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post #18031 of 19646
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Khin, I'm just happy they arrived without any damage! Coast-to-Coast, with such precious cargo; I was probably as nervous as you. biggrin.gif
As I told you when you were considering the purchase, I can't imagine your XA30.5 not being able to sufficiently drive the C1s. Sure, class A doesn't produce whopping numbers, watts-wise; but my understanding is its the current champ, and we all know that's what Dyns crave. Now...if you're a Rock guy, and really like to crank it; maybe the Pass class A...good as it is...isn't your man. FWIW, I thought McCormack amps really made the C1s grunt like no other. Maybe not the last word in refinement, but man can they crank out the DBs...while still holding it together, musically.
Also happy to hear you're not experiencing any kind of let-down, on first listen. Hey, expectations can be high...with speakers of this quality, reputation, and price. Sounds like all signs are positive, and I think the highs will grow on you. If you're used to a "bright" speaker...and I'm not saying the Electra BE is (although I suspect), just in general...a speaker that is "neutral" can at first appear a little "muted", for lack of a better word. I know I said this to you privately...and may have even said it in the forum before...but I always think of TVs for an analogy. When a TV is in the showroom, they crank the Brightness and Contrast wayyy up. They want it to pop, when you're looking at a wall of 30 TV sets...and that's what people think of as a "good" picture. It's not, lol! It's terribly inaccurate. If they ever buy themselves a calibration disc, and all that Brightness and Contrast comes wayyy down...at first, it can seem less "vibrant". But as your eyes adjust, you realize you actually see more detail properly adjusted...not less; and it's really a better picture, with less fatigue and assault on the eyes.
I think of the Dyns the same way; and the same thing happened to me, with C-J gear for example. At first, it's great and "smooth", and "warm"...but you might think "hmm, little dark; little dull". But if you really listen, it's not; all the detail is there...in spades. It just doesn't hit you over the head. IDK; you'll decide, but I hope and think you'll love them. wink.gif I miss them already. frown.gif
Well CD that was very well said and I have to agree with you 110% on that. The comparison with the TV's is spot on. wink.gif
post #18032 of 19646
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Originally Posted by zibanez View Post

Hi guys,
Does anyone have or listened Dynaudio DM 2/6?
How does it performance, especially compare to excite series x12? Does it have a big difference in terms bass, mid, hi, or clarity?
Thanks
the dm2/6s compare pretty close to the X12s but dont have as much resolution in the tweeter and the X12s have better parts in the crossover and a nicer real wood finish.
post #18033 of 19646
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Ahh; I miss them already frown.gif Take care old friends.

CD you assigned human feelings to them too? When i sold my C1's I felt i "betrayed" them haha
post #18034 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

CD you assigned human feelings to them too? When i sold my C1's I felt i "betrayed" them haha

My wife does that with our cars. When we go on a road trip in my car, she talks like her car feels betrayed by the whole thing.
post #18035 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

CD you assigned human feelings to them too? When i sold my C1's I felt i "betrayed" them haha

Well...I did say "last speaker I would ever own". That doesn't sound like "til death do us part" to you? wink.gif

Maybe that's why I kept a little piece of them, in the Stand4s?
post #18036 of 19646
Hey CD,
What speakers are you on the hunt for now?
post #18037 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

CD you assigned human feelings to them too? When i sold my C1's I felt i "betrayed" them haha

Ditto my S1.4s. Spent a lot of great time with those.
post #18038 of 19646
Does anyone use the Dynaudio Excite x12's in a 5.1 home theater setup with a subwoofer? If so, can they handle the dynamics at "exciting" levels? I'm looking to upgrade to a more refined sound. The entry level Paradigms are wearing on my ears. Looking to add an HSU VTF15 or two as well. Family use leans heavily to movies and tv, although the older I get I find myself appreciating stereo music much more.

Equipment:

Marantz 6007
Sony PS3
Panasonic GT55
Paradigm Monitor 7, CC370, ADP 370 Surrounds, PW2200
post #18039 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Miketeavee View Post

Does anyone use the Dynaudio Excite x12's in a 5.1 home theater setup with a subwoofer? If so, can they handle the dynamics at "exciting" levels? I'm looking to upgrade to a more refined sound. The entry level Paradigms are wearing on my ears. Looking to add an HSU VTF15 or two as well. Family use leans heavily to movies and tv, although the older I get I find myself appreciating stereo music much more.
Equipment:
Marantz 6007
Sony PS3
Panasonic GT55
Paradigm Monitor 7, CC370, ADP 370 Surrounds, PW2200

Hmm...not trying to talk you out of new speakers, which are always fun, but if you are not currently using a sub, and you are planning to get one anyway, I think the first thing to do is add a sub to your current setup, which will take a lot of work off of the receiver when you cross it over at 80Hz. See if the sound doesn't become cleaner and more dynamic.

Also...have you tried adding a separate power amp for at least the three front channels? The reason I ask is that if you are using only the Marantz receiver to try to achieve "exciting" levels, the amps in the receiver may be an issue. The 6007 is a fine receiver, but most receivers are rated into two channels only, and when you are cranking 5 channels at high levels, the power is split up between the channels. Thus, a receiver rated at 100 watts/channel may only deliver 30 watts/channel into 5 channels at high levels. I noticed in the specs that the 6007 is rated to be able to drive 6 ohm loads, but the distortion goes up to 10% at high output levels.

All this being said, I do believe the soft dome tweeters of the X12s will be an improvement over the Pardigms, but most people here do recommend a separate power amp for driving Dynaudios, so it does make some sense to try out a separate amp on the Paradigms anyway.
post #18040 of 19646
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

Hmm...not trying to talk you out of new speakers, which are always fun, but if you are not currently using a sub, and you are planning to get one anyway, I think the first thing to do is add a sub to your current setup, which will take a lot of work off of the receiver when you cross it over at 80Hz. See if the sound doesn't become cleaner and more dynamic.
Also...have you tried adding a separate power amp for at least the three front channels? The reason I ask is that if you are using only the Marantz receiver to try to achieve "exciting" levels, the amps in the receiver may be an issue. The 6007 is a fine receiver, but most receivers are rated into two channels only, and when you are cranking 5 channels at high levels, the power is split up between the channels. Thus, a receiver rated at 100 watts/channel may only deliver 30 watts/channel into 5 channels at high levels. I noticed in the specs that the 6007 is rated to be able to drive 6 ohm loads, but the distortion goes up to 10% at high output levels.
All this being said, I do believe the soft dome tweeters of the X12s will be an improvement over the Pardigms, but most people here do recommend a separate power amp for driving Dynaudios, so it does make some sense to try out a separate amp on the Paradigms anyway.

I'm sorry, I should have made it more clear that I am currently using a sub (that's the PW2200 under equipment).

That's good advice regarding the external amp. I've often felt that could be the culprit since we moved into our new house, which has a cavernous family room. I've been looking at adding a 3 channel (200 watts per channel, all channels driven) for the the LCR, and letting the Marantz handle the two surrounds.

Thanks again for the advice. I would like to hear someones take on the Excites x12's dynamics in a home theater environment if anyone has them setup that way.

Thanks!
post #18041 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Miketeavee View Post

Does anyone use the Dynaudio Excite x12's in a 5.1 home theater setup with a subwoofer? If so, can they handle the dynamics at "exciting" levels? I'm looking to upgrade to a more refined sound. The entry level Paradigms are wearing on my ears. Looking to add an HSU VTF15 or two as well. Family use leans heavily to movies and tv, although the older I get I find myself appreciating stereo music much more.
Equipment:
Marantz 6007
Sony PS3
Panasonic GT55
Paradigm Monitor 7, CC370, ADP 370 Surrounds, PW2200
I used to use the X16s for HT and 2-ch with the X22 Center. I still have the center channel, but I have Focus 160s now. However, the Excites will play loud at least loud enough for me and my family uses. I watch a lot of movies and never had a complaint with them not presenting a real feel to the sound tracks. I ran the X16s large for a long time becuase it sounded fuller and they never had any issue bottoming out or distorting. Even with movies like Immortals where Poseidon crashes into the sea to create that huge wave, and there were many other heavy sceens that tested the speakers the X16s pulled thru really well. My thoughts would be if you uses either your Paradigm 2200 sub or got a Hsu sub, you would be fine, Id crossover the X12s to about 80hz but you could go higher if you wanted. The Marantz should do OK powering the Excites, I used my Integra 40.2 for a long time on its own until I got a Naim Integrated Amp and the Integra did OK as well. The IA helped improve dynamics but really improved things musically. I wouldnt say you have to have an amp right away, but it would probably be good down the line.
post #18042 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Miketeavee View Post

I'm sorry, I should have made it more clear that I am currently using a sub (that's the PW2200 under equipment).
That's good advice regarding the external amp. I've often felt that could be the culprit since we moved into our new house, which has a cavernous family room. I've been looking at adding a 3 channel (200 watts per channel, all channels driven) for the the LCR, and letting the Marantz handle the two surrounds.
Thanks again for the advice. I would like to hear someones take on the Excites x12's dynamics in a home theater environment if anyone has them setup that way.
Thanks!
paradigms are known for being a little brighter sounding, perhaps room treatments would go a long ways in terms of taming the highs more then anything. adding an amp will take some of the stress off the avr's front channel amp and might add some clarity with less distortion possibly, but it will also add more headroom when you want to play loudly.
post #18043 of 19646
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

CD you assigned human feelings to them too? When i sold my C1's I felt i "betrayed" them haha

Well...I did say "last speaker I would ever own". That doesn't sound like "til death do us part" to you? wink.gif

Maybe that's why I kept a little piece of them, in the Stand4s?

Firing up CD's Bordeaux's as of this writing. Positioned 2 feet away from the back wall, 8 feet apart with 10-15 degree toe-in, sounding very very good. smile.gif Very natural and sound huge!
post #18044 of 19646
For anyone interested in a quick report on the Esotar2 upgrades to my Contour S3.4 speakers. I figure I am at around 150 hours on the tweeters. Everything sounds fantastic and I now feel like I have what was missing for me. I don't see the need to change anything. I can go from Renaissance lute music at low volume, to 50s jazz at moderate volume, to orchestral music at higher volume and it all sounds perfectly dialed in. Along with my turntable this is the best change I've made to the system. I finally have a system that can cope with large scale orchestral music. That is a very difficult feat to achieve.

And they are still getting better as they break in more.
post #18045 of 19646
Did you ever consider adding those tweeters to the S1.4's?
post #18046 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Randyman View Post

Did you ever consider adding those tweeters to the S1.4's?
Not really. It's just not cost effective for the S1.4s. I knew I wanted to move to the S3.4s anyway. Great as the S1.4s are they had to go as part of my mission to get a big sound from orchestral music.
post #18047 of 19646
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Firing up CD's Bordeaux's as of this writing. Positioned 2 feet away from the back wall, 8 feet apart with 10-15 degree toe-in, sounding very very good. smile.gif Very natural and sound huge!

Welcome home! wink.gif
post #18048 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

CD you assigned human feelings to them too? When i sold my C1's I felt i "betrayed" them haha

Man, you two disappoint me, I've had my C1s since 2006 and it really feels like 'til death. smile.gif Bought them from Tyler too.
post #18049 of 19646
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Originally Posted by will1066 View Post

Man, you two disappoint me, I've had my C1s since 2006 and it really feels like 'til death. smile.gif Bought them from Tyler too.

well I've been on a steady upgrade path these last four years but I'm nearly at the pinnacle with the c4, I don't see anywhere else i can go at this point that doesn't have Evidence in the model designation, maybe the next would be a lateral move either to a Wilson WATT Puppy or an Egglestonworks Andra III or I could take CD's path and simplify my system.biggrin.gif
post #18050 of 19646
Never heard the Egglestons, but the Wilsons, Ive heard many of them, and I just dont get why people like them. i guess different strokes... different folks.
post #18051 of 19646
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Firing up CD's Bordeaux's as of this writing. Positioned 2 feet away from the back wall, 8 feet apart with 10-15 degree toe-in, sounding very very good. smile.gif Very natural and sound huge!

Welcome home! wink.gif

Thanks, CD. This maybe excitement for new speakers talking, but I'm puzzled by your "downsizing" after I heard these. wink.gif I'm literally listening all day since 1pm...
post #18052 of 19646
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

Never heard the Egglestons, but the Wilsons, Ive heard many of them, and I just dont get why people like them. i guess different strokes... different folks.

You're not the only one, a lot of people hate Wilson but I'm ok with them, but the last time I heard a pair of Wilson speakers was 2009 when I was living with the Andra 2s and the speaker I heard was the Sophia 2 which is arguable Wilsons' most musical speaker. I should have added Revel to my list biggrin.gif
post #18053 of 19646
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

the dm2/6s compare pretty close to the X12s but dont have as much resolution in the tweeter and the X12s have better parts in the crossover and a nicer real wood finish.

Hi Callas01 thanks for reply,
I'm planning to use it for home theater and mix it with Def Tech Pro center 1000. But "im doubt my AVR can drive this speaker. I have marantz NR 1402 with 75w/6ohm perchannel
post #18054 of 19646
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Originally Posted by zibanez View Post

Hi Callas01 thanks for reply,
I'm planning to use it for home theater and mix it with Def Tech Pro center 1000. But "im doubt my AVR can drive this speaker. I have marantz NR 1402 with 75w/6ohm perchannel

I would think that the Marantz could do a decent job powering the DM2/6s. While it might not be the most powerful the 2/6s are one of the easiest dynaudios to power. I would see if you could do a demo and either take your 1402 to the dealer or see if you can demo the 2/6s in home
post #18055 of 19646
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

You're not the only one, a lot of people hate Wilson but I'm ok with them, but the last time I heard a pair of Wilson speakers was 2009 when I was living with the Andra 2s and the speaker I heard was the Sophia 2 which is arguable Wilsons' most musical speaker. I should have added Revel to my list biggrin.gif
Its not that I hate them, they just dont seem to be worth the asking price. My Dyn dealer sells Wilson and Revel also, and the Revels are quite good, not a big fan of the Gem2 it seems to have no usable output below 60 hz and Id take the C1s over that anyday. The Wison Duette would be my favorite of wilson speakers, but Id still go with the C1s. The other thing about wilson I find interesting is they use all focal drivers and tweeters(except the duette) and they dont even use the Be tweeters, they use the titanium ones, yet they charge so much for them, where Focal uses the Be and has similar prices.
post #18056 of 19646
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Originally Posted by will1066 View Post

Man, you two disappoint me, I've had my C1s since 2006 and it really feels like 'til death. smile.gif Bought them from Tyler too.
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

well I've been on a steady upgrade path these last four years but I'm nearly at the pinnacle with the c4, I don't see anywhere else i can go at this point that doesn't have Evidence in the model designation, maybe the next would be a lateral move either to a Wilson WATT Puppy or an Egglestonworks Andra III or I could take CD's path and simplify my system.biggrin.gif

C4s... well then lol
post #18057 of 19646
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Thanks, CD. This maybe excitement for new speakers talking, but I'm puzzled by your "downsizing" after I heard these. wink.gif I'm literally listening all day since 1pm...

It would take me several pages to explain, and you might need a PhD in Psycho-analysis to understand, lol; but it has nothing...absolutely nothing...to do with the C1s not being great speakers in some way.

Glad you're enjoying them! biggrin.gif
post #18058 of 19646
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Originally Posted by will1066 View Post

Man, you two disappoint me, I've had my C1s since 2006 and it really feels like 'til death. smile.gif Bought them from Tyler too.
I know what you mean. I said the same thing but then came the MKII/Sig. I actually bought Tylers from the first shipment without even hearing them. eek.gif I made a great choice and still thank Tyler. Since I rarely listen at higher volumes my only complaint with the originals was you had to crank them to sound their best. The MKII/Sig took care of that. Unless an Evidence monitor comes out that is much better than my Sigs I say again - they are my last speakers. wink.gif
post #18059 of 19646
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

I know what you mean. I said the same thing but then came the MKII/Sig. I actually bought Tylers from the first shipment without even hearing them. eek.gif I made a great choice and still thank Tyler. Since I rarely listen at higher volumes my only complaint with the originals was you had to crank them to sound their best. The MKII/Sig took care of that. Unless an Evidence monitor comes out that is much better than my Sigs I say again - they are my last speakers. wink.gif

I would say the C2 are my last speaker, but since I can't spend any more money on HiFi, the Contour S3.4e2 are my last speaker. I have no problem with that whatsoever. biggrin.gif
post #18060 of 19646
Hello. I may finally get some focus 160's for Christmas.

I am liking class d ampflication.

Is the bel canto c5i a good match for them. It is cheaper than my other choice of a nad c390dd.
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