or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Dynaudio Owner's Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Dynaudio Owner's Thread - Page 562

post #16831 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynlunatic View Post

Well, actually I work Dynaudio but either way I can see how you would think I am biased however if someone told you 90% then they should have their ears checked. I agree the X32's are an amazing speaker and certainly the trickle down effect is at play with all of our products but it really is not that close.

Who? Biased? No! eek.gif It never crossed my mind that Dynaudio employees and fanboys are biased. biggrin.gif

The X32 is 80-90% of the C2 in terms of SQ. But it may be only 40% of the C2 in terms of build quality, aesthetic, and other intangibles. biggrin.gif
post #16832 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Who? Biased? No! eek.gif It never crossed my mind that Dynaudio employees and fanboys are biased. biggrin.gif
The X32 is 80-90% of the C2 in terms of SQ. But it may be only 40% of the C2 in terms of build quality, aesthetic, and other intangibles. biggrin.gif

Sounds like an equally-biased...opinion to me; just a different one. Mick works for Dynaudio; what's your excuse? tongue.gif
post #16833 of 21608
CD, are you going to use the rega brio-r for monitors? How is your listening experience with the
dac2?
post #16834 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by catmonv View Post

CD, are you going to use the rega brio-r for monitors? How is your listening experience with the
dac2?

Cat, let me start by saying…I love this little guy! No, this Brio-R wasn’t bought, for serious consideration in the main rig; it’s for an Office system I’m looking to start.

That being said…I NEVER miss an opportunity to try what I think is a good piece of inexpensive gear, in the main system. These guys who think we’re all following our wallets; honestly, for me…that’s just not the case. If this $1k IA…and let’s call it just about half, what I paid used…could truly best my ~$5k combo of C-J pre/power amps; I’d do cartwheels. Not only would I save money…I’d save space, save cables, save electricity…lol.

I’ve read a lot about Rega, and have been fascinated with them…sort of akin to Naim. Actually, I find Rega and Naim get compared a lot…as having a similar, sonic signature. Punch above their weight, good grip on the music…PRaT, etc. I have to say…if this Rega is like Naim, I can see it. Right from the first note, and now that I’ve spent just a little time with it this evening…I could tell this was going to be a “fun” amp to listen to.

It’s got good weight, for such a modest model…and it really does have a “presence”; a “lively” presentation that grabs your attention and gets you enjoying the music. But…and take this with a grain of salt…I don’t think it’s the most accurate sound I’ve come across. It’s almost as if…and I know I’m going to get killed for this, but I don’t mean it be as bad as it might sound…the Brio-R has the “loudness” switch turned on (everyone remember the “loudness” button?).

As I said, it’s got that “presence”; it’s got that round, “full” sound. It’s tons-o-fun (Oh come on…remember when you were a teenager; the “loudness” button is an absolute guilty pleasure)! But I do think it comes at a price. With that kind of presentation, the middle gets congested; and it’s not the last word in sound-staging…placing instruments in a particular space. Plus…it does feel totally out-classed by the C1 Sigs.

Did it get my toes a-tappin’? You bet; it truly did. But I chalk that more up to the fact that it cost ~$5-hundred, not $5-thousand. When you pay $500, for a piece of gear; you put it on, you say “sounds good…sounds fun”…and that’s good enough. $5,000…and we’ve talked about this before…now all of a sudden: are the highs delicate enough, do the mids seem congested…could I have a better grip on the bass. Could I do as good with $3k worth of gear; is my room right; et-cetera, et-cetera, et-cetera. We scrutinize too much; and when was the last time, you relaxed and had enough fun to get those toes a-tappin’…as you were scrutinizing your gear? Plus...the thing is just small and easy; easy to listen to. It's set-it-and-forget-it, and it just never gives you any reason to think about anything other than the music it produces.

Sound like a bad review? Not in the least! The quality and sound of this amp…for $1k, never mind half that…is outstanding. Heavy, good build and finish; cute little remote, and a really good, solid performer. All I’m saying is, it didn't make me forget my C-J combo…in a way that made me go running for Audiogon. OTOH; to sit on my Office credenza…and drive a myriad, of fun, little $1k/pair monitors…at moderate listening levels? Just try to take it from me!
post #16835 of 21608
CD thanks for the review. I myself snatched an Audiolab 8200a from agon. Probably it is the same level with your Brio. I just want to experience the british sound. It is good enough and musical too but I get more when i hook it up to my main rig. I wanted to get the nait 5i or the exposure 1210s but out of my budget which probably be a notch better. I spend more time listening in the bedroom now. No more upgrades for me for the next so mannyyyy years biggrin.gif
post #16836 of 21608
Hey CD, long ago i had a quadraphonic receiver and loved it with loudness on, bass down 2 clicks, treble up 2 clicks, and with a 12 band equalizer in U pattern. Clean, crisp and punchy - i miss my old gear.
post #16837 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

500watts into 1 ohm, yes, but that is not a constant voltage being delivered. The amp you linked to is listed as 90 watts into 8 ohms, which is the equivalent of 26.8 volts. Into one ohm, the wattage rating drops to 500 watts, which equates to 22.3 volts. Still good, but not a constant voltage as I had stated.
Ok, I stand corrected (it's getting a bit too technical for me).

That being said, I'd love to listen to some Boulder amplifiers one day, they must sound tremendous. Alas, they're very rare in Europe and even more in France...
post #16838 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier N.France View Post

Ok, I stand corrected (it's getting a bit too technical for me).
That being said, I'd love to listen to some Boulder amplifiers one day, they must sound tremendous. Alas, they're very rare in Europe and even more in France...

I bet you couldn't tell the difference between your amp and the Boulder amp with regards to sound. wink.gif

Of course, the Boulder costs more than most cars.
post #16839 of 21608
Sweet deal for someone: Clicky
post #16840 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

Mick, so rhett and I were talking about this post. So am I missing 60% of the music? If so, then I bought the wrong product.
how does one break down the 60% performance increase? Are we talking overall performance, or just in the tweeter? I could easily believe overall performance, but if its just the tweeter, am I missing 60% of miles davis' trumpet? 60% of Jimi Hendrix guitar? Or am I missing 10% of the Detail, 20% instrument seperation, 10% imaging, 20 soundstage and 3 deminsionality? And that = 60% better.
Just asking questions, becuase I'd like to understand.

Mick was responding to someone else who posted a percentage. The entire concept of a percentage is ridiculous. A single number can't capture this.
post #16841 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Who? Biased? No! eek.gif It never crossed my mind that Dynaudio employees and fanboys are biased. biggrin.gif
The X32 is 80-90% of the C2 in terms of SQ. But it may be only 40% of the C2 in terms of build quality, aesthetic, and other intangibles. biggrin.gif

I guess I am intrigued as to how you would actually know this to be true since you haven't heard them side by side and you mentioned previously that you heard from other people that the X32 was 90% of the upper frequencies of the C2. cool.gif
post #16842 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Sweet deal for someone: Clicky
They have been for sale on and off for over a year now from that seller. I see he has dropped the price $500.biggrin.gif
post #16843 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

I bet you couldn't tell the difference between your amp and the Boulder amp with regards to sound. wink.gif
Just curious... wink.gif
Quote:
Of course, the Boulder costs more than most cars.
That I know, although there's a pair of second hand 'small' Boulder mono blocks (850 M) available in Germany right now costing less than a car.

But I'm very happy with my Accuphase and plan to keep it for a decade or two smile.gif.
post #16844 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Mick was responding to someone else who posted a percentage. The entire concept of a percentage is ridiculous. A single number can't capture this.

I agree Jax, the entire concept of percetages is ridiculous and a single number cannot capture how much better the C2 is than the X32. Callas, like everything else in this world there is a good, better best and like cars, watches, clothes, etc, etc you will pay for the best products. We all have a budget and the whole concept behind the products that Dynaudio builds is to maximize the technology and overall quality of the product for the pricepoint. It would be suicide and frankly stupid for us to simply make the C2 a pretty cabinet and charge $10,000 more because we can, there is a lot of engineering and technology behind both products but the C2 uses some of our most advanced driver technology, much better components in the crossover(s) and of course better built cabinentry. You are not missing anything with your Excites unless you hear the C2's then you realize how much better everything can be.
post #16845 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynlunatic View Post

I guess I am intrigued as to how you would actually know this to be true since you haven't heard them side by side and you mentioned previously that you heard from other people that the X32 was 90% of the upper frequencies of the C2. cool.gif

I'm basing that on opinions of some owners who are not Dynaudio employees or affiliates.

I was going to buy the X32. But since it's only 40% of the C2, and I don't want to hear only 40% of the sound, eek.gif I'm buying the Focal 836v instead. Some Focal owners are saying they are 90% of the higher end models. biggrin.gif

So, I'm out of here. The hospitality has been great. I'll go back to the owner's thread for B&W, Revel, KEF, Focal, Linkwitz, & Philharmonic. biggrin.gif
post #16846 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynlunatic View Post

I agree Jax, the entire concept of percetages is ridiculous and a single number cannot capture how much better the C2 is than the X32. Callas, like everything else in this world there is a good, better best and like cars, watches, clothes, etc, etc you will pay for the best products. We all have a budget and the whole concept behind the products that Dynaudio builds is to maximize the technology and overall quality of the product for the pricepoint. It would be suicide and frankly stupid for us to simply make the C2 a pretty cabinet and charge $10,000 more because we can, there is a lot of engineering and technology behind both products but the C2 uses some of our most advanced driver technology, much better components in the crossover(s) and of course better built cabinentry. You are not missing anything with your Excites unless you hear the C2's then you realize how much better everything can be.

Percentages and numbers are ridiculous; and as I said, it's impossible to quantify this kind of thing in general. However...when it's what we have, it's what we use. How else are you going to directly compare 2 speakers? As long as all understand the context of the argument, there's no reason for anyone to suppose what's really being suggested...is one speaker only delivers 60% of the sound of another. That is, unless you're deliberately trying to stir up sh*t tongue.gif
post #16847 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I'm basing that on opinions of some owners who are not Dynaudio employees or affiliates.
I was going to buy the X32. But since it's only 40% of the C2, and I don't want to hear only 40% of the sound, eek.gif I'm buying the Focal 836v instead. Some Focal owners are saying they are 90% of the higher end models. biggrin.gif
So, I'm out of here. The hospitality has been great. I'll go back to the owner's thread for B&W, Revel, KEF, Focal, Linkwitz, & Philharmonic. biggrin.gif

So let me get this straight ADTGuy; what you're suggesting, is if Mick had agreed, that the Excite X32 is 90% of the Contour C2...even if he didn't feel so...that you might have stuck-around, and maybe bought a pair? So...his dis-ingenuousness would have brought you into the fold; and his honesty has driven you away?

We're sorry to "lose" you. We're a friendly bunch; love our Dyns, and defend them passionately (fan-boy, I guess...if you must; just not blindly so)...but "friendly". Certainly civil, anyway. If you want sunshine shoved up your arse...and you think that's what they offer in those other forums; maybe that speaks volumes?
post #16848 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Percentages and numbers are ridiculous; and as I said, it's impossible to quantify this kind of thing in general. However...when it's what we have, it's what we use. How else are you going to directly compare 2 speakers? As long as all understand the context of the argument, there's no reason for anyone to suppose what's really being suggested...is one speaker only delivers 60% of the sound of another. That is, unless you're deliberately trying to stir up sh*t tongue.gif

wink.gif
post #16849 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I'm basing that on opinions of some owners who are not Dynaudio employees or affiliates.
I was going to buy the X32. But since it's only 40% of the C2, and I don't want to hear only 40% of the sound, eek.gif I'm buying the Focal 836v instead. Some Focal owners are saying they are 90% of the higher end models. biggrin.gif
So, I'm out of here. The hospitality has been great. I'll go back to the owner's thread for B&W, Revel, KEF, Focal, Linkwitz, & Philharmonic. biggrin.gif

Good for you, however if I was Focal and my entry level speaker line was almost as good as my reference products then I would be embarrased and I would re-consider what I was doing. I know the guys at Focal very well and I guarantee you they would never say such a thing. I am sorry that Dynaudio doesn't work for you and I hope someday you would take the time to actually listen to the products as opposed to just taking someones word for it.
post #16850 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

So let me get this straight ADTGuy; what you're suggesting, is if Mick had agreed, that the Excite X32 is 90% of the Contour C2...even if he didn't feel so...that you might have stuck-around, and maybe bought a pair? So...his dis-ingenuousness would have brought you into the fold; and his honesty has driven you away?
We're sorry to "lose" you. We're a friendly bunch; love our Dyns, and defend them passionately (fan-boy, I guess...if you must; just not blindly so)...but "friendly". Certainly civil, anyway. If you want sunshine shoved up your arse...and you think that's what they offer in those other forums; maybe that speaks volumes?

I was kidding.

But, wow, "sunshine shoved up your arse"......really friendly bunch. rolleyes.gif

That's okay. I'm extremely happy with my Revel Salon2, B&W 802D2, KEF Reference 201/2, Linkwitz Orion3, and Philharmonic 3 speakers. biggrin.gif
post #16851 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Sweet deal for someone: Clicky

If I had a spot I could use those frequently I'd buy them. Here is a great deal on a receiver that powered Sapphires, Excite center & surrounds, and deftech surrounds with no problems.wink.gif

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/integra-dtr-30-2-7-2-receiver--2
Edited by seanmf - 8/16/12 at 2:52pm
post #16852 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynlunatic View Post

I agree Jax, the entire concept of percetages is ridiculous and a single number cannot capture how much better the C2 is than the X32. Callas, like everything else in this world there is a good, better best and like cars, watches, clothes, etc, etc you will pay for the best products. We all have a budget and the whole concept behind the products that Dynaudio builds is to maximize the technology and overall quality of the product for the pricepoint. It would be suicide and frankly stupid for us to simply make the C2 a pretty cabinet and charge $10,000 more because we can, there is a lot of engineering and technology behind both products but the C2 uses some of our most advanced driver technology, much better components in the crossover(s) and of course better built cabinentry. You are not missing anything with your Excites unless you hear the C2's then you realize how much better everything can be.

Of course Im not suggesting that the X32s are anywhere close in terms of overall performance of the C2, Im not delusional of how each speaker performs when properly powered. Ive been able to hear the C2 Sigs a couple times, fantastic product, worth every penny. I also know that the woofers and tweeter(s) are of a better build quality and perform better, as well as better cabinets, veneers, crossovers, dampening, etc. My comment that I made regarding only hearing 40% of the music was tounge n cheek, of course you hear all the music. I know what the C2s are capable of, it just seems that 40% of the performance seems like a low number IMO. 90% seems high.

whatever
post #16853 of 21608
I can settle this - when you own the C2s, you get 100% of the music.biggrin.gif
Edited by Orbitron - 8/16/12 at 3:17pm
post #16854 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I was kidding.
But, wow, "sunshine shoved up your arse"......really friendly bunch. rolleyes.gif
That's okay. I'm extremely happy with my Revel Salon2, B&W 802D2, KEF Reference 201/2, Linkwitz Orion3, and Philharmonic 3 speakers. biggrin.gif

I'm not sure you fully understood my comment. But no matter; it sounds like you're out of here anyway.
post #16855 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orbitron View Post

I can settle this - when you own the C2s, you get 100% of the music.biggrin.gif

What are we doing comparing Excite to Confidence anyway; that's like apples to oranges. A little simple, audiophile math...should tell you 50% of C2s are C1s; which makes C4s twice as good. tongue.gif
post #16856 of 21608
I'll see your C4s and raise you 2 C2s, center, 2 C1s and 2 Sub 600s. smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #16857 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

What are we doing comparing Excite to Confidence anyway; that's like apples to oranges. A little simple, audiophile math...should tell you 50% of C2s are C1s; which makes C4s twice as good. tongue.gif

IDK, we like to argue pointless topics.
post #16858 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

So how do the Excite X32 compare to the Confidence C2?
Arbitrarily, if the C2 is 100%, would the X32 be 90% of the performance in terms of treble and midrange?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dynlunatic View Post

More like 40% of the C2. Nothing against the X32, it is an amazing speaker for the price but it doesn't even come close to the C2 in any aspect especially the upper frequencies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Spoken like a true dealership. biggrin.gif
I've asked other people have have auditioned both, and they say in terms of midrange and treble, it's closer to 90%. Law of diminishing returns. Trickle down effect. In audio, we pay a lot for a little improvement. But to some of us, it's still worth it.
It's the same with any brand, not just Dynaudio.

suddenly i am reminded of this http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/general-board/5072d1343671416-askhole-askhole.jpg
post #16859 of 21608
Quote:

Chris+, that's so funny...it could have been on VeeP! biggrin.gif
post #16860 of 21608
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Chris+, that's so funny...it could have been on VeeP! biggrin.gif

I love that term, I wish I came up with it, and you sorta wonder why no one came up with it sooner.biggrin.gif
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Speakers
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Dynaudio Owner's Thread