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post #61 of 7819
6/3/06 at 2:00pm
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Here's a question for those like me who are in the market for a 32-inch and are weighing the XBR2 against the XBR1.

The XBR1 has the old Wega Engine with DRC version 1. The XBR2 has the New Bravia Engine but no DRC at all, apparently. We still watch quite a bit of SD and my understanding is the DRC will help with that.

Plus, IMO the looks of the XBR1 are nicer with the black cloth-covered speaker vs. the silver plastic on the XBR2, which is styled like the larger V2500s.

Am I better off with the XBR1?

(Options 3 and 4 would be the Sharp LC-32D50U coming out this month, or waiting to see what Sharp's fall lineup looks like. But given how the 32-inchers are being rapidly relegated to commodity status I'm not optimistic.)


If you are willing to wait for the XBR2s to come out , a couple of things could happen. One, you might like the PQ on the XBR2 better and get that one, or you'll be able to get a pretty killer deal on the XBR1, because by that time they will be discontinued. It's really hard to say until they come out. But if you can't wait, the XBR1 is still an awesome set, I don't think you'd be disappointed either way.
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post #62 of 7819
6/3/06 at 2:58pm
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Would anyone venture to guess is the XBR3 or XBR2 40 inch have cablecard slots? I have looked everywhere and it is not mentioned. Thank you in advance

not everything is listed, i'm pretty sure they will have a cable card slot.
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believe the Sammy reports 8mms. Do we know anything about the response time on the Sony?

this is still unknown, 8ms or better will probably be it

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Note that I was talking about the 32-inch XBR2, which does not.

i forgot about the 32" labeled xbr2, my guess this is a misprint because the tv looks nothing like the xbr2 line and should be listed kdl-32v2500 since a 32" was released in japan and europe already.

the new 32" will be better with the bravia engine and liver color creation, wait for more info or a manual to see if this tv has DRC
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post #63 of 7819
6/3/06 at 3:09pm
I hate how companys dont care about there 32" tv's .
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post #64 of 7819
6/3/06 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by supraman x View Post

I hate how companys dont care about there 32" tv's .

they care but putting 3 HDMI and 1080p in one would be a waste of time and money.
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post #65 of 7819
6/3/06 at 4:32pm
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i forgot about the 32" labeled xbr2, my guess this is a misprint because the tv looks nothing like the xbr2 line and should be listed kdl-32v2500 since a 32" was released in japan and europe already.

the new 32" will be better with the bravia engine and liver color creation, wait for more info or a manual to see if this tv has DRC

It should be labeled V2500, I agree, but my guess it's not a misprint, just another marketing ploy. They figure, hey, it's our best 32-inch, so let's call it an XBR.

Also I would be surprised if they still had cablecards, given how many manufacturers have been cutting them out this year.

You are an optimist, MUGEN, I'll give you credit for that.
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post #66 of 7819
6/3/06 at 7:06pm
[quote=Also I would be surprised if they still had cablecards, given how many manufacturers have been cutting them out this year.
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I know that sharp pulled their cable cards, but did anyone else? I know Panasonic still has them in their 600U series. How many "manufacturers" really did pull them out besides sharp?
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post #67 of 7819
6/3/06 at 7:40pm
I saw all the new 1080p Sony sets (Lcd and sxrd) at the Sheraton grand near Lax yesterday(Hi fi show). I don't know if this has been mentioned on this forum. The show runs until tomorrow.Also 1080p blue ray players fed all the sets.

http://www.he2006.com/
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post #68 of 7819
6/3/06 at 7:50pm
Looks like if you're interested in Blu-Ray playback, you wait til they have 1080p24, HDMI 1.3.

Maybe next year.
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post #69 of 7819
6/3/06 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by black88mx6 View Post

I know that sharp pulled their cable cards, but did anyone else? I know Panasonic still has them in their 600U series. How many "manufacturers" really did pull them out besides sharp?

I didn't say manufacturers are dropping them from all their sets, but they have been dropping them from most of them.

Sharp dropped them from all sets 45 inches and under
Panasonic dropped them from its main LX60 line (the LX50s had them)
This year's Samsungs have them only in the 96-series as far as I can tell.

All I'm saying is that until we get detailed specs, it's a better bet to assume they won't than to assume they will.
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post #70 of 7819
6/4/06 at 2:13am
i was set on the 4696 samsung but i'm gonna have to give the xbr3 a look...i do like the design of it much classier w/the floating glass than the previous iterations...even though i've been boycotting sony lately because i think they're greedy...they might win me back w/the xbr3 (former long-time sony loyalist)...we'll see although the samsung looks hot as well and will be cheaper fer sure...may the best set win!
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post #71 of 7819
6/4/06 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Looks like if you're interested in Blu-Ray playback, you wait til they have 1080p24, HDMI 1.3.

Maybe next year.

I am pretty much sure Samsung and Pionner's Blu-ray players(2006 model) output 1080p60 through HDMI although the movie records in 1080p24(24 frames because that's theater's standard for movie). And most 2006 1080p tv accept up to 1080p60 signal through HDMI, doesn't necessary have to be HDMI 1.3 by the way, if you have read the following FAQ from HDMI's official web site.

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Does HDMI support 1080p/60Hz?
Yes, every version of the HDMI standard supports 1080p/60Hz. However, as discussed below, this is not a requirement, and manufacturers may choose to only implement 1080i, for example. For some types of devices (e.g. DVD players), this has not historically resulted in a reduction in quality as there has been relatively little true 1080p/60Hz content available, and 1080i can deliver all of the visual information available from the source.

http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp

For HD-DVD, then yes, you have to wait for next year, currently HD-DVD players Toshiba HD-A1($500) and Toshiba HD-XA1($800) only support up to 1080i24. It's not totally bad actually, most 1080p tv released on 2005 only accept up to 1080i, so 1080i is still a great deal for the early adopters.

So 2006 is a good year for HD movie whether you chose Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Let's have a great year.
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post #72 of 7819
6/4/06 at 6:24am
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i forgot about the 32" labeled xbr2, my guess this is a misprint because the tv looks nothing like the xbr2 line and should be listed kdl-32v2500 since a 32" was released in japan and europe already.

the new 32" will be better with the bravia engine and liver color creation, wait for more info or a manual to see if this tv has DRC

Like the Japanese and Euro versions, the new American 32" BRAVIA doesn't have DRC.

My understanding of it is this. The 32" and smaller BRAVIAs now use BRAVIA ENGINE which is a 1-chip video processor. I'd be willing to bet that BRAVIA ENGINE includes most of the early DRC-like functions that were present with TVs featuring the WEGA ENGINE and DRC combination.

But, the new version of DRC, which can also enhance 720p video (unlike the version featured on last years' XBRs) is more necessary on the 1920x1080p resolution panels to recover some of the slight blurring lost by 720p images being upscaled to the higher-res panel.

That's my take on it - trust me, the KDL-32V2000 looks freakin' excellent, DRC or no DRC. My old 26" LCD WEGA model that this replaced had DRC and the new KDL-32V2000 looks better, so don't worry.

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kdl-32v2500 since a 32" was released in japan and europe already.

As you know, the Japanese/European ones were KDL-32V2000 - "V2000" indicating 1366x768 resolution, I think, whereas Sony USA have used "V2500" to indicate a 1080p panel. Personally, I doubt it's a misprint.
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post #73 of 7819
6/4/06 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by lyris View Post

Like the Japanese and Euro versions, the new American 32" BRAVIA doesn't have DRC.

My understanding of it is this. The 32" and smaller BRAVIAs now use BRAVIA ENGINE which is a 1-chip video processor. I'd be willing to bet that BRAVIA ENGINE includes most of the early DRC-like functions that were present with TVs featuring the WEGA ENGINE and DRC combination.

But, the new version of DRC, which can also enhance 720p video (unlike the version featured on last years' XBRs) is more necessary on the 1920x1080p resolution panels to recover some of the slight blurring lost by 720p images being upscaled to the higher-res panel.

That's my take on it - trust me, the KDL-32V2000 looks freakin' excellent, DRC or no DRC. My old 26" LCD WEGA model that this replaced had DRC and the new KDL-32V2000 looks better, so don't worry.


As you know, the Japanese/European ones were KDL-32V2000 - "V2000" indicating 1366x768 resolution, I think, whereas Sony USA have used "V2500" to indicate a 1080p panel. Personally, I doubt it's a misprint.

Darn, just when I thought I was set to buy the Sharp 37d90u I might have to wait a few more months. I've been using my Panny 20" CRT from college for the past 1.5 yrs and I really want to get an HD set!!!! Eh, might have to buy the sharp anyways since I want to watch the upcoming world cup in HD .
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post #74 of 7819
6/4/06 at 9:31am
I was all set to gear up to buy the Sharp BUT consider the Sharp is $3k MSRP and the Sony 40" XBR2 may be $4k MSRP!!! That's a hard pill to swallow BUT maybe the V series will be $3k MSRP BUT couldn't Sony compromise and make the 40" $3500 MSRP? Time will tell if prices come down.

Image a 40" XBR2 at $4k, Sony PS3 $600, a couple of games $120,, a couple of movies $50-70. That's over $5k MSRP with taxes

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Darn, just when I thought I was set to buy the Sharp 37d90u I might have to wait a few more months. I've been using my Panny 20" CRT from college for the past 1.5 yrs and I really want to get an HD set!!!! Eh, might have to buy the sharp anyways since I want to watch the upcoming world cup in HD .
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post #75 of 7819
6/4/06 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by mantamet View Post

I saw all the new 1080p Sony sets (Lcd and sxrd) at the Sheraton grand near Lax yesterday(Hi fi show). I don't know if this has been mentioned on this forum. The show runs until tomorrow.Also 1080p blue ray players fed all the sets.

http://www.he2006.com/

i found this from that show, weird that watch impress shows nothing about this show hmm maybe monday they will have something
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/so...ent-2006.shtml
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post #76 of 7819
6/4/06 at 9:40am
Doesn't the name of this thread "OFFICIAL SONY 40",46" XBR2, XBR3 LCD's" imply that we should discuss 40" and 46" XBR sets?

The smaller sets do not have the same specs.
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post #77 of 7819
6/4/06 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by zglass2 View Post

Doesn't the name of this thread "OFFICIAL SONY 40",46" XBR2, XBR3 LCD's" imply that we should discuss 40" and 46" XBR sets?

The smaller sets do not have the same specs.

this thread is only for the 4 tv's listed in the first post, anything else should be discussed in other threads.
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post #78 of 7819
6/4/06 at 10:43am
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I was all set to gear up to buy the Sharp BUT consider the Sharp is $3k MSRP and the Sony 40" XBR2 may be $4k MSRP!!! That's a hard pill to swallow BUT maybe the V series will be $3k MSRP BUT couldn't Sony compromise and make the 40" $3500 MSRP? Time will tell if prices come down.

Image a 40" XBR2 at $4k, Sony PS3 $600, a couple of games $120,, a couple of movies $50-70. That's over $5k MSRP with taxes

Yeah, I hope the street price is lower, but I'll have to wait and see how the Sharp and Sony stack up in terms of picture quality. As lame as it sounds, the Sony is much more aesthetically pleasing and that is one reason I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium for it.
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post #79 of 7819
6/4/06 at 1:01pm
I just read about the new a/v receiver sony has coming out just before the new xbr2 and xbr3 tvs come out, and it seems to be the perfect thing if you want surround sound with that shiny new blue ray player or ps3. Below is the link telling all about it.

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/so...ent-2006.shtml
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post #80 of 7819
6/4/06 at 2:21pm
will this receiver upconvert sd so i can watch judge judy in near hd quality???
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post #81 of 7819
6/4/06 at 2:23pm
Well according to link at bigpicturebigsound they will have Cablecard slots (great!!!!)
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post #82 of 7819
6/4/06 at 3:56pm
I am extremely disappointed with the design of the XBR2/3. Especially that big piece of glass on the front of the set. Just curious - does that piece of glass serve any technical/functional purpose? Robyn
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post #83 of 7819
6/4/06 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by robyn55 View Post

I am extremely disappointed with the design of the XBR2/3. Especially that big piece of glass on the front of the set. Just curious - does that piece of glass serve any technical/functional purpose? Robyn

It's serves as much technical/functional purpose as any other aesthetic element on any other plasma/lcd.
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post #84 of 7819
6/4/06 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Max2000 View Post

For HD-DVD, then yes, you have to wait for next year, currently HD-DVD players Toshiba HD-A1($500) and Toshiba HD-XA1($800) only support up to 1080i24. It's not totally bad actually, most 1080p tv released on 2005 only accept up to 1080i, so 1080i is still a great deal for the early adopters.

The HD-A1 and HD-XA1 support 1080i60, not 1080i24. There's no such thing as 1080i24.

It's a common misconception that there is some loss of quality transmitting 1080p24 material as 1080i. The truth is that the original 1080p24 signal can be displayed PERFECTLY when transmitted as 1080i.

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post #85 of 7819
6/4/06 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by CaseCom View Post

Note that I was talking about the 32-inch XBR2, which does not.

That 32 incher is a V series I think.

But here's my question:

Why are they different?



versus



Wow, they really do look different (with the bottom part being the most obvious difference)
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post #86 of 7819
6/4/06 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by KevinJ View Post

I was all set to gear up to buy the Sharp BUT consider the Sharp is $3k MSRP and the Sony 40" XBR2 may be $4k MSRP!!! That's a hard pill to swallow BUT maybe the V series will be $3k MSRP BUT couldn't Sony compromise and make the 40" $3500 MSRP? Time will tell if prices come down.

Image a 40" XBR2 at $4k, Sony PS3 $600, a couple of games $120,, a couple of movies $50-70. That's over $5k MSRP with taxes

Thing is the Sharp MSRP at 3k is the d40U which is not 1080p,Sony XBR2 is.So is a big jump for 2 different TV's.
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post #87 of 7819
6/4/06 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by tangent1138 View Post

i hate the floating glass design. i prefer the other design they had on the xbr1.


I love the look of the floating glass design.....
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post #88 of 7819
6/4/06 at 8:43pm
To mister IGroove It states that the new receiver can and will upconvert sd to 1080 bliss. And the site given above does not state that the xbr line will have cable card slots. It's says it about the SXRD
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post #89 of 7819
6/4/06 at 10:40pm
led's back-lighing tv's won't be coming out until around 2009




At CES, LG had working lcd sets with led back lighting. Time frame is 2007. Contrast was stated at 25000:1 dynamic.
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post #90 of 7819
6/4/06 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by TMNT1000 View Post

To mister IGroove It states that the new receiver can and will upconvert sd to 1080 bliss. And the site given above does not state that the xbr line will have cable card slots. It's says it about the SXRD

As the author of the article, I concur with TMNT1000 - the article states cable card on the SXRD RPTVs. Sony did not mention CableCard on the LCD TVs, and I did not ask, so I'm betting they will not have it.

Keep in mind, Samsung is making the Bravia LCD sets now (well technically, it's a "50/50 joint venture" between Sony and Samsung), while Sony is making the SXRD RPTVs themselves, so it's not that odd that the feature set will not be identical.

Also, Sony is officially out of the plasma business, except for the pro line. This was per the Sony reps I spoke with at the show.

I gotta say, I don't care for LCD TVs much. At least I didn't. But the new Bravias looked excellent driven by the BDP-S1, even close-up.

-CB
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