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post #18001 of 19354
12/10/12 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

There was a pair of Maple S3.4s that sold on Craigslist here for $2300. I paid somewhat less than that for mine. I didn't pay full retail for my E110 Esotar2, so all told I came out with really big bang for my buck.
Now that the C1 MkII and Sigs have been out for a while, and are starting to show up for sale in the used market, I suspect the older C1s should start coming down to well below the $4K range I was seeing on A'gon.

I was actually surprised on the C1's mk 1s holding their value at $4k or more for this long. There really hasn't been much of a drop off in price used since the mk II/sigs came out. I've seen some really good deals on speakers/audio equipment used that isn't selling this past year. It is a buyer's market.
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post #18002 of 19354
12/10/12 at 4:54pm
^^^I actually wasn't sure how much of a premium would be placed on mkII/Sigs. Hard to put into words...except people understand "new and improved"; but what that's worth exactly, is another matter. I know the Focus is seemingly, like a whole different animal; comparisons between C1mkI and mkII might be harder to differentiate.
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I was actually surprised on the C1's mk 1s holding their value at $4k or more for this long. There really hasn't been much of a drop off in price used since the mk II/sigs came out. I've seen some really good deals on speakers/audio equipment used that isn't selling this past year. It is a buyer's market.

Man, is that an understatement!
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post #18003 of 19354
12/10/12 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

^^^I actually wasn't sure how much of a premium would be placed on mkII/Sigs. Hard to put into words...except people understand "new and improved"; but what that's worth exactly, is another matter. I know the Focus is seemingly, like a whole different animal; comparisons between C1mkI and mkII might be harder to differentiate.
Man, is that an understatement!
Sorry CD but the MKII is at a different level than the original. Hate to say it but with the originals you really have to turn them way up to appreciate the C1 sound. Now with the MKII's you can hear that great sound at lower listening levels. To me that brings up the level of MKII's into a higher league. tongue.gif I think Khin is going to be real happy. There is never any listening fatigue no matter how long you listen. biggrin.gif
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post #18004 of 19354
12/10/12 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Sorry CD but the MKII is at a different level than the original. Hate to say it but with the originals you really have to turn them way up to appreciate the C1 sound. Now with the MKII's you can hear that great sound at lower listening levels. To me that brings up the level of MKII's into a higher league. tongue.gif I think Khin is going to be real happy. There is never any listening fatigue no matter how long you listen. biggrin.gif

You don't have to apologize to me; I wouldn't know. All I was saying, is I was wondering if people would actually pay more for what is likely the better speaker...or if they would tend to think they were all the same, and want to save money by going for a mkI at a discount.

I agree with you, and for Khin he doesn't have to wonder; he's got the latest and greatest. biggrin.gif
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post #18005 of 19354
12/10/12 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

You don't have to apologize to me; I wouldn't know. All I was saying, is I was wondering if people would actually pay more for what is likely the better speaker...or if they would tend to think they were all the same, and want to save money by going for a mkI at a discount.
I agree with you, and for Khin he doesn't have to wonder; he's got the latest and greatest. biggrin.gif
The MKII is not a likely better speaker. It is a better speaker. You have to listen side by side and then you would hear the huge difference. I owned the originals for over 2 years and the MKII is much better. Now don't get me wrong I fell in love with the originals when I heard them and didn't think for the money anything came close to my taste. But looking at retail price the MKII is only $500 more (or about 7 1/2% more). Pre owned I think the originals will be a bargain given some more time. They still seem to hold their value. Again take all the good sound from the originals and add better low to moderate listening levels you have a speaker in another class.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it tongue.gif
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post #18006 of 19354
12/10/12 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Wondering if Dynaudio didn't shoot themselves in the foot with the pricing on the new focus line. I know the old focus line were best sellers, but people can't seem to get takers for the new line on audiogon. There's a pair of 340s on audiogon that's been there for months with no takers at $5k. That's a great price for nearly new speakers that retail for $7500. And people are having to practically give away the 260s that have shown up for sale. Makes me wonder how new sales are doing. I love my 340s but I do think the price jump from the old focus line was a lttle too agressive. I also think for $7500 the 340s should have the esotar2 tweeter....

Going on 5 months with mine now and still love them but someday I'd like to upgrade to C2s and no doubt I will have to take a bath on these 340s.

I too think the prices of the new Focus speakers are a bit high, especially considering how the Contours are priced. I wonder how sales are.
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post #18007 of 19354
12/11/12 at 6:37am
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I too think the prices of the new Focus speakers are a bit high, especially considering how the Contours are priced. I wonder how sales are.

I really wonder what's going on with the Contour line. If you'll recall, I predicted the Contour looked like the odd man out, and would get dropped. I hope not, as I'd love to try an S1.6...the name I've adopted for the upgraded Contour stand-mount. wink.gif I've even kept my Stand4s, just in case.

If the new Focus line is improved, and therefore punches-above-its-weight, and bang-for-the-buck, etc; and the updated Confidence is SOTA, Dynaudio flagship at ~$8k; where does that leave the Contour? Don't get riled Contour guys; I'm not talking about the sound...just the marketing. I think a move needs to be soon; Stand4s are growing cold.
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post #18008 of 19354
12/11/12 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Sorry CD but the MKII is at a different level than the original. Hate to say it but with the originals you really have to turn them way up to appreciate the C1 sound. Now with the MKII's you can hear that great sound at lower listening levels. To me that brings up the level of MKII's into a higher league. tongue.gif I think Khin is going to be real happy. There is never any listening fatigue no matter how long you listen. biggrin.gif

You don't have to apologize to me; I wouldn't know. All I was saying, is I was wondering if people would actually pay more for what is likely the better speaker...or if they would tend to think they were all the same, and want to save money by going for a mkI at a discount.

I agree with you, and for Khin he doesn't have to wonder; he's got the latest and greatest. biggrin.gif

Haven't got the latest and the greatest. The National Turtle Express is holding them at somewhere in Utah. smile.gif
At this rate, next Monday is my earliest to give an impression on C1 Sigs (have a business trip coming up).
Edited by kzhtoo - 12/11/12 at 10:17am
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post #18009 of 19354
12/11/12 at 9:50am
Agreed-

this is a great little speaker. A colleague of mine, whom also runs a small Audio business out of his home, has the C1 in his demo rig.
The rest of the components are VPI / Rega turntables, Octave tube integrated amp, T+A media server and both Cardas / StageIII cables/cords.
Check out Ellingtonhifi.com for more info.
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post #18010 of 19354
12/11/12 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by EvilYoda View Post

Is it kosher to ask for some pricing advice in this thread? I'll be looking to sell my pair of rosewood S1.4 soon (no stands) and am hoping to get a little help on the pricing. Last time I checked, I think $1750 was what I had in mind - I have pictures somewhere and I'll use AVS and Audiogon. There's only one little...bump? not quite a scratch, but it's on a corner and pretty hard to see (macro picked it up fine). Other than that, they're in great condition and used sparingly in the last 3 years, hence my reason for selling them.
Is $1750 a decent price? I'll edit this if it's inappropriate to ask for such help. (I need the same assistance on my Velodyne DD-12 as well, heh) Thanks all.

Have you sold the S1.4's?
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post #18011 of 19354
12/11/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

Congrats, the 160s are awesome speakers. I got to see the Gloss White 260s, and the 160s I think were Gloss Black, both were very nice sounding. I had always thought the natural progression would be to the S1.4s, but when I heard the 160s, I knew that I would rather have the 160s for what I listen to and how I would use them. I would love the Walnut color myself.

Can you elaborate on choosing the 160's over the S1.4's? I have heard the 160's and really liked them but would like to hear the S1.4's. I like listening to all types of music, not too much jazz or classical at all. Love the sweet midrange with vocals, soundstage, detail and bass.
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post #18012 of 19354
12/11/12 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

Gerald those numbers don't seem out of whack to me but i don't know for sure, sure the 3.4 is a higher line but the 340 is a 3 way from the new improved Focus line.
The 5.4 higher price seems about right but the 380 is arguably the equal of the 5.4.
I've heard the Focus 260, fantastic speaker, I love em and you won't be sorry if you get them. I actually prefer their sound over the Contour line, just a personal pref. Others prefer the Contour.

Would like to hear what your thoughts on the Focus line vs. the Contour line. I'm asking others to gather some insight.
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post #18013 of 19354
12/11/12 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I've been enjoying the Contour S3.4s a lot more than my S1.4s (which I'm selling). Today I rearranged my listening room to move some record shelves out of the way, allowing me to spread the S3.4s out a bit more. That really helped me get them dialed in. Now I have a big open soundstage that works beautifully for everything from solo violin music to Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra" with a huge orchestra and organ. I am most pleased, and now saving for a Esotar2 upgrade. biggrin.gif

Do you still have your S1.4's?
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post #18014 of 19354
12/11/12 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Agreed-
this is a great little speaker. A colleague of mine, whom also runs a small Audio business out of his home, has the C1 in his demo rig.
The rest of the components are VPI / Rega turntables, Octave tube integrated amp, T+A media server and both Cardas / StageIII cables/cords.
Check out Ellingtonhifi.com for more info.
Octave integrated and C1's sound like a winning combo biggrin.gif
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post #18015 of 19354
12/11/12 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by deetothevee View Post

Do you still have your S1.4's?
Long gone. I sold them in July, along with their set of Stand4.
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post #18016 of 19354
12/11/12 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by deetothevee View Post

Can you elaborate on choosing the 160's over the S1.4's? I have heard the 160's and really liked them but would like to hear the S1.4's. I like listening to all types of music, not too much jazz or classical at all. Love the sweet midrange with vocals, soundstage, detail and bass.
For me I like the tweeter and voicing of the 160s more then the contours which I find just slightly dark in comparison. I do think the bass on the contours is slightly more powerful tho. I do find that the ability of the focus to play easier at low levels an advantage for late night listening, which I so a lot of.
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post #18017 of 19354
12/11/12 at 6:55pm
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Haven't got the latest and the greatest. The National Turtle Express is holding them at somewhere in Utah. smile.gif
At this rate, next Monday is my earliest to give an impression on C1 Sigs (have a business trip coming up).

I know; I got really worried, because they appeared to be in Hagerstown, MD for the longest time. I thought there was going to be another delay.

As it is Khin, I hope you can confirm safe arrival Weds...and enjoy once you're back. wink.gif
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post #18018 of 19354
12/11/12 at 10:17pm
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

For me I like the tweeter and voicing of the 160s more then the contours which I find just slightly dark in comparison. I do think the bass on the contours is slightly more powerful tho. I do find that the ability of the focus to play easier at low levels an advantage for late night listening, which I so a lot of.

Thank you, that helps me a lot. Lower level quality is also important to me. What are you driving your 160's with?
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post #18019 of 19354
12/11/12 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by deetothevee View Post

Thank you, that helps me a lot. Lower level quality is also important to me. What are you driving your 160's with?
my power comes from a Naim Nait 5i.

when Im watching movies the integra acts as the pre-amp and the naim acts as a power amp. when listening ot music (cd, vinyl or computer audio) i use it as an integrated amp
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post #18020 of 19354
12/12/12 at 4:38am
Has anyone compared the Dynaudio X32 to Pro Ac Studio 140s? I have heard the Pro Ac but not the Dynaudio.. yet, just looking for opinions?

Thanks

Roh
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post #18021 of 19354
12/12/12 at 10:57pm
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Haven't got the latest and the greatest. The National Turtle Express is holding them at somewhere in Utah. smile.gif
At this rate, next Monday is my earliest to give an impression on C1 Sigs (have a business trip coming up).

I know; I got really worried, because they appeared to be in Hagerstown, MD for the longest time. I thought there was going to be another delay.

As it is Khin, I hope you can confirm safe arrival Weds...and enjoy once you're back. wink.gif

The latest and greatest has finally arrived. Bordeaux finish is gorgeous. World class craftsmanship. (Thanks CD for double boxing)

My Pass XA30.5 amp seems to be able to drive the C1 Sigs pretty well at normal listening level (needle doesn't move for SPL 80db average, 9 feet away from speakers). So biggest concern was addressed, but still need to push harder to make the final judgement.

Out of the box cold with an amp that has been off for 4-5 days, C1 Sigs came out firing. Bass is definitely what others have described - control and impactful. Like mini floorstanders. My main reason for going with C1 Sigs. Beautiful midrange, no surprise there. Great great imaging. May need to adjust speakers position for soundstaging however. Doesn't sound optimal right now. Very detail (more so than my Focal Electra Be) and good separation without music going all over the place. Good focus but I expected a little more air. All in all very good first impression. This is for now. Plane is taking off.
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post #18022 of 19354
12/13/12 at 12:59am
Here's a little christmas present for all Dynaudio owners. Download the most popular track and enjoy. Purist piano recording, done the Dynaudio way.

https://soundcloud.com/dynaudiophiles-intl/richard-wagner-the-ring-pianos


Edited by Dynaudiophiles - 12/13/12 at 1:38am
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post #18023 of 19354
12/13/12 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

The latest and greatest has finally arrived. Bordeaux finish is gorgeous. World class craftsmanship. (Thanks CD for double boxing)
My Pass XA30.5 amp seems to be able to drive the C1 Sigs pretty well at normal listening level (needle doesn't move for SPL 80db average, 9 feet away from speakers). So biggest concern was addressed, but still need to push harder to make the final judgement.
Out of the box cold with an amp that has been off for 4-5 days, C1 Sigs came out firing. Bass is definitely what others have described - control and impactful. Like mini floorstanders. My main reason for going with C1 Sigs. Beautiful midrange, no surprise there. Great great imaging. May need to adjust speakers position for soundstaging however. Doesn't sound optimal right now. Very detail (more so than my Focal Electra Be) and good separation without music going all over the place. Good focus but I expected a little more air. All in all very good first impression. This is for now. Plane is taking off.

Khin, I'm just happy they arrived without any damage! Coast-to-Coast, with such precious cargo; I was probably as nervous as you. biggrin.gif

As I told you when you were considering the purchase, I can't imagine your XA30.5 not being able to sufficiently drive the C1s. Sure, class A doesn't produce whopping numbers, watts-wise; but my understanding is its the current champ, and we all know that's what Dyns crave. Now...if you're a Rock guy, and really like to crank it; maybe the Pass class A...good as it is...isn't your man. FWIW, I thought McCormack amps really made the C1s grunt like no other. Maybe not the last word in refinement, but man can they crank out the DBs...while still holding it together, musically.

Also happy to hear you're not experiencing any kind of let-down, on first listen. Hey, expectations can be high...with speakers of this quality, reputation, and price. Sounds like all signs are positive, and I think the highs will grow on you. If you're used to a "bright" speaker...and I'm not saying the Electra BE is (although I suspect), just in general...a speaker that is "neutral" can at first appear a little "muted", for lack of a better word. I know I said this to you privately...and may have even said it in the forum before...but I always think of TVs for an analogy. When a TV is in the showroom, they crank the Brightness and Contrast wayyy up. They want it to pop, when you're looking at a wall of 30 TV sets...and that's what people think of as a "good" picture. It's not, lol! It's terribly inaccurate. If they ever buy themselves a calibration disc, and all that Brightness and Contrast comes wayyy down...at first, it can seem less "vibrant". But as your eyes adjust, you realize you actually see more detail properly adjusted...not less; and it's really a better picture, with less fatigue and assault on the eyes.

I think of the Dyns the same way; and the same thing happened to me, with C-J gear for example. At first, it's great and "smooth", and "warm"...but you might think "hmm, little dark; little dull". But if you really listen, it's not; all the detail is there...in spades. It just doesn't hit you over the head. IDK; you'll decide, but I hope and think you'll love them. wink.gif I miss them already. frown.gif
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post #18024 of 19354
12/13/12 at 7:52am
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Has anyone compared the Dynaudio X32 to Pro Ac Studio 140s? I have heard the Pro Ac but not the Dynaudio.. yet, just looking for opinions?
Thanks
Roh
sorry I have not. I have always wanted to hear the Response 2D since I read its stereophile review. would love to know how the 2 compare tho. Not that Id be switching but the ProAc's specified frequency range seems to go pretty low on all their speakers. And would be intersted in that british sound to compare.
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post #18025 of 19354
12/13/12 at 11:20am
Public thanks to Mick,

Just wanted to share a story about some stellar Dynaudio USA customer service. Had an issue with the mid/bass drivers in one of my C-2s. Shot Mick Tillman a quick note and got an immediate response. Got tips on removing them and shipping them to him as he offered to check them out for me personally.
The day they arrived Mick checked them out, told me what was wrong with them and informed me he had two replacements in stock. After offering them at a great price he shipped them immediately. Should be back up and running tonight when I get home and find time to install them.

Really like the Dynaudio sound. Have C-1s in my office at work, C-2s and a C-center up front at home and my older C-3s in the rear. Focus 160s in my BR and powered Focus 110s / 250 sub connected to my MacPro. Never had a single issue until now and I'm sure I somehow screwed up the drivers though I can't link it to a specific transient, etc.

Want to say I REALLY appreciate what Mick did to get me up and running so quickly. Seems like I made the right call years ago when I decided Dynaudio was the brand for me.
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post #18026 of 19354
12/13/12 at 12:59pm
BigHat,

How goes it? So, you have C2s eh? I have C2s as well. I'm using them in my HT system. Contour 1.3s in the rear, and Contour SCX for the center. All being driven by
BAT VK-6200 and Thetadigital. What are you using to drive your system? Is your system pulling double duty? Mine is, although I do have a two-channel system as well.
I enjoy listening to music more so than I like watching a movie on my system. My source components are Pioneer Elite BDP-09 (Blu-Ray player) and a Project RM-10 turntable w/Sumiko Blackbird cartridge. Hope you enjoy C2s as much as I enjoy mine. What kind of music do you listen to?

Happy Listening and Happy Holidays!

Sparks81
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post #18027 of 19354
12/13/12 at 3:27pm
Hi Sparks,
Yes, I use them for music as well.

Source components:
Ayre QB9 DAC attached to a MacBook Pro and Drobo raid -- all hi res and uncompressed Redbook music. Control it remotely via screen share with another MacBook Pro in the living room
Oppo BDP 83 SE and a Sony ES 5000 B_R players, but I also have a Kaleidescape 3U server and M700 player for movies and that gets most of the use. The Oppo was used to decode CDs and pass analog initially, but I rarely touch a disc of any type now.
TIVOs linked to FIOS and a DTV DVR for TV
Apple TV
Sorry, no vinyl

Pre/pro is a Lexicon MC-12HD balanced. I'm about at the end of my rope with them though. Switching to the new Bryston in Jan if once again Lex is silent on a replacement at CES.

Three Bel Canto Ref 1000s power the C-2s and C-center but this could change next year too.

Bel Canto EVO6 driving the rear C-3s. 4 channels bridged to 2-ch output.

Music interests are pretty varied, but I like Rock, Jazz and some Classical.

Really enjoy the C-2s so you can imagine the horror the second I heard that speaker cone distort on a heavy bass note. All better now though thanks to Mick.

You have some nice gear there Sparks. I lusted over that BAT long ago, but as I was an active duty Marine at the time the money just wasn't there. Fantastic amp !!!

Take care,
Matt
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post #18028 of 19354
12/13/12 at 10:23pm
Hi guys,


Does anyone have or listened Dynaudio DM 2/6?
How does it performance, especially compare to excite series x12? Does it have a big difference in terms bass, mid, hi, or clarity?

Thanks
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post #18029 of 19354
12/13/12 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

The latest and greatest has finally arrived. Bordeaux finish is gorgeous. World class craftsmanship. (Thanks CD for double boxing)
My Pass XA30.5 amp seems to be able to drive the C1 Sigs pretty well at normal listening level (needle doesn't move for SPL 80db average, 9 feet away from speakers). So biggest concern was addressed, but still need to push harder to make the final judgement.
Out of the box cold with an amp that has been off for 4-5 days, C1 Sigs came out firing. Bass is definitely what others have described - control and impactful. Like mini floorstanders. My main reason for going with C1 Sigs. Beautiful midrange, no surprise there. Great great imaging. May need to adjust speakers position for soundstaging however. Doesn't sound optimal right now. Very detail (more so than my Focal Electra Be) and good separation without music going all over the place. Good focus but I expected a little more air. All in all very good first impression. This is for now. Plane is taking off.

Khin, I'm just happy they arrived without any damage! Coast-to-Coast, with such precious cargo; I was probably as nervous as you. biggrin.gif

As I told you when you were considering the purchase, I can't imagine your XA30.5 not being able to sufficiently drive the C1s. Sure, class A doesn't produce whopping numbers, watts-wise; but my understanding is its the current champ, and we all know that's what Dyns crave. Now...if you're a Rock guy, and really like to crank it; maybe the Pass class A...good as it is...isn't your man. FWIW, I thought McCormack amps really made the C1s grunt like no other. Maybe not the last word in refinement, but man can they crank out the DBs...while still holding it together, musically.

Also happy to hear you're not experiencing any kind of let-down, on first listen. Hey, expectations can be high...with speakers of this quality, reputation, and price. Sounds like all signs are positive, and I think the highs will grow on you. If you're used to a "bright" speaker...and I'm not saying the Electra BE is (although I suspect), just in general...a speaker that is "neutral" can at first appear a little "muted", for lack of a better word. I know I said this to you privately...and may have even said it in the forum before...but I always think of TVs for an analogy. When a TV is in the showroom, they crank the Brightness and Contrast wayyy up. They want it to pop, when you're looking at a wall of 30 TV sets...and that's what people think of as a "good" picture. It's not, lol! It's terribly inaccurate. If they ever buy themselves a calibration disc, and all that Brightness and Contrast comes wayyy down...at first, it can seem less "vibrant". But as your eyes adjust, you realize you actually see more detail properly adjusted...not less; and it's really a better picture, with less fatigue and assault on the eyes.

I think of the Dyns the same way; and the same thing happened to me, with C-J gear for example. At first, it's great and "smooth", and "warm"...but you might think "hmm, little dark; little dull". But if you really listen, it's not; all the detail is there...in spades. It just doesn't hit you over the head. IDK; you'll decide, but I hope and think you'll love them. wink.gif I miss them already. frown.gif

Hi CD,
Yes, expectation was really high and deservedly so. With all the accolades C1s have received over the years and now with improved C1 Sigs/mk2, I expected these to blow me away. Especially now I feel my electronics are good enough to house such a set of world class monitors.

I'm a believer in speakers positioning and each speaker has different optimal configuration in each room. As stated, I didn't have much time to listen before I had to leave. As of now, a very impressive and promising first impression is what I took with me on the trip. I'm confident after a couple of more rounds I can tweak these to a level that can mesmerize me night after night, at least based on what I've heard so far (am I glad I don't have to go through another burn-in! lol).

And no, Esotar2 doesn't stomp Focal Be..but still, this competition is not yet decided. For now, they are just different. Also not because I'm not used to Esotar2, in fact, I like them very much on the first impression. Be's aren't bright either...my many long late night listening sessions can attest to it. smile.gif

Can't wait to get back home frown.gif I did have time to take this pic..

egyva5us.jpg
Edited by kzhtoo - 12/13/12 at 11:44pm
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post #18030 of 19354
12/14/12 at 3:57am
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I did have time to take this pic..
egyva5us.jpg

Ahh; I miss them already frown.gif Take care old friends.
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