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post #241 of 7819
wondering does anyone knows what sony uses in its xbr series regarding display chipset????
post #242 of 7819
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Originally Posted by tangent1138 View Post

More pics from the Sony X-Series thread at avforums:
(clickable links)

HD source:






SD source:





wow
I just saw the current 40 inch bravia on sale for 2700 at cc.
then i ran across this forum. Freaking amazing. I ve been waiting
the last 2 years to buy HDTV LCD. First I drooled over sharp aquos, then the current sony bravia, and now the next series bravia!

I want the 40 inch KDL-40XBR3!

Where are the folks here getting the KDL-40XBR2 version? I saw 2 people here with them.

THere is never going to be a good time to buy a tv. This industy is fast turning into the pc industy. As soon as you buy, it is obselete the next day!
post #243 of 7819
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

the 40" tv is to small for your 6-9ft distance. the 46" will be perfect at the 6ft distance but you will lose detail the further you sit from the tv. sd will look the same but anything hd will become softer and less detailed the further you move away from the tv.

Funny that I just wrote these:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showp...postcount=1887
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showp...postcount=1891
post #244 of 7819
Thread Starter 

i got my numbers from a sound and vision magazine chart and from my experience of owning a 1080p 46". after using this chart i moved my seating to 6ft and i can see a lot more.
post #245 of 7819
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Originally Posted by amitt View Post

wow
Where are the folks here getting the KDL-40XBR2 version? I saw 2 people here with them.

They're not out yet. The pics on this thread are of the UK version.
post #246 of 7819
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

i got my numbers from a sound and vision magazine chart and from my experience of owning a 1080p 46". after using this chart i moved my seating to 6ft and i can see a lot more.

And I got my numbers from reading science books, logical reasoning and calculating.
With 20/20 vision you can see individual pixels from anywhere nearer than 7'.
And smallest detail in natural picture (Kell factor) you can see anywhere within 9' 3".

Funny, but if you want to have 36° viewing angle, which is minimum that THX recommends, it's better to not have so perfect vision, so that the individual pixels do not disturb.
post #247 of 7819
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Originally Posted by toke View Post

And I got my numbers from reading science books, logical reasoning and calculating.
With 20/20 vision you can see individual pixels from anywhere nearer than 7'.
And smallest detail in natural picture (Kell factor) you can see anywhere within 9' 3".

Funny, but if you want to have 36° viewing angle, which is minimum that THX recommends, it's better to not have so perfect vision, so that the individual pixels does not disturb.

Your statement certainly isn't verified with my Sharp 45" displaying 1080i as it's a native display especially viewing in dot-to-dot which according to Sharp Manual = 6 million pixels a 3:1 ratio and I cannot see any pixels until a foot away or less (1080i) and been viewing on this 45" set since December 2005 and I would expect the same event would replicate on a Sony or Samsung 1080 native display.

Viewing CSI Miami or Sunrise Earth in the States I would challenge you to see pixels from that distance with a 6 million fill factor and mine doesn't accept 1080P input but natively displays it and you can get within 6' easily which is why I'm upgrading to the 57" Samsung 1080P soon with an 8.5' VD and does match THX and other HD Charts. I don't know what your source is in Finland but 1080i through a clean feed is amazing and I owned an SXRD with the same results - no pixels to see without getting smack up to the screen in HD. SD is of course another event.
post #248 of 7819
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

Your statement certainly isn't verified with my Sharp 45" displaying 1080i as it's a native display especially viewing in dot-to-dot which according to Sharp Manual = 6 million pixels a 3:1 ratio and I cannot see any pixels until a foot away or less (1080i) and been viewing on this 45" set since December 2005 and I would expect the same event would replicate on a Sony or Samsung 1080 native display.

Then I'll guess your vision is quite far from 20/20.
20/20 vision term was established in late 1800s' and that "normal" acuity is defined to be one arc minute. (Able to see E which is 5 arc minutes wide.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_acuity

Those "6 million" mean subpixels, where 3 of them combines to one "white" pixel.
post #249 of 7819
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Originally Posted by toke View Post

Then I'll guess your vision is quite far from 20/20.
20/20 vision term was established in late 1800s' and that "normal" acuity is defined to be one arc minute. (Able to see E which is 5 arc minutes wide.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_acuity

Those "6 million" mean subpixels, where 3 of them combines to one "white" pixel.

People tend to believe "to be able to see the full details" means "to be able to see the pixel structure(it only appears when they are able to see the ultra thin lines around the pixels)", until you explain this to people, I am sure they will have difficult time to understand you.

Wish everyone luck with their purchase.
post #250 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Max2000 View Post

People tend to believe "to be able to see the full details" means "to be able to see the pixel structure(it only appears when they are able to see the ultra thin lines around the pixels)", until you explain this to people, I am sure they will have difficult time to understand you.

Good point!
I never thought about that.
Those lines between pixels are far thinner than 3 subpixel together.

So for people trying to find nice distance for watching, it should be recommended to look a picture witch have one pixel wide white and black lines and the distance where this would look gray would be the distance where they can't resolve individual pixels anymore.
post #251 of 7819
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

...mine doesn't accept 1080P input but natively displays it


Westa, what do you mean by this statement? If your set does not accept 1080P, how can it natively display the signal? Wouldn't the set deinterlace the 1080i signal to 1080p?
post #252 of 7819
Im behide a little bit is there a 32v2500 coming out ?
post #253 of 7819
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i think we should get this thread back on topic.
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Originally Posted by supraman x View Post

Im behide a little bit is there a 32v2500 coming out ?

yes, for now its is known as the kdl-32xbr2. it should be out september.
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i just noticed on the new bravia page they now list 8ms response time for xbr2/3 and v2500. other than that no news
post #254 of 7819
My local Sound Advice/Tweeters contact told me the XBR3 is expected in their warehouse in August. My name is now on a 46".
post #255 of 7819
I noticed that the upcoming toshiba regza 1080ps have 12bit video processing and the sonys have 10. What benefit can come from processing an extra two bits video, besides the obvious "your processing 2 bits more" Looking for a bigger picture answer. Is the 2 bits even worth it, or is it negligible.
post #256 of 7819
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Originally Posted by MES View Post

I noticed that the upcoming toshiba regza 1080ps have 12bit video processing and the sonys have 10. What benefit can come from processing an extra two bits video, besides the obvious "your processing 2 bits more" Looking for a bigger picture answer. Is the 2 bits even worth it, or is it negligible.

sony's processing specs are unknown for the xbr2/3 and even v2500. you must be thinking of the the new samsungs out with 10 bit.
post #257 of 7819
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

sony's processing specs are unknown for the xbr2/3 and even v2500. you must be thinking of the the new samsungs out with 10 bit.


woops Bouncing between forums is getting me confused. So many tvs to keep track of
post #258 of 7819
I will be seated apox. 5-7' from my display. More towards the 5' side. Which of the xbr 3s would be best for me? Too lazy to figure it out.
post #259 of 7819
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Originally Posted by bluescreen View Post

They're not out yet. The pics on this thread are of the UK version.

Great I live in Europe, any links please?
post #260 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Furious Knight View Post

Great I live in Europe, any links please?

http://shop.sonystyle-europe.com

Click Televisions on the left menu, chose 46".
post #261 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Max2000 View Post

http://shop.sonystyle-europe.com

Click Televisions on the left menu, chose 46".

Yeah, I know that website, but thanks still.

So does that meant that the KDL-46XBR2 in Europe is called: KDL-46X2000U?

Cause if it its, it is a hell lot expensive! They sell it for (MSRP: £ 3,999.00 VAT incl.) Makes about 6,000

I am kinda disapointed...
post #262 of 7819
xbr3 in 32"?
post #263 of 7819
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Originally Posted by delusive1 View Post

xbr3 in 32"?

Nope, just 40" and 46".
post #264 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Furious Knight View Post

So does that meant that the KDL-46XBR2 in Europe is called: KDL-46X2000U?

That's right.

The XBR3's price is 4,300 USD for 40", 5,300 USD for 46". For XBR2, it's 4,000 for 40" and 5,000 for 46". I am not sure if it's more or less than Europe though.
post #265 of 7819
I've been looking for a TV for the last 3-4 years and have not found anything that I like. SED really looked like what I was interested in, but with the delays, I might as well find something for now. I've been considering the 46XBR2 and the new 50/55 SXRDs. 60" is too large, and they don't make a 50/55" XBR SXRD anymore.

So what are the thoughts on this side of the fence? I currently hae a 36" XBR CRT that I really like and I've been feeding it HD and love it, but when I see my friends plasmas, dlps, etc, I feel like my older TV is better.

Also, sitting around 8' away, but keeping in mind that this TV might be here temporarily and then moved to a living room or some where if SED every comes to fruition.

So thoughts?
post #266 of 7819
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Originally Posted by jimmycricket View Post

I will be seated apox. 5-7' from my display. More towards the 5' side. Which of the xbr 3s would be best for me? Too lazy to figure it out.

40" just make sure you sit at the 5ft distance for hd signals.
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

I've been looking for a TV for the last 3-4 years and have not found anything that I like. SED really looked like what I was interested in, but with the delays, I might as well find something for now. I've been considering the 46XBR2 and the new 50/55 SXRDs. 60" is too large, and they don't make a 50/55" XBR SXRD anymore.

So what are the thoughts on this side of the fence? I currently hae a 36" XBR CRT that I really like and I've been feeding it HD and love it, but when I see my friends plasmas, dlps, etc, I feel like my older TV is better.

Also, sitting around 8' away, but keeping in mind that this TV might be here temporarily and then moved to a living room or some where if SED every comes to fruition.

So thoughts?

the 60xbr2 would be perfect at your viewing distance and has a lot more to offer than the other sxrd's.
post #267 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Max2000 View Post

That's right.

The XBR3's price is 4,300 USD for 40", 5,300 USD for 46". For XBR2, it's 4,000 for 40" and 5,000 for 46". I am not sure if it's more or less than Europe though.

Thanks, it seems more expensive in Europe. Because 5,000$ in Euro makes, 3,900. And in Europe they are selling it for 6,000 which is about 7,600$... What a bunch of little thieves
post #268 of 7819
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Originally Posted by dicey View Post

To answer the questions about the bezels, they will be available in a few different colors but you can spraypaint them any color you want or have it done by a paint shop. They had a XBR2 hung on a wall and had painted the bezel the same color as the wall, and combined with acrylic frame, it looked like the image was floating! Very cool.

Oh, and the extra $300 for the XBR3's buys you better speakers ......and thats it!

Okay, that did it... I want the 40XBR2. What a great idea... wall mounted with matching bezels! With a white wall you wouldn't even need to paint, just get the white bezels. I think I'll get a couple extra ones just to have (probably cost an arm and a leg though). I've been waiting and waiting for 1080p and now that they're arriving, one with the wow factor to justify the cost. The xbr2 sure looks promising... they, both sizes, could be the hit models this fall & christmas.
post #269 of 7819
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Originally Posted by dicey View Post

. . . the extra $300 for the XBR3's buys you better speakers ......and thats it!.

It also buys you a black remote as opposed to silver. And, I believe there's something different about the stand (maybe black instead of silver).

Byrne
post #270 of 7819
I'm just curious if there are others like myself that are debating between buying the Sharp 37D90U 1080p set that is out right now or waiting for the XBR2/3. What do you guys think based on the released specs might give the XBR2/3 the edge (other than the size)?
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