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post #31 of 190
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I'm curious, are you going to put up any kind of rear stop or wall to keep the berks from being pushed off of the riser (rear)?

Yes. There will be a small wall across the rear of the back row with a wood trim piece on top

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Are you planning on using an amplifier?

No. I realize that the AVR-445 is only 65W per channel but I believe it will be more than capable, but I am willing to think about others like a Denon or Yamaha

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What kind of LV zoning are you planning on doing with your lights? Are you going to use a Grafik Eye?

Zoning will be with a Grafik Eye, which model I am not sure yet. The rendering has changed since I last posted it. I am not doing recessed lights in the soffit now. I will have 4 wall sconces (zone 1), starfield ceiling (zone 2), and rope light in the tray ceiling (zone 3). I do not need more than that nor do I want more than that. Cleaning should be easy enough to do in that lighting.

Thanks for the props on the layout. One thing that has made everything bearable is the fact I can do one thing, then switch to another to prevent burnout. It has made a big difference to me.

John
post #32 of 190
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Time for an update. No new pictures yet but I did get a courtesy inspection today as I am nearing my rough-in inspection. Everything passed the test so far so in a couple weeks I will have my rough-in and will be off to put in insulation. Seems my county offers FREE "field inspections" if requested to help homeowners along with any problems they may be having during renovations. I was not having any issues and really only needed a warm fuzzy but the inspector was very good and answered all my questions without hesitation. She said they never mind making their job easier during the ACTUAL inspection since the field trials do just that. Gotta love a county that does their job the right way.

This weekend I got some more done in the HT. Got all my soffits completed except for light tray and hung all my recessed lighting. Should get that wired in in the next couple days. Also got my front speaker columns partially framed out and will start on the screen wall on Wed (I have some after hours CAD work to accomplish in the next 2 nights). I got in all my wall plates from Parts Express in today and am expecting my delivery of cables and such from Blue Jeans sometime later this week. Never knew cables were so damn expensive. Dropped nearly $500 on just cables and plates. Thursday I am putting in my GFI outlets for the bath and wet bar. Friday night is family night. Sat is running cables to PJ and equipment closet and misc other items. Not sure what Sunday holds but I am sure I will be busy .

That is all.

John
post #33 of 190
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More progress today. Got all my HT recessed lighting wired with only the run to the panel left. I need to stop by home depot and pick up a couple dimmers for the room. My wife also decided she did not want a starfield ceiling (which is fine with me since it is not necessary anyway) so that is some money saved. I also decided not to do a Grafik Eye. The money saved there will pay for my surrounds (Axioms) so I consider it a plus. That is about it for now. I'll post some progress pics soon.

John
post #34 of 190
Can I make a suggestion? That instead of getting dimmers from HD, that you order insteon dimmers. They are only a few bucks more and that gives you some potential options with creating scenes later on.
post #35 of 190
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Cathan,

I bought the dimmers from HD today since I did not have the time to wait. I have a single 60w bulb in a 600SF space so I needed light to work. I considered using normal switches but once I get the HT done and start to consider scenes I will remove the Lutrons and replace them with Insteons. I will move the old dimmers upstairs to a couple of the rooms on the 1st floor. I appreciate the suggestions though.

John
post #36 of 190
Have you used the Insteons - how do they compare to Lutron Maestro?
post #37 of 190
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how do they compare to Lutron Maestro?

I would assume you mean the Maestro IR. I am using the regular Maestros (5 total in the basement) now and I love them. I can only imaging the IR version is as nice. I would think since I have not even considered them that you would need line of sight for the IR remote to work on them whereas the Insteons are RF. I really do not want to have to point my remote at the switch to operate it once I get a bit more automated and but my universal remote (probably Harmony 890 since it is both IR and RF)

John
post #38 of 190
John -

As I'm working on the house, I keep a few "normal" lutron switches on hand to use when I'm upgrading the room's switches and plugs. Then at some later point I order a few more Insteon switches when they have a sale or offer free shipping.

I'm still waiting for the mto release the RF control module that will allow me to use my harmony 880. Right now my remote is my wife who sits closest to the tv rooms keypad. This remote can get a bit cranky at times if I tinker too much with the lights, so definately looking to upgrade to the 880.

Anywho, it must be a great feeling for you to be at the final stages of the build.
post #39 of 190
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Just don't upgrade your remote or there will be hell to pay I wish I was at the final stages of the build. I haven't reached my rough-in inspection point yet. But I will be having it before Easter so that is a big step.

I did make some more progress last night. Got my HT lights all wired to the panel and lights put in them. Sure is nice to have some working light now. It was getting hard with a single 60W to see anything and buying work lights seemed like a waste of money. It is only the 6 recessed lamps now but tonight it will be the 4 sconces as well. Here is my list to accomplish tomorrow:

o Finish framing on speaker columns and screen wall
o Frame out equipment rack
o Frame out PJ mount
o Install conduit to PJ
o Install cables to PJ
o Install all speaker cables and wall plates in HT and equipment rack
o Install all outlets and wire to panel

Pretty ambitious but I am pretty sure I can get it done. I am getting a LOT of support from the wife recently as she is starting to see things happening.

I also have the plan to finish everything by Father's Day (although carpet may not be in yet due to funding). My sister and her hubby are coming through for a couple days on their way to Florida. A comment had been made by one of them or their friends ( I don't remember who LOL) about why I was going with a PJ instead of a big screen TV. They seemed to think that I was making a mistake doing so and I am now on a mission to make them eat their words I was all in jest from them but you get the point. Should be fun considering I have to finish rough-in, do all the insulation, rock, tape, mud, paint trim, install all bath fixtures, add all cabinets, and trim out. My wife suggested that once I finish sheetrock in the whole basement I get the HT side of the stairs completely finished and work at a more leisurely pace to finish off the the rest of the basement. It should work since all the dusty mess will be gone and I can get my equipment installed.

John
post #40 of 190
Okay I take it back. You really are no where near done. At least you are making significant progress though. Unlike some of us who are still stuck in the "get other crap done before I'm allowed to start" mode.

Yes, and make them eat glorius hi-def, front projection dust!!
post #41 of 190
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Well,

It has been some time since I posted to my thread as there has not been to awful much to report. I am glad to say I am back on track after a stopping all work in March and am going full speed ahead. I never would have finished by Father's Day like I though I would. But I am working again so work will continue at a steady pace until complete.



Looking into the HT from the entry. Far wall will be screen wall.



Looking out of HT from screen wall. I will have 2 of the sconces on the back wall on the side wall next to the seating position



Looking into the equipment closet. You can see the PJ cables hanging down from above and the 7.1 wall plates on the right.



I made a small change to the plan since I last posted it. I had originally planned on making this area a small wet bar with some cabinetry against the far wall but decided ot make a small bar area instead. I am planning on a beer fridge below the countertop. My wife picked out these pendants today so I put them up to give me some more light.



Here is where I am going to place a small bar sink. It was going to be a closet but I wanted to get the sink off the bar area and my wife suggested using this space. I like the idea so I went with it. Will be a sink with one cabinet above.

I will post some more photos as I take them. Now that I am moving again I will have a lot more to take in the near future.
post #42 of 190
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Here is a quick draft of the future bar area. I am just trying to get a feel for how it will look space wise. A pub table will be going on the right side of the bar and I need to figure out some shelving and such behind the bar yet.



Any ideas on shelving behind feel free to comment. I thought about some shelves on each side and along the top with a spot for a TV in the middle or maybe some posters and a TV. Still undecided.

John
post #43 of 190
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Life is good. I passed my rough-in today without a single hitch. I have now been given the go ahead for insualting the basement during which time I will be doing my acoustic treatments in the HT. It sure is nice actually having home inspectors that are knowledgable and cooperative at the same time. The inspector I had was wonderful and she took the time to talk to me about any questions I had. She was in and out in less than 20 minutes. She did have a couple questions but was fine with the answers I gave here as to why something was done the way it was.

I also need to tie in my HVAC flex to the main trunk which is on the schedule for this weekend. It is damn hot in the basement without any HVAC at all and 100+ each day for the last 3 weeks. I'll be glad to get the insulation up and the ducts ties in so I can get some AC going down there. Last weekend I got my zone control panel wired in so all I have to do is install my zone dampers and connect the wires and I will be golden.

Keep checking back as pictures will be forthcoming in the next few days after I make some more progress.

John
post #44 of 190
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Well, work has been progressing on my basement/HT conversion. Having passed my rough in a couple weeks ago I got started on insulation. I have about 1/2 the basement completed but need to take pictures of what I have done tonight. At lunch today I did some more sketching of my plan for the bar area as shown below. Still a work in progress but getting there. There will be a sitting bar along the front with a few lights (not shown). Also will have a counter top along the back with shelving and under cabinet lighting. The large open space in the middle will be tiled with tumbled marble of similar. At the lower left will be a 12" drawer cabinet alongside a beverage cooler. Next to that will be a home made kegerator to hold (2)5 gallon cornie kegs with a double tap tower center in the large open area I was not sure the wife was going to approve of that idea but she gave me the thumbs up. I plan on making my own beer just so you know.


I will take some photos of my insulation progress tonight after dinner and post them. As always comment and criticisms are appreciated.
post #45 of 190
Some damn nice renders John. Post more and a price list for others to pay you to have concept renders done up for them! You'll be able to fund the rest of your theater!
post #46 of 190
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Well I finally completed (or will tonight after I get the last sheet of foam up) all of my insulation stuff (including stuffing my soffits full of pink stuff). It took me 2 weekends ,41 rolls of R-13 and 7 sheets of R-10 foam to get it completed. I will schedule my insulation inspection for Thursday so if I pass, which I doubt I will have trouble with, I can get on to sheetrocking the walls. Only one inspection left once this one is done and that is the final. I was already amazed what that much insulation can do with sound in an otherwise bare room. It was a bit of an echo chamber before with block walls and concrete floor but all that pink stuff really quieted things up.

The plan is to order 125 sheets for delivery on Saturday. Not sure where I am going to put it all yet as the garage is taken up with vehicles. I may have to get the ceiling of one room completed so I can stack the rest in that room as I finish the remainder of the spaces.

I still have not taken any pictures but need to so hopefully I can get some some taken tonight after I clean things up a bit and get rid of a lot of junk.

John
post #47 of 190
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Thanks Tachyon. They are nowhere near complete and I am finding it increasingly difficult to get time to work on them but it really doesn't matter anyway. The wife has already approved the look based on the test renders so I am golden in that respect.

I do not do renders for money for things like this as what I charge is probably beyond what most people here would be willing to pay and I simply do not have the time to do them, although my wife would say I should make time. Part of the problem in doing this stuff for money is the time it takes (or money it costs) to get all the small things you see in the renders completed. I should spend some time making some different styles of theater seating, wall sconces, and other small things that I see in the photos on this site. It does not take long to make something custom, but when there are so many little things in each room it can be a bit challenging. If I finally get around to making a library of most often used items it will make things go quite quickly. Materials is another thing to get right. I do not like my rendering to look flat and making good materials can be challenging as well. I will probably spend some money in the near future to start getting some good ones such as floorings and carpets so I do not have to spend too much time on custom looks.

Here are a few shots of a something we did here at work of a water treatment facility in Santiago, Chile. Still only basic materials but I thought it conveyed the design nicely.



Overall view of the facility



Cutaway view of the initial design



Top down view



John
post #48 of 190
You definitely have a gift! I understand the time portion, but like you said, if you create a 'warehouse' of basic elements, then your completion time (and effort) should go down per client. Hey, maybe something you can do in your off time (like we all have offtime )

Looking forward to more pics? I'm getting impatient with mine, since I can't cut anything till winter. (Still have winter prep projects to complete)
post #49 of 190
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Tachyon,

I hope you guys don't get hammered with snow like you did last year. It made me glad I was not there. My buddies at the Academy said there was feet of snow everywhere and they could not even get out to their offices out in Jack's Valley for a couple weeks. I bet Monument Hill was a bear during that time. My last few months in the AF I was living at the campground over there in Monument but that was during the summer so I did not have to deal with the snow. The 2 years I was stationed there it really didn't snow too much so we got lucky.

John
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Tachyon,

I hope you guys don't get hammered with snow like you did last year. It made me glad I was not there. My buddies at the Academy said there was feet of snow everywhere and they could not even get out to their offices out in Jack's Valley for a couple weeks. I bet Monument Hill was a bear during that time. My last few months in the AF I was living at the campground over there in Monument but that was during the summer so I did not have to deal with the snow. The 2 years I was stationed there it really didn't snow too much so we got lucky.

John

Yeah last year was interesting. All the guys at work said it was the worse snow they seen in 20+ years.

Here's some links:

October Blizzard:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IGBeKCXxWM8

December Blizzard:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OMzR086bxN8

Playing with the dog after Dec. Blizzard stopped:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-nr7Az1tDY

After these two, we pretty much got a blizzard a weekend till middle of January. So I stopped filming them =P
post #51 of 190
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Damn that is a lot of snow. I did not realize it was that windy during that time. Looks like the dog was having fun though.

John
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Here is a quick draft of the future bar area. I am just trying to get a feel for how it will look space wise. A pub table will be going on the right side of the bar and I need to figure out some shelving and such behind the bar yet.



Any ideas on shelving behind feel free to comment. I thought about some shelves on each side and along the top with a spot for a TV in the middle or maybe some posters and a TV. Still undecided.

John

What are your setting on this daytime render
1.decay
2.samples per pixel
3.max # of photons per sample
4.average GI photons per light

thanx
post #53 of 190
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Angela,

I am using Autocad 2008 and 3D Studio Viz 2008 with V-Ray render plug-in from Chaos. It does not quite work the same as what you are using, which may be Mental Ray. V-Ray uses a totally different method of computing GI (global illumination) than mental ray does. I am basically using a physically correct sun and sky model that allows me to use a physically correct camera for my renders. I can use this camera just as I would a normal SLR, setting f-stop, shutter speed, ISO, etc. I can also add bokeh effects, depth of field, and vignetting all within the renderer without the need for an external source. I an also use HDRI images to add lighting to the scene once I delve into that portion of the software.

The setting I use are low irradiance map for my primary light bounces. lightcache at 250 for my secondary bounces, and gamma corrected color mapping. The low settings are responsible for the noise you see in some of the cabinetry and corners of shelving and some splotchiness on the walls and ceiling. I can raise my settings to get rid of this but render times go up. That render took about 2 minutes to render, plus or minus. Once I get things in shape and materials correct I will raise all my settings and render out to high resolution and it will me markedly better.

I am still trying to learn the software (V-Ray that is as I am fluent in the other 2) so my output is not as nice as I would like until I build up a good material library.

John
post #54 of 190
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Well, I passed my insulation inspection so I have started on my gypboard. My inlaws are visiting from Ohio so my father in law wanted to help me over the weekend so we went to the store and ordered the majority of what we needed for the basement. On Sat and Sun we put up 2 layers on the ceiling and walls. No GG as I could not justify the additional expense. I caulked the seams on layer one. I still have to do the soffits to be done with the gypboard in the HT room. After that I will move out to the hallway and into the bathroom.

Once I finish the second layer and get it taped and mudded I will take some photos. The basement is a mess right now so I need to clean up a bit first as well. I defintely need to get better at taking photos.

The drywall lift I bought from Gonzo worked like a charm and I can not imagine not having it for the ceiling. Thanks Gonzo.

I have also been working out some details for my column design. I have some sconces I bought at HD that look like the ones Chirpie has on his wall and I started thinking that I want them enclosed in a column. It will also allow me to enclose my surrounds as well. Tomorrow I will draw up a quick 3d model to see what folks think.

John
post #55 of 190
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Hey all,

Here is an attempt at my wall panel layout. The colors will be darker than those shown. Under the lower dark grey and red panels will be Knauf duct board which seems similar to Linacoustic. The grey will be scrim on the face and the red at the rear face. The upper grey will be just fabric over furring.



The columns are designed to take advantage of of some sconces I have that are the same as what Chirpie used in his theater. I did not want them to be flush with the wall and felt I needed to incorporate them into a column. They are brushed nickel with an arced front and may be a bit shiny so I may have to paint them. The front column will be just the light and stuffed with insulation. The rear column will be the same but will house my surrounds (Ascend HTM-200). The center of all the columns will be speaker grill cloth similar to Ronnie Jackson's but are straight up with a slight arc to the front to match the sconces. All trim will be stained wood, color yet to be determined.

Please let me know what you think.

John
post #56 of 190
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The drywall lift I bought from Gonzo worked like a charm and I can not imagine not having it for the ceiling. Thanks Gonzo.

You are welcome. I am glad it worked out well. I really like the wall/column design!
post #57 of 190
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Thanks Gonzo. I like the columns but I am still not set on the color though. I got my GOM samples and they are the same as SandmanX. I like the colors but I am having difficulty finding carpet I like to go with the colors. I ordered more samples from GOM in greens and blues to see how I like them. Red is a hard color to match carpet to unless it is black carpet and I am NOT going there. I told my wife I would ATTEMPT to color coordinate the HT with the remainder of the basement as long as I can go dark (the basement will be in a sage and tan scheme). As soon as the GOM samples come in I can get a better feel for what colors will look good. I saw one HT that I liked the green colors in (I believe it was CptnRandy) that looked really good. If I can not stay with the red/black combo due to carpet color limits I will change to a green/tan/black scheme. Still undecided obviously.

John
post #58 of 190
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Well I decided that the black /red theme was NOT what I wanted. I was reading through Craig's Reedzone theater thread and loved his use of some fabric on the walls other than GOM and it got me thinking. I went directly over to Hancock fabrics just down the road from me at lunch the other day and found several materials I liked but none of them seemed quite right. I decided to take my wife over there that same evening and we finally found something we can both agree on. And I got it at 50% off which was a BIG savings




I like the look of this combination. The black below is GOM Onyx, and the pattern above I don't remember the name of of the top of my head. I can find out when I get home. The had several variations of the diamond pattern, which were all the same except for the background between the diamonds. This one is dark blue, but under low light looks black. The other choices were a sage green, brown and reddish color. I thought they were all a bit too bright for my taste. The black GOM will be going on the lower 3'-6" of wall and the pattern on the top 4'-6". I will break the separation with stained trim work horizontally and also add a couple breaks vertically to give a paneled look similar to this with combination speaker/sconce columns.



Please let me know what you think, good or bad.
post #59 of 190
I think it looks great, though I wouldn't go with the vertical trim pieces.
post #60 of 190
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Miltimj,

So you think it would look better like this versus the one above?

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