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post #151 of 190
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This whole project is looking fantastic. Are your kids helping you at all? Seems like they'll really appreciate the theater and, in a few years, the bar.

Regarding drywall finishing, that is the most frustrating construction job I have ever done. I absolutely despise it. I have the eyes for a quality job but no skill at all, which really tests my patience. I've broken more than one tub of joint compound taking out my frustration with a hammer while putting the lid back on. Judging from what you've posted, it would take me months to do that space by myself. I'm impressed. And I don't know how Bud did it, either.

Thanks a bunch. My boys helped me a couple times, specifically during the times I was rocking the ceiling. It is hard to get a panel on a drywall lift by yourself. Otherwise everything was done by me except for the sub-panel installation, carpet and painting which my wife helped with. My wife gets frustrated that I will not let anyone help me. It is not that I don't want help, but other than the ceiling there is really no 2-person jobs down there.

I started this job about a 18 months ago but did not really start doing anything until Oct 06 and with both my boys playing football, wrestling and doing track I spent a LOT of time doing things other than the basement. Best part of the whole deal is that starting next month I will be complete and can finally do some stuff with the family like go to the beach, etc. I am taking my oldest son on a hike on the Appalachian Trail in July for 9 days. Should be fun.
post #152 of 190
I'm glad that you are in the home stretch. Only 18 months from start to finish, eh? Not bad. I'm about to hit the one year mark, and I can't realistically see getting done for another 12 months.
post #153 of 190
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I'm glad that you are in the home stretch. Only 18 months from start to finish, eh? Not bad. I'm about to hit the one year mark, and I can't realistically see getting done for another 12 months.

Don't worry Cathan, it will be there before you know it. It was for me.
post #154 of 190
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More new toys came in today. Got my Ascend 340C and 4 HTM-200s for my surrounds. In the pics below you can see my Paradigm Monitor 7s, 340C, 4 HTM-200s, VTF2 Mk3, PLV-Z4, Onkyo 606, my DIY anamorphic lens, and an old DVD player.



I also got my new sofa in. It is a nice big sectional with a chaise end seat.



Still need some blinds and drapes



Blends with the bar nicely


Set up an old receiver, a couple Infinity speakers and my sons TV and XBOX temporarily for them to have fun until the HT is done. This area will get a real flat panel in the future that will be mounted on the wall and will cover the wiring and power.



Any my son got the wrestling mat out and laid. Looks like the madness is beginning.

post #155 of 190
Gratz on all the toys!!
post #156 of 190
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Thanks man. I am ready to start using them. I only have a couple hours at work today so I am planning on heading home and staining the equipment rack and getting columns going. Hopefully I can get them built today so I can have them finished by the end of the weekend. Weather outside sort of sucks right now so we'll have to see how that goes. I am NOT cutting in the basement anymore which I figure is a small price to pay for having the rest done.
post #157 of 190
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I thought everyone might like to know I made a bonehead move.

The other day I got my Sheerweave in from SeymourAV and decided to build my screen frame and get the screen going. In my haste (1st mistake) to get the fabric on the frame (2x2s) I layed the fabric out and proceeded to get it all stapled up nice and tight. Picked it up and it all looked great. No wrinkles. Added some french cleats to the back of the frame and the screen wall and hung the screen on the wall. So far so good I was thinking. Mounted the PJ on the ceiling and got it all hooked up. Still so far so good. Threw in a Star Wars movie to test out the connections and audio (also got all my speakers temporarily installed). Image was amazing even using the zoom method to get my 2.35:1 ratio as my DIY lens is not complete. Then during one particularly bright scene I saw the problem. I had neglected to paint the screen frame black before I mounted my fabric. I can see the intermediate supports to add stiffness to the frame on brighter scenes. Damn. I forgot this fabric passes some light. And after reading all of the DIY screen thread I STILL forgot to paint the frame. That is a bonehead move for sure.

Now how do I fix this without having to pull ALL the staples and chance harming the fabric? I thought about painting the with the material on but again that is a BAD idea. Then I thought I could just use some velvet and wrap it around the supports and staple to the rear.

Anyone have a better idea? I think the velvet idea will work with minimal effort and I have more velvet lying around. Comments are appreciated. Even if they are aimed at making me feel like an idiot
post #158 of 190
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Originally Posted by John Martin View Post

I thought everyone might like to know I made a bonehead move.

The other day I got my Sheerweave in from SeymourAV and decided to build my screen frame and get the screen going. In my haste (1st mistake) to get the fabric on the frame (2x2s) I layed the fabric out and proceeded to get it all stapled up nice and tight. Picked it up and it all looked great. No wrinkles. Added some french cleats to the back of the frame and the screen wall and hung the screen on the wall. So far so good I was thinking. Mounted the PJ on the ceiling and got it all hooked up. Still so far so good. Threw in a Star Wars movie to test out the connections and audio (also got all my speakers temporarily installed). Image was amazing even using the zoom method to get my 2.35:1 ratio as my DIY lens is not complete. Then during one particularly bright scene I saw the problem. I had neglected to paint the screen frame black before I mounted my fabric. I can see the intermediate supports to add stiffness to the frame on brighter scenes. Damn. I forgot this fabric passes some light. And after reading all of the DIY screen thread I STILL forgot to paint the frame. That is a bonehead move for sure.

Now how do I fix this without having to pull ALL the staples and chance harming the fabric? I thought about painting the with the material on but again that is a BAD idea. Then I thought I could just use some velvet and wrap it around the supports and staple to the rear.

Anyone have a better idea? I think the velvet idea will work with minimal effort and I have more velvet lying around. Comments are appreciated. Even if they are aimed at making me feel like an idiot

While it seems like you made a hige mistake things could have been much worse.


Is it just the supports? What about the outer edges of the frame?

If it is the outer edges as well the velvet could work but it might be difficult to get it to stay between the frame and screen without using some sort of attachment method on the inside of the frame as well as the back. For just the supports the velvet should work fine.

You could alternatively use some velcro. Use the loop side, which is softer than the hook side. Make sure you get some with glue on the back so that it will stick to your frame.
post #159 of 190
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Just the supports in the middle of the outer frame. The outer frame will be covered by the velvet covered border trim. I figured it would work but wanted a sanity check after the INSANITY that caused it in the first place.
post #160 of 190
Honestly, I think you best bet would be to pull those staples out and start again. The problem I can envision if the fabric stretching a bit while you try to wrap the braces with fabric --OR-- since the frame was probably built flat the extra material in the middle might give the screen a bulge where the supports are. I could be wrong but it's hard to say without seeing it in person.
post #161 of 190
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Just the supports in the middle of the outer frame. The outer frame will be covered by the velvet covered border trim. I figured it would work but wanted a sanity check after the INSANITY that caused it in the first place.

How are your middle supports attached to the frame? Did you use a pocket jig? Can you unscrew the supports, remove them, paint them and then re-install them?
post #162 of 190
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Originally Posted by In2Photos View Post

How are your middle supports attached to the frame? Did you use a pocket jig? Can you unscrew the supports, remove them, paint them and then re-install them?

And therein lies the solution. I CAN unscrew the middle supports without messing anything up as I left the screws exposed from the rear. I am glad I posted this problem. Problem will be solved this weekend since I needed to paint my AV rack black this weekend anyway. Thanks for the help all.
post #163 of 190
John,

When you remove those supports, if your screen is really tight, you might have a very hard time getting them back in... I honestly wouldn't chance it. Just take some velvet fabric and slide it in between your screen material and support, then wrap it around the back of the support and staple it to the back of the support. It will stay in place that way, shouldn't create a bulge I don't think and should be pretty easy.

Nick
post #164 of 190
If your screen is that tight, put a temp. support in before you pull the middle support so your fabric doesn't close that gap on you. That should alleviate the issue of possibly not being able to get that support back in. If you wrap it with velvet, you could possibly raise up your screen material (if your screen touches the middle support) and then you'd have this raised area in the middle of your screen. IMHO, I'd try to paint the supports....
post #165 of 190
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Originally Posted by johnny15 View Post

If your screen is that tight, put a temp. support in before you pull the middle support so your fabric doesn't close that gap on you. That should alleviate the issue of possibly not being able to get that support back in. If you wrap it with velvet, you could possibly raise up your screen material (if your screen touches the middle support) and then you'd have this raised area in the middle of your screen. IMHO, I'd try to paint the supports....

That is exactly how I planned on approaching it. I am going to paint and I am putting a temp support in before I remove the others. A much better option IMHO.

If all goes well I'll be posting pics of my screen wall this weekend after I get the border done and installed. I also have one frame to make to hide the hole in the screen wall for the sub to slide in.
post #166 of 190
John,

Let me know how the sub hole goes. I"ll need to do the same thing and I'm a bit worried about the fabric "flapping" with the sub right up against it (MFW-15).

Nick
post #167 of 190
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Originally Posted by johnnyq627 View Post

John,

Let me know how the sub hole goes. I"ll need to do the same thing and I'm a bit worried about the fabric "flapping" with the sub right up against it (MFW-15).

Nick

Nick,

I do not think flapping will be a problem for me. My sub is an HSU VTF2 Mk3 with a down firing woofer. I have it oriented 90 degrees behind the wall with the port in the rear facing parallel to the screen. I may be an issue but I will have to see.
post #168 of 190
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Hey all. I am having a dilemma regarding seating. I was originally planning on using "theater style" seating in the HT but have reconsidered the plan and am now going with either Berkline 088s or Coaster Studios and want opinions on the seating arrangement.

This image is using Berkline 088s. Since they are a narrower chair I have it planned with 3 seats in front and 2 on the riser.What I like about this setup is that it allows the wife and I to get the seats on the riser and my kids up front. It also allows for access on both sides of the room. Since my room is fairly narrow (10'-7") I need to go with the couch configuration for the 3-seat set. What I don't like is the cost versus the Coasters.



This image is using Coaster Studios. I have reversed the setup and put 3 seats on the riser. What I like about this is cost for the chairs (almost 4 bills less) versus the Berks and a slightly larger chair. What I don't like is that I have to shift the rear row over to the left to allow access from one side only.


What are your opinions on this? I am leaning towards the Berklines even though they cost more because and I would love to not have to offset the seating. Please let me know what you think.

John
post #169 of 190
I like the berk setup the best....
post #170 of 190
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Thanks Brian. I did too and I just found out that the armrests in the center of the Studios are not removable like the Berks are so I guess the Berks are it since the Studios are too wide. Time to place an order.
post #171 of 190
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Well I had some free time this afternoon and threw together a render idea for a ticket booth outside the HT entry. At the end of the hall my sewer exits the house to the road and I need something to cover the opening but still allow access to my sewer ejector pump and the back of the AV rack. You can see the sewer pipe clearly

You can see the end of the hall in this photo


I thought about how to cover this up so I came up with this idea. It will be a full height ticket window with glass and everything. The panel below the ledge and window will be removable to allow access. It will be a bit tight to get in and out but it is not like I need to get back there every day. I will put curtains behind the glass to cover everything behind it from view. It will be stained and painted black.



Let me know how you think it looks and if you have a better idea.

John
post #172 of 190
Thats a good idea....either a ticket booth or another nice movie poster to cover it up. I like the ticket booth.
post #173 of 190
Wow you room is just like mine 10'7 wide. I will look forward to watching your thread.
post #174 of 190
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Lynchmob,

Hopefully this weekend I will get the rest of my soffit fabric hung and I can take some more photos of the theater room. After that is hung all that is left is the fabric trim and starfield panels. I am going to build them and install them but not add the fiber until I get more money to finish them.

If all goes well everything will be done by Labor day since I am taking a week off for vacation and staying at home so I should be able to finish up.

John
post #175 of 190
I like the ticket booth idea. Even though I'm installing an oak door between my hall and mechanical room, I like the idea of covering in something theater-friendly. Very cool.
post #176 of 190
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Originally Posted by mn_hokie View Post

I like the ticket booth idea. Even though I'm installing an oak door between my hall and mechanical room, I like the idea of covering in something theater-friendly. Very cool.

I actually started working on that this past weekend, but have been very slow at updating the thread. I should be done making the whole thing by this weekend if all goes well, sans glass which I still need to order. I am going with MDF instead of wood since the whole thing is getting painted anyway and MDF is a lot cheaper than birch or oak ply. The whole thing will be fixed in place with only the bottom panel removable since I really never need to get back there except to work on wiring and once that is complete maybe a couple times a year.

I also thought that since it was dead space anyway, I might as well make something theater related.

John
post #177 of 190
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Well my seats finally came in. I got used HT seating from seats and chairs for a good price and I am impressed with how they look. There are a couple minor dings in the seat pans on a couple but apart from that you would be hard pressed to tell they are not new. I have 3 installed and need to rent a hammer drill to install the others. Almost have the soffit fabric finished and one that is done only trimming out remains.

Here are some pics of the seats.





post #178 of 190
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Originally Posted by John Martin View Post

I actually started working on that this past weekend, but have been very slow at updating the thread. I should be done making the whole thing by this weekend if all goes well, sans glass which I still need to order. I am going with MDF instead of wood since the whole thing is getting painted anyway and MDF is a lot cheaper than birch or oak ply. The whole thing will be fixed in place with only the bottom panel removable since I really never need to get back there except to work on wiring and once that is complete maybe a couple times a year.

I also thought that since it was dead space anyway, I might as well make something theater related.

John

John,

Where are you getting your glass for your ticket booth? I've begun searching around for somene who will cut me a pane of glass and do some custom etching/lettering on it. Thanks.
post #179 of 190
John,
I like the ticket window idea. Here is a photo of one we built for a customer. The entire thing is a door that hides the equipment just outside of the theater. We used acrylic for the window. I may do something smiler for my theater if I can find a good place for it. These things can also make nice DVD storage.

post #180 of 190
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I have finally done some work on something in the HT for a change. I am pretty much at the point I need to get carpet for the remainder of the basement so I have moved to focus my efforts on the HT. With the bathroom and the bar area done I started furring out for acoustical treatments and fabric this weekend. UNfortunately I could not find 5/4 lumber locally without REALLY looking so I ripped 1" boards from 2x4s and although a royal PITA it probably saved me money.

I am using 1" Knauf insulation board I bought locally since I can not find Linacoustic and the abosorbtion characteristics were very similar. I finished the side wall full height out to my first column lcoation and up to about 54" on the sides and rear, which is about 6" above ear level based on my riser. I did not have enough to finish the side walls and rear wall and need to pick some more up tomorrow. Front wall is full height 2" and I am planning to put in some bass traps later this week. No photos to speak of since once you've seen insulation in anouther thread you have seen them all. You can see some of it in the photos below though.

After I ran out of insulation I decided to hang some fabric I started with my screen wall. It is a black material similar to GOM but with a bit tighter weave and 1/3 the cost. Since my screen will be AT I did not think it would matter that much. The staples will be covered completely by the screen but I may use a marker and black them out. There are a couple areas at the bottom that will have removable panels for access.



This a photo of the sidewall near the screen wall. You can see the acoustical treatments on the lower half and the extend into the patterned fabric area full height here. More on the column in a few minutes.



And again with fabric in the rear right corner. You can see the black again on the lower portion of the wall. I will have a stained trim piece separating the two fabrics that will match my bar trim (red oak).



And a straight on of the fabric. This is with flash so the colors are washed out. It is a much darker pattern than it looks.



Here is one column of 6 required, 4 on the sides and two at the rear. It is not finished by any means and is just sitting in the opening. It will have caps top and bottom and black speaker fabric in the upper and lower parts similar to Ronnie Jackson's. This one is at the front right and will have a sconce mounted on it as will the ones at the RR/RL and front left. The top and bottom on these columns will be open with speaker cloth covered frames on the face. The RS/LS surround columns will be the same but with no sconces, with the addition of surround speakers. The RR/RL will have sconces and surround speakers as well. Columns is 3/4" oak ply and will be stained to match the rest of the woodwork.



I planned on having it look like this rendering but access to change a bulb was not planned for so the sconce is not recessed like the rendering




Let me know what you think. A lot more left to be done but it is nice to finally see some progress in the HT for a change.

John

I love your theater. Where did you get the black fabric for your screen wall that is 1/3 the cost of GOM? I too will be using the Sheerweave 4500 AT screen and this black fabric would work well.
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