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I guess they want me to answer this question: "„What exactly will be revealed on the HIGH END Show in Munich?“

That's easy. I've already won. Woohoo!!

Answer: A dynaudio product
post #19052 of 21664
I would have guessed dynaudio headphones but it clearly states its a new speaker line and I don't think they would call headphones a speaker line and show a silhouette of speakers if it was cans.
post #19053 of 21664
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Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post

I would have guessed dynaudio headphones but it clearly states its a new speaker line and I don't think they would call headphones a speaker line and show a silhouette of speakers if it was cans.

Right; or a DAC, as someone suggested. Maybe they're trying to throw us off the trail? tongue.gif
post #19054 of 21664
Maybe it's called the Premiere? Simplicity itself!
post #19055 of 21664
I decided to just go ahead and pick up a power amp to power my contour monitors better

im currently looking at parasound halo a23 which does 200 watts per channel at 4 ohms (does the 4 ohms pertains to the contours right ?

or

outlaw audio 2200 monoblock (300 watts at 4 ohms) I would buy 2 of these at around $350 a piece


would I be better off buying the outlaw monoblocks given that I can get more watts per channel for a lower price (the small amount of research I have done on them has mixed reviews--some people find them to not sound to musical?)

looking for advice or other possible recommendations
post #19056 of 21664
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Originally Posted by Albert Lee View Post

Hi all

Came across a Dynaudio model available, but not sure its model and spec.

here are some basic spec:


Impedance: 4-8 ohms

Power handling: 50-250W

Dimensions: H 1300mm + D 540mm + W 280mm

Weight: 70kg





That's a homemade speaker using Dynaudio drivers or a third party speaker manufacturer using Dyne drivers, either way it's not an official speaker from Dynaudio.
post #19057 of 21664
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post


I think as some have already pointed out...today's big reveal, was a contest to name the new product; so it's likely not an Excite and/or Contour update, as some have speculated. And I know this is a bit of a reach at this point; but a statement like "but what exactly is it?"...just doesn't lead me to believe it's only a new speaker..

Reading the website I read it more as a "speaker/product identifying contest rather than a "Give it a Name " contest. The wording seemed pretty wonkey to me.
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post #19059 of 21664
rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post

The Stagediver? wth?

http://www.dynaudio.com/int/home_loudspeaker_systems/premiere2013.php

Simple...it's a play on words. It really means Stage Driver. And what kind of speaker drivers are used on stage? Why horns of course. Therefore the new speaker line uses horn drivers. Elementary my dear....rolleyes.gif
post #19060 of 21664
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Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post

The Stagediver? wth?

http://www.dynaudio.com/int/home_loudspeaker_systems/premiere2013.php

I'm betting these will be supposed quotes from different individuals come may 9th, so the typical stage diver is thrilled, that means this speaker plays loud and hard
post #19061 of 21664
ok guys, I was asking about amp recommendations for my contour monitors last week, but I decided to increase my budget to $2,500 for either an integrated amp or a power amp with a pre amp

I've been giving a hard look at the wyred 4 sound STI-2000 or maybe the STI 500

looking for opinions and other recomendation for this price range
post #19062 of 21664
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Originally Posted by mac336 View Post

ok guys, I was asking about amp recommendations for my contour monitors last week, but I decided to increase my budget to $2,500 for either an integrated amp or a power amp with a pre amp

I've been giving a hard look at the wyred 4 sound STI-2000 or maybe the STI 500

looking for opinions and other recomendation for this price range

in that price range Naim XS, Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum, T+A Power Plant , Bel Canto C5i.
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Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post

The Stagediver? wth?

http://www.dynaudio.com/int/home_loudspeaker_systems/premiere2013.php

i think it means its a speaker that going to rock.
post #19064 of 21664
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Originally Posted by mac336 View Post

ok guys, I was asking about amp recommendations for my contour monitors last week, but I decided to increase my budget to $2,500 for either an integrated amp or a power amp with a pre amp

I've been giving a hard look at the wyred 4 sound STI-2000 or maybe the STI 500

looking for opinions and other recomendation for this price range

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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

in that price range Naim XS, Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum, T+A Power Plant , Bel Canto C5i.

Macman, in that price range...you really have a whole host of choices; especially if you're open to buying used (which always offers good value, and return on your dollar).

With all due respect...I'm sure most of the recommendations you're likely to hear, will really just be what other people have liked (which, in fairness...is all they can offer). I guess my point is...I wouldn't spend that kind of dough, without hearing something myself; making sure it was something I liked.

I'm not trying to be sanctimonious. I know it can be tough to audition all the gear you're interested in; and I'm as big an advocate as anyone, that buying used...can offer the best audition of all. An in-home audition. I guess you're looking to take in some recommendations, do some research...and decide for yourself. If you can't actually try it out first; I'd come to a real consensus. Not to belabor the point; but $2500 sounds like a real step up for you. You'll want to make it count, yes?

I guess one thing I might caution against...is starting with class-D gear. Personally, I'm intrigued by class-D amps; but I've tried a few, and I'm still on the fence. I think they're kind of tricky, and maybe not for the un-initiated. Might want to start with more traditional A/B. Also...Callas mentions a tube unit (the Rogue); are you thinking tubes or SS is for you?
post #19065 of 21664
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

i think it means its a speaker that going to rock.

Maybe it's a "special" line; like the Sapphire. How would Dyn guys feel, if it was an off-shoot in a different direction?

High-efficiency, or a full-range single driver...lol. Would we try it, because we love Dyn...and in Dyn we trust; or would it go against what we love about Dyn in the first place?

I guess what it is, and what it will be comprised of...depends on how literally you take the teaser silhouette. That shows a stand-mount, and 2 floor-standers; akin to Dyn's traditional line-up. I just hope something still bolts to the Stand4 wink.gif

Maybe expand the Platinum line??
post #19066 of 21664
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Maybe it's a "special" line; like the Sapphire. How would Dyn guys feel, if it was an off-shoot in a different direction?

High-efficiency, or a full-range single driver...lol. Would we try it, because we love Dyn...and in Dyn we trust; or would it go against what we love about Dyn in the first place?

I think pigs fly the day dynes make high efficiency/horn style speakers, there's just too much coloration in those designs to pass their strict measurements:D Me I think it's an entry level line to replace the DM series.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post


Macman, in that price range...you really have a whole host of choices; especially if you're open to buying used (which always offers good value, and return on your dollar).

With all due respect...I'm sure most of the recommendations you're likely to hear, will really just be what other people have liked (which, in fairness...is all they can offer). I guess my point is...I wouldn't spend that kind of dough, without hearing something myself; making sure it was something I liked.

I'm not trying to be sanctimonious. I know it can be tough to audition all the gear you're interested in; and I'm as big an advocate as anyone, that buying used...can offer the best audition of all. An in-home audition. I guess you're looking to take in some recommendations, do some research...and decide for yourself. If you can't actually try it out first; I'd come to a real consensus. Not to belabor the point; but $2500 sounds like a real step up for you. You'll want to make it count, yes?

I guess one thing I might caution against...is starting with class-D gear. Personally, I'm intrigued by class-D amps; but I've tried a few, and I'm still on the fence. I think they're kind of tricky, and maybe not for the un-initiated. Might want to start with more traditional A/B. Also...Callas mentions a tube unit (the Rogue); are you thinking tubes or SS is for you?

I do agree, that an audition would be the best path too take. I also figured he was looking for suggestions to research and try what he thought he might like. Likewise Im not interested in class d amps, i have heard 1 or 2 and they always seem to be the least involving piece of gear in the room. For instance, Id take the Audio Research VSi60 over the DSi200, every time.

BTW, what are you using now? Did you keep the AR or CJ?
post #19068 of 21664
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Originally Posted by Dynero View Post

I think pigs fly the day dynes make high efficiency/horn style speakers, there's just too much coloration in those designs to pass their strict measurements:D Me I think it's an entry level line to replace the DM series.
im guessing its an excite revision or replacement for the excites. i also dont think dynaudio will vary too far from their norm, but I do think those silhouettes are a little too plain... jmo.
Edited by callas01 - 4/20/13 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I do agree, that an audition would be the best path too take. I also figured he was looking for suggestions to research and try what he thought he might like. Likewise Im not interested in class d amps, i have heard 1 or 2 and they always seem to be the least involving piece of gear in the room. For instance, Id take the Audio Research VSi60 over the DSi200, every time.

BTW, what are you using now? Did you keep the AR or CJ?

And Callas, I don't mean that to sound trite. I guess we can all assume..."audition is the best path", just goes without saying. But for Macman, I think it was important to note; because it appears he just wants to be told what's good...what to buy. I'm not trying to condemn him for that; again...I'm sure we can all understand, sometimes that's the only way. But, saying "sure...~$600 for an A23 is a pretty safe bet" (and it is. That's not a "hi-end" choice...probably not a lot of "finesse" or "character" there; but for ~$600, a solid, straight-ahead performer)...sight unseen; is much different, from trying to come to a consensus on a $2500 unit.

I am still wringing my hands, over the CA-200 and VSi-55. They are both that good. In fact...it made me examine something, about the nature of our gear. Don't take it for granted...lol.

When I first got the VSi-55...I was blown away. It was so engaging; and I made a point of paying attention to why. Huge, 3-dimensional sound-stage; big, fat, round sound...natural sounding bass (punchy and solid, for tubes...which is the rep of this unit; but not exaggerated...which is something I'm starting to read about. Audiophiles love big, ballsy bass; it's "showy", and something that can bring a guilty-pleasures sort of smile to your face...but is it really accurate, and balanced?), no treble hash, etc. After a good long session (a few weeks I mean...not hours), I do what I always do...when A/B-ing gear; I put the "old" piece back in, and see if I notice an immediate kind of drop-off.

I was so enamored with the VSi-55, I thought I would. The CA-200 was good; but I never felt this way about it. To my surprise...I didn't; immediately find it to somehow be "less", than the VSi-55 that is. When I really listened; really paid-attention...it was the equal of the VSi-55. Point is; I think I had just gotten used to it...and it took the newcomer, to really make me pay attention again, and remind me just how good it is. I've said it several times before; I...and maybe it's just me...find it hard to measure in a vacuum.

Not that I want to keep challenging. In fact, one of the reasons this might be such a tough choice...is I really plan to stay put for a long while. My system sounds fantastic right now...with either amp; and I see no reason to mess with that, one bit. I have a DAC that has allowed a significant jump in performance; and really been the first unit, where the difference between it and what came before it, just wowed me (the point being...even for a digital advocate like me...aka Mr. DAC, lol; the differences between many DACs is subtle. Not this one!). I'll choose one of these amps, and love it; and I might try this new thing from Dyn...against my lovely Compact 7s.

It's such a close call, I even elicited the "wife-test". It's been years, since I tried to drag the missus in for an opinion. She's got good ears, and at least loves the music; she just doesn't give a damn about sound. I didn't want to be that guy; who tried to explain, what she should be listening for. I simply picked 3 or 4 tracks, had her listen to one unit; volume-matched, played the tracks again on the other...and asked "which did you like better". She said "they sounded the same"; useless! lol. They don't, for the record...but it wasn't an absurd observation; they are close, in overall presentation. And the fact, that the SS CA-200 sounds so similar to a very, very good tube unit...is really testament to it (of course...the VSi-55, is rumored to sound very SS for a tube amp; so I suppose, it's also testament to the ARC).

I've switched through a lot of gear, over the past 6 years; and I can't ever recall, such a tough choice...except to maybe move-on from the Special 25s. frown.gif

So cherish your gear, gents! Sometimes...it's easy to just take it for granted.
Edited by CDLehner - 4/20/13 at 8:35am
post #19070 of 21664
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

im guessing its an excite revision or replacement for the excites. i also dont think dynaudio will vary too far from their norm, but I do think those silhouettes are a little too plain... jmo.

Callas, if you're right; I don't think that bodes well for the Contour line. Like it'll be a red-headed stepchild. Why no love?

Of course, we're just having a bit of fun...speculating, and carrying-on (isn't that exactly what Dyn wants, with this campaign?). And I don't think a DM update, gets anybody's heart racing.
post #19071 of 21664
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Callas, if you're right; I don't think that bodes well for the Contour line. Like it'll be a red-headed stepchild. Why no love?

Of course, we're just having a bit of fun...speculating, and carrying-on (isn't that exactly what Dyn wants, with this campaign?). And I don't think a DM update, gets anybody's heart racing.

well didnt the old focus come out just a year or two before the excites? now you bump up the focus to near contour prices, you have a gap in the pricing structure, where is your $2000 monitor? you jump from $3600 to $5k in a tower, why not bridge the gap? say $4000 and then a $3300 tower(besides i think we can mostly agree the x36 needs something... its somehow missing the mark of a stand out 3-way dynaudio speaker). the dms are price just right imo, maybe they make a $2500 3-way dm 4/7 down the road(a la audience 82). that buys you another year to reimagine the contours and the path they need to go, you could also raise the prices of the confidence line a little to make room for the new contours, given itll be 3 yrs since the confidence line came out, inflation.... (come on... just speculation), but that could work...
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

And Callas, I don't mean that to sound trite. I guess we can all assume..."audition is the best path", just goes without saying. But for Macman, I think it was important to note; because it appears he just wants to be told what's good...what to buy. I'm not trying to condemn him for that; again...I'm sure we can all understand, sometimes that's the only way. But, saying "sure...~$600 for an A23 is a pretty safe bet" (and it is. That's not a "hi-end" choice...probably not a lot of "finesse" or "character" there; but for ~$600, a solid, straight-ahead performer)...sight unseen; is much different, from trying to come to a consensus on a $2500 unit.

I am still wringing my hands, over the CA-200 and VSi-55. They are both that good. In fact...it made me examine something, about the nature of our gear. Don't take it for granted...lol.

When I first got the VSi-55...I was blown away. It was so engaging; and I made a point of paying attention to why. Huge, 3-dimensional sound-stage; big, fat, round sound...natural sounding bass (punchy and solid, for tubes...which is the rep of this unit; but not exaggerated...which is something I'm starting to read about. Audiophiles love big, ballsy bass; it's "showy", and something that can bring a guilty-pleasures sort of smile to your face...but is it really accurate, and balanced?), no treble hash, etc. After a good long session (a few weeks I mean...not hours), I do what I always do...when A/B-ing gear; I put the "old" piece back in, and see if I notice an immediate kind of drop-off.

I was so enamored with the VSi-55, I thought I would. The CA-200 was good; but I never felt this way about it. To my surprise...I didn't; immediately find it to somehow be "less", than the VSi-55 that is. When I really listened; really paid-attention...it was the equal of the VSi-55. Point is; I think I had just gotten used to it...and it took the newcomer, to really make me pay attention again, and remind me just how good it is. I've said it several times before; I...and maybe it's just me...find it hard to measure in a vacuum.

Not that I want to keep challenging. In fact, one of the reasons this might be such a tough choice...is I really plan to stay put for a long while. My system sounds fantastic right now...with either amp; and I see no reason to mess with that, one bit. I have a DAC that has allowed a significant jump in performance; and really been the first unit, where the difference between it and what came before it, just wowed me (the point being...even for a digital advocate like me...aka Mr. DAC, lol; the differences between many DACs is subtle. Not this one!). I'll choose one of these amps, and love it; and I might try this new thing from Dyn...against my lovely Compact 7s.

It's such a close call, I even elicited the "wife-test". It's been years, since I tried to drag the missus in for an opinion. She's got good ears, and at least loves the music; she just doesn't give a damn about sound. I didn't want to be that guy; who tried to explain, what she should be listening for. I simply picked 3 or 4 tracks, had her listen to one unit; volume-matched, played the tracks again on the other...and asked "which did you like better". She said "they sounded the same"; useless! lol. They don't, for the record...but it wasn't an absurd observation; they are close, in overall presentation. And the fact, that the SS CA-200 sounds so similar to a very, very good tube unit...is really testament to it (of course...the VSi-55, is rumored to sound very SS for a tube amp; so I suppose, it's also testament to the ARC).

I've switched through a lot of gear, over the past 6 years; and I can't ever recall, such a tough choice...except to maybe move-on from the Special 25s. frown.gif

So cherish your gear, gents! Sometimes...it's easy to just take it for granted.
huh..... youre in a situation it seems, one that is easy to be jealous of. i wish that CJ would have the htbp option, as well as t+a, and many other brands, as my 2-ch setup has to share the spotlight with my ht setup, i have very limited choices on what will work. i have considered a tube pre with a power amp like the A23; i am also considering just getting the XS and later if i need adding a nap200 for more power. as for ht, im thinking of getting an emotiva xpa3 for the center and surrounds, but i wont do that for 2-ch. however i do wish the emotiva did look better, kinda eh for me (yes i know naim isnt exactly exotic either)

i did the wife test once and she was honest and said the naim was clearly superior to the integra, however she did admit that she had hoped it wasnt the case so i would return the naim!!!! i found that i like my little jolida tube dac more then any dac around its $400 price, the soundstage is bigger the highs are better extended without being harsh like the rdac was, the bass is tighter, probably due to the power transformer vs the wall wart power supply. i dont think my dac will go anywhere unless i get up to the benchmark or wadia level.

i think the issue you will have to fight with any comparison between the harbeth and dyns will be, musical vs truthful, i think you know what i mean by that; not that either speaker isnt both......
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

huh..... youre in a situation it seems, one that is easy to be jealous of. i wish that CJ would have the htbp option, as well as t+a, and many other brands, as my 2-ch setup has to share the spotlight with my ht setup, i have very limited choices on what will work. i have considered a tube pre with a power amp like the A23; i am also considering just getting the XS and later if i need adding a nap200 for more power. as for ht, im thinking of getting an emotiva xpa3 for the center and surrounds, but i wont do that for 2-ch. however i do wish the emotiva did look better, kinda eh for me (yes i know naim isnt exactly exotic either)

i did the wife test once and she was honest and said the naim was clearly superior to the integra, however she did admit that she had hoped it wasnt the case so i would return the naim!!!! i found that i like my little jolida tube dac more then any dac around its $400 price, the soundstage is bigger the highs are better extended without being harsh like the rdac was, the bass is tighter, probably due to the power transformer vs the wall wart power supply. i dont think my dac will go anywhere unless i get up to the benchmark or wadia level.

i think the issue you will have to fight with any comparison between the harbeth and dyns will be, musical vs truthful, i think you know what i mean by that; not that either speaker isnt both......

The CA-200 has HTBP. wink.gif (so does the VSi-55 for that matter)
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

The CA-200 has HTBP. wink.gif (so does the VSi-55 for that matter)

for reals? cause i looked at their(CJs) site several times and couldnt fine any info on it having a htbp, and the photos are very limited... for the AR i asked my dealer about the vsi60 he didnt say anything other then the dsi200 had one, and the vsi60 is less expensive. however i would HAVE to keep the cage on the tubes, i have a 2.5 yr old.

so for sure the CJ does? how much is it?
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oh wow.... looks like ill be buying used... for sure if I go the CJ route
post #19076 of 21664
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post


Macman, in that price range...you really have a whole host of choices; especially if you're open to buying used (which always offers good value, and return on your dollar).

With all due respect...I'm sure most of the recommendations you're likely to hear, will really just be what other people have liked (which, in fairness...is all they can offer). I guess my point is...I wouldn't spend that kind of dough, without hearing something myself; making sure it was something I liked.

I'm not trying to be sanctimonious. I know it can be tough to audition all the gear you're interested in; and I'm as big an advocate as anyone, that buying used...can offer the best audition of all. An in-home audition. I guess you're looking to take in some recommendations, do some research...and decide for yourself. If you can't actually try it out first; I'd come to a real consensus. Not to belabor the point; but $2500 sounds like a real step up for you. You'll want to make it count, yes?

I guess one thing I might caution against...is starting with class-D gear. Personally, I'm intrigued by class-D amps; but I've tried a few, and I'm still on the fence. I think they're kind of tricky, and maybe not for the un-initiated. Might want to start with more traditional A/B. Also...Callas mentions a tube unit (the Rogue); are you thinking tubes or SS is for you?

I'm asking for suggestions because there any places in my location where I can audition gear, and if there is, there selection is very limited

im simply looking for recommendations for the best bang for buck amps in this price range that pair well with dynaudio speakers

I know many people in this forum have ample experience with numerous amps, which is why Im asking for insight

Absolutely, auditioning myself is the best method; however that is not an option for me.

basically my plan is get a rough idea of which amps will pair well with my contours within my budget, do research and narrow it down to a handful which are the best options for me, then wait to find a great deal on one of my choices

I figured tube is not even an option for me (given that great tube amps are very expensive and I can get an excellent solid state amp which will be able to better power my speakers at a much lower price--am i correct in this assumption)


also, what exactly about class D amp do you not like? reviews have been pretty mixed so far from what I've read
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Man! Did I have a fun day today!

My GF had to meet with a friend in Bethesda, MD, so I took the opportunity to pay JS Audio a visit, my first since I bought my X16s a year ago! Since they were a little short-staffed and the owner was busy with three customers from Mozambique, I more or less was on my own to "play" in the store and audition a lot of Dynaudio equipment!!!

First up was the Xeo5 system. The transmitter was placed in one demo room and the speakers in another, so I think this added to some wireless connection issues. But once everything was synced up, I managed to audition them. I can't say I came away impressed, even compared to my X16s, so after about 20-30 minutes with them, I took them out of any running as a future upgrade path. How can I describe them? I mean the lack of cables and ease of setup and no need for an expensive amp are all great selling points (especially if you have a wife who demands such things) and the sound is indeed great compared to similarly-priced "cosmetically" appealing systems, I felt the mids and bass to be lacking, even compared to my X16s. Remember, this was the Xeo5 system. I did not bother with the Xeo3.

After this, I spent another 60-90 minutes in another room, comparing more Dynaudio equipment.

The source during this series of auditions was the Get Lifted album by John Legend. The Ayre CX-7e CD player was connected to an Accuphase E-260 integrated amplifier.

I compared four pairs of speakers, back-to-back:

Focus 160
Contour S 1.4
Confidence C1 II (Signature)
Excite X36
Focus 160

I am not going to write a novel on the sonic qualities of each, but I can only describe my quick initial impressions. Keep in mind that these were all compared on the same equipment, same cable, same CD track(s), same stands (Stand4 aside from X36), same speaker position, and same listener position.

Contour: Wow. A lot of bass. A lot for its size. Too much? Mids and especially highs seemed more recessed?
Confidence: Wow. The vocals. How forward! Too forward? Like right in front of you singing in the same room kind of forward!
Focus 160: Wow! Wow! Wow! Offered amazing balance between bass, mids, and forward presence of the highs. Sounded to me like the perfect compromise between the Contour and C1.
X36: Similar to the Focus 160 but seemingly dialed back 15-20% in ALL respects. It leaves you asking the question, how does the Focus 160 do what it does for its size? (I had the similar gut feeling after I listened to the Monitor Audio RX8 and then listened to the Excite X12. How does the X12/X16 produce the sound that it does compared to say the RX8?)

After it was all said and done, I came back to the Focus 160 just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind, and I walked away with the same conclusion.

While I have never auditioned the X16s (not in my home and not at JS Audio) on such high-end equipment and while I am NOT disappointed with them whatsoever, my next speaker upgrade path is indeed clear: the Focus 160 with a nice set of stands. No question. Wow!

(They also have a pair of Focus 380s but I didn't have the time to audition them.)
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GTA - i love when those opportunities come to be able to listen to anything you want and just have fun. in regards to your thoughts, the contour 1.4s i do find they sound a little darker, yet not lacking detail or soundstaging more just on the cool side of neutral, but yes they have that upfront slam. the 160s are on the opposite side a little tipped up in the lower trebble, but not to where they come off to forward or bright, bass isnt as heavy, but it certianly is not lost and has good slam, and both share a very good and natural mid-range. i have never heard of the confidence described as forward, maybe there was just more detail and air around the instruments, creating a better sense of space and soundstaging bring vocals more outward and that is what you percieved as being forward. Ive heard the c1s and c2s on many, many, many occasions and they are never, imo forward. I actually find the 160s and c1s pretty closely related, except the c1s do it all 15% better. i have to say that unfortunately i find the x36 my least favorite 3-way speaker dynaudio makes, its just lacking somewhere, and the only thing it does to me is inspire me to step up to the focus or stop at the x32s.... so i stepped up.


well guys, i had the opportunity to hear the t+a hv music player and amp the other day, and im happy to say that it was very very good, and i was told it only had 2 hours on it, next time i go back ill be talking another listen to it for sure. of course its not in my price range at all, but its always nice to hear to hear high quality gear.
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^^^ Great write-up GTA; and it sounds like a fun day indeed. A few observations, about your audition process (and it sounds a bit impromptu...so it was what it was; and this is in no way meant as criticism...merely commentary).

Was the Get Lifted CD, your only material; was it your CD, or a CD you're even familiar with? If not...I find that, certainly, less than ideal. Two...not to split hairs; but I don't suppose you did a volume correction, between speakers like the S1.4 and C1 Sig? They are 1db less sensitive than the Focus 160s, and that could account for them sounding "better" (often, people prefer that which is louder).

I'm not trying to be a C1 defender; and for the record, I happen to agree with you about the S1.4s. While it is a very good speaker, I found it to be a bit out of balance; big bass, and that caused the mids and highs to be a bit "recessed" (which is what I think earns this speaker the "dark" label sometimes; though let me be clear...this might be a sound, some might find wholly acceptable. Even myself biggrin.gif)

It's great that you found the Focus to be the "best" of the lot; that's gonna save you a lot of dough...lol. And while I've heard great (not just good) things, from people who's ears I trust...about the 160s (even to the extent, that they also feel they bested S1.4s); I guess I would say to you...don't give up on the C1s just yet wink.gif

Not that you have to agree; and of course...I haven't heard the 160s yet (just the 140s, which I'm assured...are a completely different animal). But I found, the C1 Sigs...to technically be the best thing I have EVER heard, by way of loudspeaker. Technically meaning...if I had to hang a label like "best" on one; given tangible factors...it would be the one. Everyone will have intangible factors...that make one speaker, speak to them more-so over another; make that speaker, best for them. Sure...I gave C1 Sigs up, for Compact 7s; but that was more a matter of fit...literally and figuratively...than feeling the C1s were bested.

All I'm saying is...if all you threw at the C1s, was one amp, one CD; one placement...one room; you may not have uncovered their best. I said this once before: IMO, ever speaker has a ceiling; a best you can wrong from it...with the right kit, cabling, treatments, etc upstream. The C1s is extremely high. It might take a little more goading, than a speaker like the 160s (which is a kind of plus for the 160; it's "easy-going", and there's something to said for that); but I think it's capabilities are almost limitless (for a stand-mount, of course).

By all means...laser-focus in on 160s; I have heard they're dyn-amite. But X16, to Focus 160s...to C1 Sigs; sounds like a perfectly logical upgrade path to me. Establish the right relationship with your dealer...by buying the 160s; and when the time is right, maybe you can wrangle an in-home audition of the C1s...and see what they're really capable of.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

GTA - i love when those opportunities come to be able to listen to anything you want and just have fun. in regards to your thoughts, the contour 1.4s i do find they sound a little darker, yet not lacking detail or soundstaging more just on the cool side of neutral, but yes they have that upfront slam. the 160s are on the opposite side a little tipped up in the lower trebble, but not to where they come off to forward or bright, bass isnt as heavy, but it certianly is not lost and has good slam, and both share a very good and natural mid-range. i have never heard of the confidence described as forward, maybe there was just more detail and air around the instruments, creating a better sense of space and soundstaging bring vocals more outward and that is what you percieved as being forward. Ive heard the c1s and c2s on many, many, many occasions and they are never, imo forward. I actually find the 160s and c1s pretty closely related, except the c1s do it all 15% better. i have to say that unfortunately i find the x36 my least favorite 3-way speaker dynaudio makes, its just lacking somewhere, and the only thing it does to me is inspire me to step up to the focus or stop at the x32s.... so i stepped up.


well guys, i had the opportunity to hear the t+a hv music player and amp the other day, and im happy to say that it was very very good, and i was told it only had 2 hours on it, next time i go back ill be talking another listen to it for sure. of course its not in my price range at all, but its always nice to hear to hear high quality gear.

Callas, I think that's a very sound point. The C1 was the only speaker GTA heard, with the Esotar(2). For myself...I found it outstanding; as I could tell immediately...there was more air and space around instruments. Everything was extended...but not the least bit harsh or forward (remember...my C1 Sigs were already broken in tongue.gif)

But I could see, how that might be mistaken for forward. I also think...as I said in my commentary...that auditioning with 1 CD (if that was the case), is useless. I don't "blame" GTA; showroom auditions, are what they are (which is why I hate them). But perhaps that CD is "forward", and the C1s are just more resolving...more revealing of that fact.

In any case...again; I think GTA should be perfectly happy. Who wants to upgrade just once...lol. Get 160s, like as soon as you can. I think all anyone is saying is...don't form an opinion, on a speaker as good as the C1 Sig; based on this one, rather narrow audition.
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