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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Who, or what...is a Sound Advise??
http://www.soundadvice.com/Speakers-C1.aspx?f=&choice=&m=80
post #19832 of 21812
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

That's a pretty huge jump in price. The x36 is around $3600.

Not sure if I can trust one source for pricing, but this would put the X38 $400 below the Focus 260. Looking forward to that comparison!
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well, thats why i said, if their pricing is right.... i think the 38s sound a little too high, thought they would be closer to 4200. the rest of the prices are about what i expected.
Edited by callas01 - 7/7/13 at 8:23pm
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Anyone listening to SACDs with Dynaudios? I have a few players laying around and just listened to a few and I am still wowed why this format didn't take off! I read it had a lot to do with licensing fees.
Just a quick note try Jackson Browne Acoustic version 1/2 CD set, it is amazing on both my Excites and C2's.
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Originally Posted by Henkster View Post

Contour series.

When is the refresh? This year? Next Year? Never?

I'm thinking of selling my S1.4 that I now have had for four years since the current Contour series is now ten years old, so logic dictates that the new version should come out SOON...
Not that I'm tired of the sound or anything, they are just in wrong color for the rest of my setup (bought used).

Anyone know anything?




Refresh Contour S 1.4? The real upgrade would be by adding the Esotar 2 tweeter from Confidence series. But, if it happens, who will buy C1 monitor which price is more than twice higher? And the fabrication costs of Contour S1.4 and of Confidence C1 are comparable.

In central Europe, the Contour line is the only one Dynaudio line that since many years has not been promoted. There's a lot of advertising in audiophile magazines for Confidence, Excite, Focus, even DM, but never for Contour. It seems that Dynaudio would like simply abandon Contour line.
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Originally Posted by Jarl View Post

Refresh Contour S 1.4? The real upgrade would be by adding the Esotar 2 tweeter from Confidence series. But, if it happens, who will buy C1 monitor which price is more than twice higher? And the fabrication costs of Contour S1.4 and of Confidence C1 are comparable.

In central Europe, the Contour line is the only one Dynaudio line that since many years has not been promoted. There's a lot of advertising in audiophile magazines for Confidence, Excite, Focus, even DM, but never for Contour. It seems that Dynaudio would like simply abandon Contour line.

The retail price of a pair of Esotar2 is half the retail of a pair of S1.4s. There is no way you will see them standard in that speaker. As you said, that's for the C1. FWIW: the Contour S5.4 has the Esotar2 speaker. I put them in my S3.4 and they sound great.
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Anyone listening to SACDs with Dynaudios? I have a few players laying around and just listened to a few and I am still wowed why this format didn't take off! I read it had a lot to do with licensing fees.
Just a quick note try Jackson Browne Acoustic version 1/2 CD set, it is amazing on both my Excites and C2's.

I auditioned a SACD player with some DSD-sourced classical SACDs last year (2-channel only). Compared to my network streamer I was rather underwhelmed and decided not to put one on my list.
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Originally Posted by Henkster View Post

Contour series.

When is the refresh? This year? Next Year? Never?

I'm thinking of selling my S1.4 that I now have had for four years since the current Contour series is now ten years old, so logic dictates that the new version should come out SOON...
Not that I'm tired of the sound or anything, they are just in wrong color for the rest of my setup (bought used).

Anyone know anything?

I know nothing of the future, but the S1.4 is still a strong contender. In fact, I'd be worried that a successor Contour series would undergo some cost cutting in it's design (taken out of materials cost). Having purchased both, I feel like there is a large jump in materials/build quality between the newer Focus 160 and the S1.4. I returned the 160's. (I know, it's a cheaper speaker...)

Sound quality could be another matter. It's possible, perhaps even likely, for Dynaudio to eke out a better response with a more cheaply built speaker via updated design techniques/software. Fortunately, I still love the sound of my S1.4's (original owner - purchased last year).
Edited by Rimbaud - 7/8/13 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Jarl View Post

Refresh Contour S 1.4? The real upgrade would be by adding the Esotar 2 tweeter from Confidence series. But, if it happens, who will buy C1 monitor which price is more than twice higher? And the fabrication costs of Contour S1.4 and of Confidence C1 are comparable.

In central Europe, the Contour line is the only one Dynaudio line that since many years has not been promoted. There's a lot of advertising in audiophile magazines for Confidence, Excite, Focus, even DM, but never for Contour. It seems that Dynaudio would like simply abandon Contour line.

If the Contour line is dropped with no other changes to the rest of the lineup it will leave a huge gap between Focus and Confidence, IMO. Unless they downgrade the Confidence in the future... [gasp!]. The C1 is my grail speaker, hopefully it sticks around unchanged for a while until I can afford a new pair.

If I had to guess, I'd say the reason Contour is not promoted is that Dynaudio's profit margin on the Contour speakers is the lowest of the different lines. As you say, fabrication costs of Contour appears like it approaches Confidence costs. In contrast, Focus costs do not appear to approach Contour costs (to me, and I'm no expert).
Edited by Rimbaud - 7/8/13 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post

If the Contour line is dropped with no other changes to the rest of the lineup it will leave a huge gap between Focus and Confidence, IMO. ...

I don't think I see it that way. The Contour S1.4 and the Focus 160 are pretty close in price and performance. The Contour S3.4 sits in the middle of the Focus 260 and 340. The Contour S5.4 and Focus 380 are pretty close too. I think this presents confusing overlap. It's really down to picking which style you like with these lines. Other than that, a revamp of the Contour just doesn't seem to make sense.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I auditioned a SACD player with some DSD-sourced classical SACDs last year (2-channel only). Compared to my network streamer I was rather underwhelmed and decided not to put one on my list.

Understood, I have gone the network streamer route before and I had just the opposite affect, SACD Players are cheap now (especially used) plus they still play my CD collection. The problem is most Network system don't have good Dac's in them and you end up spending more money trying to find the right Dac and streaming device. I am now going to take my Mac Mini and try to find a decent "Not so expensive Dac" and
give it a whirl again. Just curious on how your are streaming and what network player your using it? Meaning file types play a very important role on how they sound, Flac files verses Apple Lossless etc.. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Understood, I have gone the network streamer route before and I had just the opposite affect, SACD Players are cheap now (especially used) plus they still play my CD collection. The problem is most Network system don't have good Dac's in them and you end up spending more money trying to find the right Dac and streaming device. I am now going to take my Mac Mini and try to find a decent "Not so expensive Dac" and
give it a whirl again. Just curious on how your are streaming and what network player your using it? Meaning file types play a very important role on how they sound, Flac files verses Apple Lossless etc.. Thanks!

I am streaming all FLAC files. CDs ripped to 16/44, as well as purchased downloads from 16/44 to 24/192 resolution. I store all my files on a QNAP NAS and stream them over ethernet to a Naim Audio ND5 XS, which has a very good DAC built in.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I don't think I see it that way. The Contour S1.4 and the Focus 160 are pretty close in price and performance. The Contour S3.4 sits in the middle of the Focus 260 and 340. The Contour S5.4 and Focus 380 are pretty close too. I think this presents confusing overlap. It's really down to picking which style you like with these lines. Other than that, a revamp of the Contour just doesn't seem to make sense.

If price and sonics are the only two criteria then I would not dispute what you are saying. For me, the Contour line has additional attributes that add value over the Focus line. The heavier, less resonant cabinet; the heavy base plinth with the lower-mounted crossover; the ability to rigidly and elegantly integrate with Dynaudio stands (for the S1.4); the multi-layer, super-beefy, damped baffle; the rigid, metal-framed grills that have a very robust magnetic attachment/alignment system all make the Contour a more unique and cherished speaker for me, and most of those features are identical or similar to those found on the Confidence C1 (Contour's grill setup is actually better).

The Focus and Contour may be fairly close in price and sonics, but to me you get more with the Contour line making it the better value. Without the Contour line I wouldn't currently be a Dynaudio owner. frown.gif

Edit: "Focus and Contour" not "Focus and Confidence" in last sentence.
Edited by Rimbaud - 7/8/13 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post

If price and sonics are the only two criteria then I would not dispute what you are saying. For me, the Contour line has additional attributes that add value over the Focus line. The heavier, less resonant cabinet; the heavy base plinth with the lower-mounted crossover; the ability to rigidly and elegantly integrate with Dynaudio stands (for the S1.4); the multi-layer, super-beefy, damped baffle; the rigid, metal-framed grills that have a very robust magnetic attachment/alignment system all make the Contour a more unique and cherished speaker for me, and most of those features are identical or similar to those found on the Confidence C1 (Contour's grill setup is actually better).

The Focus and Confidence may be fairly close in price and sonics, but to me you get more with the Contour line making it the better value. Without the Contour line I wouldn't currently be a Dynaudio owner. frown.gif

I totally get your love for the Contours. I had a pair of S1.4s with the Stand4. Now I have a pair of S3.4s upgraded with Esotar2 tweeters. I love them. The only way I'll change is if I can get a pair of C2s.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I totally get your love for the Contours. I had a pair of S1.4s with the Stand4. Now I have a pair of S3.4s upgraded with Esotar2 tweeters. I love them. The only way I'll change is if I can get a pair of C2s.

I knew you were a multiple-Contour man biggrin.gif - I've been following this thread for a while. Definitely the best thread on AVS.
post #19846 of 21812
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post

If price and sonics are the only two criteria then I would not dispute what you are saying. For me, the Contour line has additional attributes that add value over the Focus line. The heavier, less resonant cabinet; the heavy base plinth with the lower-mounted crossover; the ability to rigidly and elegantly integrate with Dynaudio stands (for the S1.4); the multi-layer, super-beefy, damped baffle; the rigid, metal-framed grills that have a very robust magnetic attachment/alignment system all make the Contour a more unique and cherished speaker for me, and most of those features are identical or similar to those found on the Confidence C1 (Contour's grill setup is actually better).

The Focus and Contour may be fairly close in price and sonics, but to me you get more with the Contour line making it the better value. Without the Contour line I wouldn't currently be a Dynaudio owner. frown.gif

Edit: "Focus and Contour" not "Focus and Confidence" in last sentence.
imo there were factors that led me to the Focus over the Contours, 1) the sound being more like the special 25s and sapphires, meaning a little more trebble sparkle then the contours which i find a little more laidback in comparison. 2) my wife likes the look of a traditional speaker box over that of C1/S1.4s, however she has grown to like the looks of the C1s, just not the price. 3) it felt to me that the Focus could get going with less power more quickly then the 1.4s, which was important since a lot of music listening is later at night. to me, the 1.4s seemed to need a lot more juice to get going.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

imo there were factors that led me to the Focus over the Contours, 1) the sound being more like the special 25s and sapphires, meaning a little more trebble sparkle then the contours which i find a little more laidback in comparison. 2) my wife likes the look of a traditional speaker box over that of C1/S1.4s, however she has grown to like the looks of the C1s, just not the price. 3) it felt to me that the Focus could get going with less power more quickly then the 1.4s, which was important since a lot of music listening is later at night. to me, the 1.4s seemed to need a lot more juice to get going.

Those are all good points. Your conclusion on low level listening matches my own experience, and if I had to list a negative for the S1.4's that might be it. There seems to be a definite threshold of volume increase at which the character of the sound changes for the positive (not dramatically, but it's there). My previous Paradigm Studio 60's were more linear in that regard, although the Contours still sound better overall.

I thought the walnut Focus 160's I had for a short time looked great, although the Contours are more "Danish" in appearance. I've got some Danish furniture so it works out nicely.
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post

Those are all good points. Your conclusion on low level listening matches my own experience, and if I had to list a negative for the S1.4's that might be it. There seems to be a definite threshold of volume increase at which the character of the sound changes for the positive (not dramatically, but it's there). My previous Paradigm Studio 60's were more linear in that regard, although the Contours still sound better overall.

I thought the walnut Focus 160's I had for a short time looked great, although the Contours are more "Danish" in appearance. I've got some Danish furniture so it works out nicely.

I often listen at low to moderate levels. My former S1.4s and my current S3.4s sound fine that way.
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

imo there were factors that led me to the Focus over the Contours, 1) the sound being more like the special 25s and sapphires, meaning a little more trebble sparkle then the contours ................

I guess the question remains is there really a reason to upgrade the Contour line, if the Excite and Focus series were offering better sound over the Contours then there would be an obvious reason for improvements or as some have hinted at, retiring the line. The other point we fail to focus on is how most manufacturers have faired since the recession, while Dynaudio have historically not given the impression that they are forced to have a yearly “New and Improved” offering, the reality is that consumers in general almost expect it.
That said, new speakers offerings are not revolutionary, maybe subtle at best over the last few decades, the same can also be said about pre-amps and amps and the only way to go is the “trickle down effect”, where the lower models improve but the upper and flagship series get minor improvements so the gap continues to narrow.
Over the last few years we’ve seen consumer electronics prices tumble especially for computers, flat screen TV’s and mass-produced home theatre components, so for manufacturers of higher quality audio components how do they continue to the attract new or returning audiophiles.
Which of course brings us back to the cost of manufacturing and given the current economic situation was it really any surprise that Dynaudio’s big spring launch was the “New Excites”.

http://www.dynaudio.com/int/home_loudspeaker_systems/premiere2013_15.php
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post


I thought the walnut Focus 160's I had for a short time looked great, although the Contours are more "Danish" in appearance. I've got some Danish furniture so it works out nicely.
Any Danish footware?
post #19851 of 21812
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

Any Danish footware?

Can I get that in piano black?
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I did a back-to-back comparison, albeit a brief one, of the Focus 160, C1 MkII Sig, and S1.4. The S1.4 was the first and most immediate to fall off my list. In the end, the Focus 160 seemed to offer the best balance between the C1 and S1.4 and also cost the least, offering the best value smile.gif
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Can I get that in piano black?

Not too sure, but why settle for glossy black when you can get the "Full Monty"!!!
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

Not too sure, but why settle for glossy black when you can get the "Full Monty"!!!


Ooooo!
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And why stop there!!


AAAHHH!! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

And why stop there!!


AAAHHH!! biggrin.gif

and the electronics? Hmmm????
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

And why stop there!!


AAAHHH!! biggrin.gif
I just threw up A LOT in my mouth...
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

I guess the question remains is there really a reason to upgrade the Contour line, if the Excite and Focus series were offering better sound over the Contours then there would be an obvious reason for improvements or as some have hinted at, retiring the line. The other point we fail to focus on is how most manufacturers have faired since the recession, while Dynaudio have historically not given the impression that they are forced to have a yearly “New and Improved” offering, the reality is that consumers in general almost expect it.
That said, new speakers offerings are not revolutionary, maybe subtle at best over the last few decades, the same can also be said about pre-amps and amps and the only way to go is the “trickle down effect”, where the lower models improve but the upper and flagship series get minor improvements so the gap continues to narrow.
Over the last few years we’ve seen consumer electronics prices tumble especially for computers, flat screen TV’s and mass-produced home theatre components, so for manufacturers of higher quality audio components how do they continue to the attract new or returning audiophiles.
Which of course brings us back to the cost of manufacturing and given the current economic situation was it really any surprise that Dynaudio’s big spring launch was the “New Excites”.

http://www.dynaudio.com/int/home_loudspeaker_systems/premiere2013_15.php
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Well the only really way to tell is to compare the two side by side. I thought the old Excites were pretty fine speakers, with 3 kids my expendable income is gone! LOL I was going to see if one could upgrade my old C2s to the Mark ll but I didn't hear a huge difference between the two, maybe a little bit tighter bass. I would expect the Contour line to get a facelift and upgrade soon. They can make finishes better and drivers and cross overs better but hard to reinvent the box look. wink.gif

Lovely Photoshop..... Thats like putting a tramp stamp on a women with a hot bod! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Jarl View Post

Refresh Contour S 1.4? The real upgrade would be by adding the Esotar 2 tweeter from Confidence series. But, if it happens, who will buy C1 monitor which price is more than twice higher? And the fabrication costs of Contour S1.4 and of Confidence C1 are comparable.

I remember reading sometime in this thread that it's possible to add the Esotar2 tweeter to the S1.4?
Is it the "Esotar² 110" specified in this pdf http://www.dynaudio.com/int/pdf/DYN_Automotive_Brochure_INT.pdf ?
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Originally Posted by Henkster View Post

I remember reading sometime in this thread that it's possible to add the Esotar2 tweeter to the S1.4?
Is it the "Esotar² 110" specified in this pdf http://www.dynaudio.com/int/pdf/DYN_Automotive_Brochure_INT.pdf ?

The Contour S1.4 retails for $3500. A pair of E110s retails for $1700. That upgrade doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For that $5200 you can get a pair of used C1 MkII.

I used the E110s to upgrade my S3.4s. That upgrade made a lot of sense. I got the S3.4s dirt cheap and got a pretty good deal on the E110s.
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