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So if I'm looking to spend under ~$800 for an integrated amp in a 18x24 room with Focus 140s, are there any brands I may have overlooked? The Marantz PM-8004/8003 and the Creek Evolution 2 both seem popular, as well as the Outlaw stereo receiver; I'm also considering a separates setup with an Outlaw 975 and emo amps. Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post

So if I'm looking to spend under ~$800 for an integrated amp in a 18x24 room with Focus 140s, are there any brands I may have overlooked? The Marantz PM-8004/8003 and the Creek Evolution 2 both seem popular, as well as the Outlaw stereo receiver; I'm also considering a separates setup with an Outlaw 975 and emo amps. Any thoughts?

I've auditioned amps in that price range and imo it can be very tricky. I listened to the amps trough the Contour S1.4's and to be honest, most of the amps below €1000 had very poor bass control, and a muffled mid. Among them was the Marantz you listed. I thought out of the cheaper amps, a Rotel did the best job (forgot the model, but it was in that price range).

I eventually wasn't satisfied with the amps I heard, but the dealer insisted I had to listen to the Roksan Kandy K2, which back then was priced €1250. I was impressed and got the showroom model for €1000. I think nowadays they cost something like €900, but still above your price range.

So yeah.. Make sure to either audition them yourself (with dynaudio speakers) or inform what amps work well with dynaudio speakers, because from my experience, a lot of the amps in your price range have a hard time.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

GTA/Callas...any updates?

well.... i set the 160s aside and put a loaner pair of 260s up in my setup, played all kinds of music, actually Im still playing music right now. I have to say that the 260s handle some of these tracks much better then the 160s. As you know i can push my setup a little, but even with the 260s the 5i is holding its own, Im quite surprised. I did play star tracks Imperial march and mahlers 5th tonight, some tracks by A perfect circle, john mayer, Adele, Smashing pumpkins, Foo Fighters, Toad the Wet Sproket, two door cinema club and a few others... and nothing but good news. the 5i is running cool and dynamic, the 260s arent being asked to do more then they can... as day 1 of the loaner pair of speakers go, Im thinking im leaning towards buying a pair. the wife seems to like the tower look at the walnut moreso then the bookies and the rosewood, so far a win in the waf department too. However she did say that the center didnt match... looks like ill have to upgrade the center too. hahahaha.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post

I've auditioned amps in that price range and imo it can be very tricky. I listened to the amps trough the Contour S1.4's and to be honest, most of the amps below €1000 had very poor bass control, and a muffled mid. Among them was the Marantz you listed. I thought out of the cheaper amps, a Rotel did the best job (forgot the model, but it was in that price range).

I eventually wasn't satisfied with the amps I heard, but the dealer insisted I had to listen to the Roksan Kandy K2, which back then was priced €1250. I was impressed and got the showroom model for €1000. I think nowadays they cost something like €900, but still above your price range.

So yeah.. Make sure to either audition them yourself (with dynaudio speakers) or inform what amps work well with dynaudio speakers, because from my experience, a lot of the amps in your price range have a hard time.

what youre saying is exactly why i love my naim nait 5i, used you can get them for about $1k, and right now they are power the 260s just fine.

Amatuer, I might sell my naim, if i decide to go there, we might be able to come to a mutual agreement. however im at least a week from deciding oh whether to keep it or not.
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Thanks for the ideas guys! The Dyn thread was feeling a bit dead lately so I wanted to give us something to talk about smile.gif This was a challenge I know, but it's also good for ideas for my future setup.

Also, I'm not sure my wife would be happy with me spending another $1k+ on equipment right now, haha, but thanks for the offer Callas. Awesome that you get a loaner pair of 260s btw, make sure to take a few pics while you've got them!
Edited by amatuerholic - 5/24/13 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

well.... i set the 160s aside and put a loaner pair of 260s up in my setup, played all kinds of music, actually Im still playing music right now. I have to say that the 260s handle some of these tracks much better then the 160s. As you know i can push my setup a little, but even with the 260s the 5i is holding its own, Im quite surprised. I did play star tracks Imperial march and mahlers 5th tonight, some tracks by A perfect circle, john mayer, Adele, Smashing pumpkins, Foo Fighters, Toad the Wet Sproket, two door cinema club and a few others... and nothing but good news. the 5i is running cool and dynamic, the 260s arent being asked to do more then they can... as day 1 of the loaner pair of speakers go, Im thinking im leaning towards buying a pair. the wife seems to like the tower look at the walnut moreso then the bookies and the rosewood, so far a win in the waf department too. However she did say that the center didnt match... looks like ill have to upgrade the center too. hahahaha.

I am trying to decide what my next upgrade will be, I just got the Focus 110s recently but have been debating whether I will get C1s or focus 220 MKII/Focus 260. I had DM3/7s originally by the recommendation of Sunil however, I am far happier with the Focus 110s. Callas did you get these loaned from Sunny's?
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^^^ Exciting stuff guys; I am living vicariously through you...since my system is pretty set these days (finally!)

Callas, good luck with the 260s! I still say you could use something, with a little more balls than the 5-i (and you could sell it to amatuer tongue.gif); but I know you love that Naim sound.
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Several weeks ago (April 20), I posted about my adventure to JS Audio where I demoed the Focus 160/C1 Mk II/Contour S1.4. During that trip, Joe proposed an upgrade path leading me to the Focus 160 + Stand6 stands. Well, after getting "wife" approval, I went for it. (She was unemployed at the time the decision was made, so the decision on my part was neither wise nor prudent, but I threw my cap over the wall anyway. As luck would have it, she is now employed again.)

So sitting in front of me is a pair of maple Focus 160s sitting on Stand6 stands.

Amplification has sadly not been changed. My plan is a November investment into a used Naim product (SN, XS2) plus music server and DAC. Budget not that extreme. Though there are rumors on the wind that Naim is going to release some new toys soon. No additional speaker upgrades will come without first upgrading the amplification side, so I will not be following Callas up the 260 path smile.gif

I just want to shout out to Joe, Dave, and Steve over at JS Audio as they are a great bunch to work with.
Edited by GTaudiophile - 5/25/13 at 7:19am
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Congrats GT. :-)
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Originally Posted by Mukha View Post

Hi everyone,

I'm having a bit of a problem with my Dyns (well, if you search the archives for my posts on this thread, you'll see that I have been having lots of problems). I need an esotar 2 tweeter replacement for a Contour SCX and 2 esotec tweeter replacements for old vinyl laminate Audience 52s. For reasons I'd really rather not go into, I don't want to use the local distributor/dealer from who I purchased them (Australia). Also, due to all the previous hassles and the years(!) long wait(!) for replacement drivers to arrive(!), they are all out of warranty. Does anyone know where I can get cheap replacements? I saw a cheap esotar 2 advertised on audiogon, but it was intended for a Confidence C2, so I suspect it has an 8 ohm nominal impedance due to the C2s dual tweeter array?

Also, is there a centre channel stand for the Contour SCX that can stand freely off the floor a bit?

Thanks.

Contact this store in Germany and see if they can get the tweeters you need; you would have to send them the defective ones.

http://www.hifisound.de/oxid/oxid.php/sid/bca97fd137c5c37db62fc8654506a176/cl/alist/cnid/3254e6dc81ead09b9.64452318
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

^^^ Exciting stuff guys; I am living vicariously through you...since my system is pretty set these days (finally!)

Callas, good luck with the 260s! I still say you could use something, with a little more balls than the 5-i (and you could sell it to amatuer tongue.gif); but I know you love that Naim sound.

Callas, do you have a sub in your system? If not...maybe that's what you need?

I think your dealer, basically determined you were asking too much of the 160s...with these big, bombastic pieces you were pushing them with; might be a sub could take the pressure off of stand-mounts (or even the 260s), and allow the mains to focus on doing what they do best. It would also probably mean, the 5-i...or certainly XS...should drive you plenty well too.

Just curious.
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I ran the 160s out of the box all yesterday afternoon/evening and yes they are lovely. It's not just the added mid-bass sweetness they provide but also an almost encompassing 3D-like effect to the music. Compared to the X16s, the bass digs just a little deeper but is also rolled-off in a smoother way. What I mean by "3D" is harder to explain. The mids are forward the way I like. The bass "feels" like it emanates from behind the speakers or something. And the highs are just like all around you. It almost feels like there is a pair behind me in a way. It's really cool and may just be the way I have things set up. And it may just all be in my head smile.gif But that's the best way I can describe it.

When I was at JS last week, they had a pair of X16s hooked up to a really nice Boulder (or was it Ayre?) setup and WOW did they sing like mine never did on my lowly HK 3490. Comparing the X16 on that setup vs. the 160 on my HK 3490, the X16 still has an edge IMO on imaging and maybe high-end sparkle if you will. The X16 still offers an amazing value IMO in terms of its size and sound for the price point. It was absolutely the right speaker for me at the time.
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I have a question for Jaxwired: In reference to your recent pics of your setup, can you tell us the distance (in inches/feet) between the two front speakers? What about the distance between them and your listening position? (We don't see this side of the room from your pics. It's hard to tell where you sit in reference to them.) Finally, from the pics it looks like you're not using any toe-in? The speakers are not angled at all towards the listener? Or is this assumption incorrect?
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Callas, do you have a sub in your system? If not...maybe that's what you need?

I think your dealer, basically determined you were asking too much of the 160s...with these big, bombastic pieces you were pushing them with; might be a sub could take the pressure off of stand-mounts (or even the 260s), and allow the mains to focus on doing what they do best. It would also probably mean, the 5-i...or certainly XS...should drive you plenty well too.

Just curious.

the 5i has been playing the 260s all weekend and they have been playing well together. the 260s can certianly do things that the 160s cannot, but im not sure the 260s stay.. i do have a sub, since my speakers pull double duty, ht/2-ch, which is why the htbp is a must.
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

I ran the 160s out of the box all yesterday afternoon/evening and yes they are lovely. It's not just the added mid-bass sweetness they provide but also an almost encompassing 3D-like effect to the music. Compared to the X16s, the bass digs just a little deeper but is also rolled-off in a smoother way. What I mean by "3D" is harder to explain. The mids are forward the way I like. The bass "feels" like it emanates from behind the speakers or something. And the highs are just like all around you. It almost feels like there is a pair behind me in a way. It's really cool and may just be the way I have things set up. And it may just all be in my head smile.gif But that's the best way I can describe it.

When I was at JS last week, they had a pair of X16s hooked up to a really nice Boulder (or was it Ayre?) setup and WOW did they sing like mine never did on my lowly HK 3490. Comparing the X16 on that setup vs. the 160 on my HK 3490, the X16 still has an edge IMO on imaging and maybe high-end sparkle if you will. The X16 still offers an amazing value IMO in terms of its size and sound for the price point. It was absolutely the right speaker for me at the time.


congrats on the speakers!!!

amplification will have a lot to do with the performance of the speakers. thats not to dimenish the X16s, sometimes i still miss them they are a great speaker, but the 160s are a better speaker. Once you switch out the amp and processor, im sure you will get that imaging and top-end sparkle youre looking for.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

congrats on the speakers!!!

amplification will have a lot to do with the performance of the speakers. thats not to dimenish the X16s, sometimes i still miss them they are a great speaker, but the 160s are a better speaker. Once you switch out the amp and processor, im sure you will get that imaging and top-end sparkle youre looking for.

+1

Dyns sound great with moderate amps, but they really shine and come into their own when you make improvements in pre- and power-amplification.
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Callas, what model Panny Plasma do you have? Tempted to upgrade, to one of the highly touted...new 'T' series? ST is supposed to be killer for the money; and VT and ZT are "best-ever" level panels (called Kuro killers), even though they cost a pretty penny.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Callas, what model Panny Plasma do you have? Tempted to upgrade, to one of the highly touted...new 'T' series? ST is supposed to be killer for the money; and VT and ZT are "best-ever" level panels (called Kuro killers), even though they cost a pretty penny.

I have the 55ST50, this was the one that HTM reviewed and loved it nearly as much as the VT series of last year. and i have to say that it was better at black levels then the Sony xbr950 that the wife and i were looking at. What I did was found it last year, but waited for CES to come so that they launched the new lines, and then we snatched up the previous years unit for about half price. everyone thats seen it cant believe the PQ, its a perfect tv for this room and setup.
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Originally Posted by samsung84 View Post

I am trying to decide what my next upgrade will be, I just got the Focus 110s recently but have been debating whether I will get C1s or focus 220 MKII/Focus 260. I had DM3/7s originally by the recommendation of Sunil however, I am far happier with the Focus 110s. Callas did you get these loaned from Sunny's?

hey, yeah, i did. i have the 2/6s for surrounds and like them upfront for a change up, pretty good speakers for their size. i found the 3/7s a little too agressive. the focus seems a little smoother.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I have the 55ST50, this was the one that HTM reviewed and loved it nearly as much as the VT series of last year. and i have to say that it was better at black levels then the Sony xbr950 that the wife and i were looking at. What I did was found it last year, but waited for CES to come so that they launched the new lines, and then we snatched up the previous years unit for about half price. everyone thats seen it cant believe the PQ, its a perfect tv for this room and setup.

Yup; the ST is supposed to offer real bang-for-the-buck. Only if you want to squeeze that last ounce of performance...do you need to spend the extra dough, to go VT or ZT (sound familiar...lol)

I'm giving serious thought, to replacing my (lowly) TC-P50...with a 55ST60!

Back to audio; can I ask what sub you're using? I just find it surprising, it's coming up...seemingly short, on some of these torture tracks. Have you played with cross-over; maybe you're asking too much of the mains, and should be shifting more of the heavy-lifting to the sub? Maybe you need a sub upgrade...not mains, or electronics?

Also...why aren't the 260s working out, big picture? You can PM me if you like.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

hey, yeah, i did. i have the 2/6s for surrounds and like them upfront for a change up, pretty good speakers for their size. i found the 3/7s a little too agressive. the focus seems a little smoother.

That is interesting, I found the DM 3/7 dull and lifeless compared to the focus. I lived with them for 2 years but it was the recessed midrange that I couldn't take anymore. Do your Focus 160 ever bottom out? That is the only problem I have with my Focus 110. I like to listen to music at high volumes and they come so close to cutting it, but not quite and movies with deep bass can overdrive them a bit. The only thing making me gun-shy about going with Focus 160 or C1's is bottoming out. I have my 2 sealed Martin Logan subs blended so well that I can't tell they are there.
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here is my setup, I realized I hadn't posted it or my old setup for that matter
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Originally Posted by samsung84 View Post

I like to listen to music at high volumes and they come so close to cutting it, but not quite and movies with deep bass can overdrive them a bit. The only thing making me gun-shy about going with Focus 160 or C1's is bottoming out. I have my 2 sealed Martin Logan subs blended so well that I can't tell they are there.

Are you using bass management to cross over to the subs or are the speakers still receiving full range?
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Originally Posted by kiwi2 View Post

Are you using bass management to cross over to the subs or are the speakers still receiving full range?

I have the Simaudio I-3 for both stereo and HT bypass and the Focus 110s get full range. I have the Martin logan subs running in stereo speaker level with the crossover set at around 60hz which is a little bit below where the 110s start to taper off. Currently I am not using the sub out on my NAD receiver, however the Martin Logan subs offer a very realistic even room filling impact.
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Originally Posted by samsung84 View Post

That is interesting, I found the DM 3/7 dull and lifeless compared to the focus. I lived with them for 2 years but it was the recessed midrange that I couldn't take anymore. Do your Focus 160 ever bottom out? That is the only problem I have with my Focus 110. I like to listen to music at high volumes and they come so close to cutting it, but not quite and movies with deep bass can overdrive them a bit. The only thing making me gun-shy about going with Focus 160 or C1's is bottoming out. I have my 2 sealed Martin Logan subs blended so well that I can't tell they are there.

I didnt like the 3/7s when i heard them, they had bass, but compared to the 1.4s they were bright and yes, the mids were recessed. however i find the 2/6s to be quite the opposite, they were surprising to me. Like a small version of the 160s, not as much detail or bottom end, but a very good speaker for $800.

funny you should ask. yes, the 160s have bottomed out, however its only happened with 1 cd. its the battle track on the gladiator soundtrack. otherwise i havent had any issues and i push them around a lot with a lot of different styles of music at high volumes.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Yup; the ST is supposed to offer real bang-for-the-buck. Only if you want to squeeze that last ounce of performance...do you need to spend the extra dough, to go VT or ZT (sound familiar...lol)

I'm giving serious thought, to replacing my (lowly) TC-P50...with a 55ST60!

Back to audio; can I ask what sub you're using? I just find it surprising, it's coming up...seemingly short, on some of these torture tracks. Have you played with cross-over; maybe you're asking too much of the mains, and should be shifting more of the heavy-lifting to the sub? Maybe you need a sub upgrade...not mains, or electronics?

Also...why aren't the 260s working out, big picture? You can PM me if you like.

I had an eD A2-300 but it died on me on friday night. so now im gonna buy a hsu vtf-2.4. i dont use it for music, i dont like a sub involved with my 2-ch. but with certian tracks it will become a useful option.
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Originally Posted by samsung84 View Post

I have the Simaudio I-3 for both stereo and HT bypass and the Focus 110s get full range. I have the Martin logan subs running in stereo speaker level with the crossover set at around 60hz which is a little bit below where the 110s start to taper off. Currently I am not using the sub out on my NAD receiver, however the Martin Logan subs offer a very realistic even room filling impact.

I find two-ways high pass filtered from 60 or 80hz greatly increases their ability to play louder without distortion and also offer greater midrange clarity and detail at all volume levels. A two-way's dB output may begin to taper off at 60 or 50hz... but that doesn't mean the woofer isn't still trying to flap around trying to reproduce the 20 or 30hz signal.

If a speaker can't reproduce that part of the signal, then why feed it to it in the first place? You don't actually gain anything but lose clarity and detail and gain distortion.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I didnt like the 3/7s when i heard them, they had bass, but compared to the 1.4s they were bright and yes, the mids were recessed. however i find the 2/6s to be quite the opposite, they were surprising to me. Like a small version of the 160s, not as much detail or bottom end, but a very good speaker for $800.

I preferred the 2/6 over the 3/7 as well when I had an audition at a local store. I also preferred the sound of the 2/6 over X16's at the audition as well. To me the X16's sounded too analytical.
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Hi guys.

I'm new to these forums, and as of yesterday the proud owner of a set of Dynaudio Xeo 3 speakers.

Hopefully someone here will be able to help me with a problem.

I have hooked the transmitter to my TV, so I run all my sound through there. The problem comes when I use my Apple TV. It seems like the wireless signal that goes to the speakers disrupts the wireless signal that goes into the ATV (from my ipad for example). Have any of you experienced similar problems with this setup, and if you have, did you find a solution?
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