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post #18181 of 21616
Have you checked the speaker wire polarity? Sounds silly but start simple. Easy way to check unhook one speaker. Does it sound better,? Now do the other one. If only bad when both playing flip polarity on one of them.
post #18182 of 21616
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Originally Posted by prolle View Post

budget of $2000 max, thanks
For Naim the nait 5i like I have is $1650 USD list, I really like the unit it has power and bass drive plus very good musical flow.
post #18183 of 21616
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Originally Posted by JeffNebraska View Post

Could this not have resulted from simply asking the 200c to play a 25hz signal too loudly?
cone excursion rises as you go lower in frequency. and there is a limit to how much it can move. in extreme conditions the voice coil can hit the bottom plate. I have no idea if the Dynaudio drivers are designed to prevent this from happening but mind that you really don't want to play sines on your speakers. power ratings are expressed with real music which rarely contains high level sines. you can fry a tweeter in a matter of seconds even if the theoretical power limit of that speaker is not exceeded. a tweeter capable of withstanding the full rated power of a speaker would need to be a very weird, expensive and useless contraption.

regarding subwoofers. I once read a well documented article which said that subs can be used to compensate for unwanted room modes. don't have any practical experience with that but maybe worth investigating.

one other advantage when using a sub with the mains high-pass filtered is that the speaker cone displacement will be lowered, decreasing midrange distortion.

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Originally Posted by motobonsai View Post

I am intrigued by this empirical synchro-mesh reclocker. Does this help a lot for Apple TV and squeezebox? I have and love both.
I have a pure musical enjoyment regenerator for sale, really a bargain at 20k. sorry, couldn't help it biggrin.gif

Empirical Audio is the name of the brand who makes the reclocker and I can't see how it can improve anything but the D/A conversion.

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Originally Posted by zamboniman View Post

Have you checked the speaker wire polarity? Sounds silly but start simple. Easy way to check unhook one speaker. Does it sound better,? Now do the other one. If only bad when both playing flip polarity on one of them.
will all due respect, I am convinced that anyone not noticing wrong polarity in a matter of seconds should really consider moving on to other hobbies.

my experience with my Confidence 3's is that an anemic amp can make them sound bright, forward with no real bass and zero soundstage/imaging. I will go out on a limb and say that if a renowned world-class speaker seems to sound like crap and the cables are considered the likely offenders, the snake oil industry has won, period.
post #18184 of 21616
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

For Naim the nait 5i like I have is $1650 USD list, I really like the unit it has power and bass drive plus very good musical flow.

Ok so it's between the 5i, XS, and Unilite.

I understand that the 5i and XS are both just integrated amps, is the XS worth the extra $$?

Then, the XS and Unilite are similarly priced - is it not a "no brainer" to go with the Unilite as it offers built in DAC / CD player etc?
Does the XS sound that much bettter?

Thanks
post #18185 of 21616
Theres better circuitry in the XS and a larger more powerful powersupply and a little more watts. The sound's a little warmer then the 5i. The Unitilite would have basically the same power section of the 5i and combines the CD5i into one unit, with some extra features. IMO, it would be a good way to go.
post #18186 of 21616
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Originally Posted by prolle View Post

budget of $2000 max, thanks
Then I would strongly consider CD's NAIT XS. They run around $2700 retail, and you can save roughly $1K on the used market. You can also upgrade one with an external PSU and /or amp. If you want new, then the NAIT 5i at around $1800 MSRP is an excellent choice as well.
post #18187 of 21616
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Originally Posted by prolle View Post

Ok so it's between the 5i, XS, and Unilite.
I understand that the 5i and XS are both just integrated amps, is the XS worth the extra $$?
Then, the XS and Unilite are similarly priced - is it not a "no brainer" to go with the Unilite as it offers built in DAC / CD player etc?
Does the XS sound that much bettter?
Thanks

The UnitiLite is a bit out of your stated budget, at around $3K. Finding one used will be challenging since it is do new. It is based on the amp and preamp section of the Nait 5i, adds a CD transport, as well as digital streaming and internet radio. I would say if you can push your budget towards it, you could be well-rewarded. I had the UnitiQute (another possibility at $2500, but less power and no CD) and it sounded excellent.

If you aren't in need of the digital front end features, the XS is an outstanding performer, and one of Naim's best buys.
post #18188 of 21616
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Guys, I'm going to have to limit my comments on this situation...because to be honest, I'm too close and distraught over it. No one wants to hear, that a buyer...who purchased their $8500, world-class speakers...thinks they sound like "a stock, cheap car stereo". eek.gif
The speakers were certainly well broken-in. This pair was broken-in...new, out-of-the-box...by Dynaudio for CES; and used by Clearaudio at their booth (where I'm going to assume, no one thought it sounded like stock, cheap car-audio; see...too close to it, lol). Then...they were played by me, regularly, for around the 8 months or so I owned them. I don't track listening hours (and never understood how any of you do), but I should think these are easily past any break-in thresholds.
Now...they did sit "cold" for quite some time (a month or better?), before shipping (and of course, went through a coast-to-coast journey). Perhaps they're going through a mini re-break-in; where they went from sounding good to bad? (though I'm not sure how much I buy into that theory...but there's the info, fwiw).
The tricky part here...and Khin, I ask rhetorically and really more for the benefit of the group; because as I said...while I'm willing to "help" with info, I'm going to have to distance myself from this a bit. I don't understand why they didn't sound like "a stock, cheap car stereo" out of the box? I mean, surely...if I were waiting on world-class, $8500 speakers; if anything, my expectations would be most high on first play. I might be expecting pure honey to come pouring from the drivers, and if it didn't; well...I could see a let-down at first. But it seems as if you're saying they sounded great to you at first...but have "stepped-back" somehow? I'm at a loss. confused.gif
My first thought would be a cross-over or driver must be damaged (does one speaker sound "better" than the other?); but again...wouldn't you have heard that on the first, few sessions? I'd love to think that this is simply mini re-break-in; that it's a temporary set-back, and all will sound glorious to you again with a few more hours time. I'd also tend to agree with jaxwired, that it's more likely a synergy problem; though I just can't see Pass having an issue (then again, 30 watts is pretty paltry with a speaker like this; were your 1008BEs simply much more sensitive?).
I'd also love to be able to say "ah; just change a cable or two"; but again...I'm not sure a cable here or there, magically takes you from "a stock, cheap car stereo", to not. Maybe new friends? J/K (I really am too close to comment on this, lol). I'll be watching, of course; but please don't take my lack of comments moving forward, to be lack of concern.

CD, understood. Relax. It has nothing to do with the speakers coming from you. They work fine mechanically. Maybe the re-break-in, maybe the synergy or maybe something else. But as far as I can tell they work fine as the way they are intended mechanically/electronically. smile.gif But if you notice, I didn't say "C1s sound like cheap speakers", but the system as a whole sounds bright/grainy.

Probably I should have said my line of reasoning. C1s are superb in detail retrieval, yes? More so than Focal 1008Be's for sure. I think switching in the C1s might have unmasked some shortcomings in the chain that were hidden previously in my system.

This is very similar to a situation when I had 1008Be's+Bryston 4BSST2 (500wpc into 4 ohm). To each his own, but 1008Be's+Pass XA30.5 (60wpc into 4 ohm) was the cure at the time.

I do believe in cables, but only in a way that they are part of the system and they do need to work well with other electronics to sound good. I have not tried many ICs, but one big eye opener I had with SCs is when switching in Grover Zx over my cheapo Tributaries. It's not night and day, but it's more like Mordor vs. Shire. cool.gif It is also not to justify the Grover Zx purchase. Hack, it's $300 for an 8-foot pair SC with 60-day money back guaranteed in-home trial (To me, it doesn't get better than that. In fact, I think Grover should charge more). I also had another cable experiment when I started my system with Paradigm Monitor+Integra AVR, but didn't notice any difference at the time. BTW, I have Shunyata Venom3 PC on amp, pre and source (as I understand, SS electronics do not "transfer" the signal from one stage to another, the signal is recreated through its power supply and ground at each stage).

So, yes, ICs are my first step. Next up...maybe the source. Amplifications are fine, no doubt about it.

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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

What you are describing sounds like they are NOT broken in yet.. I would doubt the cables too. The Pass XA30.5 should be adequate power. Again with my original C1's between 100 ans 150 hrs they sounded horrible. At 250 hrs they started to sound very good but it wasn't until I hit 350 - 400 hrs did they start to sound great again. When they sounded bad the bass dropped out - the mids got very 'honky' sounding and the highs seemed to have disappeared. eek.gif With the Sig's I swapped electronics 3 times during the break in (450 hrs) before putting the Octave and Meridian back in. Had my Yamaha CDX1030 with a Bryston 3BSST and some adcom pre (pretty lame combo). So I can't say if the break in time was different. Also being impatient I ran the C1's and Sig's 7/24 for 450 hrs. Also my system is on twice a day for usually 2 hrs then when I get home 3 - 5 hrs. Weekends 8 - 10 hrs a day. So Khin give them at least 50 or better 100 hrs more. Per Tyler and Mick the C1's have the hardest time breaking in. Not sure but maybe the time in the turtle express shipment they reverted back to new sounding confused.gif
CD you mentioned they were broken in and was wondering exactly how many hrs you had on them?

I'd doubt it is the break-in. But running in regardless. I sure hope it is the break-in.

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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

Why don't you post your ARC frequency response charts? I'd start looking at your in room response before spending anymore money, especially on cables.

Will do. I haven't gotten around doing that just yet. It's always been part of the plan.

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Originally Posted by motobonsai View Post

I am intrigued by this empirical synchro-mesh reclocker. Does this help a lot for Apple TV and squeezebox? I have and love both.

If you're around San Jose CA, I'm happy to loan you a day or two. If not, Steve from Empirical offers 30-day trial.

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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

Empirical Audio is the name of the brand who makes the reclocker and I can't see how it can improve anything but the D/A conversion.
will all due respect, I am convinced that anyone not noticing wrong polarity in a matter of seconds should really consider moving on to other hobbies.
my experience with my Confidence 3's is that an anemic amp can make them sound bright, forward with no real bass and zero soundstage/imaging. I will go out on a limb and say that if a renowned world-class speaker seems to sound like crap and the cables are considered the likely offenders, the snake oil industry has won, period.

Thanks for the help. I guess the entire semiconductor industry came up with the terms such as "jitter", "slew rate", "RC time constant", "PSRR" just to screw with us. We're doomed. At least I am. eek.gif
Edited by kzhtoo - 12/26/12 at 1:50pm
post #18189 of 21616
KZhtoo

I think ur right it's a matter of synergy between components and speakers
post #18190 of 21616
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Thanks for the help. I guess the entire semiconductor industry came up with the terms such as "jitter", "slew rate", "RC time constant", "PSRR" just to screw with us. We're doomed. At least I am. eek.gif
what do time constants, jitter and rejection ratio have to do with this?

if I were to be really blunt I'd say that anyone who orders cables, without even listening to them and before investigating other causes, just because he/she thinks the problem is there is not doomed but has fallen victim to marketing.
post #18191 of 21616
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

CD, understood. Relax. It has nothing to do with the speakers coming from you...if you notice, I didn't say "C1s sound like cheap speakers", but the system as a whole sounds bright/grainy.

Kzhtoo, my "concern" has nothing to do with feeling...nor feeling like you are placing any...blame. The speakers are great, I'm happy they arrived safe; and baring any unforeseen, internal damage...whether you warm to them or not is entirely your prerogative. If you had said "huh; I'm not as impressed as I had hoped to be"...I would have shrugged it off, and waited to see if you took to them or not.

Not to seem like a broken record...but sounds like "a stock, cheap car stereo" did get my attention. Maybe it was just hyperbole; and yes, I see you are now clarifying it's as likely a synergy issue, and the system as a whole that sounds "off"...but I still wish it weren't so. No one wants to buy a piece of gear, that turns their system upside-down; re-building around a new piece...that's the tail wagging the dog for sure.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

KZhtoo
I think ur right it's a matter of synergy between components and speakers

Man, I sure hope so. Good luck.
Edited by CDLehner - 12/26/12 at 3:19pm
post #18192 of 21616
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Then I would strongly consider CD's NAIT XS. They run around $2700 retail, and you can save roughly $1K on the used market. You can also upgrade one with an external PSU and /or amp. If you want new, then the NAIT 5i at around $1800 MSRP is an excellent choice as well.

Prolle, obviously I have a dog in this fight...so you can take this with a grain of salt if you like. That being said, I'm not such a scumbag that I would lie...just to move a piece of gear, that's going to sell anyway. These guys will tell you...in private if you like; I've bought and sold plenty of stuff, and have the abundant and perfect feedback to prove it.

So...with that disclaimer out of the way, let me give you my honest take. Callas might disagree...though he's said the XS does have "better" circuitry...but when I was trying to decide between the 5i (i or i-2), the Naim guys that I sought-out, ALL agreed the XS(-2) was worth the extra $$$ (if you have them of course). Now, you can take that with a grain of salt too; because most fan(atics) of a brand, will always lead you to higher ground; present company NOT excluded. wink.gif

Second, as I think I stated recently...as a long-time, all-digital, one-source guy; the DAC is of paramount importance in my chain (as I always like to say...it is my source). Therefore, I'm not a fan of the "built-in". The DAC in the Naim units is probably quite good; but there's really no way to tell, is there; no way to sort of measure or audition it on its own? The only way to hear it...is to have it forever and always, tied to the Naim pre-amp. What if in 2 years, they completely f*cking revolutionize DACs, lol. It's emerging technology, so not nearly as far-fetched as it might seem. Certainly, strides are happening fast and furiously; and I just wouldn't want to be "locked-in", to even what is a very good-sounding DAC right now. Of course, YMMV.

Lastly, I will say this...again, with all candor and honesty: the XS-2 is a unit, that new would be well out of your budget. Sure, ~$700 over doesn't sound like much...especially when you're talking 4-figures; but it does represent a 35% overage. That's no small amount. This XS-2 is "as new"; purchased new in 9/2012, and barely used...given the circumstances (first owner immediately upgraded to Naim separates, and I simply auditioned it against a much more expensive contender). Hell...it might even need some break-in, lol.

I think this would give you a unit you couldn't otherwise afford, and is the absolute perfect match for Focus 160s (without sounding like an a**, higher up the Dyn chain, you're probably outclassing it...any lower, you might be outclassing the speakers, lol eek.gif). That's my 3-cents, FWIW; but listen to these guys...again, privately if you want. The XS-2 was a little too warm, for my Harbeth Compact 7s; I'd LOVE to hear it, with the reportedly... slightly tipped-up...new Focus 160s!

You know how to contact me if interested.
post #18193 of 21616
In response to the C1's being bright or Grainy I can tell you that I have heard them in a setup where I thought the same thing. Halcro pre-pro and amplification brought them to where I did not prefer the overall system. I did use a Bryston 3BST to decent results with my Contour 1.3MKII's. I have since sold that amp and am using an Earthquake Cinenova Grande 5 with great results. I agree the PASS amp SHOULD be ample based on it's build quality, with that said if I was in your position I would be inclined to substitute the amp first (perhaps one of those friends who thought it sounded like a Sparkomatic has a quality amp you can borrow to A/B and if not then I would take their input with a true grain of salt). I have only owned the Focus 140's, 1.3 MKII's, and now the 1.4's, and I can tell tell you that based on moving through these speakers, Amp headroom and manufacturer DID play a role in how much I liked them and the results I achieved. Much more so than a pre-pro or cable change. At least that was my experience, YMMV and batteries are not included.

Best of luck, I feel sure that the C1's will be able to please you, it's just a matter of being able to find the supporting components that allow them to do that.
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

will all due respect, I am convinced that anyone not noticing wrong polarity in a matter of seconds should really consider moving on to other hobbies.

That's pretty funny...; but there are sometimes sooo many factors to consider, it's hard to figure why something sounds "off" to you. I was in the midst of a 3-IA shoot-out...and at the same time, I also tried a new DAC. During one audition (the NAIM Nait XS-2 as it happens, lol) I was immediately struck by how something sounded "off". It didn't sound "bad" per se; but just "weird". Was it the amp, the DAC...synergy, break-in, lol.

I got lucky; the new DAC actually has a balance control...and I was just playing around with it, and "testing" it. SOAB; my speakers were reversed! I checked the ICs, and then I panicked; the damn DAC was programmed backwards. Turns out the culprit was the NAIM; damn Brits put the left speaker terminal on the right, and vice-versa...at least as you're standing over it. It's probably "proper", if you think about it...but the opposite of every other piece of gear that I've owned IIRC.

In any case; I'm pretty proud of the fact that I picked up on it right away. But we're a self-doubting group, right? It's hard...when everyone else thinks something sounds great, to man-up and say "I don't get it". We start thinking "it must be the cables", lol.
post #18195 of 21616
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Prolle, obviously I have a dog in this fight...so you can take this with a grain of salt if you like. That being said, I'm not such a scumbag that I would lie...just to move a piece of gear, that's going to sell anyway. These guys will tell you...in private if you like; I've bought and sold plenty of stuff, and have the abundant and perfect feedback to prove it.
So...with that disclaimer out of the way, let me give you my honest take. Callas might disagree...though he's said the XS does have "better" circuitry...but when I was trying to decide between the 5i (i or i-2), the Naim guys that I sought-out, ALL agreed the XS(-2) was worth the extra $$$ (if you have them of course). Now, you can take that with a grain of salt too; because most fan(atics) of a brand, will always lead you to higher ground; present company NOT excluded. wink.gif
Second, as I think I stated recently...as a long-time, all-digital, one-source guy; the DAC is of paramount importance in my chain (as I always like to say...it is my source). Therefore, I'm not a fan of the "built-in". The DAC in the Naim units is probably quite good; but there's really no way to tell, is there; no way to sort of measure or audition it on its own? The only way to hear it...is to have it forever and always, tied to the Naim pre-amp. What if in 2 years, they completely f*cking revolutionize DACs, lol. It's emerging technology, so not nearly as far-fetched as it might seem. Certainly, strides are happening fast and furiously; and I just wouldn't want to be "locked-in", to even what is a very good-sounding DAC right now. Of course, YMMV.
Lastly, I will say this...again, with all candor and honesty: the XS-2 is a unit, that new would be well out of your budget. Sure, ~$700 over doesn't sound like much...especially when you're talking 4-figures; but it does represent a 35% overage. That's no small amount. This XS-2 is "as new"; purchased new in 9/2012, and barely used...given the circumstances (first owner immediately upgraded to Naim separates, and I simply auditioned it against a much more expensive contender). Hell...it might even need some break-in, lol.
I think this would give you a unit you couldn't otherwise afford, and is the absolute perfect match for Focus 160s (without sounding like an a**, higher up the Dyn chain, you're probably outclassing it...any lower, you might be outclassing the speakers, lol eek.gif). That's my 3-cents, FWIW; but listen to these guys...again, privately if you want. The XS-2 was a little too warm, for my Harbeth Compact 7s; I'd LOVE to hear it, with the reportedly... slightly tipped-up...new Focus 160s!
You know how to contact me if interested.

I totally get your reasoning behind using an outboard dac. It makes sense.
So what dac do you recommend for the naim xs and the marantz 8004?
post #18196 of 21616
you mean left reversed with right?

concerning phase... one time I somehow managed to accidentally reverse the polarity on one speaker without being aware of it. chance had it that first song I listened to that way was completely unknown to me. first few seconds I thought "nice sound effects" but soon after I began thinking "I feel nauseous and damn me if i it's not the music". first thing I checked afterwards was polarity...
without any trace of exaggeration, out of phase speakers make me dizzy. I think it's the brain trying to localize sources in a sound that is completely unnatural. with a familiar song one should be able to notice it in a matter of seconds, I do believe that.
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Originally Posted by motobonsai View Post

I totally get your reasoning behind using an outboard dac. It makes sense.
So what dac do you recommend for the naim xs and the marantz 8004?

The 8004 player, is of little concern in this equation...IMO; as an outboard DAC is going to turn it into a transport, with little to no impact on sound (again, IMO). I have, of course, heard the XS first hand; what speakers do you have, and what kind of music do you listen to most?

We can take this private if you like. DAC talk is slightly OT here I guess.
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

you mean left reversed with right?
concerning phase... one time I somehow managed to accidentally reverse the polarity on one speaker without being aware of it. chance had it that first song I listened to that way was completely unknown to me. first few seconds I thought "nice sound effects" but soon after I began thinking "I feel nauseous and damn me if i it's not the music". first thing I checked afterwards was polarity...
without any trace of exaggeration, out of phase speakers make me dizzy. I think it's the brain trying to localize sources in a sound that is completely unnatural. with a familiar song one should be able to notice it in a matter of seconds, I do believe that.

Yes, I had the left terminal reversed with the right (but in absolute phase, lol. No small feat, as I had to remember...switching from C-J kit...that I didn't need to reverse one end!)

I think you deserve a golden-ear award. With the C-J, I've (deliberately) listen out of phase...and it didn't "confuse" me, lol. I mean that in a good way; that's one finely-tuned brain you have! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Prolle, obviously I have a dog in this fight...so you can take this with a grain of salt if you like. That being said, I'm not such a scumbag that I would lie...just to move a piece of gear, that's going to sell anyway. These guys will tell you...in private if you like; I've bought and sold plenty of stuff, and have the abundant and perfect feedback to prove it.
So...with that disclaimer out of the way, let me give you my honest take. Callas might disagree...though he's said the XS does have "better" circuitry...but when I was trying to decide between the 5i (i or i-2), the Naim guys that I sought-out, ALL agreed the XS(-2) was worth the extra $$$ (if you have them of course). Now, you can take that with a grain of salt too; because most fan(atics) of a brand, will always lead you to higher ground; present company NOT excluded. wink.gif
Second, as I think I stated recently...as a long-time, all-digital, one-source guy; the DAC is of paramount importance in my chain (as I always like to say...it is my source). Therefore, I'm not a fan of the "built-in". The DAC in the Naim units is probably quite good; but there's really no way to tell, is there; no way to sort of measure or audition it on its own? The only way to hear it...is to have it forever and always, tied to the Naim pre-amp. What if in 2 years, they completely f*cking revolutionize DACs, lol. It's emerging technology, so not nearly as far-fetched as it might seem. Certainly, strides are happening fast and furiously; and I just wouldn't want to be "locked-in", to even what is a very good-sounding DAC right now. Of course, YMMV.
Lastly, I will say this...again, with all candor and honesty: the XS-2 is a unit, that new would be well out of your budget. Sure, ~$700 over doesn't sound like much...especially when you're talking 4-figures; but it does represent a 35% overage. That's no small amount. This XS-2 is "as new"; purchased new in 9/2012, and barely used...given the circumstances (first owner immediately upgraded to Naim separates, and I simply auditioned it against a much more expensive contender). Hell...it might even need some break-in, lol.
I think this would give you a unit you couldn't otherwise afford, and is the absolute perfect match for Focus 160s (without sounding like an a**, higher up the Dyn chain, you're probably outclassing it...any lower, you might be outclassing the speakers, lol eek.gif). That's my 3-cents, FWIW; but listen to these guys...again, privately if you want. The XS-2 was a little too warm, for my Harbeth Compact 7s; I'd LOVE to hear it, with the reportedly... slightly tipped-up...new Focus 160s!
You know how to contact me if interested.

i would love to buy it but would not like to foot the bill of shipping to Ireland!
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Originally Posted by prolle View Post

i would love to buy it but would not like to foot the bill of shipping to Ireland!

Oh jeez; can't say as I blame you there. eek.gif
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Anybody have any thoughts on using an Oppo bdp 105 to function as a cd player and dac for music from my pc? Maybe i could partner this with a dedicated integrated amp? Reviews indicate that it gag great sound quality
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Can that Oppo stream music from your PC?
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Originally Posted by lulimet View Post

Can that Oppo stream music from your PC?

The 105 has inputs so other components can use the internal DAC. I think he's probably talking about USB from PC to Oppo. I've been intrigued by this player too but I have no experience with it.
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I like class d amplification from what I've auditioned so far.

Does anyone have any insight about bel canto?

Is the c5i integrated good enough for the focus 160's?

Or how about a dac/pre 1.5 with ref 1000mk amps?

The second setup is on audiogon now. I would prefer the all in one unless its not good enough.

Are both of these way below the quality of say the naim xs?
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Originally Posted by prolle View Post

Anybody have any thoughts on using an Oppo bdp 105 to function as a cd player and dac for music from my pc? Maybe i could partner this with a dedicated integrated amp? Reviews indicate that it gag great sound quality
yes, the oppo 105 can play files straight from your computer. you would use something like foobar or media monkey or whatever and output auido via USB to the Oppo, then it would play your files.
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Originally Posted by motobonsai View Post

I like class d amplification from what I've auditioned so far.
Does anyone have any insight about bel canto?
Is the c5i integrated good enough for the focus 160's?
Or how about a dac/pre 1.5 with ref 1000mk amps?
The second setup is on audiogon now. I would prefer the all in one unless its not good enough.
Are both of these way below the quality of say the naim xs?
Well I never listened to Bel Canto (great reviews from what I've read) but I did have a Naim XS-2 for 4 days (long story) with my C1 Signatures. The Naim is very musical and involving. I came ever so close to getting a Naim supernait but then I heard the Octave V70SE. Anyhow I'm saying the Naim XS-2 is a great sounding unit. To me the Octave is is another league along with it's window sticker. Try to audition a Naim if at all possible and bring your speakers to be sure. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by motobonsai View Post

I like class d amplification from what I've auditioned so far.
Does anyone have any insight about bel canto?
Is the c5i integrated good enough for the focus 160's?
Or how about a dac/pre 1.5 with ref 1000mk amps?
The second setup is on audiogon now. I would prefer the all in one unless its not good enough.
Are both of these way below the quality of say the naim xs?

Moto, what have you auditioned so far? I gave class-D a little sniff. My first taste was the uber-cheap PS Audio Trio A-100. I was looking at a Bel Canto S125, and a dealer who carried both, suggested the PSA was "better" (I remember his reasoning: he said in his mind, the amp sections sounded the same...both based on the same B&O module of course; and he thought the guys at PSA tweaked-up the input section a bit). That was way back when, with my Focus 140s...and I can't say I came away impressed.

I always wanted to give them another shot though, as I'm really enamored with the technology, if not the sound. I always said if I tried again, it would be to audition Wyred4Sound monos; probably SX-500s, right in the sweet spot. A friend suggested that a good deal, on a used ST-250 that popped-up, might give me an "idea" of the W4S sound. I'm not sure you can say the 125/220 unit, would let-on what 250/550 monos might sound like; but I was pretty damn impressed with what ~$500 IIRC could buy you.

FWIW, I don't remember the W4S (or even the PSA for that matter), ever sounding harsh...like you might expect class-D to; cold or harsh. Rather, it just didn't seem to have any life, or energy, or character to the sound; what I tend to call "dry". But I'd love to hear about good experiences with class-D. I still think someone will probably nail it in the future (Hypex NCore-based designs, like from Mola Mola?)
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Sorry Dyn'ers...and potential Naim'ers; you snooze you lose. The XS-2 is no longer for sale.

The guy who sold it to me, just had to have it back; and if that's not proof, of how good I tried to tell you it is...I don't know what else to say wink.gif
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Moto, what have you auditioned so far? I gave class-D a little sniff. My first taste was the uber-cheap PS Audio Trio A-100. I was looking at a Bel Canto S125, and a dealer who carried both, suggested the PSA was "better" (I remember his reasoning: he said in his mind, the amp sections sounded the same...both based on the same B&O module of course; and he thought the guys at PSA tweaked-up the input section a bit). That was way back when, with my Focus 140s...and I can't say I came away impressed.
I always wanted to give them another shot though, as I'm really enamored with the technology, if not the sound. I always said if I tried again, it would be to audition Wyred4Sound monos; probably SX-500s, right in the sweet spot. A friend suggested that a good deal, on a used ST-250 that popped-up, might give me an "idea" of the W4S sound. I'm not sure you can say the 125/220 unit, would let-on what 250/550 monos might sound like; but I was pretty damn impressed with what ~$500 IIRC could buy you.
FWIW, I don't remember the W4S (or even the PSA for that matter), ever sounding harsh...like you might expect class-D to; cold or harsh. Rather, it just didn't seem to have any life, or energy, or character to the sound; what I tend to call "dry". But I'd love to hear about good experiences with class-D. I still think someone will probably nail it in the future (Hypex NCore-based designs, like from Mola Mola?)

Hey there. Pretty much the only class d I have heard was a pioneer class d avr I don't remember which model. And the nad c390dd.
I was not really paying much attention to the sound when I heard the pioneer. I was caught up in getting all the new fancy bells and whistles that they brand all avr's with. I was very new to all this hifi stuff (I still am). But I remember that was the first piece that made me go hmm that sounds good. Maybe I should get a little more into this sound stuff. Since that time I have been looking at more high end stuff. But then I came across the nad, and wow, I loved the sound. It was crystal clear with no background noise. If that is dry I guess I like dry. But for me it was a vivid and clear separation of each instrument and vocal that all at once at the same time was one whole piece of music. I loved the nad but its at the high end of my budget. Especially once I get the focus 160's. That's what I'm interested in other class d amps like the bel canto which is cheaper and better looking. Plus just like the bells and whistles of the avr scene. I get caught up in the specs and reviews of this hi fi stuff. I'm so indecisive.
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Hi,
OctaDyn is right. It seems to be the break-in issue with my C1 Sigs. After 40 hours of continuous playing, it's sounding pretty good right now. I guess after a month and half of being "cold", it needs to "re-break-in" again. No idea why and I'm very puzzled by this (maybe crossover needs to re-break-in?) I dismissed the break-in as issue initially but I went ahead and did it anyway and glad that I did. So, it's not the ICs, my amp nor the source. lol Will continue to break-in some more.
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