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post #15181 of 19349
3/6/12 at 9:26am
First time Dyn owner looking for some opinions on amps, specifically the Naim XS and Naim Super Nait.

I purchased a trade in pair of C1 MKI's last week and should be taking delivery shortly, I'm excited to try these speakers out after having read so much about them. The dealer that I purchased them from has recommended both Octave and Naim as the best pairing for the C1's. So I'm wondering if I'll see much if any of a performance increase by going with the Super Nait over the XS with the Flatcap?

I've never used any of these brands before so any input would be greatly appreciated.
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post #15182 of 19349
3/6/12 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by tvih View Post

This one, easily. As it has been said... good speakers first, other stuff is secondary

Any you think the Onkyo can drive them without blowing to pieces?
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post #15183 of 19349
3/6/12 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Any you think the Onkyo can drive them without blowing to pieces?

Definitely, get the focus 140s and the onkyo and then upgrade from there. I have an NAD T775 and an old onkyo 801 the onkyo is very close to the NAD. The NAD is only slightly better with bass depth and impact and a few other subtle mid/high range sounds; none of which was Immediately realized. I did however try a pioneer Elite between the NAD and onkyo and I was discusted by the thin sound.
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post #15184 of 19349
3/6/12 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Any you think the Onkyo can drive them without blowing to pieces?

Without any problems. After all, if the cheapest models TX-NR308 and 309 models can drive my C1s and Audience 42s, both 4 ohm, without any noticeable strain, driving a single pair of Focus 140s with a much sturdier unit will not be any sort of problem whatsoever.
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post #15185 of 19349
3/6/12 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

First time Dyn owner looking for some opinions on amps, specifically the Naim XS and Naim Super Nait.

I purchased a trade in pair of C1 MKI's last week and should be taking delivery shortly, I'm excited to try these speakers out after having read so much about them. The dealer that I purchased them from has recommended both Octave and Naim as the best pairing for the C1's. So I'm wondering if I'll see much if any of a performance increase by going with the Super Nait over the XS with the Flatcap?

I've never used any of these brands before so any input would be greatly appreciated.

Weird 23, ironically enough I just upgraded yesterday from Focus140s to C1 mkI's and I have a Nait XS that is driving them right now as a matter of fact. I have the house to myself so I am pushing them pretty hard (nothing crazy) but my iPhone sound meter indicates 80-85dbs from my listening position. The amp has not ran out of steam regardless of the music that I have thrown at it so far. Would I recommend it "yes". Is going with the Octave a better solution, I have not heard any Octave equipment so I can't comment on that. But I have also considered Octave as a possible next integrated amp. I love the looks of the units and admire all of the praise from Octave owners. Unfortunately my Dyn dealer doesn't carry Octave so right now it's not an option for me.

I have heard the Supernait on many different occasions and it's also a very capable unit that I'm sure will do the C1s justice. My Naim dealer (who isn't my Dyn dealer), recently offered me his demo Supernait at as attractive price but the only problem that I have with it is I don't need all of the functions with it and can't see myself using them in the foreseeable future. For instance it has a built in dac thats nice indeed but I thinks it kinda dated compared to whats available now IMO.

To sum things up is the XS capable with the C1s, "yes." Is going with an Octave a better solution, "I haven't a clue but I suspect that it may be." And the Supernait, " I'm sure the additional power that it provides (compared to the XS) would be well received by the C1s.

I think that you have chosen very good units obviously. Please report back your results once you have made a decision. Hopefully my comments helped.
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post #15186 of 19349
3/6/12 at 11:39am
Get the best sounding speakers (for you) that you can afford.
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post #15187 of 19349
3/6/12 at 11:41am
Let me throw this one out there...

Focus 140 alone

vs.

Excite X12 + Dynadio Sub 250
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post #15188 of 19349
3/6/12 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by nick05 View Post

Weird 23, ironically enough I just upgraded yesterday from Focus140s to C1 mkI's and I have a Nait XS that is driving them right now as a matter of fact. I have the house to myself so I am pushing them pretty hard (nothing crazy) but my iPhone sound meter indicates 80-85dbs from my listening position. The amp has not ran out of steam regardless of the music that I have thrown at it so far. Would I recommend it "yes". Is going with the Octave a better solution, I have not heard any Octave equipment so I can't comment on that. But I have also considered Octave as a possible next integrated amp. I love the looks of the units and admire all of the praise from Octave owners. Unfortunately my Dyn dealer doesn't carry Octave so right now it's not an option for me.

I have heard the Supernait on many different occasions and it's also a very capable unit that I'm sure will do the C1s justice. My Naim dealer (who isn't my Dyn dealer), recently offered me his demo Supernait at as attractive price but the only problem that I have with it is I don't need all of the functions with it and can't see myself using them in the foreseeable future. For instance it has a built in dac thats nice indeed but I thinks it kinda dated compared to whats available now IMO.

To sum things up is the XS capable with the C1s, "yes." Is going with an Octave a better solution, "I haven't a clue but I suspect that it may be." And the Supernait, " I'm sure the additional power that it provides (compared to the XS) would be well received by the C1s.

I think that you have chosen very good units obviously. Please report back your results once you have made a decision. Hopefully my comments helped.

Thanks for the input, it's appreciated.

I don't think I really need the features of anything beyond the XS and don't really have any desire to pay for unused features either. I ordered an Arcam r-DAC along with the Stand 4's so I think I'm good in that area. I think I'll just go for the XS with the Flatcap.

Looking at your pics you posted made me excited to get my speakers as they are exactly the same as yours, glad to hear your enjoying them.
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post #15189 of 19349
3/6/12 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

First time Dyn owner looking for some opinions on amps, specifically the Naim XS and Naim Super Nait.

I purchased a trade in pair of C1 MKI's last week and should be taking delivery shortly, I'm excited to try these speakers out after having read so much about them. The dealer that I purchased them from has recommended both Octave and Naim as the best pairing for the C1's. So I'm wondering if I'll see much if any of a performance increase by going with the Super Nait over the XS with the Flatcap?

I've never used any of these brands before so any input would be greatly appreciated.

In my opinion the Supernait is overkill. The XS w/flatcap is real nice. I came real close to getting a supernait (thinking the more power the better) but then I tried the Octave. I prefer the Octave over the naim and it is also more money. With the Octave being a tube integrated I decided I wanted to roll tubes. That way I can change the sound characteristics without having to buy new gear. As far as power I do own the V70SE but just recently tried the v40 and there was no lack of power. When I upgraded my C1 MKI to the Signatures I had a Naim XS for a few days (helping out my local dealer since I bought his Signatures - had a customer fly in from out of town) and that's why I had a Naim XS w/flatcap in my home. The Naim XS is an excellent SS Integrated.

That being said if money is no object the Octave is a better sounding integrated But that is my opinion.
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post #15190 of 19349
3/6/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Let me throw this one out there...

Focus 140 alone

vs.

Excite X12 + Dynadio Sub 250

Focus 140 alone.

Obviously, we have to spread our money around as best as we can, but I would take superior speakers over lesser speakers and a....entry level sub, any day.
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post #15191 of 19349
3/6/12 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Let me throw this one out there...

Focus 140 alone

vs.

Excite X12 + Dynadio Sub 250

As I said to you before, I would have bought the 140s but my budget was $1500, the 140s were more then I could spend, so I got the X16s, whose performance was approaching the 140s. If I were you and could get the 140s for a good price, go for it.
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post #15192 of 19349
3/6/12 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Let me throw this one out there...

Focus 140 alone

vs.

Excite X12 + Dynadio Sub 250

GTA...no offense; but I'm going to suggest we stop encouraging this. How many permutations are you going to consider?

I'm all for helping noobies, but you seem to want to counter every bit of advice...with yet another option. Enough already. It all means nothing in a vacuum; get something...and go from there.

CD
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post #15193 of 19349
3/6/12 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post


GTA...no offense; but I'm going to suggest we stop encouraging this. How many permutations are you going to consider?

I'll all for helping noobies, but you seem to want to counter every bit of advice...with yet another option. Enough already. It all means nothing in a vacuum; get something...and go from there.

CD

I was waiting for someone to step in and end this madness. CD, is absolutely right at this point you just have to get off the sidelines and enter the game...
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post #15194 of 19349
3/6/12 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

GTA...no offense; but I'm going to suggest we stop encouraging this. How many permutations are you going to consider?

I'm all for helping noobies, but you seem to want to counter every bit of advice...with yet another option. Enough already. It all means nothing in a vacuum; get something...and go from there.

CD

Well said. We've all given him our thoughts and now it's up to him to do what he needs to do.

5 pages dedicated to one possible purchase is too much already.
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post #15195 of 19349
3/6/12 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

GTA...no offense; but I'm going to suggest we stop encouraging this. How many permutations are you going to consider?

I'm all for helping noobies, but you seem to want to counter every bit of advice...with yet another option. Enough already. It all means nothing in a vacuum; get something...and go from there.

CD

Thanks CD - I was thinking the same thing

GTA Get the Focus and just pick an amp Call it a day
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post #15196 of 19349
3/6/12 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

In my opinion the Supernait is overkill. The XS w/flatcap is real nice. I came real close to getting a supernait (thinking the more power the better) but then I tried the Octave. I prefer the Octave over the naim and it is also more money. With the Octave being a tube integrated I decided I wanted to roll tubes. That way I can change the sound characteristics without having to buy new gear. As far as power I do own the V70SE but just recently tried the v40 and there was no lack of power. When I upgraded my C1 MKI to the Signatures I had a Naim XS for a few days (helping out my local dealer since I bought his Signatures - had a customer fly in from out of town) and that's why I had a Naim XS w/flatcap in my home. The Naim XS is an excellent SS Integrated.

That being said if money is no object the Octave is a better sounding integrated But that is my opinion.

Thanks for the insight, the dealer I bought them from ( Next Level Audio ) recommended either the XS with the Flatcap or the V40SE with the BB. Although I trust his opinion I've never owned a tube amp and am hesitant to spend that much on my first one. I think I'll try out the Naim and maybe at a later date upgrade to the Octave if the urge strikes.
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post #15197 of 19349
3/6/12 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Thanks CD - I was thinking the same thing

GTA Get the Focus and just pick an amp Call it a day

GTA...we are ALL in agreement; so there's no need to ask about this or that.

Here is what we ALL think: get Focus 140s, and whatever AVR speaks to your heart.

Don't feel slighted; feel flattered. This group hardly ever universally agrees on anything.

Good luck,
CD
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post #15198 of 19349
3/6/12 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

Thanks for the insight, the dealer I bought them from ( Next Level Audio ) recommended either the XS with the Flatcap or the V40SE with the BB. Although I trust his opinion I've never owned a tube amp and am hesitant to spend that much on my first one. I think I'll try out the Naim and maybe at a later date upgrade to the Octave if the urge strikes.

That's Tyler - For me he is local (7 1/2mi). The BB really only lowers the noise floor with C1's and I also have the BB. Tyler loaned me his V40 and Naim XS. He is the best. In fact right now I have his Nordost Norse Series2 demo case. All I can say if you like Nordost these are very very different. Not like moving from the Flatline to Norse series. It's even more - but different.

Forgot to mention at it's price point the Naim XS w/flatcap is excellent.
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post #15199 of 19349
3/6/12 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

GTA...we are ALL in agreement; so there's no need to ask about this or that.

Here is what we ALL think: get Focus 140s, and whatever AVR speaks to your heart.

Don't feel slighted; feel flattered. This group hardly ever universally agrees on anything.

Good luck,
CD

Is the group in agreement re: the Focus 220Mk2 a better choice than X32 as well?

Thank you
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post #15200 of 19349
3/6/12 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by EnCar View Post

Is the group in agreement re: the Focus 220Mk2 a better choice than X32 as well?

Thank you

I will go on record and universally say YES for the whole group.
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post #15201 of 19349
3/6/12 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I will go on record and universally say YES for the whole group.

I am very close to getting them with the Nait XS, then close my ears for 240hrs before i really start to listen. If they are like the X32s but with a bit more impact and more bottom end, it should be really really nice.
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post #15202 of 19349
3/6/12 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post


GTA...we are ALL in agreement; so there's no need to ask about this or that.

Here is what we ALL think: get Focus 140s, and whatever AVR speaks to your heart.

Don't feel slighted; feel flattered. This group hardly ever universally agrees on anything.

Good luck,
CD

Actually the hobby is trying different gear. Asking questions can help in the beginning but are of much greater significance only after you have set a listening benchmark from your own experience as well as isolated key characteristics to focus on for improvement. If any gear did everything better for everybody there would only be that gear and nothing else....... and we would have nothing to talk about.
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post #15203 of 19349
3/6/12 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Let me throw this one out there...

Focus 140 alone

vs.

Excite X12 + Dynadio Sub 250

Ill kick you this little anechdote,

I went and listened to the X16s 4 times, the last time I was there was at an open house, so my dealer demo'd them for me again, he then said in front of everyone, "At some point you have to stop dancing with the girl and ask to take her home." I ended up putting a deposit on my X16s at that point. I knew what I wanted, Id heard it, I was hesitant to becuase I had never spent that much on speakers before, but in the end, Im so glad I did.

I think this is what we are all kinda telling you as well.

Obviously the Focus line is a better product then the Excites in the hierarchy of Dynaudio speakers. Any Dynaudio speaker you buy is a great speaker, so you wont be making a wrong choice.
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3/6/12 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by EnCar View Post

I am very close to getting them with the Nait XS, then close my ears for 240hrs before i really start to listen. If they are like the X32s but with a bit more impact and more bottom end, it should be really really nice.

The Excites performance approached the older Focus lines performance(except for the 360). But the older Focus gave you more bass performance, better at resolving details and a better crossover for better transients from tweeter to woofer. The XS will provide plenty of dynamics with the 220 MKIIs, and still offer you that sweet smooth top end and excellent mid-range.
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post #15205 of 19349
3/6/12 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

The Excites performance approached the older Focus lines performance(except for the 360). But the older Focus gave you more bass performance, better at resolving details and a better crossover for better transients from tweeter to woofer. The XS will provide plenty of dynamics with the 220 MKIIs, and still offer you that sweet smooth top end and excellent mid-range.

So reading this, is this a system you would drop $5k on? (assuming this was your budget dedicated to 2.0 sound)
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post #15206 of 19349
3/6/12 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by Goodeyeclosed72 View Post

Actually the hobby is trying different gear. Asking questions can help in the beginning but are of much greater significance only after you have set a listening benchmark from your own experience as well as isolated key characteristics to focus on for improvement. If any gear did everything better for everybody there would only be that gear and nothing else....... and we would have nothing to talk about.

Well, I think that's kind of everyone's point. One...with all due respect to budget, because we all started somewhere; asking ad nausea about the differences between this $300 AVR and that $400 AVR is pointless. We all, knowing very well what we were doing, put GTA in that $300-400 AVR...because it meant getting into Focus 140s. So it's like just pick one; there's not likely that much difference between this and that.

Two...and more to your point goodeye...none of it means a damn thing, unless you have a point of reference anyway. You gotta start somewhere GTA; walk before you run. In this case walking means a very deliberate purchase of great speakers, in the Focus 140s...and whatever $300-400 AVR that catches your fancy.

And report back,

CD
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post #15207 of 19349
3/6/12 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by EnCar View Post

So reading this, is this a system you would drop $5k on? (assuming this was your budget dedicated to 2.0 sound)

$5k?

Contour S1.4 $3500
Naim Nait 5i $1650


I have heard the Focus 220 MKI and Naim XS, the MKI's were a little boomy in the bass, which is why they were revised to the MKII, and the room was a bit small, but they had bass like there was 2 subs. Is it worth $5k? Most certianly. Dont expect that much bass, but there should be plenty for you to be happy with. The Excites aren't as hard hitting, but they also have a voice coil of half the diameter driving the woofers.

I think the overall performance of the Contours, which can still perform with stellar amounts of bass, would be better. However if you want to play a lot of rock music, the 220 MKIIs will have a chunkier sound and be better suited to rock music, IMO.
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post #15208 of 19349
3/6/12 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

$5k?

Contour S1.4 $3500
Naim Nait 5i $1650


I have heard the Focus 220 MKI and Naim XS, the MKI's were a little boomy in the bass, which is why they were revised to the MKII, and the room was a bit small, but they had bass like there was 2 subs. Is it worth $5k? Most certianly.

I think the overall performance of the Contours, which can still perform with stellar amounts of bass, would be better. However if you want to play a lot of rock music, the 220 MKIIs will have a chunkier sound and be better suited to rock music, IMO.

what music do you listen to?
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post #15209 of 19349
3/7/12 at 5:26am
Any comments on this speaker wire?

Or is the price just too good to be true?
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post #15210 of 19349
3/7/12 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Any comments on this speaker wire?

Or is the price just too good to be true?

at this point I wouldn't be too concerned with cables. Get something that's at least 16 gauge, put your money into speakers and amplification
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