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post #1621 of 19349
11/29/07 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by introvert View Post

Hello

I've recently bought new studio monitors - dynaudio bm5a with rme fireface 400 audio interface.

The problem I'm facing with is that they play really quiet, almost unnoticable noise - buzz (hum).. If I dont play the music the hum is present.

Whether I try to unplug the monitors from the audio interface I can still hear the hum.

I read somewhere I should try to move them (to increase the distance betwen electronic equipment), however this does not help..

I also tried emailing dynaudio company but they didnt respond..


Anyone has any similar experience and knows what could be the cause of this?

Thanks a lot for help

Make sure you don't have a ground loop. Try one of these http://www.wallcoinc.com/Calrad_95_7...l22-95-795.htm If it stops the hum you have a ground loop. You google ground loops for ways to fix it or just leave the grounds disconnected.
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post #1622 of 19349
11/29/07 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by AudioArchitect View Post

I only saw the article on stereophile.com. Are they going to have any additional pics in the new stereophile magazine?

I haven't seen the December issue of Stereophile yet but a number of people have called to tell me about the article. However, I don't know if there is a better picture of the C-4 in the magazine but I ma sure I will see it soon.

Mick
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post #1623 of 19349
12/3/07 at 5:26pm
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/d...fidence_c1.htm

Soundstage has a review of the C1.
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post #1624 of 19349
12/3/07 at 6:31pm
Hi,

new to this forum, and I'm gald that I found this Dynaudio Owner's thread.

Looking for a pair of new floorstander. Contour S3.4 is on my shortlist.

Can someone please describe the S3.4 sound for me? In general terms, is it smooth, detailed, dynamic, soft, transparent, slightly veiled, impactful bass, slightly rounded bass, great treble extension or slightly rolled? Warm robust midrange, lean mids, fairly neutral to dry?

mainly listen to vocal (50%), jazz (30%), new age and others (20%).

also the S3.4 is in production since 2003, any news on a replacement model in the pipeline?

Thank you.
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post #1625 of 19349
12/4/07 at 12:34am
Hello guys, my first post. Please forgive my lack of hi-fi experience.

You know how it goes. You look and listen to your system and think about the next upgrade. For me, the B&W DM303's are a good entry level speaker and at $300 new a very good value, but time for an upgrade.

So, a trip to the local dealer, Hi-Fi Sound in Minneapolis where they do a great job, was in order during a small snow storm. I was there to pick up the phono stage for my Arcam Alpha 10 integrated amp. When you have a Thorens 166 Mk II sitting in a box, it just begs to be setup and played. I have since done that and it sounds wonderful.

Back to the store...I decided to go into one of the listening rooms and listen to the new B&W 685's. For a comparison, the salesman used the Dynaudio 52SE's and my ears were in for a treat. I was struck with awe and beauty as we played selections from classical, solo piano, jazz, and others. I closed my eyes, listened to the selections for two hours and compared both speakers. The Dynaudio 52SE's are stunning. I lost the speakers several times during the test as if the music was all around me. The B&W 685 did an admirable job and I know it's a huge price difference, but it just didn't present the music as well as the 52SE's to my ears. I'm just happy I stopped there and left the other Dyn's without a listen!

The dealer said my Arcam Alpha 10 wouldn't have a problem driving the 52SE's. What is your opinion?

I'm excited about the new speakers and can't wait to break them in. Let me know if you guys have any thoughts or suggestions. Speaker cable comes to mind as well - but I'd rather not take a 2nd mortgage for some of those Nordost cables but that is the nature of our hobby and passion.

Thanks again guys.
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post #1626 of 19349
12/4/07 at 1:18am
describe the S3.4 sound
smooth YES
detailed YES
dynamic YES but only if you the S3.4 with a high current amplifier
transparent YES
YES impactful bass YES but only if you the S3.4 with a high current amplifier
slightly rounded bass NOT so rounded as the Focus line
great treble extension YES. The treble is not so extended as in B&W 804S or Focal Electra 1027 but it's less fatiguing
Warm robust midrange YES
neutral YES

mainly listen to vocal (50%), jazz (30%), new age and others (20%).

> I think the S3.4 is a very good choice for such a kind of music.


also the S3.4 is in production since 2003, any news on a replacement model in the pipeline?

> I don't think so, first the Audience line needs to be replaced.
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post #1627 of 19349
12/4/07 at 1:45am
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Originally Posted by cazaril View Post

The dealer said my Arcam Alpha 10 wouldn't have a problem driving the 52SE's. What is your opinion?


105W / channel of The Arcam is enough to drive the 52SE. It's an awesome speaker, much more better than the B&W 685 in almost every aspect, my colleague have a pair of 52 SE married with an old but still good Gryphon Tabu Century, it sounds great
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post #1628 of 19349
12/4/07 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by cazaril View Post

Hello guys, my first post. Please forgive my lack of hi-fi experience.

You know how it goes. You look and listen to your system and think about the next upgrade. For me, the B&W DM303's are a good entry level speaker and at $300 new a very good value, but time for an upgrade.

So, a trip to the local dealer, Hi-Fi Sound in Minneapolis where they do a great job, was in order during a small snow storm. I was there to pick up the phono stage for my Arcam Alpha 10 integrated amp. When you have a Thorens 166 Mk II sitting in a box, it just begs to be setup and played. I have since done that and it sounds wonderful.

Back to the store...I decided to go into one of the listening rooms and listen to the new B&W 685's. For a comparison, the salesman used the Dynaudio 52SE's and my ears were in for a treat. I was struck with awe and beauty as we played selections from classical, solo piano, jazz, and others. I closed my eyes, listened to the selections for two hours and compared both speakers. The Dynaudio 52SE's are stunning. I lost the speakers several times during the test as if the music was all around me. The B&W 685 did an admirable job and I know it's a huge price difference, but it just didn't present the music as well as the 52SE's to my ears. I'm just happy I stopped there and left the other Dyn's without a listen!

The dealer said my Arcam Alpha 10 wouldn't have a problem driving the 52SE's. What is your opinion?

I'm excited about the new speakers and can't wait to break them in. Let me know if you guys have any thoughts or suggestions. Speaker cable comes to mind as well - but I'd rather not take a 2nd mortgage for some of those Nordost cables but that is the nature of our hobby and passion.

Thanks again guys.

Jarl--I have had recent first-hand experience with the Alpha 10 and feel confident that it would drive the 52SEs with ease. A client traded in the Alpha 10 with a pair of Audience 70s towards his last purchase and I was simply amazed at the finesse and tonal balance of this combination.

Regarding cables--Nordost is very good and sometimes expensive..you really need to pick the right "level" for your system.

An inexpensive yet plausible solution is Apature Cables. They offer extreme value in hifi.

Let me know if you need any help and happy listening!
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post #1629 of 19349
12/4/07 at 4:05am
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Originally Posted by plinius View Post

Hi,

new to this forum, and I'm gald that I found this Dynaudio Owner's thread.

Looking for a pair of new floorstander. Contour S3.4 is on my shortlist.

Can someone please describe the S3.4 sound for me? In general terms, is it smooth, detailed, dynamic, soft, transparent, slightly veiled, impactful bass, slightly rounded bass, great treble extension or slightly rolled? Warm robust midrange, lean mids, fairly neutral to dry?

mainly listen to vocal (50%), jazz (30%), new age and others (20%).

also the S3.4 is in production since 2003, any news on a replacement model in the pipeline?

Thank you.

I really like the Contour 3.4s as they offer wonderful dynamics, linearity, speed and versatility. I would not call the 3.4 veiled in the sense of transparency however, when put side by side to its bigger brother the 5.4 not only does dynamic range improve so does transparency as the 5.4 utilizes the coveted esotar2 tweeter.

The 3.4 is really a gem of speaker and the 5.4 even more-so. It is a matter of budget, room size, and up-stream gear as to which is better for you between the 3.4 and 5.4.

At this time there is no replacement talk of the Contour line.

Happy listening.
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post #1630 of 19349
12/6/07 at 3:06pm
Could someone tell me if they think a pair of audience 42W for rear surround duty would match tonally well enough with my Focus 220's and 200 center. I'm not concerned about matching for DVD-A or SACD just 5.1 movie surround.
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post #1631 of 19349
12/6/07 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by lewitopdog View Post

Could someone tell me if they think a pair of audience 42W for rear surround duty would match tonally well enough with my Focus 220's and 200 center. I'm not concerned about matching for DVD-A or SACD just 5.1 movie surround.

The 42 wall will match just fine with the Focus series in fact a huge advantage with using soft tweeters throughout all of our speakers is that the the overall tonality stays very similar, it is the performance that changes(as it should). The veneers are similar between the Audience and Focus and since they are real wood veneers they will look good too. You also may want to check out the Audience 42 Sat if the veneer matching isn't important, they only come in one finish but are considerably slimmer than the 42 Wall.

http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/systems/...ience42sat.php

Mick
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post #1632 of 19349
12/6/07 at 7:10pm
Currently an Audience 62 owner, which is paired with a Roksan Kandy MkIII amp. Now I'm looking at upgrading to the Focus 220s. Will the amp do the trick?

185 Watts, into 4Ohms

I think it would be a nice upgrade... but I'll have to audition to make sure.
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post #1633 of 19349
12/7/07 at 12:55am
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Originally Posted by ChrisII View Post

Currently an Audience 62 owner, which is paired with a Roksan Kandy MkIII amp. Now I'm looking at upgrading to the Focus 220s. Will the amp do the trick?


If You want play the Focus 220 in the same room as showed in the photos, I think that you will have plenty of low bass. The room seems too small for this speaker.
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post #1634 of 19349
12/7/07 at 5:22pm
I got to spend some time with a pair of Sapphires today
Pictures dont do these speakers justice at all. The wood grain and finish are amazing.
I cant fully comment on thier sound just yet as they still have to break in, but after playing them for a few hours today there is no doubt this is a special speaker.
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post #1635 of 19349
12/7/07 at 6:01pm
I stopped by my favorite candy shop (Dynaudio) yesterday to pick up our demo Sapphires. I have been in awe since. They have been playing non-stop in an effort to get some hours on them but out of the box they have been nothing short of a pure pleasure to listen to. The dynamics, linearity, and transparency are all great! I am really enjoying these speakers....more to come tomorrow but I have to get back to listening......
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post #1636 of 19349
12/8/07 at 7:28am
Well, I have had the chance to do further listening this morning I am still smiling from ear to ear. These speakers are the best I have had in my demo room. They are really starting to come into another level in terms of smoothness around the 50 hr mark of break-in and I anticipate they will continue to evolve sonically over the next 250 hours or so.

If anyone would like a demo please do not hesitate to contact us to setup an appointment as we are the first dealer in Chicago with this exciting speaker!!
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post #1637 of 19349
12/8/07 at 7:56am
On a different note, I'm achieving new levels with my Special Twenty-Fives. I got down and dirty and whipped out the tape measure and played with distances and toe-in angles and the results are terrific. Very happy.
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post #1638 of 19349
12/8/07 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by Tmueller View Post

Well, I have had the chance to do further listening this morning I am still smiling from ear to ear. These speakers are the best I have had in my demo room. They are really starting to come into another level in terms of smoothness around the 50 hr mark of break-in and I anticipate the will continue to evolve sonically over the next 250 hours or so.

If anyone would like a demo please do not hesitate to contact us to setup an appointment as we are the first dealer in Chicago with this exciting speaker!!

I keep telling myself that with no matching finish center speaker, the saphires are not for me. NOT FOR ME, NOT FOR ME.
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post #1639 of 19349
12/9/07 at 2:26am
I went to LA Audio Video to look around today. Asked about an Audience 42C to finish off my setup(four Audience 42's). He offered me a pretty good deal which I bit on. I asked him about the higher Dynaudio's and he offered to audition some C4's for me! So I go to the room and he takes a couple minutes to set them up. Beautiful speakers! I noticed a Krell amp and a Mark Levinson preamp I believe. He played Norah Jones' Don't Know Why and left the room to help another customer. I sit there for the whole song thinking that something just did not sound right. I go behind the speakers and they aren't even hooked up! They were hooked up to the speakers next to them which I'm not sure of the model(non-Dyn). Disappointed because I had to leave, this was the closest I've come to listening to a truly highend Dyn system. I'm definitely going back there to audition the C4's and other speakers. They have a plethora of Mcintosh, Krell, and many other brands that I am not familiar with. Great dealer imho.
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post #1640 of 19349
12/9/07 at 1:17pm
I am going to change out my S1.4 with the SR, so question is what is a good used price on my black ash S1.4 with matching stands?

Thanks

Michael
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post #1641 of 19349
12/9/07 at 1:35pm
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so question is what is a good used price on my black ash S1.4 with matching stands?

Typically $1800 and $2100 with stands. Buyer pays shipping and PayPal fee.
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post #1642 of 19349
12/9/07 at 1:42pm
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I go behind the speakers and they aren't even hooked up! They were hooked up to the speakers next to them which I'm not sure of the model(non-Dyn).

Wow! As a Dyn dealer that also has other models, I can easily detect when the Dyn's are playing and when they are not. Too bad, you didn't get a chance, the C4 is awesome. Do yourself a favor and play something with some balls, though. Throw Norah Jones to the curb and grab Brothers in Arms from Dire Straits.....Crank them bad boys up. Dealer will be pissed because he'll have to scrape you off the floor.
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post #1643 of 19349
12/10/07 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

I keep telling myself that with no matching finish center speaker, the saphires are not for me. NOT FOR ME, NOT FOR ME.


The Confidence Center comes in Birds Eye Maple veneer and can be stained to match any of the three Sapphire finishes. Oops, I just left you with nothing to to tell yourself. Of course the Confidence Center is not the exact match but it is very close.

Mick
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post #1644 of 19349
12/10/07 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

I keep telling myself that with no matching finish center speaker, the saphires are not for me. NOT FOR ME, NOT FOR ME.

I'm pretty sure Dyn will sell you a single Sapphire to use as a CC, and I'll bet they'll book match it for you. Problem solved.
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post #1645 of 19349
12/10/07 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

I'm pretty sure Dyn will sell you a single Sapphire to use as a CC, and I'll bet they'll book match it for you. Problem solved.



Too Funny!
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post #1646 of 19349
12/10/07 at 5:52pm
And maybe it was an error... Not the speakers, mind you, but the other purchases i've recently made.

I just bought the following 5.1 system:
Focus 220 mains, 220c center, and 140 surrounds
Actually...don't have the sub yet... looking ID for that one.


The PROBLEM (or is it??) is that I also recently bought a Denon 3808 receiver. I looked at the back (AFTER I bought the speakers...because I'm a little slow, I guess), and it proudly says 6-16 ohms as plain as day. I'm not smart enough to figure out separates, so I didn't even consider that route...

I've never even turned this receiver on. I don't have the speakers yet, so I can't try them. The dealer where I got the speakers doesn't sell Denon, so I couldn't try it there.

Is anyone running the Focus series with a 3808? Basically looking for advice on whether I need to box this baby up and send it back, or if I'll be okay with what I've got. I'd really love to stop hemorrhaging cash into my living room for a bit, if I can help it....but I don't want to do damage to the speakers or the receiver.

Thanks.
-Todd
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post #1647 of 19349
12/11/07 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by rtlancaster View Post

I don't want to do damage to the speakers or the receiver.



The risk that you will damage the speakers or the ampli is not very high if you don't listen a very long time on the high level volume. The 150W power of Denon is a safe level of power. But I dont' think Denon will exploit the Focus potential in every way, it's an amplifier far below the speakers quality.

Normally Focus 220 floorstenders matched with a good stereo amplifier style Krell 400xi or NAD M3 may sound better than the entire Focus 5.1 HT set driven by the Denon 3808.
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post #1648 of 19349
12/11/07 at 8:51am
^^Im sure others will have better more detailed answers for ya but I would think you could take your budget and put most of the money into an amp and the rest for a inexpensive pre. Ultimately you want the best out of these awesome speakers and I dont think a denon receiver would do that. They will sound good at low vol. but will sound strained at high vol. Mine did till I put 250 watts of Halo power behind em.
What is your budget if you returned the denon? That will help others give very informed suggestions...
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post #1649 of 19349
12/11/07 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by jriggy View Post

^^Im sure others will have better more detailed answers for ya but I would think you could take your budget and put most of the money into an amp and the rest for a inexpensive pre. Ultimately you want the best out of these awesome speakers and I dont think a denon receiver would do that. They will sound good at low vol. but will sound strained at high vol. Mine did till I put 250 watts of Halo power behind em.
What is your budget if you returned the denon? That will help others give very informed suggestions...

And remember, Audiogon is your friend.
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post #1650 of 19349
12/11/07 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by rtlancaster View Post

And maybe it was an error... Not the speakers, mind you, but the other purchases i've recently made.

I just bought the following 5.1 system:
Focus 220 mains, 220c center, and 140 surrounds
Actually...don't have the sub yet... looking ID for that one.


The PROBLEM (or is it??) is that I also recently bought a Denon 3808 receiver. I looked at the back (AFTER I bought the speakers...because I'm a little slow, I guess), and it proudly says 6-16 ohms as plain as day. I'm not smart enough to figure out separates, so I didn't even consider that route...

I've never even turned this receiver on. I don't have the speakers yet, so I can't try them. The dealer where I got the speakers doesn't sell Denon, so I couldn't try it there.

Is anyone running the Focus series with a 3808? Basically looking for advice on whether I need to box this baby up and send it back, or if I'll be okay with what I've got. I'd really love to stop hemorrhaging cash into my living room for a bit, if I can help it....but I don't want to do damage to the speakers or the receiver.

Thanks.
-Todd

Here is the official word from Denon FAQ
11) Can I use 4 ohm loudspeakers with my Denon receiver or power amplifier?

Yes, you certainly can.
To understand this a bit better, first realize that all amplifiers are designed to deliver a signal into an electrical "load" or resistance presented by the loudspeaker. We measure resistance in units called "ohms" (after the German physicist Georg Simon Ohm, 1787-1854).

Conventional wisdom makes an 8 ohm loudspeaker load the most acceptable because it "protects" the amplifier from delivering too much current. A 4 ohm loudspeaker can encourage a marginally designed amplifier to deliver more current than it comfortably can.

However, you should remember that a loudspeaker's impedance rating is a nominal or average one: A speaker rated at 8 ohms may actually vary from 5 (sometimes even less) to 20 ohms or higher, depending on the frequency at which you measure the impedance. (Don't worry about this too much -- good speaker engineers are well aware of these variations and take them into consideration when designing products.)

In general, you'll find that Denon products are designed to function with a wide variety of loudspeakers and have power supplies and output circuitry more than able to meet the current demands of low impedance loads.

In the rare event that very low impedances tax the amplifier, quick acting circuitry will protect it from damage. If unusual operating conditions trigger this circuitry, the word "PROTECTION" will appear on the unit's front panel. If this happens, simply turn the unit off, wait a moment or two, and turn the unit back on again. The protection circuitry will automatically reset. If it re-engages, check your system for possible malfunctions.
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