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Originally Posted by mac336 View Post

would this emotiva amp be enough to drive a focus 160 or contour 1.3 ?

http://shop.emotiva.com/products/a100

Get a NAD c375bee. Can also be had with a built in DAC. Superb for the money. Best budget 2 channel amp IMO. Stereophile reviewed it a couple of years ago and said it could compete with more expensive amps. I agree.
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Originally Posted by OctaDyn_Dude View Post

Hey Jax - still waiting for your review/thoughts of the C1 MKII's.

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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

I know it's wrong, wrong wrong t make judgements over youtube but those sounded fantastic to me. 340 to c1, what are the trade-offs for you?

I'll try and post my thoughts on my dynaudio evolution tomorrow... Can't do a long post like that on my ipad.
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Question....should I buy an oppo and a TV for my listening room so I can watch blu ray concerts? Is it worth it, meaning is there enough great content to make it worth it? Only interested in music, not movies....
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Any of the XPA series amps from Emotiva will be more than enough.

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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

the dm2/6s are fairly easy speakers to drive. the xpa-3 or xpa-200, or likewise you could look at the outlaw mini monos, theyd be just over your budget, but good units.

thanks, i'll check it out,

how about class d/t amp? Anyone using it to drive the speaker
i interested in small form factor and efficiency , and also the price:)
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Originally Posted by zibanez View Post

how about class d/t amp?
not all of them are born equal.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

As for DACs, I have a benchmark dac2 but I'm not using it in that video. I'm using a NAD M2 which is a digital amp and it accepts a digital signal. The M2 acts as both the DAC and the amp.... I love the M2 and it seems I finally found one that works (#4).
my Benchmark reply a few weeks back was an irony aimed at people thinking that a medium-price DAC like that has no business in a rather expensive system. without having heard said DAC, most of the times smile.gif I'm surprised no one caught that.
my experience with the 90W cheapish ARC amp that is able to drive the Confidence 3s very well proved that one shouldn't evaluate based on price, power and other irrelevant numbers.
I'm curious, did you compare the Benchmark to more expensive equipment? and how did you get to buy the NAD?
and, lastly, which version of "This Is a Man's World" is that in the video? thanks.
Edited by gn77b - 3/18/13 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

not all of them are born equal.

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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

my experience with the 90W cheapish ARC amp...

gn77b, can I ask a personal favor? I forget what the ARC you are referring to stands for (I know it's in a post, a few pages back). But please; ARC in my book is Audio Research Corporation. Everytime you metion it, I automatically think something else. tongue.gif
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sorry, I've seen it referred to like that in some places, Audio Refinement Complete is too long for my lazy hands.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Today I'm using apple airport express. All my music is ripped to apple lossless. And despite some debate about the quality of the airport express and jitter issues, it sounds excellent. I've been very happy with it. BUT...it won't stream hi-res music, only CD resolution. So...at the encouragement ( read nagging ) of my good friend cd, I've invested in a new music server. It arrives next week. Can't wait! Going to the CAPS design created by the computer audiophile. So the AE may be retiring soon.

As for DACs, I have a benchmark dac2 but I'm not using it in that video. I'm using a NAD M2 which is a digital amp and it accepts a digital signal. The M2 acts as both the DAC and the amp.... I love the M2 and it seems I finally found one that works (#4).

Dumb question here, but what kind of cable do you use from AE to DAC? I have an AE but it's just for a little living room stereo. In my main room I use an Apple TV HDMI to my home theater receiver. I know I'm not getting the best quality but I love the convenience. Is there any way to get Apple TV connected to an external DAC? I guess not?
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Today I'm using apple airport express. All my music is ripped to apple lossless. And despite some debate about the quality of the airport express and jitter issues, it sounds excellent. I've been very happy with it. BUT...it won't stream hi-res music, only CD resolution. So...at the encouragement ( read nagging ) of my good friend cd, I've invested in a new music server.

Jax, I hope it works out for you. I try not to be critical of that which I have not heard. But in the case of the AE, I have just heard almost universally bad things...from those who have heard other streamers.

I just figured you owed it to yourself, to find out for certain; stop that little gnawing feeling, once and for all (even if it was just me, pissing in your ear all the time...lol). Plus...I happen to really like hi-res; and I think you should see if that's for you or not (not to mention DSD, which your Benchmark will do).
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Originally Posted by adb3da View Post

Dumb question here, but what kind of cable do you use from AE to DAC? I have an AE but it's just for a little living room stereo. In my main room I use an Apple TV HDMI to my home theater receiver. I know I'm not getting the best quality but I love the convenience. Is there any way to get Apple TV connected to an external DAC? I guess not?

Sure; Jax did it for the longest time. Toslink!
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Sure; Jax did it for the longest time. Toslink!

How could I forget there was a Toslink connection???? For some reason I was thinking it only had HDMI output. Brilliant!
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Sure; Jax did it for the longest time. Toslink!

How could I forget there was a Toslink connection???? For some reason I was thinking it only had HDMI output. Brilliant!

I use Empirical Audio Synchro-mesh (reclock/de-jitter) between AppleTV and the dac. Toslink out from AppleTV to SM, which has both RCA and BNC outputs to the dac. SM also hardware-upsamples AppleTV's 16/48 to 24/96.
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does anyone know of a good dynaudio dealer I can contact to get some of these speakers. no dealers anywhere near my area and nobody sells online. might have to settle for used, not that I have a problem with that
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Originally Posted by mac336 View Post

does anyone know of a good dynaudio dealer I can contact to get some of these speakers. no dealers anywhere near my area and nobody sells online. might have to settle for used, not that I have a problem with that

Google "liquid hifi". He's a dyn dealer and a great guy. Highly recommend!
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

my Benchmark reply a few weeks back was an irony aimed at people thinking that a medium-price DAC like that has no business in a rather expensive system. without having heard said DAC, most of the times smile.gif I'm surprised no one caught that.
my experience with the 90W cheapish ARC amp that is able to drive the Confidence 3s very well proved that one shouldn't evaluate based on price, power and other irrelevant numbers.
I'm curious, did you compare the Benchmark to more expensive equipment? and how did you get to buy the NAD?
and, lastly, which version of "This Is a Man's World" is that in the video? thanks.

I've been using benchmark DACs since I first started using DACs. No real experience with other DACs. And you know, that really does say a lot. I am a unrepentent box swapper and I've never had the urge to switch off Benchmark. It just sounds so great.

If you want opinions on DACs, CD can provide them. He's tried them all rolleyes.gif

I bought the NAD used from a seller at audiocircle. The M2 is a superb amp and I loved it from the first time I used it but I was plagued with failing units. I think it was because I was buying refurb units. I don't think the NAD techs know how to fix the M2. The one I have now is not a refurb unit and so far is functioning flawlessly. As for amps, I have compared MANY amps in my system. The M2 is my favorite but I also love the Bryston 4bsst2.

The song is by Sarah Hickman.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Jax, I hope it works out for you. I try not to be critical of that which I have not heard. But in the case of the AE, I have just heard almost universally bad things...from those who have heard other streamers.

I just figured you owed it to yourself, to find out for certain; stop that little gnawing feeling, once and for all (even if it was just me, pissing in your ear all the time...lol). Plus...I happen to really like hi-res; and I think you should see if that's for you or not (not to mention DSD, which your Benchmark will do).

Dude, you did me a favor encouraging me to upgrade my source. I would have done it much sooner but I just could never find a solution that checked all my boxes. I am very excited about the new music server and it shipped today!!! Can't wait to set it up and download some hi-res stuff.
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Originally Posted by adb3da View Post

Dumb question here, but what kind of cable do you use from AE to DAC? I have an AE but it's just for a little living room stereo. In my main room I use an Apple TV HDMI to my home theater receiver. I know I'm not getting the best quality but I love the convenience. Is there any way to get Apple TV connected to an external DAC? I guess not?

I found the "digital" cable to make a difference. Don't ask me why. Maybe it's less jittery. Anyway, I use the Wireworld SuperNova 6. It's all glass and most tosllink cables are plastic fiber. The wireworld cable sounded more transparent to me. And it doesn't cost much more.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

If you want opinions on DACs, CD can provide them. He's tried them all rolleyes.gif

Please be careful. I once referred to myself as Mr. DAC (only meaning, no one believes in them more than me; not that I was the one, true authority on them...lol)...and I took a little crap, about how I hadn't tried this DAC, and that DAC.

To be truthful...I've only tried half the DACs ever made. wink.gif
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Ok, here's my thoughts on my new Dynaudio Confidence C1 MkII speakers (in gloss black biggrin.gif). But so people know where I'm coming from, I've tried many speakers Dynaudio and many competitors. From the Dynaudio stable I've owned Excite 12, Excite 16 (love them), Contour S1.4 (superb), Special 25, Focus 160, Focus 340, and C1 MkII (in that order).

The C1 has the same amazing presence and "in the room" magic that the Special 25 is capable of, but without the overly forward shouty character that makes it too much of a good thing with the S25. It is without a doubt the closest you can get to the jaw dropping detail side of things without crossing over into harsh and strident territory. It threads that needle better than any speaker I've owned. Simply stunning transparency and clarity but still smooth and enjoyable. To me this is the ultimate goal. Now, I did find that my Bryston amp paired with the Benchmark DAC was a little too "front row" for my taste which was not the case using this same amp with the Contour S1.4s. In fact, with the S1.4s it was a match made in heaven because those speakers to my ears are just a touch dark sounding and the Bryston benchmark combo really brightened them up to perfection. But the NAD M2 simply sounds stunning with the C1s. The M2 also delivers a very full and satisfying bass and that turns out to be another plus with the C1s. Naturally the C1s cannot compete with the Focus 340s in the bass department and I did miss that extra impact and weight when I first switched from the 340 to the C1, but the M2 has quelled that feeling to a large degree. I have the C1s well away from the walls which ads to the amazing imaging abilities of this speaker, but does lose the bass reinforcement of close room boundaries. But it's worth that compromise. The M2 adds enough low end to still be very satisfying and weighty (although not Focus 340 levels of weight), but the careful positiion in my room makes the C1s imaging simply stunning. It is hard for me believe that it gets any better regardless of price. And that is why I switched to the C1s over the 340s. The 340s are extremely good speakers, but no floorstander images like a stand mount speaker. And the C1s when setup well will make your jaw drop. Even though I have always wanted C2s, I think the C1s are the better choice for a mid sized room like mine (12x17) because there is still plenty of bass, but you get such pristine mid-range, soundstage, imagine, and all the rest that the C1s really shine in this setting. I was very happy with the 340s and could have lived happily ever after with them, but I think the C1s are unbeatable and really the pinacle that can be achieved in a mid sized room.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

Ok, here's my thoughts on my new Dynaudio Confidence C1 MkII speakers (in gloss black biggrin.gif). But so people know where I'm coming from, I've tried many speakers Dynaudio and many competitors. From the Dynaudio stable I've owned Excite 12, Excite 16 (love them), Contour S1.4 (superb), Special 25, Focus 160, Focus 340, and C1 MkII (in that order).

The C1 has the same amazing presence and "in the room" magic that the Special 25 is capable of, but without the overly forward shouty character that makes it too much of a good thing with the S25. It is without a doubt the closest you can get to the jaw dropping detail side of things without crossing over into harsh and strident territory. It threads that needle better than any speaker I've owned. Simply stunning transparency and clarity but still smooth and enjoyable. To me this is the ultimate goal. Now, I did find that my Bryston amp paired with the Benchmark DAC was a little too "front row" for my taste which was not the case using this same amp with the Contour S1.4s. In fact, with the S1.4s it was a match made in heaven because those speakers to my ears are just a touch dark sounding and the Bryston benchmark combo really brightened them up to perfection. But the NAD M2 simply sounds stunning with the C1s. The M2 also delivers a very full and satisfying bass and that turns out to be another plus with the C1s. Naturally the C1s cannot compete with the Focus 340s in the bass department and I did miss that extra impact and weight when I first switched from the 340 to the C1, but the M2 has quelled that feeling to a large degree. I have the C1s well away from the walls which ads to the amazing imaging abilities of this speaker, but does lose the bass reinforcement of close room boundaries. But it's worth that compromise. The M2 adds enough low end to still be very satisfying and weighty (although not Focus 340 levels of weight), but the careful positiion in my room makes the C1s imaging simply stunning. It is hard for me believe that it gets any better regardless of price. And that is why I switched to the C1s over the 340s. The 340s are extremely good speakers, but no floorstander images like a stand mount speaker. And the C1s when setup well will make your jaw drop. Even though I have always wanted C2s, I think the C1s are the better choice for a mid sized room like mine (12x17) because there is still plenty of bass, but you get such pristine mid-range, soundstage, imagine, and all the rest that the C1s really shine in this setting. I was very happy with the 340s and could have lived happily ever after with them, but I think the C1s are unbeatable and really the pinacle that can be achieved in a mid sized room.
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Have you considered a sub for that last 'Octave' (pun intended LOL) ??
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Have you considered a sub for that last 'Octave' (pun intended LOL) ??

Yes. I've struggled with the subs before. I like the "idea", but have never got it to work to my satisfaction. Still, I'm tempted to try it again some day. Unfortunately, the M2 because of it's all digital design does not have preouts so I would have to use speaker level connections which doesn't appeal to me as much as low level connections, but still, I could try it...might do...velodyne DD line? biggrin.gif
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Yes. I've struggled with the subs before. I like the "idea", but have never got it to work to my satisfaction. Still, I'm tempted to try it again some day. Unfortunately, the M2 because of it's all digital design does not have preouts so I would have to use speaker level connections which doesn't appeal to me as much as low level connections, but still, I could try it...might do...velodyne DD line? biggrin.gif

I know exactly what you mean on integrating the subs. I think I need an eq for my 2 martin logan dynamo subs. Currently I am running them speaker level with my Focus 110s and I get it to blend great with most songs but then due to what I assume are room modes songs with deep bass will over power the room. I want to get a microphone and REW to better see what I am experiencing.
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

The C1 has the same amazing presence and "in the room" magic that the Special 25 is capable of, but without the overly forward shouty character that makes it too much of a good thing with the S25. It is without a doubt the closest you can get to the jaw dropping detail side of things without crossing over into harsh and strident territory. It threads that needle better than any speaker I've owned. Simply stunning transparency and clarity but still smooth and enjoyable. To me this is the ultimate goal.

Thanks for sharing, it seems you didn't give up much going from the 340 to the c1 which is surprising to me since I felt I lost dynamic slam and scale from the 3.4 to the c1. Maybe a couple of things for this, maybe the c1 mk 2 is markedly superior to the original c1 and maybe your NAD m2 with it's powerful current was able to more adequately drive the c1 as opposed to my measly Mcintosh 275 with it's measly 75 watts into 4 ohms.

Now I'm curious about the c1 for a second system biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

Thanks for sharing, it seems you didn't give up much going from the 340 to the c1 which is surprising to me since I felt I lost dynamic slam and scale from the 3.4 to the c1. Maybe a couple of things for this, maybe the c1 mk 2 is markedly superior to the original c1 and maybe your NAD m2 with it's powerful current was able to more adequately drive the c1 as opposed to my measly Mcintosh 275 with it's measly 75 watts into 4 ohms.

Now I'm curious about the c1 for a second system biggrin.gif

75 into 4? That is a bit paltry.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

75 into 4? That is a bit paltry.
That should be plenty if the amp is capable of high current when the speaker needs it. I would be very comfortable driving the C1 with a 75 WPC @ 4 Naim amp. I have heard an Octave V70-SE driving C1 MK II and it sounded fantastic.
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That should be plenty if the amp is capable of high current when the speaker needs it. I would be very comfortable driving the C1 with a 75 WPC @ 4 Naim amp. I have heard an Octave V70-SE driving C1 MK II and it sounded fantastic.

IDK; I get that argument...in theory. But then why high-powered amps? I mean, I understand...or should say feel...there are watts, and there are watts.

But what about a 500wpc Bryston? Doesn't it also deliver "high current" when needed? Mind you...I never said 75wpc at 4; that must sound bad. I just said it seemed a little under-powered.

Wait; EDIT- we're comparing SS and tube here. Different story. I don't know what it's rated at 4ohms...but the ARC VSi55 I'm trying, sounds full and powerful at 50 per side @ 8 biggrin.gif
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IDK; I get that argument...in theory. But then why high-powered amps? I mean, I understand...or should say feel...there are watts, and there are watts.

But what about a 500wpc Bryston? Doesn't it also deliver "high current" when needed? Mind you...I never said 75wpc at 4; that must sound bad. I just said it seemed a little under-powered.

Wait; EDIT- we're comparing SS and tube here. Different story. I don't know what it's rated at 4ohms...but the ARC VSi55 I'm trying, sounds full and powerful at 50 per side @ 8 biggrin.gif

I gave an example of both SS and Tube (Naim and Octave).

Continuous power doesn't matter nearly as much as the ability to deliver high current on demand. Our normal listening is only at a few WPC, but it's brief those dynamic moments when inadequate amps fall down. I get plenty of that listening to classical music and it's why I use a Naim 250 for amplification. I know it's ready when called upon with its 400 VA transformer and the ability to run stable down to 2 ohms. I have yet to throw anything at it that it cannot handle.
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I gave an example of both SS and Tube (Naim and Octave).

Continuous power doesn't matter nearly as much as the ability to deliver high current on demand. Our normal listening is only at a few WPC, but it's brief those dynamic moments when inadequate amps fall down. I get plenty of that listening to classical music and it's why I use a Naim 250 for amplification. I know it's ready when called upon with its 400 VA transformer and the ability to run stable down to 2 ohms. I have yet to throw anything at it that it cannot handle.

You make my point for me RT. Your Naim 250, is rated at 80 @ 8. Let's safely say it does 120 @ 4; that's nearly twice as highly rated as 75 @ 4. If that's all you "need", why not go with a smaller Naim?

Again; I know rated and headroom are different...and also again, I never said "75 @ 4; that must sound bad". Just seemed a little light to me. I mean c'mon; these numbers have to mean something.

But I will admit...my first experiment with tubes, shows me they can sound bigger than their number. Don't know that I can say the same of SS. I've tried a lot.
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