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post #18451 of 19350
1/21/13 at 7:15am
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I know what you mean, I've had the c4's for a year now and like them more than any other Dyne speaker I've had but at the same time I'd like to listen to a new pair to get a new perspective on music. I'd love to try Revel or a british brand.

I think there's a lot of good gear out there. Even a hobbyist like myself...who isn't afraid to mix it up and try new stuff (and that's changed of late)...doesn't want to be constantly tinkering. For the last 6 years...the 6 years I consider to be my most "serious", in terms of committing money to the passion...I've been happy to love Dynaudio speakers, have them be the foundation of my system...and be willing to change almost everything else. Some take just the opposite approach; they have electronics they like...and they keep that as the constant, and experiment with speakers. It's all good!

Dyns are great; I spent 6 years with them exclusively, trying the stand-mount in just about every line. But when I heard Harbeths...they were like the steak to Dyn's lobster; or lobster to Dyn's steak. Both really, really good...but different; and one is welcome after sort of nothing but the other. I think the point I'm trying to make is...you tend to hear the same names, time and time again. I've told the story...about how when I was looking for "the best", many names came up; everyone will have their own idea. But Dynaudio...in that search...came up more than any other. Not only that; but the people who talked about them...didn't just say "buy Dynaudio; it's what I have". They talked about the speaker with passion; they...as I see in this forum everyday...truly loved their speakers.

You can't say that of every brand; but from my perspective, I do get the same thing from Harbeth owners, PMC...a few other brands. Again; there are certain brands that command this kind of response, and I think that can't be ignored. Who wouldn't want to sample speakers like that?
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post #18452 of 19350
1/21/13 at 9:51am
the noise without cable connected is normal with every amp and the distortion too if you exceed the max input level.
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post #18453 of 19350
1/21/13 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I think there's a lot of good gear out there. Even a hobbyist like myself...who isn't afraid to mix it up and try new stuff (and that's changed of late)...doesn't want to be constantly tinkering. For the last 6 years...the 6 years I consider to be my most "serious", in terms of committing money to the passion...I've been happy to love Dynaudio speakers, have them be the foundation of my system...and be willing to change almost everything else. Some take just the opposite approach; they have electronics they like...and they keep that as the constant, and experiment with speakers. It's all good!

Dyns are great; I spent 6 years with them exclusively, trying the stand-mount in just about every line. But when I heard Harbeths...they were like the steak to Dyn's lobster; or lobster to Dyn's steak. Both really, really good...but different; and one is welcome after sort of nothing but the other. I think the point I'm trying to make is...you tend to hear the same names, time and time again. I've told the story...about how when I was looking for "the best", many names came up; everyone will have their own idea. But Dynaudio...in that search...came up more than any other. Not only that; but the people who talked about them...didn't just say "buy Dynaudio; it's what I have". They talked about the speaker with passion; they...as I see in this forum everyday...truly loved their speakers.

You can't say that of every brand; but from my perspective, I do get the same thing from Harbeth owners, PMC...a few other brands. Again; there are certain brands that command this kind of response, and I think that can't be ignored. Who wouldn't want to sample speakers like that?

I have to agree with this! I love and know that Dynaudio will likely always be a go to brand for me but once my room is done and budget permits I will be buying used to audition different brands. Start out at a lower price point and once I have spent time just resell for what I paid. You can make $1,000 go a long way through many brands for sure! Keep my Dynaudio's and just geek out in listening to other stuff. I do like sharing thoughts and reading the thoughts of others in this thread because it is reasonable to assume we have similar tastes. One cannot take these posts as gospel or replacement for our own audition's but they certainly help provide insight!
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post #18454 of 19350
1/21/13 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I think there's a lot of good gear out there. Even a hobbyist like myself...who isn't afraid to mix it up and try new stuff (and that's changed of late)...doesn't want to be constantly tinkering. For the last 6 years...the 6 years I consider to be my most "serious", in terms of committing money to the passion...I've been happy to love Dynaudio speakers, have them be the foundation of my system...and be willing to change almost everything else. Some take just the opposite approach; they have electronics they like...and they keep that as the constant, and experiment with speakers. It's all good!

Dyns are great; I spent 6 years with them exclusively, trying the stand-mount in just about every line. But when I heard Harbeths...they were like the steak to Dyn's lobster; or lobster to Dyn's steak. Both really, really good...but different; and one is welcome after sort of nothing but the other. I think the point I'm trying to make is...you tend to hear the same names, time and time again. I've told the story...about how when I was looking for "the best", many names came up; everyone will have their own idea. But Dynaudio...in that search...came up more than any other. Not only that; but the people who talked about them...didn't just say "buy Dynaudio; it's what I have". They talked about the speaker with passion; they...as I see in this forum everyday...truly loved their speakers.

You can't say that of every brand; but from my perspective, I do get the same thing from Harbeth owners, PMC...a few other brands. Again; there are certain brands that command this kind of response, and I think that can't be ignored. Who wouldn't want to sample speakers like that?

Well said!
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post #18455 of 19350
1/23/13 at 5:13pm
How picky is the new focus line with regard to room placement? I can't put them so the backs are 2 or 3 feet off the wall. Any thoughts on the 260s being within 12 to 15 inches of the wall?
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post #18456 of 19350
1/23/13 at 6:53pm
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I love the Dynaudio 340. I've very picky and I've sold lots of speakers after a couple weeks due to weaknesses. These 340s have none. I've had them for 6 months. Only the PMCs (or next gen contours) could move me off them...

Here's my video of them playing for anyone interested: Clicky

Have you heard the 340 compared to the 380?
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post #18457 of 19350
1/23/13 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

How picky is the new focus line with regard to room placement? I can't put them so the backs are 2 or 3 feet off the wall. Any thoughts on the 260s being within 12 to 15 inches of the wall?

If you get Dyns too close to the back wall, the bass will get boomy and rob the midrange of detail and imaging. You may want to put in the port plugs to minimize that, depending on your room. I keep my Contour S3.4s about 20-24" off the back wall. Dynaudio recommends .5 m (~20").
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post #18458 of 19350
1/23/13 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

How picky is the new focus line with regard to room placement? I can't put them so the backs are 2 or 3 feet off the wall. Any thoughts on the 260s being within 12 to 15 inches of the wall?

i have mine 17"s off the wall, i do have a window behind them with vertical blinds, perahps they help to diffuse a little, but who knows. they sound great.
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post #18459 of 19350
1/23/13 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

If you get Dyns too close to the back wall, the bass will get boomy and rob the midrange of detail and imaging. You may want to put in the port plugs to minimize that, depending on your room. I keep my Contour S3.4s about 20-24" off the back wall. Dynaudio recommends .5 m (~20").

Port plugs wouldn't be a problem. I've got a sub to pickup the low frequency duty if I need more oomph for some reason.
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i have mine 17"s off the wall, i do have a window behind them with vertical blinds, perahps they help to diffuse a little, but who knows. they sound great.
Just trying to look at all options for my upgrade. Dynaudio is one that I somehow forgot about until a buddy reminded me today how good they sounded at RMAF. Although I didn't listen specifcally to the 260s.

I do worry a bit about the midrange with those two drivers trying to perform double duty on both lows and mids.
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post #18460 of 19350
1/23/13 at 7:50pm
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Port plugs wouldn't be a problem. I've got a sub to pickup the low frequency duty if I need more oomph for some reason.
Just trying to look at all options for my upgrade. Dynaudio is one that I somehow forgot about until a buddy reminded me today how good they sounded at RMAF. Although I didn't listen specifcally to the 260s.

I do worry a bit about the midrange with those two drivers trying to perform double duty on both lows and mids.

i dont think thats something you need to worry about too much, i have the 160s and the mids are very well defined and the bass is still great.

audition and make sure they are right for you.
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post #18461 of 19350
1/23/13 at 7:59pm
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i dont think thats something you need to worry about too much, i have the 160s and the mids are very well defined and the bass is still great.

audition and make sure they are right for you.
No one in town has them. May have to wait for my next trip to Dallas or KC...or perhaps Denver.
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post #18462 of 19350
1/23/13 at 8:52pm
Hey all, been a while since I've been on here - lots of motorcycle projects taking up a lot of time...

Just finished a few changes to my system and I am absolutely ecstatic! Here's whats going on:

Blur remastered 180g box set (woo hoo!)>
Mildly hotrodded Rega Planar 3>
Clearaudio Aurum Beta S (new to me)>
Music Hall Cruise Control 2.0 (new to me)>
McCormack Micro Phono Drive>
Proceed AVP in 2 ch analog mode>
Audio Research VS55>
Focus 140s on SolidSteel stands.

I am completely blown away with the Clearaudio cartridge. After a series of cartridges that sounded flat and boring, my system has completely come to life!

That's all for now, more listening to do!
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post #18463 of 19350
1/23/13 at 9:04pm
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Port plugs wouldn't be a problem. I've got a sub to pickup the low frequency duty if I need more oomph for some reason.
Just trying to look at all options for my upgrade. Dynaudio is one that I somehow forgot about until a buddy reminded me today how good they sounded at RMAF. Although I didn't listen specifcally to the 260s.

I do worry a bit about the midrange with those two drivers trying to perform double duty on both lows and mids.

i dont think thats something you need to worry about too much, i have the 160s and the mids are very well defined and the bass is still great.

audition and make sure they are right for you.

I've heard the 260s and despite being a 2.5 way they have very good bass and a lovely clear midrange. I too had the same worries you have, but was pleasantly surprised. That said, I'm guessing it's worth the coin for the 340 to get a true 3 way, as a 2.5 way is, ultimately, a compromise.
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post #18464 of 19350
1/23/13 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by justindo View Post

I've heard the 260s and despite being a 2.5 way they have very good bass and a lovely clear midrange. I too had the same worries you have, but was pleasantly surprised. That said, I'm guessing it's worth the coin for the 340 to get a true 3 way, as a 2.5 way is, ultimately, a compromise.
I believe the 260s are a 2-way, not a 2.5 way. i dont think dynaudio makes any 2.5 ways.
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post #18465 of 19350
1/23/13 at 9:57pm
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I've heard the 260s and despite being a 2.5 way they have very good bass and a lovely clear midrange. I too had the same worries you have, but was pleasantly surprised. That said, I'm guessing it's worth the coin for the 340 to get a true 3 way, as a 2.5 way is, ultimately, a compromise.
I believe the 260s are a 2-way, not a 2.5 way. i dont think dynaudio makes any 2.5 ways.

My apologies. I assumed it's a 2.5 way.
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post #18466 of 19350
1/23/13 at 10:00pm
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My apologies. I assumed it's a 2.5 way.
no worries.... i think dynaudio avoids the complexity of 2.5 way designs for a more straight forward 2 and 3 way designs, but for their 2-ways and the small size, they sure do have some good bass dont they? not to mention they still have that very good mid-range.
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post #18467 of 19350
1/24/13 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

How picky is the new focus line with regard to room placement? I can't put them so the backs are 2 or 3 feet off the wall. Any thoughts on the 260s being within 12 to 15 inches of the wall?

If you opt to use the port plugs, be sure to raise the crossover for the sub (lower frequencies)...

Another option would be to install 4" thick OC sound absorption panels behind the speakers to help minimize reflections. If aesthetics are a concern, you could make "portable" ones and place behind the speakers when listening critically.
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post #18468 of 19350
1/24/13 at 8:37am
Hi all. Need help. Am novice on system setup. I have the x-12 and are looking to get an amp for it after my ss went dead. Am thinking of primaluna prologue 2 tube amp or A3.2 musical fidelity integrated amp. Which will be a better match for the x-12? thanks in advance.
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post #18469 of 19350
1/24/13 at 9:11am
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Hi all. Need help. Am novice on system setup. I have the x-12 and are looking to get an amp for it after my ss went dead. Am thinking of primaluna prologue 2 tube amp or A3.2 musical fidelity integrated amp. Which will be a better match for the x-12? thanks in advance.

Per John Atkinson (based on measurements of the speaker on Stereophile) on the Dynaudio X12:

"The Excite X12's specified voltage sensitivity is 86dB/2.83V/m; my estimate of its sensitivity was a bit lower than that, at 84.8dB(B)/2.83V/m, which is below average. This speaker will work better with relatively high-powered amplifiers, such as the Creek integrated and Audio Research power amp BJR used for his auditioning. However, while Dynaudio specifies the X12 as having a nominal 4 ohm impedance, its plot of impedance magnitude and phase (fig.1) reveals that it doesn't drop below 6 ohms, and then only in the lower midrange, when it reaches a minimum value of 4.8 ohms—which, like the combination of 6.6 ohms and 30° capacitive phase angle at 125Hz, will not tax any well-designed amplifier."

So, get an amp. that can safely handle 4ohm loads and you should be golden.
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post #18470 of 19350
1/24/13 at 3:57pm
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I believe the 260s are a 2-way, not a 2.5 way. i dont think dynaudio makes any 2.5 ways.

I'd be shocked if they were a two-way. How would it work to have two mids right next to each other? There would be serious lobing. They've gotta be 2 1/2 way, no?
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post #18471 of 19350
1/24/13 at 4:08pm
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I'd be shocked if they were a two-way. How would it work to have two mids right next to each other? There would be serious lobing. They've gotta be 2 1/2 way, no?[/quote

They're 2 way with 1st order crossovers...
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post #18472 of 19350
1/24/13 at 4:25pm
I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya! eek.gif

Anybody have a plot of the FR vs. horizontal angle?

edit: oops, I meant FR vs vertical
Edited by beaveav - 1/24/13 at 5:34pm
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post #18473 of 19350
1/24/13 at 5:03pm
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I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya! eek.gif

Anybody have a plot of the FR vs. horizontal angle?
Don't want to be a thorn in anyone's side but why not just use your ears to decide how it sounds? IMO specs/graphs are a basic guideline. I've seen specs that are fantastic but listening to them is not pleasant and specs that look horrible sound fantastic (sometimes). Which is why I recommend your ears. It will depend on your room combined with your music taste. I'll go as far to say that it's all (speakers - amps - sources - pre - cables and quality of your power) that will make a difference. I call it system synergy and it will vary from component to component in your room.

That's my opinion/experience and I'm sticking to it biggrin.gif
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post #18474 of 19350
1/24/13 at 5:10pm
^Supply me with a pair of 260s for some extended in-home listening, and I'll gladly use my ears to make a judgment. smile.gif

Until then, I'll rely on measurements to weed out speakers that may/may not have serious flaws.
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post #18475 of 19350
1/24/13 at 5:39pm
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^Supply me with a pair of 260s for some extended in-home listening, and I'll gladly use my ears to make a judgment. smile.gif

Until then, I'll rely on measurements to weed out speakers that may/may not have serious flaws.
What flaws do the 260's have that you're implying?
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post #18476 of 19350
1/24/13 at 5:46pm
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^Supply me with a pair of 260s for some extended in-home listening, and I'll gladly use my ears to make a judgment. smile.gif

Until then, I'll rely on measurements to weed out speakers that may/may not have serious flaws.

That's exactly right. I was able to look at graphs and be able to tell how the speakers would sound....cross some off the list that way.

Graphs are an invaluable tool once you learn how to interpret them. It's something every enthusiast should know how to do...and something Dynaudio should post on their website....their lack of specs is very frustrating.
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post #18477 of 19350
1/24/13 at 5:54pm
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What flaws do the 260's have that you're implying?

Based on paper alone (without graphs), lack of dynamics, phase/time delay issues, potential lobing.
Many of these are solved by their crossover, but first order crossovers usually have issues with these as well. Dyn's crossovers are specific to their drivers and Dyn's designs of their crossovers and drivers eliminate some of these issues that look like they should occur....graphs would be beneficial here.

This is why Dyn's can't be bi-amped and you cannot go active with their speakers. Also why drivers are not interchangeable.

The dynamics remain an issue (relatively speaking).
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post #18478 of 19350
1/24/13 at 6:18pm
I don't know much about speaker measurements, but I have to say the 260s sound darned good in all respects given their relatively small size. I also think that system synergy is an important part too, although I've never heard any Dynaudios that sound bad. Lifeless, perhaps (not the 260s) with certain equipment, rooms, and recordings, but never bad.
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post #18479 of 19350
1/24/13 at 7:04pm
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Based on paper alone (without graphs), lack of dynamics, phase/time delay issues, potential lobing.
Many of these are solved by their crossover, but first order crossovers usually have issues with these as well. Dyn's crossovers are specific to their drivers and Dyn's designs of their crossovers and drivers eliminate some of these issues that look like they should occur....graphs would be beneficial here.

This is why Dyn's can't be bi-amped and you cannot go active with their speakers. Also why drivers are not interchangeable.

The dynamics remain an issue (relatively speaking).
I've not heard the 260's but I've never heard Dynaudio's focus line sound bad (Granted my experience is with the previous line). I'm planning to demo the 160's since they are here locally in the next week or two. But I need floor standers, preferably not something HUGE. These fit the bill, but I also want good bang for my buck...The 2,000 to 5,000 price point is competitive and there's a lot of solid options.

Hoping to get some good in depth reviews of the 260's soon.
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post #18480 of 19350
1/24/13 at 7:15pm
I have a set of 1.3SEs on the way that I recently purchased. These replace a pair I sold off a couple years ago to fund an engagement ring. Unfortunately, I sold the Ultima stands along with the last pair and now I am faced with finding new stands. The Mrs. has expressed that the Stand 6 is acceptable, whereas she hated the dual-tubes of the Stand 4. I can't seem to find an MSRP on them or projected availability. Further, I am in flyover land and do not have a Dyn dealer within 300 miles, so I would like some kind direction to your preferred dealers and any info on the Stand 6 that the group may have.

TIA,

Niles
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