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post #1801 of 3322
1/18/07 at 9:42am
Blacks are fine for me as well. When I ordered mine I was planning on having to do all this tweaking and calibrating. When it got here I played with it, checked out all the settings and menus, ran a THX calibration. I didnt even like it that much with the THX calibration. I just got into a movie, paused it and adjusted a bit. I havent really changed anything since. I got this so I could have something big and nice to watch, not to try and get a real life picture out of it. Though if the picture gets better than this, I dont care, its good for me, I like it, why should I spend time and money trying to get it to what some guy on the internet thinks it should look like.... think about it.
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post #1802 of 3322
1/18/07 at 10:15am
I just picked up a 46E2000 a few days ago, and we really like it so far.

The only thing that I can't figure out is the custom Closed Captioning (Caption Vision) settings. Turning the captioning on or off works fine, but none of the other settings seem to do anything (such as Small Text, Character Size, Character Opacity, Background Opacity, etc).
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post #1803 of 3322
1/18/07 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

Or you can take my word for it, the "blacks" are a dark blue-gray" . It is all in the eye of the individual, so no need to take anyones word, see for yourself, especially in dim lighting of a room and movie.

I'm trying really hard, but I can't see any blue in the blacks.
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post #1804 of 3322
1/18/07 at 12:01pm
Regarding Black Levels:

One huge help, that has been mentioned a thousand times here before, is ambient lighting... We dont have a dedicated backlight to our TV, but we do have a small lamp up on a bookshelf that we leave on 24/7, which provides a low light setting... we have tried this off, and in a totally dark room, yes, you can see on a blank scene in a movies that the blacks are not completely black, (the screen will glow) but with a small amount of room lighting, this "glow" is imperceivable...
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post #1805 of 3322
1/18/07 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

I say pay attention to the quality of the picture, not the name on the front. I just feel Sony gets a pass because it is Sony. Really, I am glad you are all happy with it, and I wish I could have been, but it just wasn't happening. Yes it does do better with SD I will say. Nut if you saw this side by side with another (in my case JVC LCOS) you would then see. I must also state that I was a clor inspector for a digital photo lab for a few years so I see faults in colors all of the time now. And actually it is a bit annoying at times.
Seriously I wanted this set, I passed up a 5yr warranty and 0% financing for 2 years to get rid of it. Not an easy thing to do.

In researching, I did see this TV side by side with a bunch of different units.. Samsung DLP, Mitsubishi, Sony's A2000, JVC, etc.. and for the price, in my opinion there is very little difference in picture quality... Granted these are all on retina burning VIVID mode in store, but what else can you do.

I chose the sony over the others after multiple store trips... Why? the picture just looked better to my wife and I in several different stores, and as silly as it sounds, we liked the look of the box itself. When all things are equal, buy the one that looks good to you.... and enjoy it ...
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post #1806 of 3322
1/18/07 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

I must also state that I was a color inspector for a digital photo lab for a few years so I see faults in colors all of the time now. And actually it is a bit annoying at times.

That explains it. Sort of like a person with perfect pitch who hears sharp and flat notes that most of us would never notice.
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post #1807 of 3322
1/18/07 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by Buddy C View Post

I'm trying really hard, but I can't see any blue in the blacks.

Good, I too wish I didn't. This is basically what it came down to for me. But I am glad you like it, I can't say I didn't, just not the blacks.
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post #1808 of 3322
1/18/07 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by lmacmil View Post

That explains it. Sort of like a person with perfect pitch who hears sharp and flat notes that most of us would never notice.

Yep, and seriously it has been driving my wife (especially) and I nuts. She really hates it when I citique pictures and most especially our wedding pictures. Which are hideous by the way with screaming highlights and a very Cyan tone to them.
I will also say that the JVC is certainly not without faults, as it has a bit of a yellow-green push to it, and has been mentioned by others as well. Also that yellow cast pops up in highlights as well. It is just less of an annoyance to me than the blacks and reds were on the Sony. Now this insanely loud fan may be a different thing! Man, why can't I just buy a TV and be happy with it?!
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post #1809 of 3322
1/18/07 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by farleyville View Post


I chose the sony over the others after multiple store trips... Why? the picture just looked better to my wife and I in several different stores, and as silly as it sounds, we liked the look of the box itself. When all things are equal, buy the one that looks good to you.... and enjoy it ...

I too really liked the looks of the cabinet itself also. The sleek look of the speakers at the bottom was nice as well as a front component input for quickly hooking up a game console. Again, however another factor in leaning to the JVC were the speakers quality. Which used to not be of any concern, and to many of you it may not be, but I had to "temporarily" scrifice my big front speakers for now. We are even using the tv speakers as music sound also. I am ashamed to admit that having been in love with my speakers and home theater sound in general. But our room set up just does not allow all of the stuff for now.
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post #1810 of 3322
1/18/07 at 4:41pm
Hey guys, quick question. I have the 50e2000 with digtial cable through a STB. The TV has a timer option where you can have it turn on or off at any time you would like. I want my tv to come on in the morning to wake me up. The problem I'm having is that it asks which channel you would like the tv on when it comes on, but I can not select inputs which is how I recieve my cable signal. Is there a way around this?
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post #1811 of 3322
1/18/07 at 5:47pm
Hi. I've been looking to get an HDTV for quite some time now. I've been looking at sales, and prices, and all that stuff for about 4 months, just waiting for the right deal to come around. Well, today in the A&B Sound flyer (Canada), there was a Sony's KF42E200A 42 Grand WEGA® 3LCD Rear Projection Television on for $1200 CAD.

My main question is whether or not this TV would be good for gaming with the 360? 90% of the time I will either be watching DVDs, or playing games. But, I've heard from a few sources that gaming with a projection TV isn't the best way to go about it. Apparently LCDs are better for gaming? Also, would this be a good purchase for a first time buyer, or am I better off going with something smaller, and more "low-end"?

Thanks a lot.

EDIT: Apparently it comes with a stand for free as well.
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post #1812 of 3322
1/18/07 at 9:59pm
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does this set take 1080i input or does it down convert to 720p and if so, is it bad?

does this model have the reverse 3:2 pulldown technology?

does anyone know the contrast ratio of this model?

does anyone know the display response time for this model?
and what exactly does the display response time do or what is it for,,, as i assume the lower the ms the better,,,,


thanks in advance
Billy34
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post #1813 of 3322
1/19/07 at 4:49am
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Originally Posted by Billy34 View Post

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does this set take 1080i input or does it down convert to 720p and if so, is it bad?

does this model have the reverse 3:2 pulldown technology?

does anyone know the contrast ratio of this model?

does anyone know the display response time for this model?
and what exactly does the display response time do or what is it for,,, as i assume the lower the ms the better,,,,


thanks in advance
Billy34

1. The set scales all rez's to 720p. 1080i signals scaled to 720p look fine.

2. Not sure but my DVD player does the reverse 3:2. I have not had any problems with any video-based or film-based source.

3&4. I have not seen published specs but as far as contrast ratio is concerned, it is good enough to yield good blacks with shadow detail when properly adjusted. I have not seen any video lag so response time seem sufficient as well. I find, however, that the picture, not the spec matters, so your eyes have to be the judge.
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post #1814 of 3322
1/19/07 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by remmy View Post

Hi. I've been looking to get an HDTV for quite some time now. I've been looking at sales, and prices, and all that stuff for about 4 months, just waiting for the right deal to come around. Well, today in the A&B Sound flyer (Canada), there was a Sony's KF42E200A 42 Grand WEGA® 3LCD Rear Projection Television on for $1200 CAD.

My main question is whether or not this TV would be good for gaming with the 360? 90% of the time I will either be watching DVDs, or playing games. But, I've heard from a few sources that gaming with a projection TV isn't the best way to go about it. Apparently LCDs are better for gaming? Also, would this be a good purchase for a first time buyer, or am I better off going with something smaller, and more "low-end"?

Thanks a lot.

EDIT: Apparently it comes with a stand for free as well.

I have a 360 connected to my 46e2000. It's great for gaming. You won't be dissapointed.
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post #1815 of 3322
1/19/07 at 8:01am
[color=PaleTurquoise]Due a design fault in my Directv HR20-700 DVR my HDMI cable does not maintain contact with the HDMI input. Directv HD Tech Support suggested that I switch from HDMI to Component.

Since I ran the HDMI directly to my 46E2000 to maximize the video signal, audio is handled with an Optical cable so HDMI audio is not an issue. Neither is cable availability. I have both type of cables on hand. The HDMI is a Monster Cable - 4' HDMI U2 V1000. The Components are Monster Cable - Ultra Series 4' THX-Certified Component Video Cable Model: U2 V1000 C.

After converting over to Component cables late last night neither my wife nor I could see any difference in Directv SD or HD picture quality.

My questions.
"Will the video signal become degraded or some other feature found only in the HDMI be lost by the use of Component instead of HDMI?"

"Is there any hidden advantage IN the use of Component instead of HDMI?"

Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Louisp

OUR SETUP

Video Display
Sony KDF-46E2000 46" Grand WEGA 3LCD Rear Projection HDTV

Audio Video Receiver
Onkyo TX-SR804 THX Select2 7.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver

DVD/CD/SACD Players
Sony DVP-NC85H/B 5-Disc DVD/CD Progressive Scan Up-Scaling Changer
&
Denon 2200 Progressive Scan DVD-Audio/Video Super Audio CD (SACD) Player

VCR Player
Mitsubishi HS-U748 Super VHS VCR

Satellite Video Source
Directv HR20-700 HD DVR Satellite Receiver

Speakers
Infinity Alpha 50 - 3-Way Dual 8" Floorstanding Front L/R Loudspeakers
Infinity Alpha 37C - 3-Way Dual 6-1/2" Center Channel Loudspeaker
Infinity Alpha 20 - 2-Way 6-1/2" Bookshelf Surround L/R Loudspeakers
Infinity Alpha 10 - 2-Way 5-1/4" Bookshelf Surround Back L/R Loudspeakers
Valodyne VRP-1000 10" Subwoofer

Power
Monster Home Theatre Reference HTS 3600 MKII PowerCenter with Clean Power State 3v2.1 Circuitry

Cabling
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 HDMI Interconnect (2)
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Fiber Optic Digital Interconnect
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Digital Coaxial Interconnect
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Subwoofer Interconnect
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Analog Audio Interconnects
Monster Video 3 Double Shielded S-Video Cable
Radio Shack Ultra Gold Series Analog Audio Interconnects (8)(SACD)
Monster Z1 Audiophile Speaker Cable (Front L/R, Center Channel)
Monster New Monster Cable Clear Jacket Speaker Cable (Surround L/R, Surround Back L/R)

Remote Control
Harmon Kardon TC-30 15-Device Web-Programmable Remote
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post #1816 of 3322
1/19/07 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by 1953 View Post

Due a design fault in my Directv HR20-700 DVR my HDMI cable does not maintain contact with the HDMI input. Directv HD Tech Support suggested that I switch from HDMI to Component.

Since I ran the HDMI directly to my 46E2000 to maximize the video signal, audio is handled with an Optical cable so HDMI audio is not an issue. Neither is cable availability. I have both type of cables on hand. The HDMI is a Monster Cable - 4' HDMI U2 V1000. The Components are Monster Cable - Ultra Series 4' THX-Certified Component Video Cable Model: U2 V1000 C.

After converting over to Component cables late last night neither my wife nor I could see any difference in Directv SD or HD picture quality.

My questions.
"Will the video signal become degraded or some other feature found only in the HDMI be lost by the use of Component instead of HDMI?"

"Is there any hidden advantage IN the use of Component instead of HDMI?"

Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Louisp

In case it helps here is a complete list of our setup.

U]Video Display[/u]
Sony KDF-46E2000 46" Grand WEGA 3LCD Rear Projection HDTV

Audio Video Receiver
Onkyo TX-SR804 THX Select2 7.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver

DVD/CD/SACD Players
Sony DVP-NC85H/B 5-Disc DVD/CD Progressive Scan Up-Scaling Changer
&
Denon 2200 Progressive Scan DVD-Audio/Video Super Audio CD (SACD) Player

VCR Player
Mitsubishi HS-U748 Super VHS VCR

Satellite Video Source
Directv HR20-700 HD DVR Satellite Receiver

Speakers
Infinity Alpha 50 - 3-Way Dual 8" Floorstanding Front L/R Loudspeakers
Infinity Alpha 37C - 3-Way Dual 6-1/2" Center Channel Loudspeaker
Infinity Alpha 20 - 2-Way 6-1/2" Bookshelf Surround L/R Loudspeakers
Infinity Alpha 10 - 2-Way 5-1/4" Bookshelf Surround Back L/R Loudspeakers
Valodyne VRP-1000 10" Subwoofer

Power
Monster Home Theatre Reference HTS 3600 MKII PowerCenter with Clean Power State 3v2.1 Circuitry

Cabling
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 HDMI Interconnect (2)
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Fiber Optic Digital Interconnect
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Digital Coaxial Interconnect
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Subwoofer Interconnect
Monster THX Ultra Series THX 1000 Analog Audio Interconnects
Monster Video 3 Double Shielded S-Video Cable
Radio Shack Ultra Gold Series Analog Audio Interconnects (8)(SACD)
Monster Z1 Audiophile Speaker Cable (Front L/R, Center Channel)
Monster New Monster Cable Clear Jacket Speaker Cable (Surround L/R, Surround Back L/R)

Remote Control
Harmon Kardon TC-30 15-Device Web-Programmable Remote[color=White]


Your mileage may vary but in my A/B comparisons between component and HDMI on my Comcast leased motorola 6412 STB/DVR, I could not see any difference in image quality. It sounds like you are in the same boat so don't worry about it.

One friendly piece of advice and please don't take it the wroing way. If you should need cables in the future, please do yourself and wallet a big favor. Don't buy Monster. There's nothing wrong with them except for the fact that they are way overpriced. Check the posts throughout this site for links to vendors who sell quality cables for a fraction of the price. I buy all my cables from monoprice.com. Comparable HDMI cable cost me $10, components $6.

Cheers.
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post #1817 of 3322
1/19/07 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by rosh400 View Post

Your mileage may vary but in my A/B comparisons between component and HDMI on my Comcast leased motorola 6412 STB/DVR, I could not see any difference in image quality. It sounds like you are in the same boat so don't worry about it.

One friendly piece of advice and please don't take it the wroing way. If you should need cables in the future, please do yourself and wallet a big favor. Don't buy Monster. There's nothing wrong with them except for the fact that they are way overpriced. Check the posts throughout this site for links to vendors who sell quality cables for a fraction of the price. I buy all my cables from monoprice.com. Comparable HDMI cable cost me $10, components $6.

Cheers.

Thanks for your advice, especially about the cabling.

Lp
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post #1818 of 3322
1/19/07 at 10:42am
unless the source is using really crappy A/D or your cabling is running on top of electrical wires you are not going to see a difference between Component and HDMI.
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post #1819 of 3322
1/19/07 at 10:53am
Hi All,

Pretty new to the HD game but a fairly tech savvy person. I have two questions, well really one question and the other. I'm looking for some affirmation. I did quite a bit of research on what tv to purchase (First HD purchase upgrading from a Sony Wega CRT that is a beast but had a great picture for what it was), unfortunately did not find AVS until after my purchase.

Anyway I was caught between going with a 32 Bravia and a flat panel versus the 46 E2000. Its about 8 feet of viewing distance (slightly over) with my room set-up but with the 32 Bravia I thought about tweaking the room to make it more like 7'. So I decided on the 46 E2000 for price/size/picture quality I thought it made the most sense though a less sexy purchase vs the Bravia. Anyway what do you all think, good choice?

Ok so now on to a real question, before coming here I had heard about calibration but knew nothing about it. I had adjusted my settings on my own before reading AVS because I felt like the set was definitely way too bright, after reading through nearly all 60+ pages I am probably going to tweak a little further.

Having never messed with the service menu, do you think I should go that far? or just stick with adjustments available on the regular menu and then think about the service menu after I have had some time viewing HD. Also, any real preferred settings in this post that folks can point me too? Room is pretty well light for daytime viewing but most of my TV time is at night under nice on the eyes soft light.
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post #1820 of 3322
1/19/07 at 11:11am
Rock,
You made a great choice. The extra 12" are HUGE. I just moved from a 34" 16:9 SonyWega to the 46E2000 and we honestly don't know how we were watching such a small screen before (@ 10'). Min distance for this TV is 6', so 8' is fine.

For calibration, I would tell you to get the DVE or AVIA disk, but in all reality you can pretty much just copy someone else's.

Here was my first one done on DVE through a 480i DVD player using Component with nearly no light:

Custom
Auto 2
50
36
54
0
Warm 1
MIN
Black Corrector LOW
Gamma OFF
Clear White OFF (you can leave it on, it's ok)
Color Corrector OFF

When I switched over to my satellite the picture was too dark, so I moved the Picture up to 75. I also played around with the advanced settings and realized that the Black Corrector, while making blacks a little blacker also crushes them, so you see no detail w/in black. I recommened leaving all of the advanced settings off.

This now give a great picture in a room with normal ambient light. In a dark room it's a little bright so I usually turn down the Picture. If there is a good amount of sunlight you can crank it up, though it doesn't help much.

There are some posts on here about playing with the service menu to fix the red push. I didn't see a red push using DVE (blue and red are right on, my green is off) but regardless I think my color settings are accurate. Watching sports (where I know the actual uniform colors) I think I have it tuned in.
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post #1821 of 3322
1/19/07 at 1:12pm
Has anyone noticed a quick flash of green on this set?

I see it in the upper left hand corner area. Probably 2" wide by 3/4" tall. Flashes for less than a second.

Noticed it 3 times in a few hours last night.

Anyone?
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post #1822 of 3322
1/19/07 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by Rock48nj View Post

Hi All,

Pretty new to the HD game but a fairly tech savvy person. I have two questions, well really one question and the other. I'm looking for some affirmation. I did quite a bit of research on what tv to purchase (First HD purchase upgrading from a Sony Wega CRT that is a beast but had a great picture for what it was), unfortunately did not find AVS until after my purchase.

Anyway I was caught between going with a 32 Bravia and a flat panel versus the 46 E2000. Its about 8 feet of viewing distance (slightly over) with my room set-up but with the 32 Bravia I thought about tweaking the room to make it more like 7'. So I decided on the 46 E2000 for price/size/picture quality I thought it made the most sense though a less sexy purchase vs the Bravia. Anyway what do you all think, good choice?

Ok so now on to a real question, before coming here I had heard about calibration but knew nothing about it. I had adjusted my settings on my own before reading AVS because I felt like the set was definitely way too bright, after reading through nearly all 60+ pages I am probably going to tweak a little further.

Having never messed with the service menu, do you think I should go that far? or just stick with adjustments available on the regular menu and then think about the service menu after I have had some time viewing HD. Also, any real preferred settings in this post that folks can point me too? Room is pretty well light for daytime viewing but most of my TV time is at night under nice on the eyes soft light.

I would second the motion of getting a calibration disk. If you are tech savvy, you can purchase the getgray disk by checking the calibration forum. Just need to get a blue filter from a photosupply store or blue filter glasses from THX.

Unless your set is really out of whack or you are a videophile that must have a perfect picture, i would steer clear of the service menu. You can really screw up your set and void the warranty.

I have my set calibrated with getgray using the sony 75H upconverting DVD player. You need to be mindful of the fact that settings are source, input, and lighting condition dependent. Different DVD players will yield different results on the same TV. Also the setings from a calibration disk will not be appropriate for cable TV through an STB or OTA. The settings from the disk are a good starting point, but you may have to tweak them. You should also use the custom setting and turn all advanced options off.
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post #1823 of 3322
1/19/07 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by chrisclearman View Post

Has anyone noticed a quick flash of green on this set?

I see it in the upper left hand corner area. Probably 2" wide by 3/4" tall. Flashes for less than a second.

Noticed it 3 times in a few hours last night.

Anyone?

What were you watching. Sounds like something from the source, not the set. i've never seen anything like that.
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post #1824 of 3322
1/19/07 at 4:06pm
Thanks for the heads up so far... I will likely try tweaking some settings via folks from people on here. I defintely think the TV is great and love the size for the room I have. I think the 32 would feel so small now that I consider things.
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1/19/07 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by remmy View Post

Hi. I've been looking to get an HDTV for quite some time now. I've been looking at sales, and prices, and all that stuff for about 4 months, just waiting for the right deal to come around. Well, today in the A&B Sound flyer (Canada), there was a Sony's KF42E200A 42 Grand WEGA® 3LCD Rear Projection Television on for $1200 CAD.

My main question is whether or not this TV would be good for gaming with the 360? 90% of the time I will either be watching DVDs, or playing games. But, I've heard from a few sources that gaming with a projection TV isn't the best way to go about it. Apparently LCDs are better for gaming? Also, would this be a good purchase for a first time buyer, or am I better off going with something smaller, and more "low-end"?

Thanks a lot.

EDIT: Apparently it comes with a stand for free as well.

Remmy Check the latest Futureshop Sale: 46E2000 with stand 1299.00 Can.
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post #1826 of 3322
1/20/07 at 8:44am
I think the green box has only happened on stretched 4:3 and 4:3 shown over a digital station (with set black bars). Didn't notice it last night on two movies or TV.
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post #1827 of 3322
1/20/07 at 5:18pm
Gotta say... less than a week and I'm sooo happy.


To the newbies lurking and reading, don't pay attention to the men behind the curtains. This is a great set, as a "non-videofile" I've gotta say it really rocks. I can't debate color pushes and/or black levels. I can say that the PS3 looks AWESOME. The HD channels via Cable are stunning.


If you don't already have a HD Cablebox, be sure to get one before you get the TV. The delivery folks should hook it up for you, saving you the trouble of swapping boxes later. I was too anxious to get it myself, so I picked it up (no delivery). I was told/reminded to get a the HD box that same day.

Re: Tweaks... I went to change the settings and only found a couple that weren't already set right.


No major home theater things going on. I do have a buddy in the business and he hooked up the HD Cable box and PS3. He'll return when we get surround speakers and hook up the reciever.


Thanks again for all the great info.
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post #1828 of 3322
1/22/07 at 6:37am
I'm finding that my 46E2000 won't respond to incoming IR commands while it's warming up (about 15 seconds) from OFF. This causes issues with macros from my remote to swith input to match video sources.

I haven't seen this addressed in the thread - is anyone else running into this?
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post #1829 of 3322
1/22/07 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by ih8gates View Post

I'm finding that my 46E2000 won't respond to incoming IR commands while it's warming up (about 15 seconds) from OFF. This causes issues with macros from my remote to swith input to match video sources.

I haven't seen this addressed in the thread - is anyone else running into this?

I'm using a Harmony 670 with this set and have no problem changing activities which almost always has an input switch as one of the initial commands. Have you checked with your remote manufacturer's tech support?
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post #1830 of 3322
1/22/07 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by ih8gates View Post

I'm finding that my 46E2000 won't respond to incoming IR commands while it's warming up (about 15 seconds) from OFF. This causes issues with macros from my remote to swith input to match video sources.

I haven't seen this addressed in the thread - is anyone else running into this?


You didn't mention the brand of remote so my solution may or may not work depending on your remotes feature set. Anyway, this issue can be solved by inserting "delays(time)" into your macros steps.

I have a Harman Kardon TC-30 and have no problems with my 46E.

Good Luck,
Louisp
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