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post #31 of 359
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I didn't realize Yamaha still made preamps at all. About 15 years ago, I used to buy some of their equipment, it was also pretty good bang for the buck at the time. I haven't looked or even seen anything by them in a while.
post #32 of 359
I personally think that it's a sad state of affairs when companies like Yamaha, Denon, Sony, Pioneer, etc, who *used* to make very good separates (whether stereo or multichannel), just don't put that much effort into it anymore. I guess they follow the profits, and that's obviously multichannel A/V receivers now.

I have posted this elsewhere, but I have a hope that when the constant race of 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, DD, DTS, DD EX, DTS-ES, HDMI, and the new DD and DTS formats begins to subside, maybe some of these companies will go back and offer separates to try and further stimulate sales and revenue.
post #33 of 359
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Yeah, it would be great if the less esoteric brands made seperates again, can't blame them if there isn't enough money in it, but I would have to think there would be enough for a couple of brands to re-enter the market. Sony went uber high end with the qualia line -some things were actually reasonably priced (not that I could justify a $30,000 project but it looked to me as good as some $45K runco's and faroujda) and others were crazy overypriced. Their ES line was really in the right segment for me though.
post #34 of 359
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I just spoke to a rep who sold Denon equipment but he said he hadn't heard anything about any preamp/processors coming out. Bummer. He of course said he would really like them to release one though.
post #35 of 359
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I just spoke to a rep who sold Denon equipment but he said he hadn't heard anything about any preamp/processors coming out. Bummer. He of course said he would really like them to release one though.

Believe me there not gonna. All the talk of separates companies holding there nose when it come to receivers the same goes the other way around. Yamaha laughed and was very condescending in the way that they dismissed every putting out separates. J.H.
post #36 of 359
The reason that the conversation came to prepro's with Denon Jeff was because I asked him what happened to that big daddy prepro that they were suppose to come out with a couple years ago and he said it turned into the 5805 and then he said they would have a new prepro coming out. We talked about many things in a very short time and I thought he said 1st quarter but I don't remember for sure. Sorry I cant be more helpful! I will ask my local dealer if he said anything to them about this new prepro.
post #37 of 359
I still doubt it.
post #38 of 359
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Craigslue, wether Denon comes through with a prepro or not I appreciate you checking it out with the dealer!
post #39 of 359
It's not gonna happen.....

If you want a high quality pre-pro get a anthem, arcam, lex.,,, etc.

There are affordable pre's also.. ie. Outlaw, sherwood, etc.

Regards,
Jose
post #40 of 359
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

Denon did do a pre/pro in the past. The 8000 or something. Only had Dolby Digital as it came out before DTS became "mandatory."

Yeah the AVP-8000. It was upgraded with DTS later and certified with THX too.
It was essentially a AVR-5600 minus the amps, and retailed for $2800.00,[same as the 5600] back in '97-'98. 4-5K is actually what they would ask for it today, with current technology.
Denon used to sell a high end CD transport Dac combo for $20k!
post #41 of 359
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It was upgraded with DTS later and certified with THX too.

I did not know that. Thanks.
post #42 of 359
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I've looked at the outlaw - not for me
I've looked at the sherwood - OK - not quite what I'm looking for.
I've looked at the Rotel - a few too many production issues have me concerned.
The anthem looks nice but the D2 is a tad out of my price range.

If Denon did make a $4000 prepro, I would hope that it could be purchased from an A dealer for a max of $3500 - which is a bit much for me but if it was worth it I'd make the investment.
post #43 of 359
Closest I have seen to something like this is the NAD T175 due out in Jan-Feb. I think it's only going to be HDMI 1.1 or HDMI 1.2 though. I'd still like to see a really nice denon prepro though, in the 4-5k price range, with Balanced outputs, advanced Audyssey features and HDMI 1.3, but I haven't heard anything that would lead me to believe they are doing a prepro anytime soon.
post #44 of 359
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Closest I have seen to something like this is the NAD T175 due out in Jan-Feb. I think it's only going to be HDMI 1.1 or HDMI 1.2 though. I'd still like to see a really nice denon prepro though, in the 4-5k price range, with Balanced outputs, advanced Audyssey features and HDMI 1.3, but I haven't heard anything that would lead me to believe they are doing a prepro anytime soon.

I heard a rumor that the PS3 is responsible for a shortage of 1.3 hdmi chips. I hate to believe that just one gaming/av component on the market is responsible for a shortage since so many things might benefit hdmi 1.3. I agree about the Denon - very much what I'm looking for -

Ideally:
3 HDMI 1.3 in, 2 out

DTS HD ready

DD True HD ready

DD 2.0 headphone jack

Knob volume control - not notched - I like the illuminated indicator to let you know what it is set for before it closes the circuit for sound.

USB jack in the front for easy firmware updates

True balanced outs

SACD 2.0

Adjustable brightness from remote

It would be great if it had 2 full surround analog ins -

Street price below $4K

A bluetooth 2.0 transmitter for the headphones would be a plus
post #45 of 359
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I heard a rumor that the PS3 is responsible for a shortage of 1.3 hdmi chips.

And that's what it pretty much is, a rumor as far as holding back the use of HDMI 1.3 in everything. The HDMI chips that a DVD player or a PS3 use, are not the same type of chips as what a receiver needs to have. So really the only thing that Sony would hurt by hogging all the HDMI 1.3 transmitter chips, is other types of DVD players.
post #46 of 359
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I heard a rumor that the PS3 is responsible for a shortage of 1.3 hdmi chips. I hate to believe that just one gaming/av component on the market is responsible for a shortage since so many things might benefit hdmi 1.3. I agree about the Denon - very much what I'm looking for -

Ideally:
3 HDMI 1.3 in, 2 out

DTS HD ready

DD True HD ready

DD 2.0 headphone jack

Knob volume control - not notched - I like the illuminated indicator to let you know what it is set for before it closes the circuit for sound.


USB jack in the front for easy firmware updates

True balanced outs

SACD 2.0

Adjustable brightness from remote

It would be great if it had 2 full surround analog ins -

Street price below $4K

A bluetooth 2.0 transmitter for the headphones would be a plus


I agree with everything except for more HDMI 1.3 inputs. Maybe 6 or more. The reason is that everything in the future will have HDMI.
post #47 of 359
I'm not sure if the market for Prepros below $3000 is very big at all. At that price point people are more worried about bang for buck where a receiver will nearly always win.
post #48 of 359
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I don't know if it is large or not, I can say there are a few to choose from - Rotel
Sherwood/newcastle
Adcom
Outlaw
Audio Refinement
B&K
Parasound
Sunfire

Since I said below 4K street I'll include others
ATI
Aragon
Classe
Bryston
Marsh Sound

I'm sure there are many many more but these are the ones I think of. Also there are a large number of people who use their receivers as prepros becauase they like a particular manufacturer who doesn't offere prepros - denon is common for that if you read their forums.

I'm good with 6 or HDMI inputs I was thinking a minimum of 3 but didn't present it that way. I probably won't need 6 HDMI ins but I'll bet there are people out there who would benefit from them so I agree it would be a good thing to have more than 3.
post #49 of 359
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I'll be going to CES this year; if I see or hear anything I'll be happy to post.
post #50 of 359
They could probably show some kind of non-functional mockup of a pre-pro at CES, because they have done it in the past for the last few years. But those also never amounted to anything ever being produced along those lines. So I would not count on anything being shown by them as a pre-pro at CES as being a actual future product.
post #51 of 359
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I've been to quite a few CES shows - I don't recall Denon having a prepro mockup in the past 4 years (can't remember before that). I did ask them a few times if they had one in the works and they did say they are "considering it" but nothing to lead me to believe they actually had one in the works. I did always get the comment along the lines "damn, I wish they did have one though because I'd get one!" from their own sales reps.
post #52 of 359
The Cary Audio Cinema 6 has been well reviewed and can be had for <$2k street. The newer Cary Cinema 11 is an upgrade in many ways and has balanced outputs, but omits video switching entirely. It should sell for about the same price or a little more, than the Cinema 6.
post #53 of 359
These were the Prototypes they last showed. There was also a Video Processor but I don't have that image to hand.
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post #54 of 359
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

These were the Prototypes they last showed. There was also a Video Processor but I don't have that image to hand.

Those were the mock ups at CES back in 2004. It would be nice if they would come out with a pre/pro based on the 5805 platform minus the amps. I want be holding my breath though.
post #55 of 359
I have said this before but its never gonna happen. These companies may have flirted with the idea but not any more. I will be completely and totally surprised if it happens.
post #56 of 359
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I've been to quite a few CES shows - I don't recall Denon having a prepro mockup in the past 4 years (can't remember before that). .

They had them a few times and even different ones, one was back when the 5803 was still their flagship AVR. And another different one even when they were first coming out with the 5805, and with that mockup being heavly based on the 5805 I think. In fact they were even posted about online including pictures of the mockup, in one of the numerous CES reviews that were done at the time. You just did not see them for some reason, or maybe because they might have been one of those things that could be seen only by special private showings.
post #57 of 359
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Hadn't thought of the private showings - thanks. I've been to some private showings but never one for Denon. Glad I hadn't or I'd have been very bummed when their prepro didn't make it to market.
post #58 of 359
I dont even need the Pre part all I need is the latest greatest Pro!

btw Realistic had some amazing great audio products, but the 1980's came and everything became crap. At least they were better than the Otimus/RCA line that replaced them from 87 on.
post #59 of 359
Yeah but a few of the Optimes/RCA products like the 300 disk CD megachanger that they sold, where actually made by Pioneer. And they only thing that they changed on them from the Pioneer branding, was the external logo's that were used on the changer and the remote. And that it was common for them to use name brand manufacturers for rebranding their products no matter what branding they were using at the time, and it still is to this day on some items. But the Realistic branding also had more than their share of junk as well, they both had their good and bad products. And I really don't see where either one as a whole, was much better than the other.
post #60 of 359
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

They had them a few times and even different ones, one was back when the 5803 was still their flagship AVR. And another different one even when they were first coming out with the 5805, and with that mockup being heavly based on the 5805 I think. In fact they were even posted about online including pictures of the mockup, in one of the numerous CES reviews that were done at the time. You just did not see them for some reason, or maybe because they might have been one of those things that could be seen only by special private showings.

At CES 2004 I saw the mock up of the pre/pro and amp they were suppose to be coming out with that never materialized. At the time I believe the pre/pro amp combo was rumored to cost in the 30k neighborhood. It was suppose to compete with the ultra high end. Don't quote me on this but I am pretty sure of the price point they were leading to.
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