nickel and diming us to death.

Considering I mainly watch HD locals exclusively, UHD and that's about it. I have no premiums at all. No extended Basic, nada. Would it even be worth it?

Well, if you move to using a TiVo subscription, it'll be at least $14/month. So, even at $10 more a month, if the features are on par with TiVo's actual feature set, then it would be worth it.

Now, I will say I don't have to reboot my 3412, and I've managed to get it to handle some of the recordings as I want them to... but its definition of "First Run" is laughable. I can't believe that I-Guide is brought to us by TV Guide (not that I'm a TV Guide fan).
post #90 of 4010
OK. According to Comcast Corporate, they are beginning testing in an R&D Lab in Phila. PA. They MIGHT add some beta testers in THAT city only before launch. Launch timing remains 2006 (that's the most they'd say.)
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