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post #181 of 6316
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Originally Posted by big_marcelo View Post

Exactly what I believe also!

I believe the 970 will be a must have for all VP owners (I have a VP30 myself) - unless you are going the SDI route, which is a much more expensive way, for possibly 'similar' results?

it will be a worthwile test.... output 480i from the 970 to a VP, versus SDI to VP......

Has anyone actually done this yet? I just placed a order for the 970 to connect to my VP30. I'm hoping the output is clean enough to allow 30 and 102 to do it's magic. Has their been any negative feedback on the 480i HDMI output? I quickly glanced through and didn't see anything.

Jeff
post #182 of 6316
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Originally Posted by ToneDefJeff View Post

Has anyone actually done this yet? I just placed a order for the 970 to connect to my VP30. I'm hoping the output is clean enough to allow 30 and 102 to do it's magic. Has their been any negative feedback on the 480i HDMI output? I quickly glanced through and didn't see anything.

Jeff

Mine is coming on Friday. I also have a Denon with an SDI mod. I don't know how much time I will have before Sat (then out of pocket for a week)...but if time allows I'll run some quick A/B testing.

Ron
post #183 of 6316
as many have done ive decided to try this player in anticipation of an external scaler to go with my sony Ruby(soon as the Anthem D1-->D2 upgrade becomes available), I figured for the price I cant go wrong, sadly im selling my Denon 5910CI, not in any way because im unhappy with its performance , its the best standalone player ive ever had bar none, but because im trying to raise some extra money for other things in the theater, once you get a 1080p display thats when you really start spending money , scaler,hi def dvd player etc. Heres my situation, having a 40lb universal player built like a tank such as the denon you get spoiled with that kind of build quality, ive NEVER had any operational issues with my 5910CI, so are the oppos known for having operational issues like my momitsu v880 such as sometimes wont play disk, freezing, etc?
post #184 of 6316
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

as many have done ive decided to try this player in anticipation of an external scaler to go with my sony Ruby(soon as the Anthem D1-->D2 upgrade becomes available

My 970HD should come in tomorrow and I will post my impressions in the Anthem D2 "tweaking" thread, when paired with the D2 and Sony Ruby.

I now have the HD-DVD player Toshiba HD-A1. My Samsung Blu-Ray BD-P1000 is coming soon (end of june). And now 480i over HDMI for cheap for standard DVDs. All this with a Gennum scaler and a Ruby.

I think I'm all set!
post #185 of 6316
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

I now have the HD-DVD player Toshiba HD-A1. My Samsung Blu-Ray BD-P1000 is coming soon (end of june). And now 480i over HDMI for cheap for standard DVDs. All this with a Gennum scaler and a Ruby.

I think I'm all set!


youre in denial, this NEVER ends your not set youre just getting warmed up!
post #186 of 6316
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Originally Posted by ToneDefJeff View Post

Has anyone actually done this yet? I just placed a order for the 970 to connect to my VP30. I'm hoping the output is clean enough to allow 30 and 102 to do it's magic. Has their been any negative feedback on the 480i HDMI output? I quickly glanced through and didn't see anything.

Jeff

The only known issue is CUE at 480i. The VP30 should have no problem fixing it. The deinterlacer in the 970HD does a great job with it. It would be cool if somebody does what Carl Sundborn(?) did with the 59avi. He has a Lumagen HDP and there's some way to "measure" or "sample" the digital video being input to it. eg. Send a test pattern of a fixed, solid, gray level and the Lumagen with indicate what it "sees". Carl explains how he did it in the 59avi thread.

larry
post #187 of 6316
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

The only known issue is CUE at 480i. The VP30 should have no problem fixing it. The deinterlacer in the 970HD does a great job with it.
larry

I assume/hope you meant the deinterlacer in the vp30 does a great job with it? After all what we are going after is having the source NOT deinterlaced prior to hitting the outboard scaler.

I thought someone mentioned the CUE issue was corrected prior to the final release of the 970HD?

Jeff
post #188 of 6316
BOB, good views on the Oppo. I order mine yesterday. Talked w/ one of the people in the company. (They are about 40 min. from my home...) I asked him questions about SACD. Granted it was a little stupid to ask how does the SACD sound, but I did ask.
From what I could understand. He told me they collaborated with a high end SACD manufacture/design team, and it is very impressive. Even thou I have a Modified dedicated SACD player, it is one of the reason I wanted this player, and for under $200 it a no brainier- my H880 remote cost moreThis was Wednesday morning and he told me he would ship it out that afternoon, I will not be here this weekend so I told him to ship on Thrusday to get here by MondayI am sure you will all get many reviews next week
post #189 of 6316
I'm very uncertain regarding the SACD capabilities of this player, and I doubt it will compare to a dedicated player (much less a modded one like yours DAB). I suspect that if I do purchase the 970HD, my Sony C555ES will remain in the system for both SACD and CD playback.

I read earlier in the thread that the 970HD converts the DSD signal to PCM for output via HDMI. I wonder if it does the same before analog conversion like some of the Pioneers (as well as other cheap SACD players)? Even if not, I think it would be unwise to expect that SACD performance will come close to a dedicated, modded player costing much more. The value of this player lies in other areas.

For myself, I'm looking for a good all-region/all-format player. And, unlike the preceding Oppo model, it will have to have a good component output (at least until I get an HDMI switcher). It seems to me that this might be the ticket even though Faroudja-related "macroblock enhance" isn't a big problem on my setup. I would expect it'll look better for PAL discs than my el cheapo and getting old Toshiba SD-4900!

Also interested in the DVD-A via HDMI if anyone out there has the equipment to test this. At present, I don't have a receiver/pre-pro that'll take an HDMI DVD-A signal, but I'm hoping to get one soon (my SACD/CD player is hogging the analog multichannel inputs on my current receiver).
post #190 of 6316
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Originally Posted by ToneDefJeff View Post

I assume/hope you meant the deinterlacer in the vp30 does a great job with it? After all what we are going after is having the source NOT deinterlaced prior to hitting the outboard scaler.

I thought someone mentioned the CUE issue was corrected prior to the final release of the 970HD?

Jeff

The VP30 should have no problem filtering the CUE (I don't have a VP30, others here do). The deinterlacer in the 970HD filters the CUE extremely well. Bottom line, it shouldn'd be issue unless you feed 480i to a display or processor that does not filter the problem - like my plasma, that's how I can see it.

larry
post #191 of 6316
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

My 970HD should come in tomorrow and I will post my impressions in the Anthem D2 "tweaking" thread, when paired with the D2 and Sony Ruby.

I now have the HD-DVD player Toshiba HD-A1. My Samsung Blu-Ray BD-P1000 is coming soon (end of june). And now 480i over HDMI for cheap for standard DVDs. All this with a Gennum scaler and a Ruby.

I think I'm all set!

Absolutely! Now just use your equipment and don't come back here, you will be fine and won't know what might be wrong with one of your pieces, probably the Oppo first. More importantly, you won't know what is better.

Chris
post #192 of 6316
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Ok, what am I missing here?...

1. 480i over HDMI - ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS! What are your alternatives to feed a "pure" digital output straight off of the MPEG decoder to your processor? You can get another, much higher priced player OR you can get an el cheapo Sony 975 OR you can get an expensive SDI mod to your existing player.
2. This player also serves as a combi SACD/DVDA player! This unexpected feature solved a problem in my system because I am running out of inputs even on my Lex MC-12, and that ain't easy... So now I can simply replace my Pio 563 with this player and I don't lose a SACD/DVDA player - I gain a high quality DVD digital transport!

Bob,

You are right on the money with all your points, but I wanted to bring a couple of things into the light that have not been brought up yet.

Like Levesque, I have an Anthem Statement D2 which uses the Gennum VXP. Prior to that I had a Lumagen VisionPro HDP which I fed SDI from a Sony DVP-CX777ES Player. I am currently using a Sony DVP-NS975V via 480i HDMI into the D2. The image from the 975 into the D2 is outstanding and easily equals or bests what I saw SDI into the Lumagen.

I ordered the Oppo yesterday and upon arrival I will compare it to the Sony DVP-NS975V. The Sony outputs YCbCr 4:2:2 which is the equivalent of what SDI output is. The Oppo outputs YCbCr 4:4:4. Neither Kris Deering or Stacey Spears has made mention of this and if it makes any difference. Could this be why some have reported to still preferring the overall PQ from their SDI player??

The DVD-A & SACD capability is a nice bonus; however, the audio decoding via HDMI does not switch automatically between Decoded PCM and "Raw" DD, DTS bitstream output. If you choose HDMI 1.1 audio options all decoding takes place in the Oppo and is sent out as PCM. This is fine for SACD and DVD-A to take advantage of the HDMI connection and not have to deal with six (6) analog cables, but for DD & DTS soundtracks it looks like you have to change the audio output options to let whatever SSP or receiver you are using decode the "Raw" bitstream otherwise it will decoded by the Oppo and sent as PCM. Below are the manual quotes.
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Surround Speakers and HDMI 1.1 Multi-Channel PCM Audio Support: If your receiver supports HDMI 1.1 Multi-Channel PCM audio, please set Speaker Setup Page > Down-mix to 5.1 CH and Audio Setup Page > HDMI Audio to Multi-Channel. In this configuration you can enjoy all audio formats using the HDMI connection. The DVD player performs decoding for compressed audio.

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Surround and Dolby Digital or DTS Support, or HDMI 1.0: If the audio system has surround speakers and can support Dolby Digital or DTS with its HDMI input, please set Audio Setup Page > HDMI Audio to SPDIF AND Audio Setup Page > SPDIF Output to Raw. In this case your audio system will perform decoding for Dolby Digital or DTS surround audio. Unfortunately the HDMI standard does not allow DVD-Audio or SACD to be sent over HDMI in this configuration.

I can't wait to receive the Oppo and try it. For the money, it is a no brainer.
post #193 of 6316
As a relative newcomer to this, I'm still trying to grasp the principles behind this player. I can certainly understand why someone with a high-end video processor, like the VP ("Very Pricey") would go for this. But what about less dedicated scalers? I'm specifically thinking about running the output through a Yamaha V2600. Would the upscaling capability of the 2600 work well with a straight 480i player like the 970? Or maybe I should wait a couple of weeks to ask this question until people have had a chance to try it out.
post #194 of 6316
LEVESQUE,

I'm particularly interested in your comparison of upconverting quality between the Oppo and the HD-A1 (SD DVDs, of course) when you get your Oppo. To me, the Toshiba's upconverting quality is one of its best points. The HD is good, but IMO not "enough better" than SD upconverted. If I can get the same quality, plus multi-region to boot, from the Oppo for $149, then it's a no-brainer. The HD-A1 goes back!

Ted
post #195 of 6316
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The DV970HD does not have the Faroudja chipset.

Is this a big deal or is the difference, if any, negligible?

How does the DV-970HD compare side-by-side to the OPDV971H?
post #196 of 6316
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Originally Posted by Ted_K View Post

LEVESQUE,

The HD is good, but IMO not "enough better" than SD upconverted.

Ted


Yeah, OK!
post #197 of 6316
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Originally Posted by ToneDefJeff View Post

I thought someone mentioned the CUE issue was corrected prior to the final release of the 970HD?

Yes, I did. CUE at 480i is supposed to be gone. I can't tell because my display masks it.
post #198 of 6316
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Is this a big deal or is the difference, if any, negligible?

How does the DV-970HD compare side-by-side to the OPDV971H?

Side by side the OPDV971H is much better in terms of motion adaptive de-interlacing, which produces a much more natural (ie. no artificial aliasing) picture. However, this process comes at a cost, as the image is now slightly softer than what you started with.

The DV-970HD produces a much sharper image, but at the expense of high quality de-interlacing. It is not bad, but not great either. If you are planning on playing PAL DVDs as a primary means of viewing films, then you will want to go with the OPDV971H, as the DV-970HD does not support 2:2 Cadence.

Even with all this said, unless you have a television which is larger than 50", the ability to tell the difference between the two is very minor, especially if it is something you havn't been trained (cursed) to see.
post #199 of 6316
Just curious. How come the Denon 3910 which also has Faroudja has a very sharp image while the Oppo 971 is a bit softer? Do they have different Faroudjas.....what else comes into play with this?
post #200 of 6316
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Just curious. How come the Denon 3910 which also has Faroudja has a very sharp image while the Oppo 971 is a bit softer? Do they have different Faroudjas.....what else comes into play with this?

Could be implimentation. I have had no experience with the Denon 3910, but I have used the Panasonic S77/97, and they also appear softer as well.
post #201 of 6316
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Originally Posted by Ted_K View Post

LEVESQUE,

I'm particularly interested in your comparison of upconverting quality between the Oppo and the HD-A1 (SD DVDs, of course) when you get your Oppo. To me, the Toshiba's upconverting quality is one of its best points. The HD is good, but IMO not "enough better" than SD upconverted. If I can get the same quality, plus multi-region to boot, from the Oppo for $149, then it's a no-brainer. The HD-A1 goes back!

Ted

Ted, I'm curious as to what kind of display you have.
post #202 of 6316
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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

Now just use your equipment and don't come back here, you will be fine and won't know what might be wrong with one of your pieces, probably the Oppo first.

I usually test everything new in my video chain with alot of test patterns and real-life material, and I even have some HD test patterns not even on the market yet to test the new HD players. So I will know if the Oppo has a problem...

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

More importantly, you won't know what is better.

Since I'm a reviewer, and usually receive new players and scalers regularly, re-calibrate my video chain with Colorfacts, OpticOne and Accupel each time, I think I will...
post #203 of 6316
I am interested in this player to replace my Pioneer 563A Universal. That player has a problem with the levels between DVD-Audio and SACD, and I need to tweak the output of the subwoofer, increasing it, when playing SACD. Can anyone give an impression of the relative levels between the two formats when played on the new Oppo?
post #204 of 6316
OPPO has updated their website with a very simple DV-971HD and OPDV971H Comparisson page.
post #205 of 6316
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The DV-970HD produces a much sharper image, but at the expense of high quality de-interlacing. It is not bad, but not great either. If you are planning on playing PAL DVDs as a primary means of viewing films, then you will want to go with the OPDV971H, as the DV-970HD does not support 2:2 Cadence.

Whoah, interesting point! I don't think I'm the only one attracted to this player for it's ability to play PAL discs (in fact, that's the primary reason for me). So, not a good player for that purpose?
post #206 of 6316
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Originally Posted by pciav View Post

The DVD-A & SACD capability is a nice bonus; however, the audio decoding via HDMI does not switch automatically between Decoded PCM and "Raw" DD, DTS bitstream output. If you choose HDMI 1.1 audio options all decoding takes place in the Oppo and is sent out as PCM. This is fine for SACD and DVD-A to take advantage of the HDMI connection and not have to deal with six (6) analog cables, but for DD & DTS soundtracks it looks like you have to change the audio output options to let whatever SSP or receiver you are using decode the "Raw" bitstream otherwise it will decoded by the Oppo and sent as PCM.

While this isn't a deal breaker for me, I hope it can be changed via a firmware update. Ideally I'd like DD and DTS to be sent via HDMI as raw bitstream, and DVDA and SACD sent via HDMI as PCM, without having to change settings in the player setup everytime. This way I'd take advantage of the best available processing in the receiver/SSP.

I'm eager to hear results of initial testing to understand more about this.
post #207 of 6316
I have been waiting for (and will still get for my primary setup) the Pioneer DV-696AV-K and Samsung DVD-HD1080 players but I went ahead and ordered the OPPO after having come across it last night on HDBeat (and then here of course).

I will be feeding a HP Pavilion LC2600N 26" LCD HDTV in my secodary setup which doesn't seem to support 480i over HDMI just 480p, 720p and 1080i. I will connect the OPPO via a monoPrice 2x1 manual HDMI switch along with my Directv H20 satellite receiver (which I had to 'remove' the 480i option from).

If I understand pciav's comments and quotes about the audio options correctly, I hope to be able to listen to my SACDs and DVD-Audio discs through the television's speakers. I know good and well that it totally defeats the point of SACD/DVD-Audio sound quality but at least I could enjoy the music in stereo (in theory) in my secondary setup without running additional cables especially since I don't have an A/V receiver or amp of any kind in the setup.

Any feedback on the audio setup I mentioned above (will it work or not) would be appreciated.

I look forward to selling my Momitsu V880 and LiteOn LVD-2001 if this player performs well with my LCD display.
post #208 of 6316
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Even with all this said, unless you have a television which is larger than 50", the ability to tell the difference between the two is very minor, especially if it is something you havn't been trained (cursed) to see.


So for my new 50" Panasonic Plasma would you guys suggest the 970HD or the 971H? Thanks in advanced.
post #209 of 6316
NoThru22,

I have a Toshiba 46H84 RPTV w/HDMI.

Don't get me wrong, I love the HD image quality on most HD-DVDs I've seen with the HD-A1 (going though HDMI), but I also think my upconverted SD DVDs look stunning compared to my multi-region Pioneer 578 with my display doing the upconverting. Almost as good as HD.
My multi-region requirement is what's causing me to look at the Oppo 970. I tried the 971 about a year ago, but I saw macro-blocking on some DVDs. Has subsequent firmware corrected this on the 971?

I'm basically trying to do everything with one player (except for HD, I guess).

Ted
post #210 of 6316
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Originally Posted by Ted_K View Post

I tried the 971 about a year ago, but I saw macro-blocking on some DVDs. Has subsequent firmware corrected this on the 971?

It has been reduced, but not eliminated, through some firmware upgrades which allow you to turn Off DNR, CCS, and TrueLife (previously all three were on without any ability to change them indipendently of each other).
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