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post #121 of 267
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Demo disks can use high bitrates. For that one I hope they use more than 25GB unless they can get this long movie to look like that in just that amount of space (which I doubt with MPEG2).
Yes but on the *same* demo disc the 5E looked like upconverted SD material and LOA looked like looking through a window.
post #122 of 267
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Yes but on the *same* demo disc the 5E looked like upconverted SD material and LOA looked like looking through a window.
The phrase was "CAN use high bit rates". Maybe they didn't use a high bit rate for 5thE as a sacrifice for a VERY high bit rate on LOA.

In any case, the message to the studios should be loud and clear: DON'T think that just because it's "highdef" that your releases won't be SCRUTINIZED very carefully, more so than ever. Mediocrity doesn't cut it when excellence is available. I assume nothing about an eventual LOA (or any other) release based on that demo.
post #123 of 267
I also seen The Fifth Element on HBO via Comcast ( and remember Comcast does not cut bit-rates or down-convert like DirecTV does ) and it looks great, very sharp ( and yes it was OAR also ).
post #124 of 267
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Originally Posted by boo
I also seen The Fifth Element on HBO via Comcast ( and remember Comcast does not cut bit-rates or down-convert like DirecTV does ) and it looks great, very sharp ( and yes it was OAR also ).
Doesn't sound good for what Sony did with this release (bit rate, etc.).
post #125 of 267
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Originally Posted by boo
...and remember Comcast does not cut bit-rates or down-convert like DirecTV does ...
Depends on the local comcast setup / policy ... in our area they do.
post #126 of 267
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Originally Posted by RobertR
Doesn't sound good for what Sony did with this release (bit rate, etc.).
I'm not sure if anybody has seen both versions, but we should be careful about jumping to conclusions from different people reporting on different transfers. That is a little bit like 2 different people looking at 2 different pictures of the same woman and reporting how attractive they think she is, then judging the picture quality from that.

--Darin
post #127 of 267
I have seen 5th Element on Comcast as well. Personally, I wasn't blown away by the PQ either. Like others have mentioned, the film shows very well on DVD. I don't think anyone has said the HD version looks bad. Just not spectacular. The same was true of the Sony demo as well. I'm not 100 satisfied that bitrate on the disc would cause the image to not look spectacular. Hopefully we can hear some more about other discs.
post #128 of 267
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Originally Posted by pteittinen
Let's not forget that so much of this is subjective. For example, I bought the Apollo 13 HD DVD because someone (Digital Bits, maybe) raved about the picture quality. When the title finally arrived, I was tremendously disappointed with it. For the most part it looked like a well-scaled DVD.
You got to be kidding! I have both the HD-DVD and DVD DST versions of Apollo 13 that I demo to my first time family and friends and I as they can see the difference with the HD-DVD the skin, hair and clothing looks more real (or detailed) than the up-converted DVD DST version.

Just to add, both versions seen through the same HDMI connection.

...Angelo
post #129 of 267
Here is a sweet Korean showing it up today.

http://images.akihabaranews.com/news...BD-P1000_1.jpg

http://images.akihabaranews.com/news...BD-P1000_4.jpg

Don't say the Samsung doesn't look good :o
post #130 of 267
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Originally Posted by angelo913
You got to be kidding!
And you're missing the point I was making.
post #131 of 267
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Originally Posted by Likvid
Don't say the Samsung doesn't look good :o
There's a BD-player in those photos?
post #132 of 267
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That is a little bit like 2 different people looking at 2 different pictures of the same woman and reporting how attractive they think she is, then judging the picture quality from that.
That analogy is off base. We’re talking about aspects of picture quality. Differing ideas about what’s an attractive woman are an unnecessary variable that makes comparison too difficult. The fact is that NO one has said the BR 5thE is excellent, whereas at least one person was impressed by the Comcast.
post #133 of 267
Ok,

So far a a/b comparison between HD DVD and Blueray titles so far and HD DVD looks better to me. I got my Blueray player and T1 and 5th. I have them both setup going to a Yammy Z9 receiver and a Panny 900 projector for my set up. Both are going thru the same hdmi switcher and same cables.

The Blueray just looks less detailed. Any other owners want to comment. Is it my set up or my eyes? Blueray looks good but just like the Demos it appears to have less detail than HD DVD.
post #134 of 267
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Yes but on the *same* demo disc the 5E looked like upconverted SD material and LOA looked like looking through a window.
A lot of this is going to come come to source material. Comparing the camera negative of Fifth Element using Super35 vs LOA using 65mm it's a no-contest as far as original negative size. A relative comparison can be seen here. LOA is the bottom left and 5th Element is top right, which is cropped even smaller for the Super35 process.

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/Wide...spectratio.htm

b2b
post #135 of 267
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Originally Posted by Carbo
Ok,

So far a a/b comparison between HD DVD and Blueray titles so far and HD DVD looks better to me. I got my Blueray player and T1 and 5th. I have them both setup going to a Yammy Z9 receiver and a Panny 900 projector for my set up. Both are going thru the same hdmi switcher and same cables.

The Blueray just looks less detailed. Any other owners want to comment. Is it my set up or my eyes? Blueray looks good but just like the Demos it appears to have less detail than HD DVD.
Interesting, but I guess the true test is the same titles on both machines.
post #136 of 267
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Originally Posted by Carbo
Ok,

So far a a/b comparison between HD DVD and Blueray titles so far and HD DVD looks better to me. I got my Blueray player and T1 and 5th. I have them both setup going to a Yammy Z9 receiver and a Panny 900 projector for my set up. Both are going thru the same hdmi switcher and same cables.

The Blueray just looks less detailed. Any other owners want to comment. Is it my set up or my eyes? Blueray looks good but just like the Demos it appears to have less detail than HD DVD.
I am picking up my BD player in a few hours.

I will have both going to a Panny 8UK 50 inch plasma. I'll report my first impressions later this week..

More HD is better... :D
post #137 of 267
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Originally Posted by plazman
I am picking up my BD player in a few hours.

I will have both going to a Panny 8UK 50 inch plasma. I'll report my first impressions later this week..

More HD is better... :D
from where?!?!?

damn it, i've got to work and can't spend time hunting one down...my only effort was to go to the NY midtown BB and it was a no go...

feels like the hd dvd excitement all over again!

please post pics, even though we know that pics don't do justice...
post #138 of 267
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Originally Posted by Carbo
Ok,

So far a a/b comparison between HD DVD and Blueray titles so far and HD DVD looks better to me. I got my Blueray player and T1 and 5th. I have them both setup going to a Yammy Z9 receiver and a Panny 900 projector for my set up. Both are going thru the same hdmi switcher and same cables.

The Blueray just looks less detailed. Any other owners want to comment. Is it my set up or my eyes? Blueray looks good but just like the Demos it appears to have less detail than HD DVD.
got any pics?
post #139 of 267
sorry, someone has to be the pic-whore :D
post #140 of 267
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Originally Posted by BenDover
from where?!?!?

damn it, i've got to work and can't spend time hunting one down...my only effort was to go to the NY midtown BB and it was a no go...

feels like the hd dvd excitement all over again!

please post pics, even though we know that pics don't do justice...

Best Buy, Tyson's Corner (Washington DC area). They had one to sell. I know the manager and it was mine (although technically it was not supposed to be sold until June 25th).

Thanks AVS Forum :D
post #141 of 267
Thank God I don't have the funds readily available, or I'd be out on a hunt myself! T1 sounds like something I wanna see a bit more than even 5E.
post #142 of 267
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Originally Posted by plazman
Best Buy, Tyson's Corner (Washington DC area). They had one to sell. I know the manager and it was mine (although technically it was not supposed to be sold until June 25th).

Thanks AVS Forum :D
How much is BB charging for the extended warranty?
post #143 of 267
$79.99 for the 4-yr.

I was able to pricematch for the CC $100 coupon and got mine for $899...but I also did get the warranty.

Ed
post #144 of 267
Can anyone confirm if the Blu-ray titels have any extras? I've been waiting on getting an HD-DVD deck to see how it stacks up to Blu-ray, but it is getting very hard to wait. I just don't want to pay premium for discs with no extras. Hope Sony doesn't drop the ball and do a Superbit thing...
post #145 of 267
Best bet for 1st gen releases on either format is to get a netflix account. That way you can sample them easily and only buy the ones that pass the quality test that each person sets for themselves.
post #146 of 267
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Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge
Best bet for 1st gen releases on either format is to get a netflix account. That way you can sample them easily and only buy the ones that pass the quality test that each person sets for themselves.
I agree, this sounds like the best option for now. I'll dive in head-first once the dual layer discs come out, hopefully with a more efficient codec.
post #147 of 267
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Originally Posted by aaronwt
http://www.aaronwt.com/images/Home%2...1080Psetup.jpg

Is that a 37" Sceptre X37SV-Naga I see? ;)
post #148 of 267
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Originally Posted by txfilmguy
I agree, this sounds like the best option for now. I'll dive in head-first once the dual layer discs come out, hopefully with a more efficient codec.
It's worked well for me with HD DVD releases so far, I've managed to sample a fair bit but haven't bought anythign yet since I expect re-releases with expanded editions someday when they gain more experience with the new codecs. BD has me buying a few more titles at launch, titles I had wanted on DVD but skipped over, but that's more a thing of wanting to support my format of choice with purchases. Some things are still shifted to rental, like Fifth Element. Either way, Netflix has made it easy to have format preferences and get what you want shipped.
post #149 of 267
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Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge
It's worked well for me with HD DVD releases so far, I've managed to sample a fair bit but haven't bought anythign yet since I expect re-releases with expanded editions someday when they gain more experience with the new codecs. BD has me buying a few more titles at launch, titles I had wanted on DVD but skipped over, but that's more a thing of wanting to support my format of choice with purchases. Some things are still shifted to rental, like Fifth Element. Either way, Netflix has made it easy to have format preferences and get what you want shipped.
Not buying BD mpeg-2 SL disks. Yeah. I can't let Sony get away with that :mad:
post #150 of 267
I think that is taking things a bit too personal.

DL discs will come when the time has come.
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