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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

have they arrived yet?
I expect a call any time now.
post #17702 of 21660
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

All this makes sense to me, and confirms why I am never comfortable buying something if I haven't taken it home -- for at least a weekend --

The problem with that is taking the unit back if you don't like it. Man is that ever awkward. No thanks...
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

The problem with that is taking the unit back if you don't like it. Man is that ever awkward. No thanks...

Jax someone just posted on a sale of 8 week old 160's for about 1/2 price. I'd say there's a good chance he had some buyer's remorse. In any case my policy is to ask outright what the return policy is, or if there is a demo they would be willing to loan out. Losing half my money on a purchase, that's painful to me!

Rob
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

The problem with that is taking the unit back if you don't like it. Man is that ever awkward. No thanks...
There is no awkwardness for me. I borrow a demo for a weekend and bring it back. Either I order one for myself or I don't. I have a good relationship with my dealer, and they have a generous trade policy if I decide later I want to upgrade.
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

have they arrived yet?
Arrived, a 30 min. install, and they are making sound. biggrin.gif
I need to just play these for a few days until Sunday, when I can relax and play records all day while my wife is at work. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

All this makes sense to me, and confirms why I am never comfortable buying something if I haven't taken it home -- for at least a weekend -- to audition in my own comfortable listening environment, without external interference or influence. When I do this I spend the first day just getting past having a new piece of gear. It takes me until at least the second day before I can ignore there is something new to the system, and I settle in to enjoying music and discovering whether it's better, worse, the same, or just different. Until I am there, there isn't much point for me to start making a purchase decision.
I've been real lucky. I bought 3 pieces without even hearing them and did real well. First was the Bryston B100 (but my son and brother in law had the 3b SST's so I had an idea of what they sounded like). That was also before I had Dyn's so the B100 was fine. Yes I sold the B100 (after getting the C1's) but the Octave V70SE was a huge upgrade for ONLY twice as much money. Second was my Meridian G08. It really has a sound I really like and love it. Last was was the C1 Signatures (but I had the originals - no brainer there). wink.gif

That being said there is nothing better than an in home demo. Hearing the Octave side by side with the Bryston was better than just listening to the C1's and Octave at Tyler's ( no I didn't bring the Bryston to compare at Tyler's). biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by intamin View Post

Again, what is stressful about listening to piece a, listening to piece b, and saying I like a, and then repeating that process? Don't we all claim to enjoy listening to music? Wouldn't this be a fun test to see if what we claim to hear is indeed there? And it isn't a flawed methodology. It's accepted by not only the audio industry, but by the greater scientific community outside of the audio world. The only ones to seem to think it's somehow flawed are audiophiles chasing magic.

Can I just say that I absolutely believe in DBT in the pharmaceutical industry, I just don't believe in it's efficacy in "taste tests" or in tests of perception since the very fact that you're in a test will affect your perception, expectation and outcome.

Intamin in my opinion you make a very strong logical straightforward argument, very scientific but your missing the human element in your calculations. I think I make valid points as do you, so I guess it's best to let others make up their own minds on DBT since we've already made up ours yes? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

After a few years on my own, I regrouped and went to a college and program of my choosing, and graduated cum laude with a music history B.A.

You know; I could have sworn someone just said it was in bad taste, to talk about one's education. Guess it's OK for you though. rolleyes.gif

I think I'll sit back and just watch for a while; that way, you holier-than-thou SOBs can't blame the bickering on me ^^^ (because you do just fine on your own)!
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

You know; I could have sworn someone just said it was in bad taste, to talk about one's education. Guess it's OK for you though. rolleyes.gif
I think I'll sit back and just watch for a while; that way, you holier-than-thou SOBs can't blame the bickering on me ^^^ (because you do just fine on your own)!

Jeez CD. Where's all that anger at me comin' from? Take a chill pill, huh.

Really? I've never heard about not talking about one's education. That's a new one to me -- who made up that rule? Sounds like a load of B.S to me. Should we also not talk about our jobs, families, and so on? Anyway, I worked very hard for my education. Paid for it myself. Worked long and excruciating hours to do well, and I succeeded. Neither you nor anyone else gets to take that away from me, so get over it.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Jeez CD. Where's all that anger at me comin' from? Take a chill pill, huh.
Really? I've never heard about not talking about one's education. That's a new one to me -- who made up that rule? Sounds like a load of B.S to me. Should we also not talk about our jobs, families, and so on? Anyway, I worked very hard for my education. Paid for it myself. Worked long and excruciating hours to do well, and I succeeded. Neither you nor anyone else gets to take that away from me, so get over it.

I was referring to this RT...
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

As far education. I've met and had the privilege to work with some truly brilliant people in my life none of them brought up their education. I think it's like the guy who drives the Fiat, he has to go fast to show everyone how great his car is, the guy in the Porsche doesn't have to drive fast, everyone knows he has a fast car.

Maybe you weren't in class that day? But I'll admit to be "angry", if that's the word for it. I don't find the thread to be engaging in the least these days...and then you guys basically say I'm instigating all this bickering. So I stop posting, and you guys argue about DBTs...of all things...for 2 days. rolleyes.gif

Whatever; some of you deserve each other, lol.
Edited by CDLehner - 11/7/12 at 8:11pm
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Any one has an 11.4 with Dynaudio all around
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I was referring to this RT...
Maybe you weren't in class that day? But I'll admit to be "angry", if that's the word for it. I don't find the thread to be engaging in the least these days...and then you guys basically say I'm instigating all this bickering. So I stop posting, and you guys argue about DBTs...of all things...for 2 days. rolleyes.gif
Whatever; some of you deserve each other, lol.

I've had enough of this thread. I don't need a two day break from it. This thread died. Unsubscribing...
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

You know; I could have sworn someone just said it was in bad taste, to talk about one's education. Guess it's OK for you though. rolleyes.gif
I think I'll sit back and just watch for a while; that way, you holier-than-thou SOBs can't blame the bickering on me ^^^ (because you do just fine on your own)!

That was uncalled for, you used your education in an attempt to establish reading comprehension. You might as well have been comparing apples and oranges, and I told you so. Dean found the info I posted helped him understand how his education validated it. I would be truly sorry if he is gone and the onus is on you and the bitterness you allowed to permeate this thread after the door was shut on our discussion.
I, and others, asked you more than once to let it go but you just couldn't!

Dean, I personally found you a valuable asset and this thread would be less without your input.I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

Rob
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Any one has an 11.4 with Dynaudio all around

What's an 11.4?
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

What's an 11.4?
11 surround speakers + 4 woofers, d'oh.
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

That was uncalled for, you used your education in an attempt to establish reading comprehension. You might as well have been comparing apples and oranges, and I told you so. Dean found the info I posted helped him understand how his education validated it. I would be truly sorry if he is gone and the onus is on you and the bitterness you allowed to permeate this thread after the door was shut on our discussion.
I, and others, asked you more than once to let it go but you just couldn't!
Dean, I personally found you a valuable asset and this thread would be less without your input.I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
Rob

Parting words: the jab was at you, certainly...and not at Dean. Dean didn't "get" that I guess (and certainly that's one of the problems with online communication...no tone, inflection, facial expressions, body language, et al); but I certainly wasn't trying to give him crap, as I have no reason to.

However, I don't weep for him if he leaves; he's probably better off. He and I have had our tangles, but I respect Dean and his passion very much. Another one of those things that I guess is hard to read, on this here intro-net; but the truth is, when I give him the "needle"...it's meant to be good-natured, like you'd razz a friend or someone you had familiarity with (and I could have sworn...of late...he was purposely mentioning how he was going to go listen to some Jazz or Classical; just as a way of kidding me about the generalization that I made about his listening habits, lol. I didn't say anything, because I could have been wrong; but secretly, I was hoping that was the case...because I found it damn funny, and good-natured as well).

I won't profess to be the executor of good-will around here...because we all know better. I'm passionate, and while I don't try to pick fights...I've never felt the need to run from one either. "Letting something go", rings to me like relinquish your position. IDK...not interested; I always assumed intelligent people could sort out their differences reasonably. "That's enough you two"? That's what my mom used to say to my brother and I...when we were 10! Thought we were grown men in here? We certainly have their toys!

I'll say this rob...aroni; for better or worse, I've co-existed with these members for quite some time...and I can't ever remember Dean, or anyone else for that matter "leaving" over me. How long have you been a contributing member? Perhaps the general negative tone these days, has something to do with your posts??

In any case, I too wish Dean would stay...if he wants. He certainly shouldn't leave on my account. A, because as I've explained I think he misunderstood (that it was not a jab at him), and b, I don't know how much I intend to keep participating. I find the thread to go boring from time to time. How many times can we answer newbie questions about Excite vs. Focus; or whether Confidence level Dyns need a lot of power or not? Point is, I don't see any reason that we...as a "community"...can't go "off-topic"? Like, what kinda music are ya digging right now...or, what DAC did ya try that you think is great. Sure, I understand there are forums for that kind of thing; but I'm interested in what Dyn-guys are listening to...which DACs Dyn-guys like. It makes me a better member of the Dyn community, in my mind; not worse.

Any time I go there, I pretty much get shouted down; so I guess this is all we have around here, to "mix things up a bit". Is fighting with these "new guys", when they try to come in and tell us "cables don't matter", "don't believe marketing hype", and so forth. I said it before...I guess I could just ignore it, but to me...that's a simple solution for a simple man. Someone tells me something I already know, I speak-up and say "hey man...no need to tell me. I'm a smart cookie...I already knew that".

I said I hope Dean comes back if he wants to; and I hope this helps. But I don't cry for him; he's having much more fun listening to that Jazz and Classical wink.gif Peace.
Edited by CDLehner - 11/8/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

That was uncalled for, you used your education in an attempt to establish reading comprehension. You might as well have been comparing apples and oranges, and I told you so. Dean found the info I posted helped him understand how his education validated it. I would be truly sorry if he is gone and the onus is on you and the bitterness you allowed to permeate this thread after the door was shut on our discussion.
I, and others, asked you more than once to let it go but you just couldn't!
Dean, I personally found you a valuable asset and this thread would be less without your input.I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
Rob

For someone that is flaunting his education you would think CD would learn to spell "music" right under his avs name/tag. Regardless this is all childish nit-picking pointless fights. Which is why I barely post on this forum. Grow up people & get back to the point of this thread...Dynaudio speakers.
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Can anyone here tell me some key characteristics of the new pioneer speakers?
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

Can anyone here tell me some key characteristics of the new pioneer speakers?

What model? I think Sterophile did a review not to long ago, can't remember when but this is a Dynaudio thread .... well most times!

Rob
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most times is my point lol:p
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

most times is my point lol:p

It's an inside joke!
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I've had enough of this thread. I don't need a two day break from it. This thread died. Unsubscribing...

Seems like a mistake. This thread is usually entertaining.

As for CD's "instigation", I can only say that he is one of the people that keeps this thread interesting. I also do not find his posts to be combative, to the contrary in most cases. Just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I find the thread to go boring from time to time. How many times can we answer newbie questions about Excite vs. Focus; or whether Confidence level Dyns need a lot of power or not? Point is, I don't see any reason that we...as a "community"...can't go "off-topic"? Like, what kinda music are ya digging right now...or, what DAC did ya try that you think is great.

Totally agree. Never understood the "that's off topic" nazis. We are the Dyn owners club. Anything hifi related should be fair game.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Totally agree. Never understood the "that's off topic" nazis. We are the Dyn owners club. Anything hifi related should be fair game.

Me too, so you go off topic, so what. It's also about entertainment. Are we having fun? The reason I said this is a Dynaudio thread is to let him know he might get a better response somewhere else, I also asked what the speaker model was.

So things get heated up a bit. I think we should all just agree to disagree and if I offend someone... well it's not my intention. If we sat around and all agreed on everything this thread would die a boring death. Maybe we should all agree that we will harbor no ill intentions to each other and go about living with our biases without animosity. At the end of the day we're all here because we have the same taste in speakers for the most part, maybe we shouldn't forget that.

Peace,

Rob
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Originally Posted by robaroni View Post

Me too, so you go off topic, so what. It's also about entertainment. Are we having fun? The reason I said this is a Dynaudio thread is to let him know he might get a better response somewhere else, I also asked what the speaker model was.
So things get heated up a bit. I think we should all just agree to disagree and if I offend someone... well it's not my intention. If we sat around and all agreed on everything this thread would die a boring death. Maybe we should all agree that we will harbor no ill intentions to each other and go about living with our biases without animosity. At the end of the day we're all here because we have the same taste in speakers for the most part, maybe we shouldn't forget that.
Peace,
Rob

And there's the beer; that's the way men settle things! F-you, stick it up your arse...how about a beer? tongue.gif

J/K; I don't revel in the combativeness, if you can even call it that (thanks Jax-sie). But honestly...and I tried to make this point with regard to Dean; I wouldn't even bother, if it wasn't someone worth bickering with. The wisest conclusion I ever came to on my own, is hate is not the opposite of admiration; indifference is.

Dean, you misunderstood me; come back when you're ready m'man. Robaroni, I take your olive-branch, and let's consider this round over.
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

Can anyone here tell me some key characteristics of the new pioneer speakers?

Which ones? The 7k ones that look like TADs? Suggest you read the Streophile review with the Cr-1s.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Seems like a mistake. This thread is usually entertaining.
As for CD's "instigation", I can only say that he is one of the people that keeps this thread interesting. I also do not find his posts to be combative, to the contrary in most cases. Just my opinion.

I don't think CD instigated anything to be honest, him and Robaroni got into a heated discussion and got hot under the collars, it can happen to any of us. I actually respect both of them for their straight talk.
Jeez we need some comedy relief, Breako where are you???
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In the spirit of peace and harmony, let me just post something we can ALL agree on. My system is clearly best. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

In the spirit of peace and harmony, let me just post something we can ALL agree on. My system is clearly best. biggrin.gif

Gee, I didn't know you had the same system as me!

Rob
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Hello just joined here because i got a litte confused( but been reading page after pager before) about my new speakers C1! today i have Naim 155 & 152 for them but gonna order new amplifier and probably it gonna be Octave v70se after all good i heard of it with the C1. The thing is i played Pink floyd Another brick in the wall from foobar 2000 and it was like 11 o´clock on the stereo and all the time the base started sound bad how u say in english klipping?! but when put on a techno song on spotify with deep base they have no problem too fix it.just kept playing and sounds very good so im little confused Pink floyd song is not even 30% iof the same base but they started sound bad anyway..Before i had Audiovector Si3 super and cloud play alot louder then i do now.

I know that C1 want alot of power but its just strange that i can not play a Pink floyd song at the same volume as a techno song that produce alot more base. or im i thinking wrong?

Sorry if english is little bad but are from Sweden

Jimmy
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