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They look good Jax.

White wouldn't work for me (I still love my Piano Black Lacquer), but they're a nice option to have.
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Originally Posted by kyle454 View Post

I have the Focus 140's and Focus 200c center, L/C/R....powering them is an Emotiva XPA-3 with an Onkyo 709 receiver...my question is about my receiver. With 1 input I can turn the volume to 98(max), but I want more!!
For more volume, what now? Where's the POWER??
New receiver?
I'm stumped!eek.gif
Suggestions?

I don't understand this post. You have focus 140's as mains and a 200 center. You have them powered with a three channel amp that delivers 300 watts (4 ohms) into each. More power than what each speaker can handle at constant levels. You claim that "with 1 input I can turn the volume to max, but I want more". I have a very hard time believe this because if you truly had your receiver maxed out, I'm sure you are clipping the signal to the amp, which is then amplifying the clipped signal straight to your speakers. Have you noticed smoke coming from the speakers? Seriously.....

If your receiver has channel trims, then you may want to check that to see if you have them turned down through an auto calibration, or something.
You may want to check your connections between your receiver and amp.
Is there a problem with your amp? You can use a voltmeter and check the amps at the speaker terminals on the back of the amp to determine the actual amount of power going to your speakers.

Other than that, if you find you need more volume, I'd suggest getting different speakers. Something much larger in cabinet volume (floorstanders) and something much more efficient (horns, etc.).
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Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

I don't understand this post. You have focus 140's as mains and a 200 center. ...

Is there a problem with your amp? You can use a voltmeter and check the amps at the speaker terminals on the back of the amp to determine the actual amount of power going to your speakers.
Other than that, if you find you need more volume, I'd suggest getting different speakers. Something much larger in cabinet volume (floorstanders) and something much more efficient (horns, etc.).

And/or add a sub for bass extension to help create a bigger sound.
post #16354 of 21659
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Well, I want to let the 340s run in before I critique them. I will defintely report back after a week of continuous run-in (hope my amp can take the abuse rolleyes.gif). I use a NAD M2 which I really love.
Regarding the 160s, it should be obvious I was crazy about them. However, I found them much better after some run-in time also. If you upgrade to the 160s, you will be getting a truly state of the art performer. I owned the X16s for awhile and thought they were amazing for the money, but the 160s really raise the bar in terms of clarity. How big is your room. In a smaller room the 160s would be my preference over the bigger focus speakers.
Buying the 340s over the 260s was a very hard decision. I almost went for the black 260s on audiogon. That pair is a steal. And the price jump between the 260 and 340 is very steep. But I went for it because the 340 has the dedicated midrange and actually has larger woofers (not to mention cabinet) than the 260. Even though the specs do not show a difference in the bass extension, I believe there will still be a difference in the bass presentation and weight from larger drivers and a bigger cabinet, not to mention that the drivers are dedicated to the low frequencies. I do wish that the 340 had the esotar2 tweeter that is in the 380. Seems to me for the price jump it should have been included, but maybe the Dyn engineers preferrred the new esotec tweeter for the 340 so who am I to second guess.

I originally wanted the focus 140s for the extra bass, but the budget wasn't there for them, so I went with the X16s over the 110s, I felt they'd work better with my AVR, and they werent much different in performance overall. However when I heard the 160s and 260s they really impressed me with their bass energy compared to the older focus, imo the older focus was a little more bloated and slow compared to the new line. Again jmo. But also the open sound and clarity of the new focus, which I like more then the excites. However the excites are great in their price range.

Here's a nice review of the 260s from the absolute sound.
http://www.avguide.com/review/dynaudio-focus-260-loudspeaker-tas-224
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I am really glad JS did NOT have the 160s in stock. The Special 25s were one thing, costing nearly $6k. They were amazing but thoroughly out of reach. The 160s, at $2,900, would have been too temptingly close. Sounds like they may be my upgrade path...in who knows how many years...
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Originally Posted by kyle454

I have the Focus 140's and Focus 200c center, L/C/R....powering them is an Emotiva XPA-3 with an Onkyo 709 receiver...my question is about my receiver. With 1 input I can turn the volume to 98(max), but I want more!!
For more volume, what now? Where's the POWER??
New receiver?
I'm stumped!
Suggestions?Quote

Quote" I don't understand this post. You have focus 140's as mains and a 200 center. You have them powered with a three channel amp that delivers 300 watts (4 ohms) into each. More power than what each speaker can handle at constant levels. You claim that "with 1 input I can turn the volume to max, but I want more". I have a very hard time believe this because if you truly had your receiver maxed out, I'm sure you are clipping the signal to the amp, which is then amplifying the clipped signal straight to your speakers. Have you noticed smoke coming from the speakers? Seriously.....

If your receiver has channel trims, then you may want to check that to see if you have them turned down through an auto calibration, or something.
You may want to check your connections between your receiver and amp.
Is there a problem with your amp? You can use a voltmeter and check the amps at the speaker terminals on the back of the amp to determine the actual amount of power going to your speakers.

Other than that, if you find you need more volume, I'd suggest getting different speakers. Something much larger in cabinet volume (floorstanders) and something much more efficient (horns, etc.). Quote





My guess is that the Onkyo doesn't have enough output voltage at its pre outs to drive the amp to its rated output. It has happened to me and the only option is to change the amp or the pre.
post #16357 of 21659
Raise your hand if you want me to post a youtube vid of my focus 340s...
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Of course we do
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Some early impressions on my new Focus 340s...

For me, a great speaker is one that allows you to hear the subtle spacial queues and small nuances in a recording. However, many speakers that provide this do not sound well integrated. They have an unbalanced presentationt that is grating. It is the rare speaker that allows this level of clarity while remaining balanced and pleasant, especially at higher volumes. These Focus 340s have this quality in spades. I have a go to recording that I use to determine if a speaker is allowing me to hear the most subtle detail. The recording has the artist giving direction to the studio musicians and it's not meant to be heard. Some speakers obscure it entirely. Others make it unnaturally pronounced. The 340s just nail it.

I am gettting the best bass I have ever achieved in my entire audiophile journey. The bass is visceral and immaculate. Maybe I'm lucky that the room is not reacting with these speakers, but the bass is OMG great! I have the 340s about 2' from the back wall and 30" from the side walls. My room is also treated with corner traps behind the speakers.

And finally, these speakers have something I find is mandatory from my speakers. The ability to play louder and louder without ever sounding aggressive. Some people would mistakenly call this "laid back" or warm. Not the case here at all. These speakers are not laid back. They simply don't distort as the volume increases. These speakers really shine when juiced.

And these impresssions are without the full break in. Not sure how much they will change as they continue to break in, but if it gets even better than this, then wow!
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Originally Posted by jgiddyup View Post

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Originally Posted by kyle454
I have the Focus 140's and Focus 200c center, L/C/R....powering them is an Emotiva XPA-3 with an Onkyo 709 receiver...my question is about my receiver. With 1 input I can turn the volume to 98(max), but I want more!!
For more volume, what now? Where's the POWER??
New receiver?
I'm stumped!
Suggestions?Quote
Quote" I don't understand this post. You have focus 140's as mains and a 200 center. You have them powered with a three channel amp that delivers 300 watts (4 ohms) into each. More power than what each speaker can handle at constant levels. You claim that "with 1 input I can turn the volume to max, but I want more". I have a very hard time believe this because if you truly had your receiver maxed out, I'm sure you are clipping the signal to the amp, which is then amplifying the clipped signal straight to your speakers. Have you noticed smoke coming from the speakers? Seriously.....
If your receiver has channel trims, then you may want to check that to see if you have them turned down through an auto calibration, or something.
You may want to check your connections between your receiver and amp.
Is there a problem with your amp? You can use a voltmeter and check the amps at the speaker terminals on the back of the amp to determine the actual amount of power going to your speakers.
Other than that, if you find you need more volume, I'd suggest getting different speakers. Something much larger in cabinet volume (floorstanders) and something much more efficient (horns, etc.). Quote
My guess is that the Onkyo doesn't have enough output voltage at its pre outs to drive the amp to its rated output. It has happened to me and the only option is to change the amp or the pre.
I could swear that the Emotivas have the higher input gain to make up for receivers that have low output voltage. I know that my Integra which is the same as the 708 for the most part, has slightly more voltage output vs the Naim Naits voltage input, I havent had any issues with my system not getting loud enough. So I would be kinda on the same page as JamHead, either theres an issue with the amp, or he needs speakers that delivery more output like towers or he needs higher efficeincy speakers, OR, the Emotiva amp doesnt have the ability to drive enough current to the speakers.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I could swear that the Emotivas have the higher input gain to make up for receivers that have low output voltage. I know that my Integra which is the same as the 708 for the most part, has slightly more voltage output vs the Naim Naits voltage input, I havent had any issues with my system not getting loud enough. So I would be kinda on the same page as JamHead, either theres an issue with the amp, or he needs speakers that delivery more output like towers or he needs higher efficeincy speakers, OR, the Emotiva amp doesnt have the ability to drive enough current to the speakers.

The Emotivas do have high input gain. Unless the 709 or XPA is defective there is no reason for max power not to reach the speakers. The OP did not state room size nor SPL levels that the system is producing. I would not expect clean ultra high output from the 140's in either a large room or at a listening position that is 15 to 20 ft from the speakers. Perhaps the OP has lost most of his hearing from too much volume. If so, he may never reach the levels he wants.
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Originally Posted by kyle454 View Post

I have the Focus 140's and Focus 200c center, L/C/R....powering them is an Emotiva XPA-3 with an Onkyo 709 receiver...my question is about my receiver. With 1 input I can turn the volume to 98(max), but I want more!!
For more volume, what now? Where's the POWER??
New receiver?
I'm stumped!eek.gif
Suggestions?

Kyle has anyone suggested you double-check what "mode" you're in? This, in combination with what someone mentoned about channel levels, would be the first thing I checked.

IMO...if you can't get sufficient volume with 140s and 200 watts per side (and actually 300 into the 140s nominal 4ohms)...with your 709 maxxed-out; either something is set wrong or you should have your hearing checked. In either case...I don't think a new piece of equipment is the answer.

CD
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

The Emotivas do have high input gain. Unless the 709 or XPA is defective there is no reason for max power not to reach the speakers. The OP did not state room size nor SPL levels that the system is producing. I would not expect clean ultra high output from the 140's in either a large room or at a listening position that is 15 to 20 ft from the speakers. Perhaps the OP has lost most of his hearing from too much volume. If so, he may never reach the levels he wants.

yeah, I agree. I sit 8 feet from X16/X22 setup and the 50 watt naim nait 5i can blow me away in my 13x16x8 foot room.
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My new Focus 340s in action: http://youtu.be/ymqGC3QRIhE
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Those look incredible and I bet sound even better.
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Has anyone here compared the Paradigm Signature line to Dynaudio? Where would it fall in terms of the different Dyn models?

I am shopping around for a new nearfield monitor and currently Paradigm S1 is the most appealing.
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

Has anyone here compared the Paradigm Signature line to Dynaudio? Where would it fall in terms of the different Dyn models?
I am shopping around for a new nearfield monitor and currently Paradigm S1 is the most appealing.

Drew, I've owned Paradigm Monitor and Studio lines in the past...though never Signature. I think the general consensus is Paradigm is a good bit brighter than Dynaudio...although perhaps the Signature is less so than Paradigm's "lesser" lines...and the Excite and new Focus more so than Dynaudio's traditional "house" sound.

As always...an audition is best, but I know that can be hard sometimes.

CD
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

Has anyone here compared the Paradigm Signature line to Dynaudio? Where would it fall in terms of the different Dyn models?
I am shopping around for a new nearfield monitor and currently Paradigm S1 is the most appealing.

Pm weird23 he owns Sig s6 now and has also owned at one time C1s. Right now he's considering focus 160s and a few others for a second setup.
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Thanks guys. I need to get out and listen to them. Now only if I could find a local dealer that carries both brands...
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

Thanks guys. I need to get out and listen to them. Now only if I could find a local dealer that carries both brands...
I don't know of any in socal. Sunny components is where I bought my dyns in covina. I have never found a local person to me in the IE that's had the Sigs. Ive always wanted to hear them. I do however prefer the excites over the studios for music. But both are good.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Drew, I've owned Paradigm Monitor and Studio lines in the past...though never Signature. I think the general consensus is Paradigm is a good bit brighter than Dynaudio...although perhaps the Signature is less so than Paradigm's "lesser" lines...and the Excite and new Focus more so than Dynaudio's traditional "house" sound.
As always...an audition is best, but I know that can be hard sometimes.
CD

I own neither. So, unlike CD my view is unbiased. smile.gifsmile.gif I compared the Paradigm S2 to the Sig 25 and S1.4. The Paradigm is definitely brighter IMO. Most recently I listened to the new Focus 160. Definitely not bright. Nor balnaced IMO. The bass was bloated as on previous Focus. I have the flame suit on so let the flaming begin. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

I own neither. So, unlike CD my view is unbiased. smile.gifsmile.gif I compared the Paradigm S2 to the Sig 25 and S1.4. The Paradigm is definitely brighter IMO. Most recently I listened to the new Focus 160. Definitely not bright. Nor balnaced IMO. The bass was bloated as on previous Focus. I have the flame suit on so let the flaming begin. smile.gif

Why are you gearing up for an attack Mudcat; is that what you want? confused.gif

AFAIC, you're entitled to your opinion like everyone else. Anyone who believed Dynaudio was the one and only speaker for everyone, would obviously be an unrealistic fan-boy. Which Dyn do you like/own?

CD
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Why are you gearing up for an attack Mudcat; is that what you want? confused.gif
AFAIC, you're entitled to your opinion like everyone else. Anyone who believed Dynaudio was the one and only speaker for everyone, would obviously be an unrealistic fan-boy. Which Dyn do you like/own?
CD

CD, you are too kind. Generally when any negative comment is made in an owners thread it leads to conflict. Many owners (regardless of brand) will mislead others because they look at the brand and do not listen to the sound.

I do not own Dyns. My choices would be S 1.4 or the 3.4, Special 25 and C1. Not in any order. I am at least 90% HT and have auditioned many times. I just do not get excited enough to take them home.
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

CD, you are too kind. Generally when any negative comment is made in an owners thread it leads to conflict. Many owners (regardless of brand) will mislead others because they look at the brand and do not listen to the sound.
I do not own Dyns. My choices would be S 1.4 or the 3.4, Special 25 and C1. Not in any order. I am at least 90% HT and have auditioned many times. I just do not get excited enough to take them home.

I see. Not to seem naive, but then why do you hang out here? Again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...that you're not just trying to flame-bait.

What are your speakers of choice?

CD
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

Has anyone here compared the Paradigm Signature line to Dynaudio? Where would it fall in terms of the different Dyn models?
I am shopping around for a new nearfield monitor and currently Paradigm S1 is the most appealing.

When I started my speaker hunt, I compared speakers from B&W, Monitor Audio, Paradigm, and Dynaudio at three different stores: A, B, and C. I auditioned the Paradigm SE3 at store B right before auditioning the Excite X12 at store C.

All I can say is that the Paradigm was the worst speaker I heard that day. I frankly left store B in near disgust, and I am sure that experience helped set the the stage for my jaw dropping to the floor when I first heard the X12. I can remember it as clear as day. My reaction was, "OMG! Are you kidding me? All that sound from those tiny things???" I was literally left flabbergasted.

That is about all I can tell you about my Paradigm experience.
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

CD, you are too kind. Generally when any negative comment is made in an owners thread it leads to conflict. Many owners (regardless of brand) will mislead others because they look at the brand and do not listen to the sound.
I do not own Dyns. My choices would be S 1.4 or the 3.4, Special 25 and C1. Not in any order. I am at least 90% HT and have auditioned many times. I just do not get excited enough to take them home.

Maybe they are not set up well where you are hearing them. Dyns will definately sound bloated in the bass if they are too close to the walls. Also, people are so used to speakers that have weak bass that this can be a common reaction to speakers that actually produce full bass. There is a big difference between full bass that is well produced and boomy bass. Many speakers just ignore the bottom octave or two being the hardest to get right. People get used to that and it can be initially jarring when a speaker actually has bass. For me, lack of bass sucks the fun out of most music.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Maybe they are not set up well where you are hearing them. Dyns will definately sound bloated in the bass if they are too close to the walls. Also, people are so used to speakers that have weak bass that this can be a common reaction to speakers that actually produce full bass. There is a big difference between full bass that is well produced and boomy bass. Many speakers just ignore the bottom octave or two being the hardest to get right. People get used to that and it can be initially jarring when a speaker actually has bass. For me, lack of bass sucks the fun out of most music.

Completely agree here. Dyns have to be setup right. Put them too close to walls and you are just wasting your money on them. They really sound better when you follow the manual's guidelines for placement. I think my S3.4s like to be even farther out then the S1.4s did. I am also augmenting the bass with a sub, and it is critical to get the crossover low. If it is set even a little bit too high, you lose midrange definition very quickly. When set low they improve midrange definition. Get it right and it sounds fantastic.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Completely agree here. Dyns have to be setup right. Put them too close to walls and you are just wasting your money on them. They really sound better when you follow the manual's guidelines for placement. I think my S3.4s like to be even farther out then the S1.4s did. I am also augmenting the bass with a sub, and it is critical to get the crossover low. If it is set even a little bit too high, you lose midrange definition very quickly. When set low they improve midrange definition. Get it right and it sounds fantastic.

I found the 3.4 a little too lean in the midbass for some recordings, I noticed this with a Krell solid state amplifier which was surprising, when I switched to a tube amp the bass seemed a little fuller and richer, I attribute this to the bass output being less controlled by the tube amp. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the 3.4 bass.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

My new Focus 340s in action: http://youtu.be/ymqGC3QRIhE

beautiful set-up in looks and simplicity, very nice
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Completely agree here. Dyns have to be setup right. Put them too close to walls and you are just wasting your money on them. They really sound better when you follow the manual's guidelines for placement. I think my S3.4s like to be even farther out then the S1.4s did. I am also augmenting the bass with a sub, and it is critical to get the crossover low. If it is set even a little bit too high, you lose midrange definition very quickly. When set low they improve midrange definition. Get it right and it sounds fantastic.

Well, I am aware that my current placement situation is not ideal. In fact, I nominate mine for the worst. But at least I know it.

In direct contrast to what the owner's manual recommends, the distance between the speakers is greater than their distance from the listener. Both speakers are somewhat enclosed. Both lack proper support/stands. The right speaker is against a wall. The left speaker has poor "line of sight" to the listener. I am breaking all the rules!

If I like them this much now, it makes me wonder how they'll sound one day when properly placed on stands. After that is achieved, then I'll consider upgrading to a Naim amplifier or the like. I wonder what they would sound like then? But who knows when my living situation and/or disposable income will allow for these changes. For now, I am very happy with my little $2K setup (X16 + HK 3490).

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