Dynaudio Owner's Thread - Page 536

That's the best you could come up with? Sad...(pats jamheads' head )

You guys should all take some time to step back and chill out. It would be a real shame if the mods closed this thread for fighting.

I second this motion!

You are correct Mr. Tripper.

I'm really just having some fun.....

This is, after all, a hobby and one that's shared by all of us.

Man, I've been through three boxes of popcorn following this thread recently!

Agreed! Peace then.

Right, another mammoth post, hopefully the last for a while...


Yeah but that good deal is in my books kinda negated if I throw another few grand at it to gain only a small benefit, don't you think? Puccini + C1 > Puccini + S1.4 and so forth. If the amplifiers truly did suck so badly, it really wouldn't make a difference what speaker I put in front of them.


It's more about justifying my lack of additional purchases, which is a silly thing to have to do, really.


I know. This is a quite small city (50k people) even by Finnish standards. Houses near the bigger cities - not that any city is really big here - are much more expensive. But the point was that C1 owners more likely being owners of separate houses just seemed weird, considering that C1 can be had for $4k used or so (maybe a bit more, I haven't really looked at used ones in the US), but houses are... well, by your example, pretty much at least a hundred times that! But even saying it'd be only $100k, that's still a lot of C1 pairs, even new ones. Doesn't really matter though, there's no simple way of getting enough actual data on what kind of living spaces they're being used in anyway, and to be honest it indeed doesn't even matter in the end.


I have "an idea" what it is capable of. How hard is that to get? If I hadn't known it to begin with, I wouldn't have bought them the way I did - that is, online and without an audition of the specific pair!

The C1 just isn't a "good value" at least to me (value is, after all, subjective). It's an excellent speaker, zero doubt about that. It may indeed be a better value than most speakers in its price class - but that does not inherently make it a good value in the bigger picture. It's like saying a Maybach is "good value" because it's a better car than say, a Toyota. Yes, yes, an inaccurate exaggeration and whatnot, but you should get the point.

The comparisons to my entry- and mid-level speakers were only that I could technically already live with those lesser speakers if I had to. I never said the C1s weren't without a doubt far better speakers. They are. There's no lack of being "moved", or anything else. But as I've said many times already, it's a matter of an actual "need" or being able to settle for sound quality versus luxury. The lesser speakers already fulfill the need, while C1s go beyond that to also fulfill the luxury. If money was no object, it wouldn't matter, of course. And as it is, I'll try to keep them regardless, because contrary to how it seems, I do like that luxury - even with the associated financial issues. If I didn't, I'd indeed have sold - or at least tried to sell - the C1s already.

The thing is people keep dragging my electronics into it, when they have nothing to do with the core issue. That's why I "defend" them so fervently. Not because of any "insecurities".


I know it's an expression, but your tone of comments pretty much lays it out that you consider the tripath, for example, in essence "garbage" not worthy of driving C1s. Which they currently and normally don't anyway, but last year they did for several months while the Puccini was suffering from its volume pot malfunction more than usual (for the last couple of weeks it hasn't at all). And the tripath did an admirable job of it, no matter what anyone else says.


Well, is it reasonable to have people skip very good options because of an arbitrary wattage recommendation? I mean, even leaving my own gear completely out of it, consider the likes of Naim Nait XS and Octave V70SE, both which a LOT of people in this very thread have loved with their C1s and such. Your recommandation would completely dismiss these user experiences, and many others, apparently just because of low wattage. In my opinion that is a bit silly. I honestly didn't mean to be an ass when I said that.

And before you say I'm doing the same by dismissing user experiences regarding the benefit of better electronics - I'm not! I'm certain the Octave for example would be better than my Puccini. I'm just saying the improvement wouldn't be so big that I could justify the expense in my current situation. If I were to buy an amplifier that cost as much as I paid for the C1s, that would almost double the cost of my (stereo) system, without being anywhere near twice as good. Therefore, a decrease in value for money, for sure. While I can tough it out to keep the luxury of C1s, I just cannot extend that any further. That should be simple to understand, no?

Hi Callas, which T+A did you hear?

It's think it's perfectly reasonable to give a guideline which i did. I never said the c1 wasn't capable of good sound with lower powered amps. i preferred their sound when I heard them with higher powered amplifiers ( Bryston, Plinius, VTL and Mcintosh monoblocks ) since the bass capabilities were fully maximized, dynamic capabilities came alive and the sound was just more relaxed and more natural.

So for the record, if your listening from less than 6 feet away and listening at low volume levels that don't exceed 90 db then you should be ok with whatever you choose to put in front of it.

A lot of people tell me that the C1s need a lot of power to sound their best. But I think for most users of the C1, high quality power is more important. The speaker works best in small spaces. Heck if I had a bigger room, I would get bigger speakers and more power. But given the size of the room, my C1s do really well and I don't need all that much power. In my neck of the woods, 99.5% of the people live in shoebox apartments. The C4 would totally overwhelm the room both visually and sound. Plus I'm never able to play them that loud. So in my case a little SimAudio 85w will suffice. Will a SimAudio 150 pre/pro work better? Sure, but I don't have the space for that, and I'm not sure I will really get the benefit from that either. Actually I was very close to getting the Simaudio W7 but not sure where to put it.

I don't understand people that regret their speaker buys though. If you're not happy get something else. There are so many choices out there that you are bound to find something. Life's too short to be grousing about the C1s on a Dynaudio forum. Peace.

I think this thread's been lacking pictures of late, so here's one, as I just cleaned up the place anyways. Not much has changed since the last pic though. Carpet is again missing from the picture, this time because it's packed away, waiting to get washed Aside from that the CD tower on the left will eventually be replaced by a bookshelf just like the one on the right. I'm still a bit undecided on the acoustic panel stuff. They might have to wait 'til Christmas when I should have a bit of "spare change" again.

I have heard the C1s with the T+A V series pre-amp and their Monoblocks and the R series R1260 R. I have heard the C1s with the Octave V40 and V70 as well, Plus I heard them with something else, I believe it was a Mark Levinson IA. I prefered the R1260R the most tho.

How about we take a quick break from arguing about gear...and bring it on back to music. After all...isn't that what we say here in the Dyn thread; it's about music, not sound?

If you missed it, yesterday saw the release of a new title by one Melody Gardot. Now, while I didn't spin Ms Gardot's My One And Only Thrill, like it was one of only two available titles of female vocals (the other being Adele's 21...which, fwiw...imo...is way over-produced, and inferior to her first release 19) available for the audiophile set...I did check this out, and it's a tasty record.

More textured and interesting, than MOAOT...and it sounded amazing, even on my PC and Audioengines; so I can't wait to check it out on the good rig...lol



Whether you have a 5-figure amp, that pumps out 4-figures worth of power...or not; we all have Dyns, right? This should make them sound glorious. Enjoy.

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For what it's worth I think your listening space looks quite cool, even the furniture has a retro/modernish feel ( yes I know it's contradictory but there you go ) that i find appealing.

Thanks for the recommendation, almost worth buying just for the picture!

Its now been 2months (or so) since I got my Focus 220mk2s. Just had to report that they blow my mind every day, amazing speakers. Very happy.

Ah, gotta check it out, since it's apparently on Spotify too. I did like MOAOT, though haven't listened to it more than a couple of times since "discovering" it maybe six months back - so many other artists to listen to, after all. I've actually not even listened to Adele's 21 yet, aside from Rolling In The Deep, which has been kinda impossible to avoid. 19 was nice though. But something always rubs me the wrong way when something is "overhyped" as much as Adele currently is. Within Finland Gardot is only hyped by the hifi community, never even seen her mentioned elsewhere - by comparison Adele is hyped by everyone, everywhere, all the time. Though at least she actually is good, but even so, it gets to be a bit much at times. Regardless, 21 is on my Amazon list of stuff to be bought, but when I actually get around to it is another matter entirely!


Thanks. My previous places have been a mishmash of whatever stuff, so this time around I tried to at least have the living room have something resembling a unified "style". I know it's kinda limited to the theme of the color brown (the carpet is white & brown too) as I haven't actually bought anything new for it (only brought some things over from my "childhood home" that I didn't have in the last two places), but meh, it's still leaps and bounds better than what came before it, both in "style" as well as room arrangement

Wow, is that one hot album cover!

For those of you in SoCal, the Newport Audio Show is taking place this weekend(June 1,2 and 3), we will be exhibiting in conjunction with Sunny's Home Theater in room 331 and room 335 at the Hilton. My colleagues will be there demonstrating, Confidence, Focus and Xeo from Dynaudio as well new products from Octave and T+A including the brand new DAC-8.

I love me some Melody Gardot

tvih, have u ever tried decreasing the "toe-in" a bit? In other words, toe them out while playing one of ur best discs. If so, what were the results? Do u experience any depth at all in ur soundstage? I don't know u and the other fellow dyn members, but I hardly toe my C2s in at all. U barely notice it. I've managed to get my speakers to dissapear...soundstage almost 3-dimensional with depth. I can pick out the locations of all of the musicians when listening the music. FYI, I'm using BAT (mult-channel) amp, Theta Digital CBIII as Pre/Pro, Richard Gray for line conditioning...and Pioneer Elite BDP-09 for the source. I know it's not the best source for the set-up at this time. So, I'm using the Digital coax connection since my DACs in the Pre/Pro are of very high quality. When finances permit, I'll upgrade the source to something more suitable...such as Ayre C5xe or the Theta Compli-Blu. Don't know how I got on this tangent...but after looking at ur setp, I thought you might want to try repositioning ur speakers. Forgive me if I'm beating a dead horse. Good luck.

Congrats! Are they broken in yet? I've had my Dyns for a few years now, and I still get excited when I come home from work and pop in a CD or spin some vinyl. I've never looked back on the investment I've made on my system. And, I look forward the next upgrade...whenever that happens!
Sometimes, after come home from work, and if it's late at night, I'll pop in to my listening room just to take a look at my speakers with admiration. I know, it's a little silly. But these Dyns can have that effect on a guy. Happy Listening! Oh, What type of music are u listening to?

Anyone heard the Focus 110A? Someone on another forum was asking for suggestions to use with Sonos and I thought that might be a good one.

Focus 110A'a are very good, the new Xeo wireless products are pretty amazing as well. The transmitter for Xeo has 1 USB input, 1 Tos-Link and one stereo analog input, perfect fro integrating with Sonos. The amp in the Xeo speakers is digital(not class D), truly digital with DSP built in, all volume and source selection is done at the speaker and the wireless signal transfer is native red book CD quality at 16 bit 44K.

Careful that is my gf first modeling job!

Yes. As I mentioned in an earlier posts, I've had plenty of time to play around with positioning. In fact shortly before taking the picture the toe-in was... lesser, and I made it steeper for a change - that's how it was originally. It's not really any sort of major difference either way though so I'm not sure why I bothered to tweak them now anyway

Thing is if you were to have no toe-in, given that in my setup the distance between speakers is pretty much the same as the distance from the listening spot to the speaker (equilateral triangle), you could easily end up outside of the 30-degree dispersion area that I generally try to stay within.

This keeps cracking me up...so beautifully condescending.

And if there's one thing Dynaudio owners know, it's condescension!













I'm joking!!!!

Man, that cover is smokin' hot.

I've been listening to Melody Gardot ever since her first album in 2008. I loved MOAOT.

Boy, you got that right, Mick!

I did my best Puma Cat "RAWRRrrr!" when I saw that....