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post #17641 of 19359
11/6/12 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I'm gonna beat it to death; because you're not letting it go. How many "insults" do you want me to count in this post, lol. I say "insults" because I'm not that thin-skinned; they don't bother me (as opposed to saying I have a reading comprehension problem)...I just don't want you to think that no one notices them.
Let's see; did I read the post, don't quit my day job, truly brilliant people don't bring up their education (for the record...and yet another example of you not getting it, my friend; no one in this thread...where I've posted for years...would have had any idea about my schooling. I've never brought it up, as there's no reason to...until you tried to imply I have a problem, because I...like most...can't follow you).
Again...pretty simple; you say basic cable in Confidence, I say OCOS (and was wrong btw), you say don't listen to cable manufactures; they're crooks. Sure sounds like you're talking to me, when you quote me for your diatribe. Even if you're talking to the group, and it was a side-bar tangent...which I get; no one needs you to be their watch-dog. I said it before; it's insulting.
That's all; this is all the point I need to make. If you don't understand at this juncture, I give.

"Did you read my post", is that an insult? No. The reason I asked that question is because I referred to the wiring in Dynaudio's as "just good science." that doesn't''t mean the wiring is low cost, it means that the science that went into the wire is sound ("good science"). You misinterpreted my post.

You raised the issue of my humor, not me and what did I say? I said don't give up your day job either. What does that mean? It means I won't give up my day job to go into comedy and I don't think you should either. Was it an insult, not unless I'm insulting myself in the bargain!

You brought in your education, not me, I only stated that the "truly brilliant" people I have known in my life never needed to bring up their education. If no one here had any idea of your education, they do now, you brought it up. So why did you bring it up now? To support your premise that you have good reading comprehension. My response to that is that it doesn't prove a thing, my analogy was an example of how the guy in the Fiat has to prove he has a great car by going fast. I have a master's degree, therefore I have good reading comprehension.. If you have good reading comprehension it stands on its own, having a degree has nothing to do with it.... excepting in your eyes.

Are you sure you want to keep doing this?

Let it go!

Rob
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post #17642 of 19359
11/6/12 at 6:34am
That's enough you two. You've brought death upon this thread. Take it to PM. mad.gif
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post #17643 of 19359
11/6/12 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

That's enough you two. You've brought death upon this thread. Take it to PM. mad.gif

I agree 100%, I've tried to let it go twice but you're right, I will no longer respond and I apologize to the group.

Rob
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post #17644 of 19359
11/6/12 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

Just sealed the deal on some Contour 5.4's and they're shipping today or tomorrow!biggrin.gif

These will be integrated into my surround system with the Contour SCX and Focus 110's as surrounds. Currently my processor is the Integra 80.2, while it's great for movies it's somewhat lacking in the two channel analog department. For the last couple of weeks I've been investigating two channel pre amps that have a HTBP feature. Ran across this one yesterday,
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649026442-simaudio_moon_p53_preamp_black_4400_retail_see_photo_/

Contacted the dealer and they're willing to take my Paradigm center channel as a trade in towards the pre amp which is a bonus. Sim Audio HQ is only two hours away from me which is another aspect I like, easy to get it serviced if the need arises. The main problem at this point is I've never heard it before. Tried out the C1's that I owned at one point in time with my neighbors Sim IA, while it sound good it just didn't seem to have the power to drive the C1's to their potential. His IA is an entry level model for Sim and isn't a particularly powerful one, it only started to strain at spirited listening levels, which I admit to liking to do at least once a week.

Long and short of it is I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this model or a similar one before I take the 6hr round trip drive to check it out and take a listen to it. 

How did the Entry level Sim IA sound when the volume was at a lower level? If you really enjoyed the sound at a lower volume, then I would think the pre-amp would have a similar sound, but used with your mono-blocks the power that youre looking for when you want to turn the volume up. Perhaps you can take your 110s over to you neighbors house and listen to the Sim IA again and see what you think with that IA running speakers more appropriate for that unit?
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post #17645 of 19359
11/6/12 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

I agree 100%, I've tried to let it go twice but you're right, I will no longer respond and I apologize to the group.
Rob

You're not really part of the forum till you've tangled with CD, right CD?? biggrin.gif, me and CD have had our exchanges too , and fellow forum members we've all had our differences with each other but over time develop real camaraderie wink.gif Peace Rob, and peace Breako haha you started all this wink.gif
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post #17646 of 19359
11/6/12 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

The S25s are amazing speakers. They did sound great with some material, but with other stuff they were too strident. I tried like 4 different preamps. I changed my cable. I played with toe in and position. I could not make it work. I wish I had tried the NAD M2 with them as I think that might have been the match made in heaven. The M2 is very smooth. Ultimately I'm a bit more of a music lover than audiophile so they had to go. I'd rather have a speaker that makes me love my music even if it's not quite as amazing as the S25 can be.
that's how I feel about my Confidence 3's too. with some recordings they sound impressive but with others they are just that, strident. makes me feel I had an equalizer that I'd turn on only on specific songs.
they helped me understand that in the end it's the music that matters most. maybe it's something that can be corrected with the right electronics but who knows.
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post #17647 of 19359
11/6/12 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

that's how I feel about my Confidence 3's too. with some recordings they sound impressive but with others they are just that, strident. makes me feel I had an equalizer that I'd turn on only on specific songs.
they helped me understand that in the end it's the music that matters most. maybe it's something that can be corrected with the right electronics but who knows.

This is interesting because I feel like my S3.4s are pretty dialed in with everything I listen to.

Maybe it's that new-fangled digital and rock stuff you guys play. tongue.gif

I will add that when I play my Naim streamer, I get fatigued after a few hours of play, but it's not the speakers. I can go all day with my turntable and the S3.4s sound great with everything I throw at them (i.e. from my jazz and classical library).
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post #17648 of 19359
11/6/12 at 8:08am
it's true that they sound like that mostly on rock. especially the heavily distorted electric guitars have a specific sound that I tend to dislike on the C's. but to an extent I feel that it's something present with most music that has a complex sound. maybe not so with good recordings of symphonic music. the only way to tell if it's my system's fault is to readjust my ears with some high-end, tweaked-to-the-last-bit system. unfortunately I have to travel about 400 km to do that.
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post #17649 of 19359
11/6/12 at 8:19am
Some Focus 160s on the Agon

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-dynaudio-focus-160-loudspeakers-2012-11-06-speakers-92602
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post #17650 of 19359
11/6/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

that's how I feel about my Confidence 3's too.

You have Confidence 3s !!?? I've always been curious about that speaker
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post #17651 of 19359
11/6/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

You have Confidence 3s !!?? I've always been curious about that speaker
umm... yes?

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11/6/12 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

it's true that they sound like that mostly on rock. especially the heavily distorted electric guitars have a specific sound that I tend to dislike on the C's. but to an extent I feel that it's something present with most music that has a complex sound. maybe not so with good recordings of symphonic music. the only way to tell if it's my system's fault is to readjust my ears with some high-end, tweaked-to-the-last-bit system. unfortunately I have to travel about 400 km to do that.

I feel like it was with my current system, including the Contour S3.4s that I could finally listen to large scale symphonic music in all its glory and detail. I can't think of anything more complex for a hifi system to resolve. I am expecting that by adding the Esotar2 to the S3.4s that symphonic music should benefit even more. I almost never play electronic music on my system, but it wasn't too long ago that I cranked up the LP version of "Boogie Woogie Waltz" from Weather report's "Sweetnighter" album (which has electric bass and keyboard). I had it playing at 100+ db and it sounded fantastic. Not strident in the least.
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11/6/12 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post

Some Focus 160s on the Agon
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-dynaudio-focus-160-loudspeakers-2012-11-06-speakers-92602

That would be a good deal excepting I do have a concern. The condition is listed as 8/10 meaning it has flaws according to the sites grading system. How do 8 week old speakers have flaws? I guess it's possible but I'm leary.

Rob
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11/6/12 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

That would be a good deal excepting I do have a concern. The condition is listed as 8/10 meaning it has flaws according to the sites grading system. How do 8 week old speakers have flaws? I guess it's possible but I'm leary.
Rob

You can always login and ask the seller why they rated the speakers 8/10.
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post #17655 of 19359
11/6/12 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

I agree 100%, I've tried to let it go twice but you're right, I will no longer respond and I apologize to the group.
Rob
Thanks Rob
It was starting to make me think you and CD were Married LMAO biggrin.gif
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11/6/12 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post

Some Focus 160s on the Agon
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-dynaudio-focus-160-loudspeakers-2012-11-06-speakers-92602
man those look awesome... I like the walnut more then my rosewood.... mad.gif but they all had to match...
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post #17657 of 19359
11/6/12 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Thanks Rob
It was starting to make me think you and CD were Married LMAO biggrin.gif

Divorced:
irreconcilable differences
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post #17658 of 19359
11/6/12 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

You can always login and ask the seller why they rated the speakers 8/10.

I already have a pair but that's a good price!
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post #17659 of 19359
11/6/12 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Divorced:
irreconcilable differences
Great come back !!!!!!!
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post #17660 of 19359
11/6/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

man those look awesome... I like the walnut more then my rosewood.... mad.gif but they all had to match...

I went back and forth with the walnut and rosewood but knowing something about wood I didn't want them to get dark and walnut does that more so than other woods. I certainly couldn't fault anyone who picked them over rosewood though.

Rob
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post #17661 of 19359
11/6/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Sweet! I would love to hear a pair of those.
The Esotar2 tweeters for my S3.4s should arrive today or tomorrow. I look forward to hearing the change.

That should be a nice upgrade for you, congrats.

 

Unfortunately I'm going to have to wait for the 5.4's to ship, I was informed today that the SCX still hasn't come in yet. Now I play the waiting game, hopefully the center channel arrives soon.

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11/6/12 at 1:04pm
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How did the Entry level Sim IA sound when the volume was at a lower level? If you really enjoyed the sound at a lower volume, then I would think the pre-amp would have a similar sound, but used with your mono-blocks the power that youre looking for when you want to turn the volume up. Perhaps you can take your 110s over to you neighbors house and listen to the Sim IA again and see what you think with that IA running speakers more appropriate for that unit?

Still undecided about the pre amp, going to sleep on this one and see what the local dealer has that's comparable to listen so I don't have a long drive for nothing.

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post #17663 of 19359
11/6/12 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Great come back !!!!!!!

Hey CD, I found someone who appreciates my sense of humor!

Rob
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post #17664 of 19359
11/6/12 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

I went back and forth with the walnut and rosewood but knowing something about wood I didn't want them to get dark and walnut does that more so than other woods. I certainly couldn't fault anyone who picked them over rosewood though.
Rob
I would prefer the walnut - yes it does get dark petty fast but it is a good looking dark. Actually my favorite is English black walnut. That's why I chose Mocha C1 sig's over the bordeaux. BTW CD's price on his C1 sigs is also great. If I didn't already own the Mocha's I could have saved a bunch and learned to really like bordeaux too at CD's asking price. I did consider the bordeaux as a contrast for the rest of my room but knew I would be safe with the Mocha's. I mean the Mocha's blend into my room and decor where the bordeaux would stand out - maybe but only maybe in a real good way. For the coin I chose blend in. wink.gif

As far as Rosewood when Tyler demoed his original C1's in high gloss Rosewood (at my house) they looked killer. Even better than Tyler's place. I think he knew it but wasn't ready to lose money on a sale. I had already stretched by budget by 40% at the time when I first purchased the C1's. To me it was well worth it not to upgrade the finish. Of course as the Sig/MKII came out I decided that I'M DONE regarding speakers and get the best lookers too. I even decided to look for the discontinued black chrome stands (another cost @ $850)

Here is the best part - If I want to change up the sound all I have to do is roll some tubes through the Octave. biggrin.gif
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post #17665 of 19359
11/6/12 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

I would prefer the walnut - yes it does get dark petty fast but it is a good looking dark. Actually my favorite is English black walnut. That's why I chose Mocha C1 sig's over the bordeaux. BTW CD's price on his C1 sigs is also great. If I didn't already own the Mocha's I could have saved a bunch and learned to really like bordeaux too at CD's asking price. I did consider the bordeaux as a contrast for the rest of my room but knew I would be safe with the Mocha's. I mean the Mocha's blend into my room and decor where the bordeaux would stand out - maybe but only maybe in a real good way. For the coin I chose blend in. wink.gif
As far as Rosewood when Tyler demoed his original C1's in high gloss Rosewood (at my house) they looked killer. Even better than Tyler's place. I think he knew it but wasn't ready to lose money on a sale. I had already stretched by budget by 40% at the time when I first purchased the C1's. To me it was well worth it not to upgrade the finish. Of course as the Sig/MKII came out I decided that I'M DONE regarding speakers and get the best lookers too. I even decided to look for the discontinued black chrome stands (another cost @ $850)
Here is the best part - If I want to change up the sound all I have to do is roll some tubes through the Octave. biggrin.gif

I understand, a lot of people like the darker woods. I had a pair of x12's in maple but they were bland, I like the rose wood and the Danes finished it wonderfully!
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11/6/12 at 4:20pm
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I understand, a lot of people like the darker woods. I had a pair of x12's in maple but they were bland, I like the rose wood and the Danes finished it wonderfully!
Maple may be bland to me or you but you know there is someone who will find it to be the best for them. Something for everyone. I work in an IT dept for a car chain of dealers. Toyota has a a fairly new Scion called the FRS. Looks cool but in a color called hot lava that looks like a hot salmon color. To me it's hideous but I have heard sales and customers rave about it. To each their own smile.gif

I hope everyone went and voted today regardless of who you voted for.
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11/6/12 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Maple may be bland to me or you but you know there is someone who will find it to be the best for them. Something for everyone. I work in an IT dept for a car chain of dealers. Toyota has a a fairly new Scion called the FRS. Looks cool but in a color called hot lava that looks like a hot salmon color. To me it's hideous but I have heard sales and customers rave about it. To each their own smile.gif
I hope everyone went and voted today regardless of who you voted for.

My S1.4s were in Maple, and we loved them, although the silver baffles were swapped out for the charcoal one of the other finishes. When we upgraded to the S3.4s we wanted a Maple pair that were for sale, but didn't act quickly enough. We ended up with a pair in Cherry, but in better (mint) condition. I am really happy with the Cherry. It's a great finish. All my Audience and Sub500 are Cherry (but in different rooms), so it's all good.

I remember the S25s in Birds Eye Maple. Those were beautiful.
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post #17668 of 19359
11/6/12 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

He in turn learned from me that blind tests are pretty worthless. At first he'd make me a subject of arbitrary tests, and I would get so stressed out about it I "got it wrong" all the time. He learned that if he gave me something to take home and enjoy over the weekend he got much more useful information. The problem is if you know you are a test subject, that induces some amount of stress and you are in an unnatural state for what you are testing. The only way a double blind test can possibly work is if the subject of the test doesn't know it's a test, sort of a triple blind test as it were.

How is stress an actual excuse? So there's no stress when making a large $ purchase in a dealer's show room in a completely unfamiliar environment, but when trying to listen to two unknowns for differences in a test that has no real world impact, is completely arbitrary, and has nothing tied to it, it's somehow too stressful? That's a non sequitur to me. I can't help but think of Daniel Tosh's joke about people who claim to not be good test takers, "oh so you fail at the part where we learn how much you know?"
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11/6/12 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

That should be a nice upgrade for you, congrats.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to wait for the 5.4's to ship, I was informed today that the SCX still hasn't come in yet. Now I play the waiting game, hopefully the center channel arrives soon.

The waiting game continues! I keep checking my email to see if my confidence center has shipped yet. I'm hoping it's here this weekend as I'll have it's of free time to put it through its paces.
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11/6/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

That would be a good deal excepting I do have a concern. The condition is listed as 8/10 meaning it has flaws according to the sites grading system. How do 8 week old speakers have flaws? I guess it's possible but I'm leary.
Rob

Might just be a cautious seller. When I sell on audiogon I always say to myself "self (that's what I call myself), self, if I was a crotchity old audiophile that would nit pick the Mona Lisa, how would I grade this?" Then I use that grade. It's risky to rate something a 9 because I guarentee you that your 9 is some hyper anal guys 8 or even 7. Best to just underrate everthing.
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