Dynaudio Owner's Thread - Page 555

Yes!

Exactly- when I purchased my entire Focus set-up years ago AND NAD Masters M15 and M25 Amp all I was able to get was a bit off on Nordost blue heaven cables


Rick

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Edited by Breako - 8/6/12 at 6:35pm

I'd say ur better off sending a private message.

Hey guys; why don't we cool the dealer talk. Haven't you been paying attention?

CD

Actually, I think discussion of pricing on equipment is against AVS forum rules. At least it used to be.

No one mentioned dealer names or actual pricing

Just sayin'
I've seen threads closed in the past.

Many forums that have sponsors/advertisers have similar rules.

Im still relatively new here, who is this Mick character???

While I can agree that keeping the names of dealers offering discounts on the hush is fine, I have never understood the logic that guys need to make a living so asking for a discount is taboo. I need to make a living, my comoany needs to make profits and I constantly offer serious customers discounts. Happens all the time, its part of smart business. But then, I tend to take the long term view, not the short sighted view. If I were to seek a deal with a dealer I would be prepared to pay on the spot. I dont want to waste their time, nor my own. I dont window shop either, if I ask for a discount I have already made a decision to buy, now it just needs to be a good deal.

PS - to this day I have never understood the premise that manufacturers hold their resellers to fixed selling floors. As long as the guy is staying within his assigned territory why he should be fearful of making a deal to close a sale which gives him positive OP and a new customer is pretty mind boggling. But many operate in that realm.

Mick is Dynlunatic. He works for Dynaudio and visits the forum frequently.

Breako...he responded to a post of yours; Dynlunatic is Mick Tillman, and this is in his signature:

Mick Tillman
Dynaudio N/A-distributors of Dynaudio, Octave, Theory and Application

I think Mick oversees N/A dealerships, but I've gotten his title wrong before...lol. That's fine if discounts are a part of your business; and no one is even saying they're "wrong" in this one. But how would you feel...if you gave these discounts, as you say...but you knew technically your boss would frown upon them? Would you want a customer you gave one to, to out you in a public forum?

To quote the greatest movie about Sales, ever made: "You wanna learn the first rule? You’d know it if you’d ever spent a day in your life. You never open your mouth, ’til you know what the shot is..."

As someone else suggested...and again, this is really just common sense IMO; if you want to crow about some great discount you twisted your dealer's arm over; that's what god made PM for. Besides...it probably is against forum rules.

CD

No certainly not. I would never "out" such a dealer nor would I expect anyone else to. I was unaware of Dynaudios resales policy which is why I asked the question in the first place regarding, "had anyone ever negotiated a deal on their speakers with a reseller". I asked another poster to name the dealer, but I had not read the previous post about this being a no no with Dynaudio. Ill handle it the way I deal with the same stuff regarding Shimano USA.

Understood guys-

My post was not to discuss discounts or lack there of but to say we can't always expect discounts on audio gear automatically . I understand that it is so costly to run these stores these days. After the audition of the Focus line (originals) they were in my budget and nothing else compared to me. I knew how much they were before going in to audition and so there were no surprises. Those Focus speakers were so great....

My only mistake was listening to C1 that same day and never got them out of my mind. A few years later yippee.

So anyway, my point was not to discuss discounts or not...Sorry.

Rick

Probably my bad for not reading some of the previous posts before posting to you. I had no idea discussing pricing in here was completely off base??? Didn't know I was Russia, but I'll speak Russian if that's par for the course.

My introduction to Dynaudio started with the Focus 110A, great kitchen sound. Thought i'd do a home theater with more Focus but couldn't resist the seduction of the Confidence.

I'd tread carefully Breako. You're acting like it's a Dynaudio forum rule. It's not; it's an AVS rule. Wanna go to war with those guys? Good luck.

CD

I was going through some old pics on the PC the other day...and couldn't bring myself to let this one go. This is how it all started for me; the Focus 140 (trying desperately to change the subject).



CD

CD, how would you compare it to the modern day version, close or quite different?

No CD, I do not plan on going to war with anyone. My comment was merely my own short observation. Perhaps a bit sarcastic but war starting? Hardly IMO.

Orbitron, I haven't heard the new Focus; but it reads like a complete re-design. I'd have to guess it's quite different. Jax...did you ever own "old" Focus line...or skip right to the S1.4s?

CD

I still have my first set of Dynaudio's I bought 10 years ago:
Audience 52 SE
Audience 62
Audience 72
Audience 122C

No desire to change them. They work perfectly for my AVR. I may someday pull the 52 SE, get another Naim UnitiQute and use them together for a home office or bedroom system. The 52SE are overkill for side surrounds in my AV system and I'd probably be fine going back to 5.1.

I have the F140 and will resist listening to the new focus lines. No money, therefore No upgrades

I still have my first amp and FM Tuner - the Eico Cortina's which i built (remember the kits?) - someplace in the basement.

In regular use?

I don't just have my original Dynaudios. They continue to get played daily.

No, parts dried up. If i remember correctly, i added rear speakers and played 4 speaker stereo - long before the concept of home theater.

Subject change is good and I was going to stir the pot earlier with taboo..

What the heck

I appreciate the fact that C1 can be driven with all types of amps but not sure I can buy into an AVR with C1 and the fact that you might be missing out. I had a hard time with a Yamaha AVR and Vienna Accoustics prior to my love with Dynaudio. Yeah they made sound but ugh...These were audition only at the time at home.

As mentioned my first Dynaudios were the Focus 220s, Center and 110s rear. That Yamaha AVR2400 went away and in came the NAD Masters M15 pro/pro and M25 amp. Not to mention the Focus speakers... WOW.

By the way and I never speak of the dead as there are those that love them but the Focus replaced Axiom. My worst nightmare ever!

Point is what a change!!!! Axiom and Yamaha to Focus and NAD. You have no idea..

The NAD power gave me the chance to move to C1 and not worry about power. I am not mega rich and these upgrades take time for me. I will tell you that is sounded fine but I was finally able to move to Simaudio Titan Amp from the NAD M25 and I did feel a difference. Yes feel. The Titan just seems to deliver more current (not watts). It doubles down from 200 to 400 watts 4 to 8 ohm( a stat I trust-the NAD did not do this). I felt a greater impact in bass. The Titan grabbed Dynaudio's balls in the bass due to its high current nature not the watts per channel..

My biggest change ever was not amp but pre/pro. Folks always say amp but good lord moving from the great NAD Masters M15(non-HD) to the Classe SSP-800 did miracles. I do not need a blindfold but thanks!! The analog section of the Classe is incredible. I never fully got the dead center imaging with C1. Room? Gear? All of the above? Nothing changed in my room but the NAD to Classe. Ran RCAs from my Rega Saturn CDP to Classe and holy crap imaging like I dreamed but hadn't conquered. Unbelievable vocals center and instruments placed in space, Not kidding and so obvious. My system moved to a new level. Classe and Simaudio and Rega seemed to have some secret sauce going. I'm thrilled with the performance....

One comment I turned my REL B1 off for the weekend. Just because. Umm I love my C1s but don't think I could enjoy without a sub at this point in my life. I can't believe what the REL adds but does not subtract from Dynaudio...

So I guess guys it's great how we can power and listen to our C1s but I do think upgraded electronics plays a key role. Simply just enough is not enough from my experience. I won't even talk about power conditioning and cables. It's the sum of all pieces and not just a single piece. I do believe this.

Rick
Edited by Mr.SoftDome - 8/6/12 at 8:23pm

When I went from my Sony to the Integra, there was an upgrade in my Dyns performance, when I got the Naim, wow, the performance went way up. So Yeah, I believe that electronics do play a roll in your speakers performance. Like you said about the titan amp gripping your speakers, the Naim did the same thing with my excites, the bass performance improved greatly. My wife had thought buying the Naim was pointless, in a test of Integra vs Naim, she admitted that the Naim was much better overall.

Mr. SoftDome, I hear and agree with what you are saying! I, for one, believe that it all makes a difference. And like you, I will leave out the part about cables and conditioning. When I was starting out, I had a B&K stack with my C2s. When I moved up to the BAT VK-6200 (multi-channel amp), it was like the angels parted the clouds and sang to me. The same experience occured when I upgraded from B&K Ref 50 to the Theta Digital CBIII. I don't want you guys to think that I'm privilaged...because I'm not! I'm a working man who at times may have his priorities a little out of line. But, I'd like to think that my heart and ears are the right place.

Sparks81