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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Sean...love the white Sapphires. Great room.

Thanks. I added a Panasonic projector and 92'' screen since the last pictures I posted. It is nice having a permanent place to live where I have a good idea of what direction I want to take for my home theater. I'm a bit tired of buying and selling things in the past years. I know what I want to do and I'm enjoying what I got.
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Thanks. I added a Panasonic projector and 92'' screen since the last pictures I posted. It is nice having a permanent place to live where I have a good idea of what direction I want to take for my home theater. I'm a bit tired of buying and selling things in the past years. I know what I want to do and I'm enjoying what I got.

I understand that. My music listening room has been a 18 month project. All I'm waiting on now is a few ordered accessories for the turntable and I can finally call it done. I am enjoying music now more than I have in many years.
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I understand that. My music listening room has been a 18 month project. All I'm waiting on now is a few ordered accessories for the turntable and I can finally call it done. I am enjoying music now more than I have in many years.

This winter my setup will see a lot more use. Re-painting everything inside/outside, re-doing all the floors, etc. in a 6 month time span on my house has consumed all my free time. I'm looking forward to having the painting all done where I can just kick back and relax, watch a lot of movies, and enjoy some music. I do know that my Integra receiver just doesn't quite do the job on music. I'm use to naim/octave with Sapphires.
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Now that I have relocated my home office out of the two-channel listening room, I am in the process of getting some music for my office.

I removed my Audience 52SE from the home theater system, where they were overkill as surround speakers (the Audience 62 have been moved in thier place, and I have downgraded from 7.1 to 5.1). I have an Arcam Alpha 9P power amp driving them in my office. So far I just connected my MacBook Pro analog audio out to the Arcam amp. But what I really want is a digital network steamer I can connect to the amp instead, and just use my computer as a UPnP server to stream music via ethernet. However, since I don't have a preamp, I need a streamer with a volume control.

The Cambridge Audio Stream Magic 6 is just what I want, but I don't want to spend $1K. Any suggestions for something cheaper, maybe half that much?
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Just wondering if anyone knows exactly what allen key size you need to tighten the 'bolts' on the front of Contour S1.4's. I have a 2.5mm that is fractionally too big and the next size down is way too small. The hardware store didn't have anything in-between at all.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

The Cambridge Audio Stream Magic 6 is just what I want, but I don't want to spend $1K. Any suggestions for something cheaper, maybe half that much?

Pioneer Elite N-50 or N-30? Not too familiar with them but saw them online recently. I think the N-30 is about $500. Probably can find it discounted somewhere.
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^^^Dean, I assume you are familiar with a unit like the Squeezebox Touch..and something about it doesn't work for you?
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Originally Posted by VNVNation View Post

Just wondering if anyone knows exactly what allen key size you need to tighten the 'bolts' on the front of Contour S1.4's. I have a 2.5mm that is fractionally too big and the next size down is way too small. The hardware store didn't have anything in-between at all.
Thanks!

On my S3.4s, which have the same bolts my S1.4s had, the proper size is 3 mm.
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Originally Posted by adb3da View Post

Pioneer Elite N-50 or N-30? Not too familiar with them but saw them online recently. I think the N-30 is about $500. Probably can find it discounted somewhere.

Thanks. The N-50 is too much $$, but the N-30 is priced in my budget. I will have a look at it...

...edit: doesn't support ALAC or AIFF. That's a problem.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

^^^Dean, I assume you are familiar with a unit like the Squeezebox Touch..and something about it doesn't work for you?

Logitech is dropping that product, so I'm not sure I want to buy into something that will no longer be supported. Does it support streaming 24/192 FLAC files?


Heh...my old Naim UnitiQute would have been perfect for this application, but it's gone.
Edited by RaceTripper - 10/4/12 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Thanks. The N-50 is too much $$, but the N-30 is priced in my budget. I will have a look at it...
...edit: doesn't support ALAC or AIFF. That's a problem.
Logitech is dropping that product, so I'm not sure I want to buy into something that will no longer be supported. Does it support streaming 24/192 FLAC files?
Heh...my old Naim UnitiQute would have been perfect for this application, but it's gone.

It down-converts 24/192 to 24/96. And the UnitiQute was damn-sight not $500! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

It down-converts 24/192 to 24/96. And the UnitiQute was damn-sight not $500! wink.gif

I was bemoaning the fact that I had a Qute and now I don't. frown.gif

The downconversion would be OK for office use. I'll consider it, although all the Touches could be gone anyway by the time I spend the money on something.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

On my S3.4s, which have the same bolts my S1.4s had, the proper size is 3 mm.

Thanks for that RaceTripper, my allen key is 1/8 inch which is 3.17mm - slightly big. Looks like I need to source a 3mm. Thanks again.
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Did any of you guys read Art Dudley's "Skin Deep" op-ed piece in Stereophile this month. He really bashed high priced audio. Looks like a lot of people here already knew that!

Rob
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Logitech is dropping that product, so I'm not sure I want to buy into something that will no longer be supported.

Yeah, understood Dean. The consensus in the SB camp, is that the firmware is mature enough at this point to live on; but I understand your reservations. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do confused.gif

Probably something MacMini based; but AFAIK, nothing could touch the SB for Internet Radio streaming.
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Did any of you guys read Art Dudley's "Skin Deep" op-ed piece in Stereophile this month. He really bashed high priced audio. Looks like a lot of people here already knew that!
Rob

Rob, give it a rest huh. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Rob, give it a rest huh. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

CD, perhaps you misunderstood, I agree with Art, I'm talking about $150,000 turntables, not Dynaudio speakers which I find to be a great value.

Rob
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Originally Posted by VNVNation View Post

Thanks for that RaceTripper, my allen key is 1/8 inch which is 3.17mm - slightly big. Looks like I need to source a 3mm. Thanks again.

Shoot me a P.M. with your address.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Yeah, understood Dean. The consensus in the SB camp, is that the firmware is mature enough at this point to live on; but I understand your reservations. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do confused.gif
Probably something MacMini based; but AFAIK, nothing could touch the SB for Internet Radio streaming.

I want something that doesn't require me to interact with it via software on my Mac. A UPnP server is OK to service streaming files, but I want the interface to be either on the hardware itself or via an iOS app I can run on my iPhone/iPad. Right now I have a MacBook Pro that I use, but later I will get a Mac Mini which will be in the listening room, thus taking my office computer out of the equation completely. At that point I want to stream audio -- via UPnP -- from the Mini in my listening room to the system in my office. I may have to give in and get the Stream Magic 6 or something similar.

In any case, I'm going to pass on the Logitech. I don't want to throw money at a device that's obsolete before I even order it.
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

CD, perhaps you misunderstood, I agree with Art, I'm talking about $150,000 turntables, not Dynaudio speakers which I find to be a great value.
Rob

Alright; perhaps I misunderstood, as you said.

Admittedly, I haven't read the article; but I'm not sure Art (or you) are exactly out on a limb there. After all; who's for $150,000 turntables. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Alright; perhaps I misunderstood, as you said.
Admittedly, I haven't read the article; but I'm not sure Art (or you) are exactly out on a limb there. After all; who's for $150,000 turntables. rolleyes.gif

Well, I'll take one... wink.gif

Actually I think the article is spot on. It actually points the finger more at the audio jewellery type of product, status symbol if you like. Like roboroni IMO Dynaudio fit in with a group of what I'd term high-value products.
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I'll go on record to say I am OK with some of of those $150K turntables, etc. Not because I would want to buy one, but the development of them is good for products down the line and rooted in reality price-wise. I see it like motor-racing, where companies develop and race $5M cars, but we get the benfit through better technology that comes down from it into road going cars.

Clearaudio has a $160K turntable, the "Statement." I have their $5K turntable, the "Ovation" but it has some of the technology that was developed to create the Statement. But I do agree there is a lot of silly expensive gear that doesn"t fall into the category of creating technology that trickles down into consumer products.

I'm sure some will disagree with me, but that's my two cents on the subject.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I'll go on record to say I am OK with some of of those $150K turntables, etc. Not because I would want to buy one, but the development of them is good for products down the line and rooted in reality price-wise. I see it like motor-racing, where companies develop and race $5M cars, but we get the benfit through better technology that comes down from it into road going cars.
Clearaudio has a $160K turntable, the "Statement." I have their $5K turntable, the "Ovation" but it has some of the technology that was developed to create the Statement. But I do agree there is a lot of silly expensive gear that doesn"t fall into the category of creating technology that trickles down into consumer products.
I'm sure some will disagree with me, but that's my two cents on the subject.

Dean we all benefit from Dynaudio's hi end stuff but I wonder by how much? How worse would Contours be if they didn't develop the Evidence? I won't buy cables costing 4 digits when I can buy Nelson Pass's amp for 5k or like Art says CJ for $3700.00.

I think some companies make Evidence speakers to show their technology off and that they can do it, it almost gives credence to lower priced products in the line. That's fine but I'm not sure that
s what's happening in audio. There's a lot of bad info out there and you can have companies like Mapleshade selling expensive stands for raising cables off the floor for 'better' sound. I drilled them on it and asked for the technical proof that the stands actually show a difference. All I got was,"we can hear it". Well I challenge anyone here to raise their cables off the floor and tell me, using a blind test , which cables are off the floor and which aren't! The same with audio cables, ok indulge yourself but 4 digit cables? That's a hole in the floor where you throw your money in if you ask me!

Rob
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I'll go on record to say I am OK with some of of those $150K turntables, etc. Not because I would want to buy one, but the development of them is good for products down the line and rooted in reality price-wise. I see it like motor-racing, where companies develop and race $5M cars, but we get the benfit through better technology that comes down from it into road going cars.
Clearaudio has a $160K turntable, the "Statement." I have their $5K turntable, the "Ovation" but it has some of the technology that was developed to create the Statement. But I do agree there is a lot of silly expensive gear that doesn"t fall into the category of creating technology that trickles down into consumer products.
I'm sure some will disagree with me, but that's my two cents on the subject.
Hey Dean I agree 100% smile.gif And thanks for reminding me of the only way I have seen trickle down work biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Dean we all benefit from Dynaudio's hi end stuff but I wonder by how much? How worse would Contours be if they didn't develop the Evidence? I won't buy cables costing 4 digits when I can buy Nelson Pass's amp for 5k or like Art says CJ for $3700.00.
I think some companies make Evidence speakers to show their technology off and that they can do it, it almost gives credence to lower priced products in the line. That's fine but I'm not sure thats what's happening in audio. There's a lot of bad info out there and you can have companies like Mapleshade selling expensive stands for raising cables off the floor for 'better' sound. I drilled them on it and asked for the technical proof that the stands actually show a difference. All I got was,"we can hear it". Well I challenge anyone here to raise their cables off the floor and tell me, using a blind test , which cables are off the floor and which aren't! The same with audio cables, ok indulge yourself but 4 digit cables? That's a hole in the floor where you throw your money in if you ask me!
Rob

I think our Dynaudio speakers sound so great because Dynaudio spared no expense to design, engineer, and build things like the Temptations and Consequences. We get things like the superior cabinet bracing, Esotec and Esotar2 drivers, crossovers, cabinetry finsih, etc. I think if they didn't go through the exercise of doing their top end and learning how to be awesome, then what we have down here at the Excite, Focus, Contour, and Confidence lines would be very different and not as good.

I do agree with you there is a lot of silly and bad audio going on. I do think, however, that Dynaudio, Naim, Clearaudio, and others are good guys in this and their super high end stuff is the result of R&D that drives the development of the lower lines we own. I don't really care much for companies that develop only at the high end, and provide no benefit other than as toys to the super rich. I think Boulder is one of these. I've heard their stuff and it sounds great, but they aren't interested in those of us living in the real world, so there is no benefit like there is with Dynaudio, Naim, Clearaudio, et al.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I think our Dynaudio speakers sound so great because Dynaudio spared no expense to design, engineer, and build things like the Temptations and Consequences. ?.......I don't really care much for companies that develop only at the high end, and provide no benefit other than as toys to the super rich. I think Boulder is one of these. I've heard their stuff and it sounds great, but they aren't interested in those of us living in the real world, so there is no benefit like there is with Dynaudio, Naim, Clearaudio, et al.

I agree same with B&W, KEF, Paradigm there technology trickle down so the mortals can afford it biggrin.gif
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I do appreciate the fact that the flagship from Dynaudio is $100,000, KEF is $160,000, Harman (JBL/ Revel) is $70,000, Focal is $190,000, TAD is $60,000, B&W is 60,000.

Yes, sir. Trickle down. biggrin.gif
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I'd like to know the percentages of people buying hi price stuff. is it the infamous 1% ? I aways have this little cartoon in my head that when a $150k component sells an alarm goes off in the plant and everyone starts sipping champagne and then takes a week off! When you buy a ML top of the line amp does Mark call you for achat? Actually the company under new management.

Rob
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

I'd like to know the percentages of people buying hi price stuff. is it the infamous 1% ? I aways have this little cartoon in my head that when a $150k component sells an alarm goes off in the plant and everyone starts sipping champagne and then takes a week off! When you buy a ML top of the line amp does Mark call you for achat? Actually the company under new management.
Rob
or not...

When Volkswagon sells a Bugatti Veyron for $1.6M they lose money on it. They developed the car to learn how to do certain things, create new tech for future consumer products and to understand how exotic materials work and integrate. This is all stuff they expect to pay out in the long run by giving them a technological and knowledge edge over the competition. Not to mention it generates a lot of buzz and excitement about the brand, which is good advertising.
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or not...
When Volkswagon sells a Bugatti Veyron for $1.6M they lose money on it. They developed the car to learn how to do certain things, create new tech for future consumer products and to understand how exotic materials work and integrate. This is all stuff they expect to pay out in the long run by giving them a technological and knowledge edge over the competition. Not to mention it generates a lot of buzz and excitement about the brand, which is good advertising.

Yes, I know all this, we gained a lot of really good info from the space program. I worked on the first top secret computers back in the late 60's. They were banks of neon lamps that would move along the computer as instructions moved through the CPU. Quite comical really! but they impressed the brass. Then the space program kicked in and things got better, really better! How many of you own HP calculators from back then? My 11C RPN died after 25 years and I beat it to death in my machine shop for the last 15. NASA used a lot of HP and Tektronix stuff. Anyway the technology from the space program gave those companies a big boost, look a the stuff today.

A little off topic but do you know what the greatest invention/discovery of the 20th century was? Not atomic energy, not Tesla's AC motor.... drum roll, the transistor. Think abouthow that invention changed the world. Computers, communication, PV panels, etc, etc.

The trouble is technology didn't change how we treat each other it only enabled us to make bigger bombs. Maybe we would have been better of if we learned that first but then I don't know we ever will!
Rob
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Yes, I know all this, we gained a lot of really good info from the space program. I worked on the first top secret computers back in the late 60's. They were banks of neon lamps that would move along the computer as instructions moved through the CPU. Quite comical really! but they impressed the brass. Then the space program kicked in and things got better, really better! How many of you own HP calculators from back then? My 11C RPN died after 25 years and I beat it to death in my machine shop for the last 15. NASA used a lot of HP and Tektronix stuff. Anyway the technology from the space program gave those companies a big boost, look a the stuff today.
A little off topic but do you know what the greatest invention/discovery of the 20th century was? Not atomic energy, not Tesla's AC motor.... drum roll, the transistor. Think abouthow that invention changed the world. Computers, communication, PV panels, etc, etc.
The trouble is technology didn't change how we treat each other it only enabled us to make bigger bombs. Maybe we would have been better of if we learned that first but then I don't know we ever will!
Rob

You lost me there. smile.gif We went from mega buck turntables to bombs. confused.gif
Edited by RaceTripper - 10/6/12 at 4:15pm
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