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post #17521 of 21604
^^^ Thanks for the feedback guys. A Naim is on my must-try list. I've always thought 5i-2, just to get my feet wet. After all...and I know the power numbers probably tell almost none of the story with Naim...isn't the XS like twice the price, to go from 50wpc to 60 (8ohm rated power)? The 5i-2 claims to hit 500wpc in bursts, into 1ohm; how much more amp do you need, lol. But a quick Google, finds almost all XS owners saying they auditioned both and have NO regrets about the extra bread. As for Octave; beautiful...but costly. I'm just not looking to drop that kind of coin...especially in my effort to "down-size", and make things less about the gear.

I'd really like to get the resident glass-heads take on PrimaLuna. It's inexpensive, and "common"; so I say this with all seriousness...I know right there, it has 2 strikes against it from certain types who think that can't possibly make for a good piece of kit. I've always heard it was a bit "dark"; of course, I've heard that about Arcam, and even Dynaudios...so I'm starting to take that with a grain of salt, and think that maybe those folks like diamond-tweeters, and a sound I would consider "bright". So when they say "dark", I might say "smooth" and find that gear to be fine, lol.

And talk about tube flexibility; and for the record, I don't know why ALL tube kit isn't like this...it seems all PL gear allows you to use KT88s, 6550, KT90, EL-34, KT77, 6CA7, 6L6GC, KT66, 7581, EL37, and any of their equivalents (and I would think, it would make sense to buy the models built for KT88s...like the Five...so you at least get the upgraded parts, and can wring the most from 88s, 90s (and even 120s?) if you choose to go that direction. FWIW, a PL seller suggested warm tube amp, with already warm Harbeths...might be awfully cozy, lol; but I'm pretty intrigued.

Not to say a PL would land and stay; I have a healthy list of smaller IAs I'm curious about (and again...the right Naim is a must at some point). But is one worth a try? I don't hear it come up much in here, so I'm expecting some dubious feedback. eek.gif
post #17522 of 21604
On the used market the Nait XS tends to run about $600 more than the 5i, but it also comes up much more frequently. I don't see a lot of Nat 5i for sale. I guess people don't buy them as much.

The Nait XS is very upgradable (PSU, amp). The 5i is not. IMHO, the Nait XS is a big bang for the buck.
post #17523 of 21604
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

On the used market the Nait XS tends to run about $600 more than the 5i, but it also comes up much more frequently. I don't see a lot of Nat 5i for sale. I guess people don't buy them as much.
The Nait XS is very upgradable (PSU, amp). The 5i is not. IMHO, the Nait XS is a big bang for the buck.

I don't think there's one out there now Dean; what can I expect to pay for an XS used? (you can PM me if need be)
post #17524 of 21604
I have the nait 5i-2 with my new focus 160s, and the nait is great, handles the 160s with ease. I was all worried after reading the naim forum, where I see dean posts from time to time, however all those naim forum visitors were saying the 5i isn't enough for the 140/160s, On the contrary, the 5i is awesome with the 160s and I've never been happier.
post #17525 of 21604
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Yes, I am aware that it's a far cry from actually listening to them in person, but it's still helpful.
what?1 helpful how?
post #17526 of 21604
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I have the nait 5i-2 with my new focus 160s, and the nait is great, handles the 160s with ease. I was all worried after reading the naim forum, where I see dean posts from time to time, however all those naim forum visitors were saying the 5i isn't enough for the 140/160s, On the contrary, the 5i is awesome with the 160s and I've never been happier.

You have to take a bunch of what is said on the Naim forum with a grain of salt. With half those guys the sky will fall if you don't run with the $1000 Naim power cords and expensive Naim Frame equipment stands. The 5i is a great integrated, but if buying used I think the Nait XS is more special to aim for.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I don't think there's one out there now Dean; what can I expect to pay for an XS used? (you can PM me if need be)
Roughly $1000 lower than retail.
post #17527 of 21604
So...with the Listening Room cum Den "done", but not really "completed"; I got impatient, and wanted to move the smaller system into its new home. With the "big" rig still sitting dormant...I decided a franken-system was in order. Whereas I was running a Squeezebox Duet Receiver, straight into the Brio-R (yes, so that means using its internal DAC)...I decided to give my source a significant upgrade, by hooking up the SBT (w/ CI Audio VDC-SB high-current power-supply), and running it through the W4S DAC-2. That fed the Brio-R (I toyed with the idea of running the ET-3 and McCormack DNA-225 to the Harbeths...but I'm not sure it's built for that kind of power, lol); and just for good measure, I gave the Brio-R one of my Shunyata PCs.

WoW...do the Harbeths sound great in their new home. I'll give the upgraded source some of the credit (and the Shunyata on the Brio-R like 1% of 1% of 1%, lol); but mostly, I'm sure, it was just a matter of giving the P-3s some room to breathe. They're such a diminutive speaker (honestly...they're a foot tall)...you just assume they're made for near-field listening. And while they sounded fine (you know what I mean..."fine" as in GREAT) that way...I had nothing to compare to, or way of knowing how much better they'd sound from a "normal" listening position.

Of course I started off with a loaded deck; Adele happens to begin with an A...and her 19 made the P-3s just drip with rich, lush female vocal midrange. Similarly...down the alphabet a ways, Melody Gardot's The Absence was equally beautiful. With female vocals like this, the Harbeths (and if you'll indulge me this temporary distraction, with the Habeths in the Dynaudio thread...I promise I'll bring it full circle, and talk about our guys again, lol) just seem to resonate from the entire cabinet. Since the sound feels as if it's just emanating from the box, you lose the localization of a driver...and the speaker really disappears into air.

However...and this is where B4 has it right; the Harbeth isn't right for everyone, or certainly...for all genres of music. A quick sampling of Animal Collective, or Dirty Projectors...found the complex, Indie rhythms too much for the P-3s; they sounded flat and "congested". But it's not as simple as vocals good, rock bad. For example, I was disappointed with some intimate, male vocals...like Ryan Adams' My Blue Manhattan; but pleasantly surprised by a track like Sparklehorse's Pig...which didn't exactly rock BIG, like with the C1s...but did giddy-up enough to be plausible.

Man, it is almost like I need 2 pairs of speakers: the Harbeths, to ooze female vocals and jazz-y such and such...and let's see; do we know of any "mini-monitors" that Rock? I'm thinking X12s! And a quality IA...with an A/B switch wink.gif
post #17528 of 21604
Sorry guys. I made a mistake.
Edited by sparks81 - 10/31/12 at 11:40pm
post #17529 of 21604
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post

Quick question for the experts: Any thoughts on the weight loss of the Focus 160 as compared to the 140? The 160 is 2 lbs lighter with the same exterior dimensions. I'm concerned that Dynaudio may have trimmed costs out of this speaker while raising the price.
I should say that I've already ordered some 160's through my local dealer based on positive feedback here and elsewhere. No audition was available as they don't carry the Focus line. I was already aware of the weight reduction and chose to overlook it at the time, but the thought keeps coming back.

Rimbaud, Congrats on your recent Dynaudio purchase. It sounds like we are in the same part of the state. Feel free to PM me. Perhaps we can compare notes. What type of electronics are you using?

sparks81
post #17530 of 21604
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Dynero, while we're on the subject...what's your take on Merlins? I know they have a cult-like following...and all that external network guff (AC BAM, RC Network, etc). Usually there's a reason something has a devoted following.

I didn't try the Merlin VSM but the TSM, the little Merlin, so no network, I liked them a lot, it was revealing and had a different "texture" to the music than the Dynes. They imaged extremely well and were very musical but I decided against them in favor of the c1. I let them go because I felt the bass was deep enough but lacked impact ( it was a sealed box enclosure ) and I didn't like how they sounded with movies, they sounded tinny and more like built in speakers rather than audiophile fare. They also didn't give me the sense that they could be played loudly.
post #17531 of 21604
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

I'm assuming you know that Merlins don't use Dynaudio drivers but Morel ones. the relationship between Morel (Israel and USA) and Dynaudio has a few touches of soap opera smile.gif

They use the esotar tweeter in the VSM, the TSM has all Morel drivers. What touches of soap opera? biggrin.gif
post #17532 of 21604
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

it is almost like I need 2 pairs of speakers: the Harbeths, to ooze female vocals and jazz-y such and such...and let's see; do we know of any "mini-monitors" that Rock? I'm thinking X12s! And a quality IA...with an A/B switch wink.gif

You need this http://www.taelektroakustik.de/index.php?id=140&L=1

Not a bad idea, I've got the T+A Power amp version of this and it has A/B outputs, curious vestigial artifact but potentially a lot of fun if I get Special 25's:) You switched to Harbeth? Or a second system?
post #17533 of 21604
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

They use the esotar tweeter in the VSM, the TSM has all Morel drivers. What touches of soap opera? biggrin.gif
well I've seen some on-line discussions where Morel USA and Israel reps participated. if I were to make a summary, it went along the lines "you're liars"/"no, you're liars" eek.gif

I've once listened to the Octave (made by Morel Israel) speakers. nice sound but it was a long time ago (~8 years), too distant to give more detailed impressions.
post #17534 of 21604
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

However...and this is where B4 has it right; the Harbeth isn't right for everyone, or certainly...for all genres of music. A quick sampling of Animal Collective, or Dirty Projectors...found the complex, Indie rhythms too much for the P-3s; they sounded flat and "congested". But it's not as simple as vocals good, rock bad. For example, I was disappointed with some intimate, male vocals...like Ryan Adams' My Blue Manhattan; but pleasantly surprised by a track like Sparklehorse's Pig...which didn't exactly rock BIG, like with the C1s...but did giddy-up enough to be plausible.
Man, it is almost like I need 2 pairs of speakers: the Harbeths, to ooze female vocals and jazz-y such and such...and let's see; do we know of any "mini-monitors" that Rock? I'm thinking X12s! And a quality IA...with an A/B switch wink.gif

Actually its good to have a few pairs of speakers (that are different) because we WILL eventually get bored after a while no matter how good a speaker is. You swap over for two weeks then go back to the first pair and they will sound fantastic again. biggrin.gif

Alan Shaw insists that his speakers are immune to amplifiers. I must say I was sceptical but have also not bothered too much to prove either way. To answer your question from above, my P3s are playing with a Japanese integrated - Leben C300XS. Only 15w...

If you want to franken your SB, have you tried a reclocker like the audiophilleo or empirical audio's synchro mesh?

I really shouldnt spoil this for you but do you not find Adele's voice very scratchy? Gives me the shivers! Eeeeuuu. Hehe.

One more thing, The C1s are actually very good for near field listening. And they still image pretty damn well sitting wide apart. Try them in the study instead and see what you think. The only issue is you may not be able to play too loud in a smallish room but they will give you plenty satisfaction at lower volumes since you will get lots of dynamics AND bass... Perfect for listening whilst working.
post #17535 of 21604
unfortunately the original link containing the complete discussion is now dead, but it is quoted on a few other forums (for instance http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/off-topic/34727-morel-dynaudio-connection.html:

To all of you who follow this discussion,


Let me start by saying that I was sorry to read Mr. Shabani’s letter. Without getting into too much detail, his letter distorts the events that took place and the history of our association, which was best, described as a manufacturer - distributor relationship. Mr. Shabani was never involved in Morel’s operations; he was only a distributor- nothing else.

Meir Mordechai, a well-respected person in hi-fi circles in Israel, has founded Morel in 1975 to design and produce speakers. In 1977, the Morel name and logo were registered in Israel. Since 1977, Mr. Mordechai registered the morel name and logo in various countries around the world. On May 2nd, 1988, the logo and name were registered in the US. Since its commencement until today, Morel has always developed its own drivers and products without any external assistance, especially not the help of Mr. Shabani.

In the mid 1980’s, Morel has opened an additional factory in the UK. This move was made to deal with the harsh trade laws and practices of the European Community that hindered any export into Europe. When Israel became a member of the EC trade agreements and trade laws were changed, the Israeli and the UK facilities were unified into one manufacturing facility in Israel in the mid 1990’s. We have kept all of our customers satisfied and made sure that all of Morel’s obligations will be fulfilled during this transitional period.

Very respected companies in the car and home audio industry used Morel’s drivers. Xtant, DLS, MAROM, Phoenix Gold, Eggelestone works, Rega, Ruark, Quested, HHB and others enjoyed the technological innovation and sound quality that our drivers offer.

The only reason I posted my comments on this topic, which began by someone who was confused as to the two companies, is to clarify the differences. People should know that Morel is not morel acoustic usa. The usage of our logo and name after we ended our business relations created a confusing situation to a lot of people that had to be informed of the difference between the two companies. I am not sure of what Mr. Shabani and his company market today, and as long as it does not have our logo on it and name I wish him all the best. Morel’s interest and goal has always been to produce the best possible products and we will keep on doing that.
I hope that these exchanges achieved one thing – to inform the readers of this forum that Morel has no relations to Morel Acoustics usa.

Before I sign off, the connection between Morel and Dynaudio that keeps coming up in these exchanges goes back to a company by the name of RMS. In the end of the 1970’s, Morel has established within its existing manufacturing facility the company RMS with two partners- Richter and Scunning. The name RMS contains the first letter of each name. Morel held 50% of RMS, while the other held the other 50%. RMS has developed and manufactured raw drivers. After two years, Morel has bought out Richter and Scunning’s shares which dissolved this partnership. Shortly after, Richter and Scunning established Dynaudio.
Nir
post #17536 of 21604
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

You need this http://www.taelektroakustik.de/index.php?id=140&L=1
Not a bad idea, I've got the T+A Power amp version of this and it has A/B outputs, curious vestigial artifact but potentially a lot of fun if I get Special 25's:) You switched to Harbeth? Or a second system?

Dynero, I'm down-sizing...and trying to live with the "second" system (built around P-3ESR SEs) being my only system. http://www.avsforum.com/t/686371/dynaudio-owners-thread/17430#post_22532087

Not abandoning Dynaudio though; might need a pair of X12/16s, or Focus 160s in my life too. wink.gif
post #17537 of 21604
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Originally Posted by b4sound View Post

To answer your question from above, my P3s are playing with a Japanese integrated - Leben C300XS. Only 15w...

Ah, Leben. Only know them by reputation; but oh so audiophile (like Shindo) wink.gif

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I really shouldnt spoil this for you but do you not find Adele's voice very scratchy? Gives me the shivers! Eeeeuuu. Hehe.

Actually, I strongly prefer 19 to 21. I know most fawn over the later, but to me...the recording is over-cooked. But her voice is fine, if not as interesting...to me at least...as some.
post #17538 of 21604
I'm wondering if the Dyna sound is changing slightly with the new Excite and Focus lines. I don't have a reference but I'd like to do an A/B test. I'm hearing people talk about the new Focus differently.

Rob
post #17539 of 21604
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

unfortunately the original link containing the complete discussion is now dead, but it is quoted on a few other forums (for instance http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/off-topic/34727-morel-dynaudio-connection.html:
To all of you who follow this discussion,
Nir

Thanks, I never knew that biggrin.gif Oh those wacky Danes
post #17540 of 21604
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Dynero, I'm down-sizing...and trying to live with the "second" system (built around P-3ESR SEs) being my only system. http://www.avsforum.com/t/686371/dynaudio-owners-thread/17430#post_22532087
Not abandoning Dynaudio though; might need a pair of X12/16s, or Focus 160s in my life too. wink.gif

CD, i think every audio guy goes thru this, we love our preferred sound but we just get bored at times and wonder what else is out there, I went thru this a couple of years ago too, and I think there's no set schedule, and I'll probably go thru it in a couple of years again. I know a couple of guys who were happy for years and suddenly went ape-sh*t and just needed a change.biggrin.gif

Still you could do worse than Harbeth, it's every bit as respected as Dynaudio and I keep hearing good things about your little speaker, I've heard a couple of Harbeths myself, I liked one ( it seemed to be mid-sized ) but was apathetic about the other ( slh5 I think ) and it sounds different enough from Dynaudio that it can give you a nice new introspection with regards to your music.biggrin.gif
post #17541 of 21604
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

I'm wondering if the Dyna sound is changing slightly with the new Excite and Focus lines. I don't have a reference but I'd like to do an A/B test. I'm hearing people talk about the new Focus differently.
Rob

It's more neutral and has an airier feel in the treble is for me the biggest change, just compare the old Audience models with the new Xcite models. The Midrange is less warm, more resolving and the bass is tighter and punchier, less mid bass bloat I feel. All in all a tighter more more controlled sound.

All i know is that the xXcite and Focus lines are ridiculously good value for the price, they sound incredible and are musically very satisfying.
Edited by Dynero - 11/1/12 at 7:05am
post #17542 of 21604
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

CD, i think every audio guy goes thru this, we love our preferred sound but we just get bored at times and wonder what else is out there, I went thru this a couple of years ago too, and I think there's no set schedule, and I'll probably go thru it in a couple of years again. I know a couple of guys who were happy for years and suddenly went ape-sh*t and just needed a change.biggrin.gif
Still you could do worse than Harbeth, it's every bit as respected as Dynaudio and I keep hearing good things about your little speaker, I've heard a couple of Harbeths myself, I liked one ( it seemed to be mid-sized ) but was apathetic about the other ( slh5 I think ) and it sounds different enough from Dynaudio that it can give you a nice new introspection with regards to your music.biggrin.gif

Sure; mid-life crisis of sorts? 7-year itch? wink.gif
post #17543 of 21604
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Sure; mid-life crisis of sorts? 7-year itch? wink.gif

Personally I have always flirted with the idea of having surround speakers from another MFGr, say Totem, Focal, Dali or Monitor Audio that I could move up front when the mood strikes for that change of pace sound. I would love to have 3-4 different speakers that I could change in-&-out at times especially if I could have 2 seperate systems. There are many very good speakers out there and to have several to flip would be ideal. Id love to have an Amphion or Harbeth or other speaker for a change of pace 2-ch setup. I could probably get away with a pair of inexpensive surrounds like those above for now, but I wont be able to get another high-end 2-ch pair for sometime.

I dont think theres anything wrong with it at all. CD, my personally opinion is to keep the C1s and the Harbeths and just enjoy them both.

Im glad my price range/budget keeps me grounded, because if I could soar into the sky with ya'lls budgets, Id be a total f-ing mess!
post #17544 of 21604
Dynero

The x12's are such a good sound to value in my view, and certainly the critics agree. Now the Focus line gets completely redone and I think at the price of the 160's I'd have to spend a lot more to get something equivalent. I haven't done an A/B comparison with the Contours yet but I'd like to really compare them. I'm not saying the Focus is on the same level but I'll bet for the price, although the Contours aren't that much more, they come pretty darn close. That's what I'm hearing from the critics also and Dynaudio is certainly creating a stir around the Focus at shows now too. I'm wondering if we're going to see some revamping of the upper lines now in the same manner that the Focus got a lot more than a face lift. I think another speaker manufacturer would have relabeled the Focus or started a whole new line with all the changes they made to it, It's just not the same speaker!

Rob
post #17545 of 21604
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Now the Focus line gets completely redone and I think at the price of the 160's I'd have to spend a lot more to get something equivalent. I haven't done an A/B comparison with the Contours yet but I'd like to really compare them.
Rob

This to me is the biggest head scratcher from Dynaudio, Focus or Contour? They're priced so closely together yet officially the Contour is higher tiered than the Focus. Methinks the 1.4 has more bass power and will play louder than the Focus 160 but the 160 has a little more refinement across the audio band and is more forgiving than the Contour 1.4. maybe the midrange of the 160 is recessed a db or two?

The 3.4 and Focus 260, again the 3.4 feels like you can crank it up more but the 260 has an airier and fresher sound than the darker yet brasher sounding 3.4. I also feel the 3.4 goes deeper but the 260 is punchier in the mid-bass. The 260 also sounds more open in the mid-band. The 260 I feel is more in the Sapphire/s25 camp. BTW the 3.4 sounded marvellous with tubes, much much better connected to the Mcintosh 275 than the Krell 2250 i had it originally connected to.

5.4 and 380 I haven't really heard much of the 380. I have heard the 360 and I wrote a mini review along these forums before when I compared it to the c4, my general impressions of the 360 were very favourable. The 5.4 I heard in passing and my immediate impression against an AB with the 3.4 was that the 5.4 had much more refinement in the treble and went very deep in the bass.

If I were to downsize I'd get a used c1, 260 or 3.4.
post #17546 of 21604
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Dynero
The x12's are such a good sound to value in my view, and certainly the critics agree. Now the Focus line gets completely redone and I think at the price of the 160's I'd have to spend a lot more to get something equivalent. I haven't done an A/B comparison with the Contours yet but I'd like to really compare them. I'm not saying the Focus is on the same level but I'll bet for the price, although the Contours aren't that much more, they come pretty darn close. That's what I'm hearing from the critics also and Dynaudio is certainly creating a stir around the Focus at shows now too. I'm wondering if we're going to see some revamping of the upper lines now in the same manner that the Focus got a lot more than a face lift. I think another speaker manufacturer would have relabeled the Focus or started a whole new line with all the changes they made to it, It's just not the same speaker!
Rob
I had the X16s and they were certianly fabulous speakers for me over the past 2+ yrs, that said the Focus has really risen the bar and albeit Im going on a week of owning the 160s, these really have given me a feeling Ive never felt with the Excites. I yearn to go home and listen to my music collection, and that wasnt the case with the Excites. Its 9 am and Im thinking about what Im going to play, (Brothers In Arms Latest Trick on vinyl actually), and that didnt occur with the X16s. I watched Insidious last night with the wife, and Black Swan the other day, and the emotional build up from the 160s was intense, things that never happened with the X16s. That said, I was able to choose the 1.4s or the 160s, and preferred the 160s, they really reminded me of the older C1s in many ways tonally. NO ONE freak, Im not saying the 160s are the C1 MKIs or even 85% of them... just similarities that I remember.
post #17547 of 21604
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I would love to have 3-4 different speakers that I could change in-&-out at times especially if I could have 2 seperate systems. !

Same here, add Spendor to your list, I quite liked their sound and the new Egglestonworks Fontaine Signature is definitely worth a listen. The only Focal speaker I like is the Focal Diablo Utopia, I heard the maMgico Q3 recently, very impressive speaker and with great imaging and distinct harmonic textures among the different instruments present, i can safely say that system in it's entirety easily outclassed my own, ( cmon 20k monoblocks and an analog rig? ) night and day? No? More like early evening and late night, I'm happy to note the c4 holds it's own against a speaker at double it's retail price.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Sure; mid-life crisis of sorts? 7-year itch? wink.gif

I'd be happy if the itch came only every seven years wink.gif You know what I'm in the mood to try now, the Special 25 heehee:D
post #17549 of 21604
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

I'd be happy if the itch came only every seven years wink.gif You know what I'm in the mood to try now, the Special 25 heehee:D

Hey; don't look for me to talk you out of it. Every Dyn fan should try them, at least for a little while. wink.gif
post #17550 of 21604
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

This to me is the biggest head scratcher from Dynaudio, Focus or Contour? They're priced so closely together yet officially the Contour is higher tiered than the Focus. Methinks the 1.4 has more bass power and will play louder than the Focus 160 but the 160 has a little more refinement across the audio band and is more forgiving than the Contour 1.4. maybe the midrange of the 160 is recessed a db or two?
The 3.4 and Focus 260, again the 3.4 feels like you can crank it up more but the 260 has an airier and fresher sound than the darker yet brasher sounding 3.4. I also feel the 3.4 goes deeper but the 260 is punchier in the mid-bass. The 260 also sounds more open in the mid-band. The 260 I feel is more in the Sapphire/s25 camp. BTW the 3.4 sounded marvellous with tubes, much much better connected to the Mcintosh 275 than the Krell 2250 i had it originally connected to.
5.4 and 380 I haven't really heard much of the 380. I have heard the 360 and I wrote a mini review along these forums before when I compared it to the c4, my general impressions of the 360 were very favourable. The 5.4 I heard in passing and my immediate impression against an AB with the 3.4 was that the 5.4 had much more refinement in the treble and went very deep in the bass.
If I were to downsize I'd get a used c1, 260 or 3.4.

I'd say that's a pretty good summation.
Rob
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