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post #17611 of 21767
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

stands for Optimal Cryogenic Omni Sound.
joking. it's a connection system used by Dyna in their older speakers, stands for Optimal Connection System. http://ocos-cable.com/
the speakers are Dynaudio Confidence 3 (not C3, big difference, that's a completely different, also older speaker made by Dynaudio Acoustics). out of production as of ~2000: http://www.dynaudio.com/int/home_loudspeaker_systems/archive/confidence/confidence3.php
the OCOS connector is the think in the middle, resembling an antenna input:

OK. Thanks for the explanation.
post #17612 of 21767
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

"Originally Posted by Breako
Back to speakers, one must admit the magic cable stuff is simply a hoot. My blueray player, amp, pre amp and speakers ALL have plain jane copper wire inside them to move the electronic signals with no apparent issues. But man, once I get outside those devices, particularly when making that "treacherous" run from amp to speaker, an adequate gauge copper wire just like the one in my speaker and other components is suddenly no longer sufficient according to the self professed "golden ears", and the marketing hypesters selling this snake oil crapola. Now I suddenly need the magic fairy dust, 300 ply, one gazillion copper, unobtanium, nuclear encased, Kryptonite proof $500/ft cable to move the SAME signal from amp to speaker? And of course by adding that magic speaker cable, the sound then magically transforms itself despite the physical fact that SAME signal feeding into the magic cable originates through basic non magic copper wires in the source components, and terminates in yep, you guessed it, more simple non magic copper wires in the speakers. As Ron White would say, "Can't fix stupid.".
I agree with this, where's his Dynaudio denigration? Again, in a double bind test I want someone to pick the high cost cables 85% of the time, I'll give them the 15% error rate.

Rob, please read my statement again, this post Breako layed-off Dynaudio and went after accessories, BUT in previous posts he went after Dynaudio. You may agree with his statements and apparently your in your own little battle royale right now but my point is in the above statement, he just launched into a soapbox rant against 6moons with absolutely no connection to Dynaudio.

My point is Breako likes to stir things up with his posts, the last couple of posts people didn't bite with his Dynaudio bashing, but he got a bunch of bites now haha. Somewhere Breako is smiling biggrin.gif
post #17613 of 21767
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

In fact I'll bet in a double blind test no one here can tell the difference between good old copper speaker cables and high cost, specially wound, silver cables. Would you like to take that bet?Rob

Nobody can pass a double blind test for cables, amps, preamps, cd players, streamers, turntables, or anything else in the chain other than speakers. So I highly recommend hooking your speakers up to something like this (anything else is for suckers!)

post #17614 of 21767
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

How is the review supposed to go: Uh, this amp is good. I listened to some music. Man...did it sound good. wink.gif

They used to have a magazine like that. It was called StereoReview. All they did was measure the amp and discuss it's features. No comment on sound quality. And guess what, it was boring. And pretty worthless really.
post #17615 of 21767
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Nobody can pass a double blind test for cables, amps, preamps, cd players, streamers, turntables, or anything else in the chain other than speakers. So I highly recommend hooking your speakers up to something like this (anything else is for suckers!)
I tend to agree about the (partial) non-relevance of blind tests. the way I see it, when searching hard for differences the brain enters a modified state that prevents from actually hearing them. and aside from that, one will focus on the aspects of sound where one thinks differences might be found. I think that the relevance of a certain difference needs to be weighed too. I my (not so humble this time) opinion if a difference is only a difference, not adding or subtracting from the musical enjoyment, it's pointless to dwell on it.

but up to a point the differences can be easily identifiable. and let's be honest, if we consider ourselves audiophiles we should know where to look when evaluating sound. if I find a hard time telling a 50k amp from a 1k one, it's a no brainer for me. and if someone told me that things like sound stage width and depth, imaging, texture, presence, detail, overall musicality are not easily differentiable I'd tell him to spend his money on some other hobby smile.gif

IMO one of the most important things when evaluating a system is long-term fatigue. once the let's call them technical aspects of sound (imaging, detail etc) have been determined and are satisfactory what remains and matters even more is lack of fatigue and sheer musicality.
post #17616 of 21767
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post


IMO one of the most important things when evaluating a system is long-term fatigue. once the let's call them technical aspects of sound (imaging, detail etc) have been determined and are satisfactory what remains and matters even more is lack of fatigue and sheer musicality.

I'd say that's my bench mark too. If I tire listening to a system I start looking further.

As far as Breako, if he wants to get into a technical 'chat' about speakers, electronics, Fast Fourier Transforms or whatever, I'm more than happy to entertain him. As for Dynaudio, I think it is very high on the 'honest' scale. It defines what's important to create the "Dynaudio Sound" and I happen to like that sound. I've been around audio a long time , I built my own stereo back in the 60's when I was a kid working at TV Radio repair shops. I got the first AR 3 speakers and still have them, by the way. Now all this doesn't mean that I have great ears but I would say that I'm very definitive about what I like in sound and I know how to design an amplifier to get it. Apparently my readers like my designs too as my editor just told me how popular my designs are. Dynaudio's remind of the old school thinking that guys like David Hafler and Roy Allison had. You could call up Allison Acoustics and talk to Roy and I did!

Now, there certainly people who don't like the Dynaudio sound, I have a list as long as my arm of speakers that get great reviews that I think stink. I could name names but just let me say that when a company owner bills himself as a 'genius' I usually walk the other way!

As for Julian Hirsch, regardless what you may think of Stereo Review, he was a top shelf guy and no dope. Frankly I'm tired of reading article after article in "Stereophile" that starts with great accolades, it smacks of pay-off to me. I wish they'd just give me the facts sans the raves. I'm not saying an author can't say he likes a component but get real. JA isn't bad but ST has lost all credibility to me.... completely, the man embarrasses himself in every column.

Rob
post #17617 of 21767
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

They used to have a magazine like that. It was called StereoReview. All they did was measure the amp and discuss it's features. No comment on sound quality. And guess what, it was boring. And pretty worthless really.

As opposed to Stereophile where they tell you what you like. I think that's exciting.... if you're a bull with a ring through your nose.

It fits the American mind, we just had a major storm and what did people do? The flooded the stores. Why? Because they have been molded to do that. Get sick, take this drug.... for the rest of your life. By gas, get really hooked on it so a corporation can bilk you the rest of your life. Want to know what the best components are, Stereophile gives a complete list and even grades it for you. Talk about the lemmings running into the sea!

Read about a guy named Edward Bernays.

Rob
post #17618 of 21767
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

You have a reading comprehension problem, this is the second time you've misread my statements.

If you insult me like this again, you'll have a TOS problem my friend. I don't seem to misunderstand anyone else's posts; so...take a look in the mirror.
post #17619 of 21767
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

If you insult me like this again, you'll have a TOS problem my friend. I don't seem to misunderstand anyone else's posts; so...take a look in the mirror.

I'm not reading your interpretation of anyone else's posts so I don't know if you're missing their perspectives . What I do know is that twice you have completely misunderstood what I wrote. The first time I also brought it to your attention. OK you don't have a reading comprehension problem What is your problem? You tell me? I'm not trying to insult you, if you don't have a problem than why did you misinterpret my posts. and go off on a tangent.. twice?

Rob

And I didn't insult you, I made an observation, ad hominem attacks are insults.
Edited by robaroni - 11/5/12 at 3:11pm
post #17620 of 21767
let's cool it guys and get back to Dynaudio talk. sooner or later someone will hit the "report" button if this goes on.
post #17621 of 21767
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Ah; like JL Audio! biggrin.gif
It's too bad they don't make a little 8" Fathom; that would be kick-ass. But...like 3 years back, my dealer told me JLA was going to make a "budget" line. I was pretty psyched, 'cuz I thought if it's 90% of the performance, for like 50% of the bread...I'd gladly switch-out and clean up. I don't know what happened to it; for a while there, I kept checking...and checking...and checking. Finally, I kind of forgot about it; but a Google did yield this press release http://www.jlaudio.com/header/News/Press+Releases/JL+Audio+E-Sub+Powered+Home+Subwoofers%3A+Precision+Built+in+the+U.S.A./885899
IDK...that E-110 looks pretty sweet to me; and at $1300, it would be a damn-sight cheaper than the F-110 at $2400. But where the hell is it already? I mean seriously; my dealer has had it rumored for years...and even this release is dated 1/2012 (from CES). I have yet to see it materialize! rolleyes.gif

Also check out the Velo DD-10+. I called some local dealers and there are some crazy good deals to be had on it. I am talking less then two grand!
post #17622 of 21767
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

let's cool it guys and get back to Dynaudio talk. sooner or later someone will hit the "report" button if this goes on.

Good idea!

CD, pax vobiscum,

I'll accept my culpability here but please read my posts more carefully before you respond.

Rob
post #17623 of 21767
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

They used to have a magazine like that. It was called StereoReview. All they did was measure the amp and discuss it's features. No comment on sound quality. And guess what, it was boring. And pretty worthless really.

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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

As opposed to Stereophile where they tell you what you like. I think that's exciting.... if you're a bull with a ring through your nose....

Well, I think my decision to stop subscribing and reading these rags 20+ years ago was a really good one. In the mid-80s I worked for a Linn/Naim dealer and he encouraged me to ignore such journalism and seek out on my own.

He in turn learned from me that blind tests are pretty worthless. At first he'd make me a subject of arbitrary tests, and I would get so stressed out about it I "got it wrong" all the time. He learned that if he gave me something to take home and enjoy over the weekend he got much more useful information. The problem is if you know you are a test subject, that induces some amount of stress and you are in an unnatural state for what you are testing. The only way a double blind test can possibly work is if the subject of the test doesn't know it's a test, sort of a triple blind test as it were.
post #17624 of 21767
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Good idea!
CD, pax vobiscum,
I'll accept my culpability here but please read my posts more carefully before you respond.
Rob

Dude, all it takes is copy and paste, to make my point...

Robaroni says...
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

...my Confidences seem to use the most basic internal cabling but all caps are good quality, the inductors are core-less, the walls are VERY thick, use lots of internal bracing and bitumen sheets. geez, somehow those Danes managed to fool me biggrin.gif

I understand, overall, you're pro-Dyn; so all I say is...
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I believe Dyn uses their OCOS cable inside...it's supposed to be very good cable (even if it looks "basic")

Then you flip-out with this...
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

There was a guy about 30 or so years ago named Julian Hirsch, he wrote for Stereo Review. Anyway he actually was an EE and he went about testing speaker cables. Guys buying 1000 buck cables don't want to know what he said.
I use decent cables, actually my monoblocks are about a foot away from my speakers. I 'd like to do a blind test with some of the expensive cables out there because I can't measure or hear the difference, and I have some sophisticated equipment here. ( I can measure nanoamps.) Once you get over a certain size cable things pretty much even out so save your money for good speakers, amps, etc. Get decent cables but don't buy the hype. These guys are in business to sell stuff, so they feed free equipment to the editors of magazines and bingo they get great reviews!
"How much better does my stuff sound now that I took you out to dinner and provided some 'late night entertainment'?"
"Oh it sounds really teriffic! Can I get more dinner and 'late night entertainment' tomorrow? I'll bet your stuff sounds even wetter then! I mean better! Did I say wetter?"
Don't believe these guys
. You saw the inside of a top speaker, just good science.
Rob

Maybe I do have a reading comprehension problem; because I don't know what the hell you're carrying on about. All I said...and you're welcome to go back in the thread and look; it's all there in black and white. ALL I said was "I believe Dyn uses their OCOS cable inside their speakers" rolleyes.gif

I don't appreciate it, when a member thinks because he's misunderstood...somehow it's the fault of the reader. To say someone has a reading comprehension problem, is a real insult. I have a Masters degree pal, and a decent grip on the English language; maybe you can't write worth a damn? So, you can either apologize or drop it.
Edited by CDLehner - 11/5/12 at 3:59pm
post #17625 of 21767
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Dude, all it takes is copy and paste, to make my point...
Robaroni says...
I understand, overall, you're pro-Dyn; so all I say is...
Then you flip-out with this...
Maybe I do have a reading comprehension problem; because I don't know what the hell you're carrying on about. All I said...and you're welcome to go back in the thread and look; it's all there in black and white. ALL I said was "I believe Dyn uses their OCOS cable inside their speakers" rolleyes.gif
I don't appreciate it, when a member thinks because he's misunderstood...somehow it's the fault of the reader. To say someone has a reading comprehension problem, is a real insult. I have a Masters degree pal, and a decent grip on the English language; maybe you can't write worth a damn? So, you can either apologize or drop it.

First, I wasn't talking about the wire in Dynaudio speakers! I was talking about the voodoo in the wire that runs to the speaker! That's probably why you didn't know what I was talking about, it didn't pertain to your post!!

This is what I said about Dynaudio speakers:

"Don't believe these guys. You saw the inside of a top speaker, just good science".

Your comment about the wire in Dynaudio speakers had nothing to do with my statement, in fact I wasn't even citing your post in my comment!

Get it now!

I could say some interesting things here but for the sake of community cohesiveness I'll refrain.

Rob
post #17626 of 21767
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post


First, I wasn't talking about the wire in Dynaudio speakers! I was talking about the voodoo in the wire that runs to the speaker! That's probably why you didn't know what I was talking about, it didn't pertain to your post!!
This is what I said about Dynaudio speakers:
"Don't believe these guys. You saw the inside of a top speaker, just good science".
Your comment about the wire in Dynaudio speakers had nothing to do with my statement, in fact I wasn't even citing your post in my comment!
Get it now!
I could say some interesting things here but for the sake of community cohesiveness I'll refrain.
Rob

Rob, you're quite simply wrong; just flat-out wrong...and that's the long and the short of it. If you look at this post http://www.avsforum.com/t/686371/dynaudio-owners-thread/17580#post_22556904 you quote me, before your rant about cables.

Now...if no one explained to you how forum etiquette works: when you quote someone, you're responding to them. As as I was talking about cables...and then you railed about cables; I'm not sure where it's such a leap, that your diatribe was directed in my general direction. Your posts, IMO...come off preachy. To say something like "don't believe the hype", means "hey...you audio-fools; I'm here to tell you what to believe and not believe".

We're doing fine on our own, thanks. But by all means...I want to hear more about "wetter" gear, and bulls with nose-rings; and how manufactures get good reviews because they provide hookers for reviewers. Wildly entertaining.

As for saying some interesting things; feel free. I'm bullet-proof here, because not everyone likes me; but I'm honest...and I don't insult anyone else. I didn't pick this fight; I'm just not running from it. So go ahead and have your last word, and we'll have to let it go at that...because we are getting into dangerous territory. Otherwise...I'd trade blows with the likes of you, as much as you liked.
post #17627 of 21767
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

maybe you can't write worth a damn? So, you can either apologize or drop it.

I really can't write worth a damn and I DO apologize for it. I blame it on all the pot I smoked in high school. rolleyes.gif I've tried and tried to regrow my brain cells. I've heard wine is good for it, but no matter how much I drink I still can't...ummm....wait, what was I saying???? Damn, happened again!
post #17628 of 21767
Hey Jax
Did you have the S25's in that same room?
Edit I meant the room the Focus are in now.
post #17629 of 21767
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Hey Jax
Did you have the S25's in that same room?
Edit I meant the room the Focus are in now.
He can't remember. He needs more wine and pot to focus on your question. tongue.gif
post #17630 of 21767
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Hey Jax
Did you have the S25's in that same room?
Edit I meant the room the Focus are in now.

Yep, why?
post #17631 of 21767
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

He can't remember. He needs more wine and pot to focus on your question. tongue.gif
Hey it was GW Bushes fault. biggrin.gif No wait I meant Obama. wink.gif Awe gotta blame someone

Wait - Blame Breako - Yeah that's the ticket
post #17632 of 21767
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Yep, why?
Looking at that room the S25's should have sounded great and lively.
post #17633 of 21767
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Looking at that room the S25's should have sounded great and lively.

The S25s are amazing speakers. They did sound great with some material, but with other stuff they were too strident. I tried like 4 different preamps. I changed my cable. I played with toe in and position. I could not make it work. I wish I had tried the NAD M2 with them as I think that might have been the match made in heaven. The M2 is very smooth. Ultimately I'm a bit more of a music lover than audiophile so they had to go. I'd rather have a speaker that makes me love my music even if it's not quite as amazing as the S25 can be.
post #17634 of 21767
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

The S25s are amazing speakers. They did sound great with some material, but with other stuff they were too strident. I tried like 4 different preamps. I changed my cable. I played with toe in and position. I could not make it work. I wish I had tried the NAD M2 with them as I think that might have been the match made in heaven. The M2 is very smooth. Ultimately I'm a bit more of a music lover than audiophile so they had to go. I'd rather have a speaker that makes me love my music even if it's not quite as amazing as the S25 can be.

Well said Jax. For the record, I comprehended your post. wink.gif
post #17635 of 21767
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

The S25s are amazing speakers. They did sound great with some material, but with other stuff they were too strident. I tried like 4 different preamps. I changed my cable. I played with toe in and position. I could not make it work. I wish I had tried the NAD M2 with them as I think that might have been the match made in heaven. The M2 is very smooth. Ultimately I'm a bit more of a music lover than audiophile so they had to go. I'd rather have a speaker that makes me love my music even if it's not quite as amazing as the S25 can be.
That makes perfect sense.
post #17636 of 21767
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Rob, you're quite simply wrong; just flat-out wrong...and that's the long and the short of it. If you look at this post http://www.avsforum.com/t/686371/dynaudio-owners-thread/17580#post_22556904 you quote me, before your rant about cables.
Now...if no one explained to you how forum etiquette works: when you quote someone, you're responding to them. As as I was talking about cables...and then you railed about cables; I'm not sure where it's such a leap, that your diatribe was directed in my general direction. Your posts, IMO...come off preachy. To say something like "don't believe the hype", means "hey...you audio-fools; I'm here to tell you what to believe and not believe".
We're doing fine on our own, thanks. But by all means...I want to hear more about "wetter" gear, and bulls with nose-rings; and how manufactures get good reviews because they provide hookers for reviewers. Wildly entertaining.
As for saying some interesting things; feel free. I'm bullet-proof here, because not everyone likes me; but I'm honest...and I don't insult anyone else. I didn't pick this fight; I'm just not running from it. So go ahead and have your last word, and we'll have to let it go at that...because we are getting into dangerous territory. Otherwise...I'd trade blows with the likes of you, as much as you liked.

Did you read the post? Yes, it was on your post but I wasn't disagreeing with you I was not including the Dynaudio cables in my reference, that's why I said,"You saw the inside of a top speaker, just good science".

Perhaps you confused cables to speakers and the cables inside the Dynaudio speakers.

As far as my humor, if you don't like it ignore it, there's probably a long list of people who will agree with you. Just for the record, I think if you go into comedy you shouldn't give up your day job either. As far education. I've met and had the privilege to work with some truly brilliant people in my life none of them brought up their education. I think it's like the guy who drives the Fiat, he has to go fast to show everyone how great his car is, the guy in the Porsche doesn't have to drive fast, everyone knows he has a fast car.

Now I'm bored, I tried to let this go, can we let it go now or are we going to beat it to death if it's not dead already?

Rob
post #17637 of 21767
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Hey it was GW Bushes fault. biggrin.gif No wait I meant Obama. wink.gif Awe gotta blame someone
Wait - Blame Breako - Yeah that's the ticket
Breako...works for me.
post #17638 of 21767
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Did you read the post? Yes, it was on your post but I wasn't disagreeing with you I was not including the Dynaudio cables in my reference, that's why I said,"You saw the inside of a top speaker, just good science".
Perhaps you confused cables to speakers and the cables inside the Dynaudio speakers.
As far as my humor, if you don't like it ignore it, there's probably a long list of people who will agree with you. Just for the record, I think if you go into comedy you shouldn't give up your day job either. As far education. I've met and had the privilege to work with some truly brilliant people in my life none of them brought up their education. I think it's like the guy who drives the Fiat, he has to go fast to show everyone how great his car is, the guy in the Porsche doesn't have to drive fast, everyone knows he has a fast car.
Now I'm bored, I tried to let this go, can we let it go now or are we going to beat it to death if it's not dead already?
Rob

I'm gonna beat it to death; because you're not letting it go. How many "insults" do you want me to count in this post, lol. I say "insults" because I'm not that thin-skinned; they don't bother me (as opposed to saying I have a reading comprehension problem)...I just don't want you to think that no one notices them.

Let's see; did I read the post, don't quit my day job, truly brilliant people don't bring up their education (for the record...and yet another example of you not getting it, my friend; no one in this thread...where I've posted for years...would have had any idea about my schooling. I've never brought it up, as there's no reason to...until you tried to imply I have a problem, because I...like most...can't follow you).

Again...pretty simple; you say basic cable in Confidence, I say OCOS (and was wrong btw), you say don't listen to cable manufactures; they're crooks. Sure sounds like you're talking to me, when you quote me for your diatribe. Even if you're talking to the group, and it was a side-bar tangent...which I get; no one needs you to be their watch-dog. I said it before; it's insulting.

That's all; this is all the point I need to make. If you don't understand at this juncture, I give.
post #17639 of 21767

Just sealed the deal on some Contour 5.4's and they're shipping today or tomorrow!biggrin.gif

 

These will be integrated into my surround system with the Contour SCX and Focus 110's as surrounds. Currently my processor is the Integra 80.2, while it's great for movies it's somewhat lacking in the two channel analog department. For the last couple of weeks I've been investigating two channel pre amps that have a HTBP feature. Ran across this one yesterday,

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649026442-simaudio_moon_p53_preamp_black_4400_retail_see_photo_/

 

Contacted the dealer and they're willing to take my Paradigm center channel as a trade in towards the pre amp which is a bonus. Sim Audio HQ is only two hours away from me which is another aspect I like, easy to get it serviced if the need arises. The main problem at this point is I've never heard it before. Tried out the C1's that I owned at one point in time with my neighbors Sim IA, while it sound good it just didn't seem to have the power to drive the C1's to their potential. His IA is an entry level model for Sim and isn't a particularly powerful one, it only started to strain at spirited listening levels, which I admit to liking to do at least once a week.

 

Long and short of it is I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this model or a similar one before I take the 6hr round trip drive to check it out and take a listen to it. 

post #17640 of 21767
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

Just sealed the deal on some Contour 5.4's and they're shipping today or tomorrow!biggrin.gif
Sweet! I would love to hear a pair of those.
The Esotar2 tweeters for my S3.4s should arrive today or tomorrow. I look forward to hearing the change.
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