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post #5191 of 7819
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Originally Posted by nosmoke View Post

Can anyone kindly tell me the difference between the XBR2 and XBR3. I have looked at the specs and they appear the same with the exception of bezel etc.

Thanks for any info........

This has been asked and aswered numerous times on this forum. Do a search and be patient with the hits.

cheezz
post #5192 of 7819
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Originally Posted by BriS2K View Post

If there's no way to change it, then I can't understand why Sony would do this on the more expensive XBR2/3 sets...

Have you checked other XBR2/3 sets that you're saying they all have this problem? I don't think anyone here has that problem otherwise you'd have gotten your answer.

cheezz
post #5193 of 7819
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Originally Posted by BriS2K View Post

I posted this question before, but maybe someone has some answers.

Regarding the on-screen menu/osd...I did a side-by-side comparison of the 40XBR3 and 40V2500. Why does the XBR2/3 menu appear fuzzy like it is upscaled or using some kind of anti-aliasing, where as the V2500 is sharp, native res, no fuzziness? The signal source into both sets was 1080i (HD Discovery).

I'm considering the 46XBR3 but this fuzzy menu is a little annoying. Is there an option in the menu to change this? or is there a firmware update to fix it?

If there's no way to change it, then I can't understand why Sony would do this on the more expensive XBR2/3 sets...

my xbr2 menu is sharp on all inputs regardless of input resolution, the setup you were looking at musta been whack
post #5194 of 7819
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Originally Posted by 3Gun View Post

I think DVD Freaky got his 52 XBR2 today, and he's furiously swapping back and forth comparing his 46 to his new 52. I can just picture him being so engrossed in his new TV that he doesn't come up for air and post for days.

Prosit!
-3Gun

Haha...CLOSE, 3Gun. The 52XBR3 is supposed to be delivered in the next couple of days, but I have to decide what to do. The 46XBR2 that I got looks great...no noticeable clouds. But it does have the "flashlight effect" out of the upper left and right corners....but that effect DOES fade about 30 minutes after warmup/powering on. After that, the set looks great.

I am so exhausted that I may just keep the 46. I am scared of moving the 46 around my place and causing more stress/clouds. You have to realize...I have bought and returned 7 televisions, yes SEVEN, in the past 3 months (including 3 Samsung LCD's, a 'banding' Sharp and a few cheap plasmas that I hated). I am exhausted with this entire process. The 46XBR2 I have now is clearly the best of the lot so far.

If I do accept delivery of the 52, the whole comparison begins and that will be positively exhausting as well.

Bottom line: does anyone know if the flashlight effect gets better or worse over time? Could you live with a tv that had the effect...knowing it dissapears each time after about 30 min?
post #5195 of 7819
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Originally Posted by ValkyrieStation View Post

So...is there a single soul out there getting that 70 XBR3?

Man just seeing a TV like that makes me stride to do well in college and get a good job when I graduate. (Lol I'm kidding...though I would love to have that TV...)

Now that we're a bit into 2007, When do you guys think Sony will stop selling these 2006 XBR2/3 models officially (like in their sonystyle.com website)? Like around June/July when maybe their new sets come out? When did they stop selling XBR1s last year for example?

I would get it when they make the price more consumer friendly. I will need a TV for my living room for the analog shutdown party.
XBR1's stop selling once they ran out, but I think they discontinued making them once the XBR 2 was released. Any one who bought the XBR 1 after august can give a better time frame by looking at the date produced. I know there will be an upgrade it is inevitable but these sets sold so good that they might not rush to do a total upgrade this year. They have shown us the future with the 70" Those specs will have to be able to be transferred to a 40, 46, & 52 at a retail level for sale. I think they will ride out the year since XBR 2 & 3 are still hot sellers and the release of the 52 late in the year has given them some steam. Maybe early next year. They XBR 1 was out for just over a year but didn't sell like these sets are. That was Sony's get back into the market TV. The XBR 2& 3 might last longer due to sales.
Personally I have my XBR 2 so I hope they do wait it out and give us a quality model like the 70" looks to be. I don't think there is any of us here that would pay that 30k price but if you give those specs at XBR 2 & 3 40, 46, 52 release prices, I know I would be first in line.
post #5196 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Cannibal Corpse View Post

Hi All,
On a separate note, does anyone know why I get this message when I watch DVDs:


http://www.clogix.net/pix/audio02.jpg


I have simply plugged my FiberLink audio cable from the back of DVD player to the back of my A/V unit (non HDMI, older Sony Model). This message is displayed when an audio source changes (from 2.0 DD to 5.1 for example)

Any help would be greatly appreciated. This message is driving me crazy!!!

Thanks in advance.

heer's your problem, you are using an older DVD player with this TV. What is wrong with you man! You need to be using an upconvert at a minimum.

Do you have any sound being sent to the TV from the DVD? Does it happen with all your DVD's? Your problem might be (just giving ideas)you still need to have sound sent to the TV. Just something to look into.
post #5197 of 7819
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Originally Posted by spincut View Post

hey, i'm thinking about returning my XBR2, i got it from Amazon (did anyone else get and return theirs there?) and usually amazon is pretty darn easy to return stuff to but i've never had something this big. Would they send someone to pick it up and pack it the same way they had freight shippers come and unpack it for me? i mean ,it's not like i can just print out a USPS sticker and carry it under my arm to the post office.

on top of that i had people mount it for me on the wall and so now i cant get it down by myself so i dont know what to do

i seriously feel like crying, i didnt know about this issue when i bought the television and so at the time i got it because i figured it would be the LEAST HASSLE FREE considering its rep of being the best and i wouldnt have any problems with it, now it's doing just the opposite and considering i just moved into a new house, i got enough stuff to deal with.

either that or i was thinking of just calling an independent tv repair man and seeing what he could do for me so i dont have to deal with somehow unmounting it and getting it back to amazon, although i dont know what he would do, at least he wouldnt be a useless sony rep with a software update.

I am assuming you are returning this TV because of a clouding issue that is affecting your PQ, Understandable but stop and consider a few things.
Do not let anyone touch this TV but an authorized SONY repair man!!! If you do you open a maze of trouble that you will not be able to get out of.

First thing first. Your TV is under warranty and Amazon is a certified dealer. Call Sony and ask them where is the closest Authorized repair shop, sometimes it could be a little mom and pop shop right down the street. If you have a place close to you, they should be able to make an in-home pick up and do the repairs. Or send it to SONY for you. Plus if you can wait a fix is going to be available soon. If you can wait, I would wait if I was you.

If you are annoyed enough that you don't want to deal with that. Call Amazon and ask them of their return policy, be carefull because this can be very expensive. they might charge you 15% restocking fee, plus they will not do what you want(dismount and repack) That may be an extra service. Not sure about it but this is what I have read about them and big items. If they sent it "freight" that means they only delivered it and maybe check it for any damage. I think Amazon will send you another freight label for you to send it back and you might have to pack it. Just seems like a lot of trouble to give up so fast. I know the Clouding can be bad but exhaust all other options before sending the TV back. Good luck man!
post #5198 of 7819
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Originally Posted by joejoe0282 View Post

Glad to hear someone got the firmware...has anyone got the firmware to see if it does remove the clouds...the clouds are the only thing drawing me away from the TV, if the firmware actually does get rid of the clouds then I would get the 40xbr2 model...but if all it is doing is just masking the clouds (from what I am reading) by turning the display off if there is no signal going to the input, then while watching a dark scene of a movie, you would see the clouds. I am curious to know If this firmware does indeed get rid of the clouds

If the back light issue that Dog talks about is eliminated then technically the cloud issue should be eliminated also. Because now you will not have the BL on while on a blank input. We really won't know how good it fixes the clouding issue that affected PQ until the "fix" is widely available. I hope for all that have waited and lived with this problem are able to finally be truly happy with these TV's.
post #5199 of 7819
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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger View Post

So then, you wouldn't need a dvd player that upconverts?

That is a good question. However you would still need an upconvert DVDplayer. The TV is converting the res into 1920x1080 lines, but it is not improving the PQ or clarity of the image. In turn a 480 signal is being converted to 1920x1080 but the tv is making up or doubling the image to get it to that resolution. There is a better technical way to describe it but that is easy man way. One of the reasons why SD can be a little raw with these tv's.
post #5200 of 7819
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Originally Posted by nuttyinnyc View Post

That is a good question. However you would still need an upconvert DVDplayer. The TV is converting the res into 1920x1080 lines, but it is not improving the PQ or clarity of the image. In turn a 480 signal is being converted to 1920x1080 but the tv is making up or doubling the image to get it to that resolution. There is a better technical way to describe it but that is easy man way. One of the reasons why SD can be a little raw with these tv's.

I ordered an Oppo DV-981HD and it should be here today. Upconverts DVD's to 1080p via DCDi by Faroudja. That should make my DVD collection look pretty nice on my 46XBR2.
post #5201 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Nascar Dog View Post

I ordered an Oppo DV-981HD and it should be here today. Upconverts DVD's to 1080p via DCDi by Faroudja. That should make my DVD collection look pretty nice on my 46XBR2.

Yeah, it should look a lot better.

I am surprised by the difference it can make. I thought the XBR2 was reasonably pretty good at upsampling until i tried my secondary Panasonic S97 HDMI (upsampling to 1080i) player on it. Now I have to look into getting one of these Oppos for use with the XBR
post #5202 of 7819
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Originally Posted by ru1thirst View Post

Ya, that is what I was afraid of. I just now got done taking the tv out of the entertainment center and disconnecting everything. Moved it across the room and just plugged it into an outlet over there. By pressing the power on button on the side of the set, still not a thing. 1 good night of viewing this thing. What an expensive night that turned out to be so far. Not funny I know but have to lighten the mood over here in the house. Thanks for you help. Those button sequences are good to know. Hopefully won't ever need them when the new set gets here.
Update: Just got off the phone with Sony and the 3 repair centers in this area are all booked for over 2 weeks! What a pain this has turned into! Vent, vent, vent.....

Where did you get the TV from? Sony should be your last option, call the retailer first. I am hoping you bought it at a big retailer and not online. They will take exchanges. Especially since it sounds like she only had the TV for a few days. Online retailers might give you a little more of a fight but be strong for her and make the calls. Do not take NO for an answer! That is an obvious defect, however to me it really sounds like a power surge. That can screw up any TV. Don't tell them that. Was this TV connected right to the wall? Did you have a quality surge protector? I am not saying it needs to be MONSTER just one with a built in circuit break. Those are usually the best. Was the TV the only component not working?

Stay positive, this seems like a world is over circumstance but everything can be fixed. Don't focus on the cost of the item and remember we are here to help you!!
post #5203 of 7819
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

Yeah, it should look a lot better.

I am surprised by the difference it can make. I thought the XBR2 was reasonably pretty good at upsampling until i tried my secondary Panasonic S97 HDMI (upsampling to 1080i) player on it. Now I have to look into getting one of these Oppos for use with the XBR

I'll let you know how it works later this week.
post #5204 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Nascar Dog View Post

I ordered an Oppo DV-981HD and it should be here today. Upconverts DVD's to 1080p via DCDi by Faroudja. That should make my DVD collection look pretty nice on my 46XBR2.

really, they claim it upconverts to 1080p? But the next question is which 1080p? Because then you get into fps(frames per sec) 24, 32, and 60. Then it gets to technical to even care. Either way I have heard a lot of good things about that brand so they should really look good, especially on these Tv's. Are they expensive?
post #5205 of 7819
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Originally Posted by nuttyinnyc View Post

I am assuming you are returning this TV because of a clouding issue that is affecting your PQ, Understandable but stop and consider a few things.
Do not let anyone touch this TV but an authorized SONY repair man!!! If you do you open a maze of trouble that you will not be able to get out of.

First thing first. Your TV is under warranty and Amazon is a certified dealer. Call Sony and ask them where is the closest Authorized repair shop, sometimes it could be a little mom and pop shop right down the street. If you have a place close to you, they should be able to make an in-home pick up and do the repairs. Or send it to SONY for you. Plus if you can wait a fix is going to be available soon. If you can wait, I would wait if I was you.

If you are annoyed enough that you don't want to deal with that. Call Amazon and ask them of their return policy, be carefull because this can be very expensive. they might charge you 15% restocking fee, plus they will not do what you want(dismount and repack) That may be an extra service. Not sure about it but this is what I have read about them and big items. If they sent it "freight" that means they only delivered it and maybe check it for any damage. I think Amazon will send you another freight label for you to send it back and you might have to pack it. Just seems like a lot of trouble to give up so fast. I know the Clouding can be bad but exhaust all other options before sending the TV back. Good luck man!

well if you mean aside from the horrid USB fix that while its being sent to me i probably will not only refuse to install (and cant because the mount blocks the port) but will likely get me into trouble if they ever do get a more appropriate fix.

while i did call and asked them "that fix doesnt sound like it really helps" and their response was "this is the fix we're offering and we consider the matter closed.....but our engineers are constantly working solutions" so i dunno, aside from a class action lawsuit that will take years for sony to honor their commitment and whip their factory into shape so they can replace everyones tv, i dunno what a real solution would be.

unless of course the guy took my suggestion to read the viper technique and pass it onto the engineers so they can actually authorize these cerified repairment to do something for us other than come over and stare at our tv.

btw, sony told me that regardless a repair person wont help me if my tv is mounted, as it has to be fully accessible, i explaiend to them that if their USB update didnt help or made it worse that i would have to spend money to unmoutn it and i wanted to know if a repair man could even help or could actually use a method that may work like the viper technique or if he would just stare at it, and the guy said "you're getting a bit ahead of yourself".....yeah that pissed me well off, technically i'm already at that point.

I may not return it, i dunno, it may just not be worht the extra money to unmoun it for amazon, and with the really low price "i" got i could probably just sell it (even with the medium clouding) to break even once these new tv's come out with this supposed cloud proof led backlighting (when is that happening? spring?)
post #5206 of 7819
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Originally Posted by nuttyinnyc View Post

really, they claim it upconverts to 1080p? But the next question is which 1080p? Because then you get into fps(frames per sec) 24, 32, and 60. Then it gets to technical to even care. Either way I have heard a lot of good things about that brand so they should really look good, especially on these Tv's. Are they expensive?

It is 1080p 60Hz.

See attached snapsot from the user's manual.
Not very expensive. Less than $300.00 (Canadian)

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html
post #5207 of 7819
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Originally Posted by spincut View Post

well if you mean aside from the horrid USB fix that while its being sent to me i probably will not only refuse to install (and cant because the mount blocks the port) but will likely get me into trouble if they ever do get a more appropriate fix.

while i did call and asked them "that fix doesnt sound like it really helps" and their response was "this is the fix we're offering and we consider the matter closed.....but our engineers are constantly working solutions" so i dunno, aside from a class action lawsuit that will take years for sony to honor their commitment and whip their factory into shape so they can replace everyones tv, i dunno what a real solution would be.

unless of course the guy took my suggestion to read the viper technique and pass it onto the engineers so they can actually authorize these cerified repairment to do something for us other than come over and stare at our tv.

btw, sony told me that regardless a repair person wont help me if my tv is mounted, as it has to be fully accessible, i explaiend to them that if their USB update didnt help or made it worse that i would have to spend money to unmoutn it and i wanted to know if a repair man could even help or could actually use a method that may work like the viper technique or if he would just stare at it, and the guy said "you're getting a bit ahead of yourself".....yeah that pissed me well off, technically i'm already at that point.

I may not return it, i dunno, it may just not be worht the extra money to unmoun it for amazon, and with the really low price "i" got i could probably just sell it (even with the medium clouding) to break even once these new tv's come out with this supposed cloud proof led backlighting (when is that happening? spring?)

That LED you are looking for may be a year away. The 70" has it but there is no schedule for release for that model as of yet. But that will cost you at least nine 46" xbr 2.
What is so bad with the update that you have a problem with? I am confused, especially since you don't have it yet. The mount actual blocks some of your ports? I thought the mounts were suppose to leave all ports exposed? I am not home so forgive me, but isn't the USB on the side of the TV?
If you got such a good price and the clouds do not effect PQ, I would be with you and wouldn't worry about changing it also. To go through a lot of extra expense and have the same problem that would probably piss you off more if you kept the TV. Plus the added expense might negate the savings you got in the first place. Let me know what you decide.
post #5208 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Nascar Dog View Post

It is 1080p 60Hz.

See attached snapsot from the user's manual.
Not very expensive. Less than $300.00 (Canadian)

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html

That is the best this TV supports so go for it. The movies would look as close to an HD-DVD or Bluray as possible. If not better on some conversions. Just my opinion so please don't beat me up HD-DVD & Blu-ray owners. Most of these upconverts claim 1080i, but technically would be displayed at 1080p because these displays are progressive by nature. I am not sure but I think this is the first one that claimed 1080p 60fps. I may upgrade.
post #5209 of 7819
Hi guys..

I have a question about 4:3 content and the KDL-52XBR3 (or even the KDL-52XBR2 ):

What color are the side bars on an unstretched 4:3 picture? Are they black?

I ask, because I am contemplating the purchase of a gorgeous Pioneer Elite plasma 1140, but the D&^#ned thing puts LIGHT grey bars on the sides of 4:3 content and there is no way to change their color to black. This may be a deal-breaker for me..

Any help is appreciated!
post #5210 of 7819
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Originally Posted by nuttyinnyc View Post

That LED you are looking for may be a year away. The 70" has it but there is no schedule for release for that model as of yet. But that will cost you at least nine 46" xbr 2.
What is so bad with the update that you have a problem with? I am confused, especially since you don't have it yet. The mount actual blocks some of your ports? I thought the mounts were suppose to leave all ports exposed? I am not home so forgive me, but isn't the USB on the side of the TV?
If you got such a good price and the clouds do not effect PQ, I would be with you and wouldn't worry about changing it also. To go through a lot of extra expense and have the same problem that would probably piss you off more if you kept the TV. Plus the added expense might negate the savings you got in the first place. Let me know what you decide.

what about the new high contrast samsungs and such shown at CES? i thought they were due for springish? heck werent the sharp 92u's shown alongwith them and most of those are already out! (except the 40" one)

and the update is bad because everyone whome has used it has the same "issue" and not had it fixed, i frankly do not WANT forced auto dimming (which sony clearly didnt care about when i brought that up combined with the likelyhood that it's permanent, it's already got a problem they arent willing to really fix yet, wouldnt want to add another one).

also, the USB port is not on the side it's on the back. The mount leaves all my regular ports open but it blocks the area where the serial number and build date is amongst other things like the USB panel and HDMI ports.
post #5211 of 7819
Lippy, the sidebars are black on my KDL-52XBR3. It's a great set by the way.
post #5212 of 7819
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Originally Posted by nosmoke View Post

Can anyone kindly tell me the difference between the XBR2 and XBR3. I have looked at the specs and they appear the same with the exception of bezel etc.

Thanks for any info........

The XBR3 bezel has a glossy "piano black" finish compared to the XBR2. That's the only difference. Incidentally, it looks stunning!
post #5213 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Lippy View Post

Hi guys..

I have a question about 4:3 content and the KDL-52XBR3 (or even the KDL-52XBR2 ):

What color are the side bars on an unstretched 4:3 picture? Are they black?

I ask, because I am contemplating the purchase of a gorgeous Pioneer Elite plasma 1140, but the D&^#ned thing puts LIGHT grey bars on the sides of 4:3 content and there is no way to change their color to black. This may be a deal-breaker for me..

Any help is appreciated!

They are black on the XBR's.

I think the reason for using the light gray on some plasma TVs is to help reduce the risk of burn-in if you watch a lot of 4x3 content unstretched.
post #5214 of 7819
I just connected the 46xbr2 to the oppo 981 yesterday.

It's the REAL DEAL.
post #5215 of 7819
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Originally Posted by M Macht View Post

Lippy, the sidebars are black on my KDL-52XBR3. It's a great set by the way.

As sharp a picture as the 46XBR2??
post #5216 of 7819
Thanks for the info about those bars.

I spent SO MUCH time in the Magnolia shop scoping out that Pioneer set, and now those bars are going to make me rethink the entire process!

Who can relate?

:>


So lemme ask an LCD question:
What's the viewing angle like on your new Xbr2s & 3s? Last I checked into LCD (at least 18 months ago) the "sweet spot" was still a sorta narrow "beam".. and I could just picture myself doing THIS all night long (rises up to feet, and squats, then raises, then squats, then raises.. ) in an attempt to convince myself that I am. indeed looking at the best possible angle on the screen. Anybody have any "issues" with theri viewing angle?

Thanks again,
Lip
post #5217 of 7819
Been browsing for quite some time and am curious before I pull the trigger if anyone will be able to confirm that the following setup will give me what I'm looking for.....

Mac Mini --> DVI/HDMI Cable --> Sony STR DA3200ES -->HDMI Out to 52" XBR 2.

I'm hoping that I will be able to get a 1080p resolution out of the box (i.e. no Switchresx) with this setup, being passed through the receiver.

I know the VGA input is recommended for the mac mini, but I want to be able to run my XBOX 360 HD-DVD through that so I can upconvert my DVD's.

What's the consensus on VGA vs DVI/HDMI on the Mac Mini?

Getting a New condo and upgrading the entire AV system from 1st Gen HDTV and want to make sure everything will work as desired before I drop an insane amount of money.

Thanks for any thoughts/help!
post #5218 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Lippy View Post

I ask, because I am contemplating the purchase of a gorgeous Pioneer Elite plasma 1140, but the D&^#ned thing puts LIGHT grey bars on the sides of 4:3 content and there is no way to change their color to black. This may be a deal-breaker for me..

Yup, Plasmas have to put those grey bars to help prevent burn-in. It doesn't matter with LCD.

I didn't want to have to worry about burn in thus I chose LCD for that reason. Since I also have a computer connected to it for Internet access, I didn't have to worry about the Windows Start button permanently burned into my set.
post #5219 of 7819
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Originally Posted by Lippy View Post

T... Anybody have any "issues" with theri viewing angle?

Thanks again,
Lip


I had a panasonic plasma while waiting for my 46 xbr 3 and looked a lot at viewing angle. I think the VA on the XBR3 is 90% as good as my plasma was. I notice a difference if I watch at a 60 degree angle off axis from the other room. i do not think anyone else would notice if they had not seen both sets in the same room and I never watch TV from that location but there is a SLIGHT difference--and again thats because I was anal about looking for it.

I am very happy with my set.
post #5220 of 7819
[i]Originally Posted by Nascar Dog
It is 1080p 60Hz.

See attached snapsot from the user's manual.
Not very expensive. Less than $300.00 (Canadian)

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html

Wow That is great let us know if you really get a picture close to blu-ray or HD-DVD. Im anxious to find out!
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