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Is this ups good for a sony a10 50 inch??

post #1 of 22
6/10/06 at 9:37pm
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16842117002R

Is this something that would be good as a surge protector and a ups to keep the lamp fan going in the event of a power outage?

I don't want to spend a bundle, how would this be?

thanks
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post #2 of 22
6/11/06 at 5:42am
Mike,
I saw someone post that they had bought this for their new DLP. The unit you show at newegg looks to be a generic cheap UPS and with no reviews i dont know if id want to trust it to protect a new HDTV.
I googled directups and came up with no reviews and little else.
Id say dont waist your money on it and stick with a known brand UPS if you feel you really need one.
Try reading through these search results
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post #3 of 22
6/11/06 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by LOTL View Post

Mike,
I saw someone post that they had bought this for their new DLP. The unit you show at newegg looks to be a generic cheap UPS and with no reviews i dont know if id want to trust it to protect a new HDTV.
I googled directups and came up with no reviews and little else.
Id say dont waist your money on it and stick with a known brand UPS if you feel you really need one.
Try reading through these search results

thankyou, it seems you feel that it is not necessary to use a ups from your post?
thoughts?
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post #4 of 22
6/11/06 at 10:48am
Mike,
Im certainly no authority on the subject and learn most of what i know from reading through this forum. Im debating on getting the UPS i linked to for my soon to be arriving Samsung DLP. I may have 10 or so power outages or momentary power outages here a year and never had one happen while i was watching TV. I havent seen any conclusive information on whether shutting off a cooling fan on a DLP prematurely really affects bulb longevity. I suppose it could and the theory makes sense. I thnk it comes down to how paranoid you are, how much risk your willing to live with and how deep your pockets are
Good luck with your decision. Read through those search results and look for a thread where this subject is discussed at length. Im sure there are a few others here at AVS as well.
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post #5 of 22
6/12/06 at 6:45pm
I bought of Ebay last week the Belkin battery backup for my Sony 55WF655 and so far love it. Just wanted it for my tv and Moto 6412 Cable box so the setting won't be lost. I also don't like when I'm home watching tv and the power flashes off for a few seconds, so it protects there. Its also a AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator).
LL
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post #6 of 22
6/12/06 at 7:29pm
The APC Smart UPS also has AVR. It doesnt have the Joule rating that the Belkin AP30800-10 has though.
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post #7 of 22
6/12/06 at 8:12pm
I only went with the Belkin because of the dirt cheap price and the looks. I was at Compusa and saw the APC black ups for home theater and they wanted $199. I paid way less than that for the Belkin.
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post #8 of 22
6/13/06 at 3:28am
Yes i see the Belkin going pretty cheap in a few places. I dont see any of the APC AV units going for that $199 you mentioned.
I like the looks of the S type with the pure sine wave, but they arent giving those away either.
APC AV units
There was a discussion about the quality of the sine wave output in some of these UPS's. The Belkin has a "Simulated Sinewave" which is probably the equivalent to APC's stepped sine wave in the J type. For the occasional power outage and for only running a short time to shut the TV down im sure itll be fine.
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post #9 of 22
6/13/06 at 5:00am
I've owned and still own two APC units that both went belly-up after a year. They are both used for my two Sony 50" RPTVs. Forget about warranty service. If anyone has a reliable brand that sells for under one hundred bucks, let me know. These units never even experienced a surge or power outage. Just started clicking (cycling on and off) on the battery side. Unplugged all the battery side stuff and moved it to the surge only side and the clicking stopped. Still don't know if I'm getting any surge protection or if the whole unit is shot.

Anyone else have trouble with APC???

Eric
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post #10 of 22
6/13/06 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by LOTL View Post

Yes i see the Belkin going pretty cheap in a few places. I dont see any of the APC AV units going for that $199 you mentioned.
I like the looks of the S type with the pure sine wave, but they arent giving those away either.
APC AV units
There was a discussion about the quality of the sine wave output in some of these UPS's. The Belkin has a "Simulated Sinewave" which is probably the equivalent to APC's stepped sine wave in the J type. For the occasional power outage and for only running a short time to shut the TV down im sure itll be fine.

The one that Compusa has is like the tall computer one, but black in color and is made for home theater. Its not on the website, I saw it in the store, they had a big stack. But for the price of the Belkin, its a no brainer.

BTW: I also just recieved my Belkin PureAV AP41300-12 PF60 surge protector to replace my older Monster HTS 3000. Couldn't beat the price either.
LL
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post #11 of 22
6/13/06 at 4:15pm
bluer101,
Have you looked into the availability of replacement batteries and their cost?
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post #12 of 22
6/13/06 at 7:30pm
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bluer101,
Have you looked into the availability of replacement batteries and their cost?


I never gave it a thought since you would have to unscrew the unit to open it. Maybe they sell aftermarket (like alarm system batteries) that will work. Maybe I will get around to e-mail Belkin to ask.
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post #13 of 22
6/14/06 at 5:51pm
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How would something like this be? I saw one that accepts rj45 and rj11 as well as co-ax

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1122655672469
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post #14 of 22
6/14/06 at 7:25pm
Mike,
Id check into the wattage rating for your DLP and whatever else you want to put on the UPS before buying anything.
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post #15 of 22
6/14/06 at 9:06pm
Just an FYI for any one considering a Computer UPS for HT usage. Consider the startup current draw of any devices connected. I had 2 brand new APC RS 1000 bite the dust when powering on a 20" Sony CRT monitor. The comparible Belkin model handled the startup current draw with no problem.
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post #16 of 22
6/20/06 at 10:27am
I phoned Belkin this morning and talked to a CSR about this PureAV unit that Bluer101 bought: It is enclosed. You can't replace the battery. I realize that you can get it for a modest cost, but I'm not wild about dropping cabbage on a UPS that will just die eventually. Plus, nothing personal, but Belkin specializes in cheap crap. That's just a fact from my experience. I want to be able to replace the battery, which will definitely wear out because it's constantly holding a charge.

Still hunting for an affordable alternative ... But you aren't going to find a UPS for under $100 that is going to back up a 50-inch DLP and HD TiVo for any length of time. My combo is drawing about 400W at normal operation. So I'd want to get a UPS that pumps out 450, I'd say, just to keep things alive for a couple of minutes during a power outage. If anyone has a good suggestion for a replaceable-battery UPS with a power rating like that -- post away.
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post #17 of 22
6/20/06 at 10:37am
You don't want to use anything that has a "Joule rating" for surge protection. These devices break down over time and will not protect your equipment.

For more info look here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...76#post2421176
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post #18 of 22
6/20/06 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Idahoguy View Post

I phoned Belkin this morning and talked to a CSR about this PureAV unit that Bluer101 bought: It is enclosed. You can't replace the battery. I realize that you can get it for a modest cost, but I'm not wild about dropping cabbage on a UPS that will just die eventually. Plus, nothing personal, but Belkin specializes in cheap crap. That's just a fact from my experience. I want to be able to replace the battery, which will definitely wear out because it's constantly holding a charge.

Still hunting for an affordable alternative ... But you aren't going to find a UPS for under $100 that is going to back up a 50-inch DLP and HD TiVo for any length of time. My combo is drawing about 400W at normal operation. So I'd want to get a UPS that pumps out 450, I'd say, just to keep things alive for a couple of minutes during a power outage. If anyone has a good suggestion for a replaceable-battery UPS with a power rating like that -- post away.


I guess I will endup comming across that problem down the road. I will try openning it up at that time, but until then I will enjoy it.

Now I have them both hooked up and they work great and my old Monster is now protecting the bedroom equipment.
LL
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post #19 of 22
6/21/06 at 8:31pm
OK, maybe I was wrong in my earlier post about finding a decent UPS for under $100. If you want to dip into the UPS world, there's a major bargain at Best Buy online right now for a Geek Squad 685VA UPS/Battery Back-Up System with AVR. And, yes, the battery is hot-swappable.

For $33 shipped (it's discounted by 75 percent on sale; I'm guessing a closeout), it should be able to handle a normal 50-inch DLP draw of 300 watts and, hopefully, another component of modest draw. Maybe a DirecTiVo? I dunno but I'm about to find out. I just ordered one to replace my APC 350 ES, which simply can't hang with my Optoma DLP. For that price, the Geek Squad is almost a throwaway.
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post #20 of 22
7/6/06 at 9:02am
hey Idaho,

Did you go with the geek squad? I ordered it and have a 50" dlp with tivo like you and wondered if it could handle the two.
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post #21 of 22
2/18/07 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Idahoguy View Post

OK, maybe I was wrong in my earlier post about finding a decent UPS for under $100. If you want to dip into the UPS world, there's a major bargain at Best Buy online right now for a Geek Squad 685VA UPS/Battery Back-Up System with AVR. And, yes, the battery is hot-swappable.

For $33 shipped (it's discounted by 75 percent on sale; I'm guessing a closeout), it should be able to handle a normal 50-inch DLP draw of 300 watts and, hopefully, another component of modest draw. Maybe a DirecTiVo? I dunno but I'm about to find out. I just ordered one to replace my APC 350 ES, which simply can't hang with my Optoma DLP. For that price, the Geek Squad is almost a throwaway.


Hey Idahoguy, how did that UPS work out for you? Have you needed the battery to kick in yet?
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post #22 of 22
8/23/10 at 9:56am
This past weekend my Belkin Pure AV battery back up finally failed. I have noticed in the past month that when we have a power surge or couple second power outage it would not stay running. So I returned home after some bad storms and the battery unit and the 3 items connected were all off. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and pressed the power, on i came. Then tries a self test and the unit just shut off as soon as I pressed it.

So I grabbed the front panel and it pulls right off easy exposing a panel with 2 screws. Also there is 2 wires red and black with disconnects. So I unscrewed the panel and disconnected the battery. It pulls right out. The battery is actually 2 12v 7ah batteries series to make 24 volts. Called a couple of local battery places for alarm systems and $42 later I'm back in business.
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