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women... hifi's biggest enemy LOL
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

I've not heard the 260's but I've never heard Dynaudio's focus line sound bad (Granted my experience is with the previous line). I'm planning to demo the 160's since they are here locally in the next week or two. But I need floor standers, preferably not something HUGE. These fit the bill, but I also want good bang for my buck...The 2,000 to 5,000 price point is competitive and there's a lot of solid options.

Hoping to get some good in depth reviews of the 260's soon.

Good luck and enjoy the audition.

When I was looking for speakers, I spent a great deal of time evaluating graphs to minimize the listening sessions at local shops....most of those places aren't good environments for listening. My Dyn audition was unique as a dealer had the speakers in his bonus room...well treated....and gave me a great area to evaluate them.

In my price point, there were many great contenders....and some great speakers. Each one slightly different than the other....some brought areas I liked and others areas I didn't....

In the end, I went with Dyns for a number of reasons and feel, three years later, it was the right choice. I have no desire to "upgrade" or change, as I feel I obtained maximum Bang/Buck and can now sit back and thoroughly enjoy music without wondering "how much better" different speakers will be.

I hope you find speakers that fit your tastes as well....
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

What flaws do the 260's have that you're implying?

Actually, I wasn't lumping them in the "flawed" group, as I've only seen very limited measurements of them, and those looked good - except for FR vs vertical angle. And that measurement was only a single measurement at 15 degrees off axis, so it wasn't much data. And what's more, it's debatable how important changes in vertical response are in the first place.

So I guess I'd say they have a *potential* flaw, but it might be taken care of in other ways, and it might not be a significant flaw to begin with.

How's that for tapdancing?? wink.gif
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Something very interesting happened to me this week. I haven't been spending a lot of time listening this week (just busy) except for a hour or so each evening. I have been playing mostly classical chamber music and early music. I felt like something was wrong. Things sounded a bit thin and I thought the midrange should be warmer. I made sure my turntable was setup right and tried some adjustment of VTF and VTA, but it still sounded a bit thin and lacking warmth.

Well, I solved it. I realized my subwoofer was off. Some recordings have excessive rumble in the way they were recorded or pressed, so I have to turn the sub off when I play them. I did that last weekend, and forgot to turn it back on. All week I didn't realize it was off...just that something was "off" so to speak. But in all this I never felt like there was a problem with the low bass.
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Hi all,

I have to get a pair of XLR to RCA cables for my BM12A, will a pair of $100 cable (Monster cable Z 200i Reference) make a difference in sound to a $30 cable sold on ebay? Supposedly Monster cable Z 200i Reference retails for $250, they are on ebay for $100.

Another thing, how big is the difference in sound between RCA and XLR (2M long) cable? My DAC is fully balanced, but its balanced output is 4.5V, much too high for BM12A input (3V maximum), I need to spend about $150 to get a volume attenuator to be able to use balanced connection. Is it worthwhile to get fully balanced connection in a home environment?

Thank you.
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Originally Posted by kanonathena View Post

Hi all,

I have to get a pair of XLR to RCA cables for my BM12A, will a pair of $100 cable (Monster cable Z 200i Reference) make a difference in sound to a $30 cable sold on ebay? Supposedly Monster cable Z 200i Reference retails for $250, they are on ebay for $100.

Another thing, how big is the difference in sound between RCA and XLR (2M long) cable? My DAC is fully balanced, but its balanced output is 4.5V, much too high for BM12A input (3V maximum), I need to spend about $150 to get a volume attenuator to be able to use balanced connection. Is it worthwhile to get fully balanced connection in a home environment?

Thank you.

I would try a cable from Monoprice before I'd spend money on a Monster Cable. You can probably do better than Monster on Audiogon.

Retail price for Monster Cable retail price doesn't mean anything except at Best Buy, where salespeople tell the unaware their TVs won't work right without a Monster Cable.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I would try a cable from Monoprice before I'd spend money on a Monster Cable. You can probably do better than Monster on Audiogon.

Retail price for Monster Cable retail price doesn't mean anything except at Best Buy, where salespeople tell the unaware their TVs won't work right without a Monster Cable.

Thanks, I heard people saying expansive cables are totally not worthwhile, just wondering why these cables are so expansive, do they use better material than a $20 cable? I ask this just because I spend quite a lot of money on BM12A, want to use it to the fullest potential.
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Originally Posted by kanonathena View Post

Thanks, I heard people saying expansive cables are totally not worthwhile, just wondering why these cables are so expansive, do they use better material than a $20 cable? I ask this just because I spend quite a lot of money on BM12A, want to use it to the fullest potential.

I'm not going to get into the expensive/audiophile cable debate. For analog cables I am in the lower part of the high end and use hand-built cables from Transparent Audio. I use the speaker cable Naim recommends for their amps (I purchased used in both cases). However, with Monster I think you may pay more for packaging and hype than anything. I have never heard a difference between Monster cables and run of the mill cables. If you want high end cables I think you can do better for your money than Monster.
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Hi guys, I've been following this thread for a little while now. I'm purchasing the the Excite x36 speakers and they should be arriving soon. I'm buying them from a dealer who had them in his own home theatre setup and they have about 45 hours on them. Anything I should know or do, as far as more break in time for these? I'm hoping my Marantz 8801 and Sunfire amp are a good match, he seemed to think so. Does my Sunfire have enough current for the Dynaudio's? It is the cinema grand 7x200 wpc~8 ohms/400 wpc~ 4 ohms version. I appreciate any advice as you are the ones that own this brand.

Thanks,
John.
Edited by comfynumb - 1/27/13 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hi guys, I've been following this thread for a little while now. I'm purchasing the the Excite x36 speakers and they should be arriving soon. I'm buying them from a dealer who had them in his own home theatre setup and they have about 45 hours on them. Anything I should know or do, as far as more break in time for these? I'm hoping my Marantz 8801 and Sunfire amp are a good match, he seemed to think so. Does my Sunfire have enough current for the Dynaudio's? It is the cinema grand 7x200 wpc~8 ohms/400 wpc~ 4 ohms version. I appreciate any advice as you are the ones that own this brand.

Thanks,
John.
your amp and marantz will be just fine. there probably wont be much noticable improvement over what you will hear when you get them. congrats on the purchase
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I remember a YouTube video where I guy showed how a Monster guitar cable picked up significant noise whereas even a much cheaper one was ok in that respect. looks like a marketing-oriented company which doesn't give a damn about quality.
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

I remember a YouTube video where I guy showed how a Monster guitar cable picked up significant noise whereas even a much cheaper one was ok in that respect. looks like a marketing-oriented company which doesn't give a damn about quality.
They really are sort of the Bose of cables. aren't they.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

your amp and marantz will be just fine. there probably wont be much noticable improvement over what you will hear when you get them. congrats on the purchase


Hi, what do you mean when you say there probably won't be much noticeable improvement? Are you saying they need more break in time? Thanks.
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Also a couple reviews have not been too favorable in there opinion of the X36's. Some said they lacked the wow of other Dyn product and others went as far as saying the bass just wasn't good. Maybe some of you Excite owners could tell me what you think. Or the Dynaudio guys could put me at ease about this. I mean did these reviews guys have their heads up their a** or do they just have a biased opinion? There really isn't very many reviews online about the X36"s, does anyone know where there's a favorable one? For a speaker that's been out there over two years you would think there would be more reviews. My current front speakers are original PSB gold's, I've always felt that my Sunfire amp had a little too much power for them as I've always had to set the bass at around -4, admittedly I have a habit of playing my music at what some would say are ridiculous levels, but that's what I like on occasion. I didn't do the final deal on the X'36's yet as I've been on the fence about the Excite's and a pair of vienna acoustics Beethoven's that are from 2004. Although being older they are in great shape. My speakers will be for 90% music and 10% movie. Again the X36's have only 45 hours of time on them and I can get them for 2 grand even. Any thoughts? Lots of questions I know, I just don't want to screw up as I have no way of auditioning these.
Thanks,
John.
Edited by comfynumb - 1/28/13 at 6:07am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hi, what do you mean when you say there probably won't be much noticeable improvement? Are you saying they need more break in time? Thanks.

No. The speakers will not change their character due to "break in" time. You will need to give your ears time to adjust to the new sound though.
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Hello

Its upgrade-time! I love the sound from the small 110A's, and i think my next speaker will be the Focus 160. (If its a real upgrade!)

Anybody know how much of an upgrade it will be to upgrade to the 160's?

I am currently using my Burson Audio HA-160D (dac/preamp) with the 110A's, and will be using it again with a suitable power amp like perhaps the NAD C275BEE or another amp in that pricerange.with the Focus 160's

Will it be worth the upgrade?

Thanks

Bo
Copenhagen
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hi guys, I've been following this thread for a little while now. I'm purchasing the the Excite x36 speakers and they should be arriving soon. I'm buying them from a dealer who had them in his own home theatre setup and they have about 45 hours on them. Anything I should know or do, as far as more break in time for these? I'm hoping my Marantz 8801 and Sunfire amp are a good match, he seemed to think so. Does my Sunfire have enough current for the Dynaudio's? It is the cinema grand 7x200 wpc~8 ohms/400 wpc~ 4 ohms version. I appreciate any advice as you are the ones that own this brand.

Thanks,
John.

Your sunfire amp will be plenty for the speakers. Bob Carver designed his Sunfire amps to deal with speakers with wildly swinging impedence and his Sunfire amps are stable to 2ohms. His amps have higher rated THD specs, and some think this is a negative. However, he feels his THD is inaudible and he focused on the ability to apply constant voltage regardless of impedence of speakers.

So, your amp will be great for your new speakers.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Also a couple reviews have not been too favorable in there opinion of the X36's. Some said they lacked the wow of other Dyn product and others went as far as saying the bass just wasn't good. Maybe some of you Excite owners could tell me what you think. Or the Dynaudio guys could put me at ease about this. I mean did these reviews guys have their heads up their a** or do they just have a biased opinion? There really isn't very many reviews online about the X36"s, does anyone know where there's a favorable one? For a speaker that's been out there over two years you would think there would be more reviews. My current front speakers are original PSB gold's, I've always felt that my Sunfire amp had a little too much power for them as I've always had to set the bass at around -4, admittedly I have a habit of playing my music at what some would say are ridiculous levels, but that's what I like on occasion. I didn't do the final deal on the X'36's yet as I've been on the fence about the Excite's and a pair of vienna acoustics Beethoven's that are from 2004. Although being older they are in great shape. My speakers will be for 90% music and 10% movie. Again the X36's have only 45 hours of time on them and I can get them for 2 grand even. Any thoughts? Lots of questions I know, I just don't want to screw up as I have no way of auditioning these.
Thanks,
John.

I don't read reviews....they're full of BS for the most part. Here's the kicker....if you go through and get the speakers and give a listen...I wonder if you will now think the bass is inferior due to the review you read. Never underestimate the power of persuation.

I own the Contour s3.4s and I don't think there are any reviews of this speaker either....which is good. Again, I don't put stock in opinion pieces. I do, however, look for measuremnts of a speaker's performance.....which are harder to find.

Why are you considering buying speakers you haven't heard? What are your expectations? Have you heard any Dyns at all?

I will say this. If you enjoy ear-piercing, concernt level sound, Dynaudio is not the speaker for you. Their sensitivity is average to low, and they just can't compete with higher efficiency desgins in dynamics and volume. They can get loud for sure...loud enough to cause hearing damage. But, they have a tonal character that is neutral....no tipped treble, and they don't distort very much...meaning, they can get loud...and not sound loud. If that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by kanonathena View Post

Hi all,

I have to get a pair of XLR to RCA cables for my BM12A, will a pair of $100 cable (Monster cable Z 200i Reference) make a difference in sound to a $30 cable sold on ebay? Supposedly Monster cable Z 200i Reference retails for $250, they are on ebay for $100.

Another thing, how big is the difference in sound between RCA and XLR (2M long) cable? My DAC is fully balanced, but its balanced output is 4.5V, much too high for BM12A input (3V maximum), I need to spend about $150 to get a volume attenuator to be able to use balanced connectiIs it worthwhile to get fully balanced connection in a home environmentment?

Thank you.

Not unless you're picking up a lot of RF interference, which you would definitely hear.
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Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

No. The speakers will not change their character due to "break in" time. You will need to give your ears time to adjust to the new sound though.


Ok I see what your saying. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

I don't read reviews....they're full of BS for the most part. Here's the kicker....if you go through and get the speakers and give a listen...I wonder if you will now think the bass is inferior due to the review you read. Never underestimate the power of persuation.

I own the Contour s3.4s and I don't think there are any reviews of this speaker either....which is good. Again, I don't put stock in opinion pieces. I do, however, look for measuremnts of a speaker's performance.....which are harder to find.

Why are you considering buying speakers you haven't heard? What are your expectations? Have you heard any Dyns at all?

I will say this. If you enjoy ear-piercing, concernt level sound, Dynaudio is not the speaker for you. Their sensitivity is average to low, and they just can't compete with higher efficiency desgins in dynamics and volume. They can get loud for sure...loud enough to cause hearing damage. But, they have a tonal character that is neutral....no tipped treble, and they don't distort very much...meaning, they can get loud...and not sound loud. If that makes sense.


Well I've been looking for the right deal on a new set of front speakers. Maybe not hearing them first is a bad idea, but when I look at the design of the Dyn"s and the fact that they use cast baskets not stamped, ( a company that charges an upgrade fee for cast baskets on the very same speaker doesn't sit we'll with me) And they are not made in China like many of the ones in my price range (Def tech, Paradigm and a bunch of others) I figure I can't go wrong. I'm not looking for concert level volume speakers, I'm just looking for an all around good speaker. And the build quality looks amazing compared to most mass produced speakers. I've been following this thread for a little while and the fact that a Dynaudio rep actually subscribes to this thread impresses me. And no I've never heard any Dynaudio speakers.
Edited by comfynumb - 1/28/13 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

Your sunfire amp will be plenty for the speakers. Bob Carver designed his Sunfire amps to deal with speakers with wildly swinging impedence and his Sunfire amps are stable to 2ohms. His amps have higher rated THD specs, and some think this is a negative. However, he feels his THD is inaudible and he focused on the ability to apply constant voltage regardless of impedence of speakers.

So, your amp will be great for your new speakers.


Thanks jamhead, this is exactly what my new dealer friend said also. I know I shouldn't buy these without hearing them first, but at 2 grand and being as close to new as I'm going to find I'm going to have to act fast or lose out. I only have a little time to make up my mind, so here I am looking for advise from people that actually own them, not some opinionated guy in a perfect chamber with way too much time on his hands. Thanks for all your input.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Thanks jamhead, this is exactly what my new dealer friend said also. I know I shouldn't buy these without hearing them first, but at 2 grand and being as close to new as I'm going to find I'm going to have to act fast or lose out. I only have a little time to make up my mind, so here I am looking for advise from people that actually own them, not some opinionated guy in a perfect chamber with way too much time on his hands. Thanks for all your input.

No problem. Although I enjoy my Dynaudio speakers, I am not a "fanboy" and I approach this hobby very objectively. I realize there are many speakers within this pricepoint that are fantastic.

Based on my experience, I can say that Dynaudio speakers are built very well and have a sound that I really enjoy. It's impossible for me to say that you will enjoy them too....different strokes/different folks.

If I were you, I'd take the chance. Good price. Good condition. My only advice would be to take time in setting them up (toe-in ; distance from walls; etc.). Once you get them set up correctly, the imaging will be fantastic and they should allow you to hear things in music you didn't realize was there before. However, give them time. It will take time for your ears to get used to the sound....so, spend many hours listening.

Good luck and let us know what you think.
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Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

No problem. Although I enjoy my Dynaudio speakers, I am not a "fanboy" and I approach this hobby very objectively. I realize there are many speakers within this pricepoint that are fantastic.

Based on my experience, I can say that Dynaudio speakers are built very well and have a sound that I really enjoy. It's impossible for me to say that you will enjoy them too....different strokes/different folks.

If I were you, I'd take the chance. Good price. Good condition. My only advice would be to take time in setting them up (toe-in ; distance from walls; etc.). Once you get them set up correctly, the imaging will be fantastic and they should allow you to hear things in music you didn't realize was there before. However, give them time. It will take time for your ears to get used to the sound....so, spend many hours listening.

Good luck and let us know what you think.


See this is why I asked these questions, to get some good advise from people that own these, as I can't audition them I figure this is the next best thing. I believe you answered some of my questions on the Marantz av8801 thread, and I've seen some of your other posts. You seem to tell it like it is and not into sugar coating anything, and that's a good thing. By the way my room where they will be setup is an acoustical nightmare, and right next to where my right front speaker is going to sit is an open hallway. So I don't know have many options on placement of these. Basically I'm in a 14' wide x 28' long room that has two hallways at either end and lots of furnishings in between. Thanks.
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I'm going to be set up in 5.1, because of my room and I like the way the SACD discs sounds this way. My center channel is old. Is the matching X22c center a good piece, or am I better off with a different piece? It's pretty pricey and doesn't look very impressive, but looks can be deceiving. Also my sub is a def tech supercube 1 sitting in between my mains, if this matters.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I'm going to be set up in 5.1, because of my room and I like the way the SACD discs sounds this way. My center channel is old. Is the matching X22c center a good piece, or am I better off with a different piece? It's pretty pricey and doesn't look very impressive, but looks can be deceiving. Also my sub is a def tech supercube 1 sitting in between my mains, if this matters.

The absolute best means of achieving a seamless surround sound experience, especially with SACD, is to have matching speakers all around. In this case, since it may not be practical, speakers from the same manufacturer and same "line" is desirable. So, in your situation, a matching center would be best. If you could obtain and be able to fit it in your room decor, the x12 would be a great center....same tweeter/driver combo. However, it's a monitor and will probably be taller than the X22 center....and finding 1 would be a problem. So, the X22 will be better than your current center.....you would have a seamless front so as sound pan from left to right...it would be difficult to determine which speaker the sound is coming from. A very "cool" thing.

However, if you cannot afford the X22 at this time, I would not use your current center and use the "phantom" center, where your two new speakers will also act as a center. Dyns can image well, and you may find this is much better than using an inferior center channel.
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Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

The absolute best means of achieving a seamless surround sound experience, especially with SACD, is to have matching speakers all around. In this case, since it may not be practical, speakers from the same manufacturer and same "line" is desirable. So, in your situation, a matching center would be best. If you could obtain and be able to fit it in your room decor, the x12 would be a great center....same tweeter/driver combo. However, it's a monitor and will probably be taller than the X22 center....and finding 1 would be a problem. So, the X22 will be better than your current center.....you would have a seamless front so as sound pan from left to right...it would be difficult to determine which speaker the sound is coming from. A very "cool" thing.

However, if you cannot afford the X22 at this time, I would not use your current center and use the "phantom" center, where your two new speakers will also act as a center. Dyns can image well, and you may find this is much better than using an inferior center channel.


Ok I understand. I'm going look into the X12 right now, I can afford the X22 and this guy has one, I'm waiting for his price and the shipping price on the X36's, I'm sure it won't be cheap he's in Cali and I'm in PA. My Sunfire will be driving the center channel too. Is the power rating on my amp too much for either the X12 or the X22? Right now I'm running an older JBL studio center rated at 150 wpc max and I've got to keep it turned way so I don't blow them out.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Ok I understand. I'm going look into the X12 right now, I can afford the X22 and this guy has one, I'm waiting for his price and the shipping price on the X36's, I'm sure it won't be cheap he's in Cali and I'm in PA. My Sunfire will be driving the center channel too. Is the power rating on my amp too much for either the X12 or the X22? Right now I'm running an older JBL studio center rated at 150 wpc max and I've got to keep it turned way so I don't blow them out.

No....your amp is not too much for the Dyns as long as you don't "turn it to 11". Common sense when listening,...if you hear the speakers bottom out, or if you hear them distort.....turn it down. Other than that, you can run 2000 watt amps and it wouldn't matter. The reason you had to turn your JBL down was because it's much higher sensitivity (requires many less watts to have the same SPL's as a lower sensitivity speaker) and, no offense, but it's undoubtedly distorting as well as having a tipped up treble FR. This tipped up treble is what gives the speaker the illusion of clarity, when, it's, in fact, inaccurate.

Are your current speakers JBL as well? They are on the complete opposite spectrum in sound quality to Dynaudio. If so...you will NEED to give your ears some time to adjust to a tonally neutral speaker.

The JBL's are far from tonally neutral.
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Originally Posted by jamhead View Post

No....your amp is not too much for the Dyns as long as you don't "turn it to 11". Common sense when listening,...if you hear the speakers bottom out, or if you hear them distort.....turn it down. Other than that, you can run 2000 watt amps and it wouldn't matter. The reason you had to turn your JBL down was because it's much higher sensitivity (requires many less watts to have the same SPL's as a lower sensitivity speaker) and, no offense, but it's undoubtedly distorting as well as having a tipped up treble FR. This tipped up treble is what gives the speaker the illusion of clarity, when, it's, in fact, inaccurate.

Are your current speakers JBL as well? They are on the complete opposite spectrum in sound quality to Dynaudio. If so...you will NEED to give your ears some time to adjust to a tonally neutral speaker.

The JBL's are far from tonally neutral.


Lol @ the 11. My front speakers are PSB original gold's not the i's, circa 1996. My surrounds are Pinnacle BD 650's (all I could find for around $700 in a 3 way bookshelf that could handle the Sunfire's power, well sort of handle it) and my center is a JBL studio series S center. Def tech supercube 1. Marantz 8801 pre/pro and a oppo bdp-93. I figured I might as well tell you everything I have setup. And yes your right it's a pretty horrible center channel. By the way, would you set up one of the X12's as a center channel or two as I've seen? I noticed that they are two way monitors. Eventually when I figure out the right layout in my room I want to go 7.1 or 7.2. When I do this I'll be looking for two more pairs of Dyn's for surrounds. After I get the 36's and the center money is going to be an issue for a couple of months, so I'm going to have to settle for a bit.
Edited by comfynumb - 1/28/13 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Ok I understand. I'm going look into the X12 right now, I can afford the X22 and this guy has one, I'm waiting for his price and the shipping price on the X36's, I'm sure it won't be cheap he's in Cali and I'm in PA. My Sunfire will be driving the center channel too. Is the power rating on my amp too much for either the X12 or the X22? Right now I'm running an older JBL studio center rated at 150 wpc max and I've got to keep it turned way so I don't blow them out.
The X36s are a nice speaker. I used to have the X16s, and they came alive with good power, which it appears you have. The X22 is small, but its a much better performer then I ever thought it would be. I watch a lot of concert blu-rays and it does a very good job with what I throw at it, and movies are just as good IMO.
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