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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

I really want to know, what you (and others, of course) think. How did you come to terms, with trading down like that; and do you (and why) now think, Bryston is "over-priced"?

For me at least, as the audiophile myths continue to unravel justification for trading down - without compromise - in one area allows for more budget allocated to components that really matter - speakers, sub, room treatments, etc. Note: this does require the maturity to understand, embrace even, the notion that "sounds better" does not apply to all gear, all strands of copper, in all rooms, to all ears...
post #19592 of 21651
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Originally Posted by chordian View Post

Hi guys.I'm new to these forums, and as of yesterday the proud owner of a set of Dynaudio Xeo 3 speakers. Hopefully someone here will be able to help me with a problem. I have hooked the transmitter to my TV, so I run all my sound through there. The problem comes when I use my Apple TV. It seems like the wireless signal that goes to the speakers disrupts the wireless signal that goes into the ATV (from my ipad for example). Have any of you experienced similar problems with this setup, and if you have, did you find a solution?

That doesn't sound good!
post #19593 of 21651
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

Choose your poison.Bryston 28B SST 1000 watts, $9600
Weight: 92 lbs
Emotiva XRP-1 1000 watts, 1,750 watts into 4 Ohms. $1499 Weight: 99 lbs

Yes except the Bryston won't smell like some one burned electronics inside!
post #19594 of 21651
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes except the Bryston won't smell like some one burned electronics inside!

You’re probably making reference to their CD player but…..

Not so fast there.... most know I'm a long time advocate and Bryston user, but I've had two Brystons go up in smoke.
A 3B NRB which I bought new in 1991 and after 10 years of use , for no apparent reason while playing Christmas Carols of all things it decided to join in with the Xmas candles. Mind you Chris Russell took one look at it and sent me a new ST.
My current 2BLP pro which I bought used only had one channel working, a quick peek inside revealed it had died from a similar fate, again totally restored under warranty.
And yes I've read similar stories about Emotiva, again all customer issues were resolved.
My point being no manufacturer is exempt from equipment failure, and the internet chatter can make things appear far worse than they really are, but it's good to know your covered.
Edited by rob80b - 6/15/13 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

callas01:

Thanks man, they have seen many high end amps in their day! The best sounding was a 7K Musical Fidelity KW-500 Int. Amp, that beast put out 1000 watts of good clean fun into 4ohms. I will have it paired up with a A5 MF Pre/Amp and or a Rogue Audio Metis Tube pre/amp, and the Amp will be the XPA-2, hopefully the results will be decent with my C2s.

CDLehner: Need to post some pics of those Racks he is building, I sent him pictures over a year ago to help me out, love to see the finished product!

Gamble6odi:

I have had a ton of gear over the years anything from high end solid state stuff to tube gear. Here is a short list:

Int Amps

Musical Fidelity:
KW-500 Int. Amp
A5 Int. Amp
A3.5 Int. Amp
A308 Int. Amp
Chiro C-200 Amp update "Still have"
Rogue Metis Pre/Amp
Chiro Modified Amp
Threshold T-800D
Threshold T-200
Threshold T-100
Marantz PM7200 Int. Amp
Marantz Receiver for HT.
Classe
Luxman
Chord
Krell
Mark Levinson

Too many other too remember. wink.gif

Currently trying:
Rogue Audio Sphinx tube Int. Amp great piece for bookshelves, as it has tube output stage.
2013 CES best budget Int. Amp.
Emotiva XPA-2
Jesus ******* Christ! no Naim on the list! you oughtta be banned!

no, seriously, that list is supposed to be submitted to evaluation by CD before you even dare to think about giving any qualitative opinion.
post #19596 of 21651
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Pretty interesting Rob...to me anyway (but then we all know, I'm kind of fascinated and searching for audiophile answers. The audiophil-osopher, Jax coined me wink.gif). Most intriguing; Bryston...oh so long ago...used to be "pro" audio. That's what these hardcore, an-amp-is-an-amp advocates usually tout (because of the insane watt/dollar ratio). So according to Rob; Bryston was kind of the Crown of its day.
OK; coffee's gone. biggrin.gif

Actually Crown has been around a lot longer, established in the mid 40's if I'm not mistaken, Chris Russell (Bryston) started building amps for studios in and around Toronto about 1972.
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

Jesus ******* Christ! no Naim on the list! you oughtta be banned!

no, seriously, that list is supposed to be submitted to evaluation by CD before you even dare to think about giving any qualitative opinion.

No Brystons either!!!eek.gif
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Originally Posted by gn77b View Post

no, seriously, that list is supposed to be submitted to evaluation by CD before you even dare to think about giving any qualitative opinion.

I hope this is made in jest. I'm no authority, on jack...lol. I've heard some gear (that kinda of thing, being wholly relative; more than some, surely less than others)...and I can tell you what I liked and didn't; and why...in some detail, lol. I'm just a guy with passion, who likes to think out loud...and can turn a sentence.
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

Actually Crown has been around a lot longer, established in the mid 40's if I'm not mistaken, Chris Russell (Bryston) started building amps for studios in and around Toronto about 1972.

Sure; my point being more, Bryston made the jump...from "pro" gear, to the legitimate hi-end. And that perhaps, a company like Crown was next.
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Oh yeah CD, what kind of stands are you running your Harbeths on? They seemed quite hefty in the pictures you sent me for the stand4s (sorry for being nosy, I couldn't help but notice those things).
post #19600 of 21651
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Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post

Oh yeah CD, what kind of stands are you running your Harbeths on? They seemed quite hefty in the pictures you sent me for the stand4s (sorry for being nosy, I couldn't help but notice those things).

Ah; good eye Amatuer! The stands are custom-made by Tyler Acoustics, for Harbeths; these, built to size for 7ES-3s http://www.tyleracoustics.com/stands.html

There's a grand debate, among Harbeth owners (can you imagine); wood or metal stands. Sound Anchor, makes a very stout...3 or 4-post stand, custom for Harbeths; that's the metal. And Skylan makes the other, very-popular wood counterpart. But you know me; I tend to march to my own drummer a bit...lol.

For me, Harbeth is all about the wood anyway; so that's how I roll...and I think these Tyler are beautiful. They're solid, as they are; but the entire base, is sealed to be fill-able (though I have yet to do so). Given its size...I would imagine, filled with sand or sand/shot for you brave types, lol; they might tip the scales, near 100 lbs a piece...when mass-loaded.



How are your stands serving you; all still well I hope?
post #19601 of 21651
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post





Hi CD

Something alluring about your setup and as the box to the right says "Just Listen"!!

But I see they're up for sale, what's next?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475445/harbeth-7es-3s-30th-cherry-w-custom-tyler-stands-reduced#post_23382376
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^^^ So...no opinions or advice, on possible modding huh? Or are you just keeping your opinions...like "why go and f*ck-up a good thing CD"...to yourselves, lol.

Well...for anyone, who has thought of looking into caps; here's a good summation...I came across in my research http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html

Of course, it's just one guy's opinion; so take that fwiw. But you'd be hard-pressed, to find more caps, tested and rated like that. It does appear a bit dated; so...no V-caps, for example http://www.v-cap.com/

Everyone raves about Teflon caps, in C-J pre-amps; why not other pre-amps as well?? As long as you have the ~400 hours, for break-in eek.gif

Auricaps, one of 'philes favs...now makes a Teflon cap http://www.audiocap.net/Audience.htm

Just kicking the topic around. If there's no takers here, just food for thought (and another cap shoot-out http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=54218.0)
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

Hi CD

Something alluring about your setup and as the box to the right says "Just Listen"!!

But I see they're up for sale, what's next?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475445/harbeth-7es-3s-30th-cherry-w-custom-tyler-stands-reduced#post_23382376

Well Rob; that "just listen" box...contains my long-since-ordered, yet-to-be-installed...4x2x2" acoustic panels. redface.gif What do you think; sitting in the corner like that...can I at least count them as a bass-trap. tongue.gif

Yes...these Harbeths, are up on the auction-blocks; but before you go ripping me a new one, and saying "how can CD, out one side of his mouth; profess his love for these Harbeths...and yet, be selling them in 6 months, seemingly like everything else". What's next...is actually new 7ES-3s! That's how much I love them.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

. What's next...is actually new 7ES-3s! That's how much I love them.

At one point in my travels I was comparing the Harbeths, Spendors and the french JM Reynaud as a different alternative to my Celestion SL6Ss, any of the three I could have lived with, but somewhere along the line I opted for the Contour 1.3MKIIs. I guess you could say the Dyns sat somewhere in the middle.
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well guys, back from my vacation at zion natl park, bryce canyon natl park, red valley natl park and the grand staircase natl park and the dixie national forest. exhausted but it was a great adventure with my kids and family. ill post a couple pictures later.


i see we are talking amps, and while people are saying that going from xyz to emo is a way to save money and get great performance, and i agree, there are also those that have had emo and gone to xyz and say theyve experienced improvements... i dont think either camp is wrong. and i dont think that everything thats more expensive is better. some is, some isnt. now personally, i think that preamps are more important then the power amp, but ive found a power amp with some class a in the frist 5-10 watts always tend to sound better to me. i like having a tube pre with a ss power amp also... although i havent got to own one yet, when i do hear that combination, its always a great experiance. i know no ones talked naim, but naim tends to have a smooth top-end almost tube like, but with nice low-end slam and grip, that i really like, and i find naim to be very musical and with the prat people always talk about. i also heard some very nice things with bel canto, and that happens to be class d i believe. the first class d that ive really really liked.
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

At one point in my travels I was comparing the Harbeths, Spendors and the french JM Reynaud as a different alternative to my Celestion SL6Ss, any of the three I could have lived with, but somewhere along the line I opted for the Contour 1.3MKIIs. I guess you could say the Dyns sat somewhere in the middle.

Rob, if I try any more brands...it will likely be Spendor (the SA-1 is intriguing. Tempted to try them in the Office rig, but I suspect that is overkill), or PMC (and maybe DeVORE, lol). If the audio gods would see fit...I'd have space for a small, intimate system...with these 7s; and a proper, bigger room...for C2s! biggrin.gif

I'm working on making my own divinity. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

i see we are talking amps, and while people are saying that going from xyz to emo is a way to save money ...........

........ but ive found a power amp with some class a in the frist 5-10 watts always tend to sound better to me. i

Well in that case there is always Emotiva's new 35 watt class “A” mono blocks biggrin.gif

Power output (all channels driven):
250 watts @ 8 ohm (0.1% THD)
500 watts @ 4 ohm (0.1% THD)
35 watts @ 8 ohm; Class A operation
Note: In Class A mode, under normal conditions, the XPA-1L operates in pure Class A mode at all power levels up to 35 wattsPower output (all channels driven):


BTW, they will also be releasing a new tube amp rolleyes.gif
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ive seen that amp many times..... something i would consider... if i was looking to make a change. at this point, im happy where im at.
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^^^ Well...if Emotiva, wants to be the next Bryston; they've got to do something about that damn power-button. I mean, I've never had one...so maybe I'm mistaken; but it looks like it's plastic!?
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

How are your stands serving you; all still well I hope?

I like them more each day! They look great, put the tweeters at the right height, and should be mostly child-safe when we get to that point in life. I'm really enjoying them and will probably use them until I go with floorstanding speakers, if I ever make that change. They give me a great excuse to look forward to Confidence C1s in the future tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

but it looks like it's plastic!?
I'd love to try some Emo gear, but I think the styling's way too shouty. The stereo preamp they have is incredibly appealing except for those dumb lights up front.
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hmm hmm good.. gear talk. I looked a bit into Emotiva and it looks quite interesting as a step up from my Roksan (which is also quite 'cheap'), but shipping to the Netherlands seems to up the price by around 25% thanks to import taxes and shipping costs. I also can't audition them. I am also interested in auditioning Class D amps from Wired4sound (for which I luckily did find a local dealer). Anyone got experience with those? Also what are the pro's and cons for a separate pre/power amp vs an integrated amp?

Right now I am quite happy with the positioning and toe-ing in of my speakers/sub and listening position. Now it's time to make a decision about bass traps. I am thinking of starting of with 4 corner traps.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

^^^ Well...if Emotiva, wants to be the next Bryston;

You mean to make PA equipment!!!eek.gif
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

they've got to do something about that damn power-button. I mean, I've never had one...so maybe I'm mistaken; but it looks like it's plastic!?

We've covered those lights before, but sadly it's plastic.


I might order their new pre the XSP-1, although unlike the USP-1 it looks like an AVP frown.gif which I'm not crazy about but the lights can be dimmed but not totally turned off.


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/preamplifiers/preamplifiers-reviews/emotiva-xsp-1-balanced-stereo-preamplifier.html


Emotiva XSP-1 Balanced Stereo Preamplifier

Written by John E. Johnson, Jr.

"Conclusions

Well, what can I say here, but WOW! For $899, you get one heck of a preamplifier. If it were $3,899, I would still say, "WOW","


I don't know though, too many "WOWs"
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

well guys, back from my vacation at zion natl park, bryce canyon natl park, red valley natl park and the grand staircase natl park and the dixie national forest. exhausted but it was a great adventure with my kids and family. ill post a couple pictures later.


i see we are talking amps, and while people are saying that going from xyz to emo is a way to save money and get great performance, and i agree, there are also those that have had emo and gone to xyz and say theyve experienced improvements... i dont think either camp is wrong. and i dont think that everything thats more expensive is better. some is, some isnt. now personally, i think that preamps are more important then the power amp, but ive found a power amp with some class a in the frist 5-10 watts always tend to sound better to me. i like having a tube pre with a ss power amp also... although i havent got to own one yet, when i do hear that combination, its always a great experiance. i know no ones talked naim, but naim tends to have a smooth top-end almost tube like, but with nice low-end slam and grip, that i really like, and i find naim to be very musical and with the prat people always talk about. i also heard some very nice things with bel canto, and that happens to be class d i believe. the first class d that ive really really liked.

Funny. I was just out in southern UT two weeks ago as well. Did some hiking in Zion.
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Right on; glad they made the trip intact.
Perhaps you have me confused with our friend Borderdog? confused.gif

Like I Said it's been awhile and you are correct it was "Borderdog" that was making the stands, although I haven't seen any post on here yet with him posting the results of his work, but there has been many post since.

Gar
Edited by Garman - 6/16/13 at 8:52pm
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Rob80b: What did I start a Amp war in here! LOL wink.gif

I been using Ultra High End, that isn't even listed on my list above along with the stuff that I did list. I tried Emotiva pre/amps and didn't like all the bells and whistles plus to me they looked cheap. Now there Power Amps that is a different story as a friend of mine has the XPA-1 (pair) driving some Maggies 3.7s and I was shocked on how well his setup sound especially when he told me the price he paid. The good thing is on their Amps you can shut off the fricking lights, what they should due is put some nice meters on them instead of those gay lights and have the back ground of the meters in blue lights and have a aluminum power button. That would get pasted the cheap look very quickly IMHOP. wink.gif But it is very hard to Screw up a Amp design, as you pointed out in Pics pretty darn similar, Emotiva isn't any different than Krell or Musical Fidelity/NAD etc... That are designing a product and having it made over in China. They only difference is Emotiva isn't raping there customers while they are doing it. LOL, I have no problems paying top dollar for Krell/MF etc.... If they were still being designed and in there designated countries. So I picked up a XPA-2 for $500 bucks and will match it up with a A5 MF Pre/Amp and a Rogue Audio Metis pre/amp and see what results I get, but at 500wpc into a 4ohm load I hope the results are good!

CDLehner: Your car post does make a good argument but it isn't comparing apples to apples as Amps are being designed in their perspective countries but being made in China and Taiwan. If you took a BMW and or Mercedes and had them made in China but said designed in Germany, would people still gravitate to them because of quality? The one Company that comes to mind that has been blowing my socks off is Rogue Audio, made in good old PA USA and putting out some decent quality products with great prices.
Edited by Garman - 6/16/13 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by GTaudiophile View Post

Funny. I was just out in southern UT two weeks ago as well. Did some hiking in Zion.

wow, that is funny. we hiked zion and bryce.
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Hi guys,

Just signed up here. I hope some of you can help me with some insights and information.
I own a pair of Dynaudio Audience 122's and I love them. Or at least, used to. Over the years I've found they sound great, but lack the authority of a bigger system. Although they are beautifully voiced, very musically appealing and "natural" sounding, they lack low-end extension and 3D-projection. I hoped to remedy the latter by rebuilding the cross-overs with hi-end components. Although the speakers sounded radically better after the upgrade (sounded like a more expensive system), the 3D-issue still wasn't addressed - as was the low-end extension problem, which is to be expected of a small system.

In order to gain the 3D-projection AND the low end grunt I wanted, I decided to buy a pair of Elac fs208a speakers - which are absolutely great speakers in technical terms, but they miss something. They sound a tad too clinical for me. Also I've found my NAD receiver wasn't able to drive them properly, so I've upgraded to a second hand Rotel RSX-1067. That amp has power in abundance and both Dynaudio and Elac speakers sound much better. The Dyno's give me the musical sound I want, the Elac's give me the bass depth I want. But I'd like to see both in one system.

I have the opportunity to upgrade to either Dynaudio Contour 1.8mk2 or Contour 3.0 - both used. Which will be the better option? Can my Rotel receiver handle them? What are the pro's and cons of both speakers? Or should I save up and buy a pair of 3.4's?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Edited by jamesblond - 6/23/13 at 5:24am
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Hmm. You all have me wondering what a NAIM DAC V1 as DAC/PRE would sound like with an EMO XPA-2...
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gn77b: I have had Naim, like I said a list too long to put on here! wink.gif LOL I use to work at a Audio Store for 6 years part time for fun, so I have had pleasure of trying a ton of stuff over the years. No Naim dealer near me, so I haven't tried anything lately. Any suggestions running a pair of C2's, which seem power hungry.


Jamesblond: I have had all of those speakers, all very different. The Audience 122 have a wide dispersion rate for a thin speaker and do sound great for HT, so so on music but pretty darn good! The 1.8Mk2 you don't see very often because to me that speaker could play anything well, from hard rock to classical that was one of Dynaudio most diversified speaker at the time. The Contour 3.0 had a ton of base
some times a tad bit too much and the 3.4s were more refined and have a been updated more. All good depending on on how well the speakers were cared for. DSCN1422.jpg 869k .jpg file CIMG0740.JPG 1819k .JPG file MU52H4OA.JPG 45k .JPG file
Edited by Garman - 6/17/13 at 6:49am
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