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post #211 of 267
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
at the moment the LPCM on BDs are 16/48 and the Dolby TruHD and DD+ tracks on BD are *also* 16/48.
I still think it makes perfect sense for the PCM to be 16/48 as it is the same on just about all the D5HD format video tape from the studios dups. and wouldnt you know D5HD is 8 channel LPCM at 16/48 sounds similar to BD eh?
post #212 of 267
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I don't think you're reading enough reviews. :) I've written negative reviews of the technical aspects of A View from Space with Heavenly Music and The Perfect Storm, for instance. Many reviews on the presentations of Full Metal Jacket and The Fugitive from a variety of different sites have been middling.
Wrong I am reading the reviews, (generally yours first to date... Just to let it be knows... Long time listener first time caller syndrome :D ) but I also read the reviews for POTO, Serenity, Last Samauri.... those titles were first out the gate, just like Terminator is getting "decent" reviews so far... but when half of your new releases are not "on par" with another form of HD then why would you keep looking to the future? I ask because I have HD DVD BIG FRIGGIN DEAL, but you have to admit the look of the films so far is far and away AMAZING... and in 1080i none the less... SO if I am one of the conspiracy theorists... everyone is comparing HD to BD have it WRONG, because they are saying (if they are saying) BD quality is as good as HD... then HD still has the upper hand because they don't even do 1080p yet!!! :D That is something else to REALLY ponder over, unless Sony is CLEARLY better quality side-by-side than Toshiba, then what is the point in arguing, because it would stand to reason that once the HD machines do 1080p it should hypothetically be better than anything possible on BD... What do you think? (in a non-partisan way and from someone who simply wants the best format to win, so he/she can watch their HD materials in peace!)
post #213 of 267
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Originally Posted by Hetz
Well said. These reviewers are clearly the first wave of "Damage Control" for Blu-Ray. HD-DVD is cheaper and has better quality right now. Who in their right minds would waste $1000 on an inferior player?
Oh wow, here they come. The hordes of HD-DVD salesmen trying to convince everyone to buy "HD-DVD, it's cheap !!"... no dice.. I you love HD-DVD so much, just go and watch it and mind your own business... :)

b2b
post #214 of 267
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Originally Posted by b2bonez
Oh wow, here they come. The hordes of HD-DVD salesmen trying to convince everyone to buy "HD-DVD, it's cheap !!"... no dice.. I you love HD-DVD so much, just go and watch it and mind your own business... :)

b2b
I bought HD DVD because the picture quality is amazing and yes its cheap. I bought Blu Ray because the hype was immense, but it wasnt cheap. Cant wait to see it with my own eyes, but no BD discs yet.
post #215 of 267
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Originally Posted by Andrew P
I bought HD DVD because the picture quality is amazing and yes its cheap. I bought Blu Ray because the hype was immense, but it wasnt cheap. Cant wait to see it with my own eyes, but no BD discs yet.
Good on you for avoiding the herd mentality and being willing to give both a shot...I look forward to the side by side comparisons people are able to do. Just need two titles the same for one of the machines.

I'm coming to suspect though that both formats will offer great picture and sound, and we will eventually get to a point where the focus is on examining current players on the market and the quality of the recordings available instead of format nuances.
post #216 of 267
My equipment is ISF calibrated, I know enough to know when an image is soft and lacks detail. It not even a close call. These discs are way off in terms of picture quality. They do sound good, but I believe most people will see picture 1st and maybe notice the sound difference. Once you get out of these forums, it will be a few ears here and there that will notice.

The player is nice, it works and has less flaws out of the box then toshibas but if you put these things side by side in the store the HD DVD looks far better. The dealer that i recieved mine from has set up the Samsung with a Sony XRD and the HD DVD with Toshiba TV. I think anyone that looks at these to sets side by side can tell the Sony has a nicer picture, but when the dealer play the Blueray demo and the HD DVD demo, the HD DVD Demo looks noticeably better. So if you are looking to buy and see this and then notice the better picture is comming from a cheaper machine. Well unless you are brand loyal I say most will go for the HD DVD.

I am also not a HD DVD fan boy. Remember I just spent a grand on this player. I just want content. But unless the reviews get better down the road I will probably just rent Bluerays.
post #217 of 267
maybe I should do a mulit format shoot out!:D

35mm Film vs. LD vs. dvd vs. D5 HD vs. D-VHS recording vs. D-theater vs. HD DVD vs. Blu-ray. that is if universal studio decides to support BD and release U-571...:)
post #218 of 267
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Originally Posted by COVERkreator
maybe I should do a mulit format shoot out!:D

35mm Film vs. LD vs. dvd vs. D5 HD vs. D-VHS recording vs. D-theater vs. HD DVD vs. Blu-ray. that is if universal studio decides to support BD and release U-571...:)
LOL, yeah that would be a great duel! And I agree about U-571, it's a super reference title. I was floored by it on my HD-A1, and would like to compare it to a Blu-Ray copy, too...we'll have to wait.
post #219 of 267
Question for any new owners, did the Samsung player include the Memento movie and a special demo disc that contained a few trailers and a Black Crowes concert?

Bill
post #220 of 267
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Originally Posted by ILJG
LOL, yeah that would be a great duel! .
More like WWF where a lot of people "fight" each other ...
post #221 of 267
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Bobbing 1080i to get 1080p is NOT real 1080p!!!!
I believe that most films are encoded at 24fps so that two alternate frames (540 lines) are exactly equivalent to one full frame (1080 lines), rather than having each frame be a transition between the one before and after. Thus my understanding is that with correct deinterlacing, 1080p is easy to create from this sort of 1080i, and should be exactly what you would get from true 1080p.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that for those displays that don't accept 1080p, their onboard scalers are not likely to do the correct deinterlacing? That would be the case no matter what the source. Or that the player will not output 1080p?

In my case, I have an HD Leeza processor that accepts 1080i and should do a good job of creating true 1080p from it.
post #222 of 267
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Originally Posted by Andrew P
Amazing for Terminator as a 20 year old movie? or amazing by HD standards? Generally older movies just do not look as good...
Not if the mastering & transfer is done right- look what Lowry digital did with North by Northwest , Doctor Zhivago etc
post #223 of 267
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Originally Posted by jfrost
The first review is in for Terminator...

http://www.upcomingdiscs.com/dvd_rev...pe=date_posted

Sounds like a good one!
Especially for a 22year old film :)
post #224 of 267
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Originally Posted by angelo913
It converts 1080p24 to 1080i60 then 1080p30. No straight output for 1080p24.

...Angelo
Where did you get this info. It's my understanding that if you connect the player via HDMI to a HDTV display and the display cannot accept a 1080p/24 input the player and the display will negotiate to a rate the monitor can accept. This could be a rate such as 1080i or perhaps 1080p/30.

Ron Jones
post #225 of 267
The specs for both HDMI and ATSC include 1080p24 as one of the allowed frame rates, so there is no reason any HDTV should be unable to receive and convert a 1080p24 signal.
post #226 of 267
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Originally Posted by cooldjryan
Sorry for the delay, between working and finishing up finals I have only had time to do this while I'm here at work.

I'll look at the back of each movie, just for you Alex. :p

50 First Dates:
English PCM 5.1 (uncompressed)
English 5.1
French 5.1

Special Features:
Seamless Menu Navigation (on every disc, wow! :eek: )
Actor & Director's Commentary
Gag Reel
"Talkin' Pidgin" Featurette

The Terminator:
English PCM 5.1 (uncompressed)
English 5.1
French 5.1

Special Features:
7 Deleted Scenes
Creating The Terminator: Visual Effects & Music
Terminator: A Retrospective

House of Flying Daggers, Hitch, and The Fifth Element are all similar. XXX has no special features according to the box.

I hooked up the bd player with the 5.1 ch out to a Yamaha 5890 receiver, and while watchin the Fifth Element the sound was great. Much better than the output I initially got from the toshiba hd-a1, although I might not have set that up correctly. When I do hit the audio button on the remote, it does not show the hd audio formats like the Toshiba does, only DD 5.1.
i'M sorry but who here wants to pay $1000 for just DD, mpeg2 and the same pic as HD DVD? The core DTS that The Toshiba re-encodes and spits out through the optical is even a higher BR than reg DTS and thats even higher than reg DD! now DD+ blows everything out of the water, does BR give you that?.....i really am asking.
post #227 of 267
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Originally Posted by Macroblocker
i'M sorry but who here wants to pay $1000 for just DD, mpeg2 and the same pic as HD DVD? The core DTS that The Toshiba re-encodes and spits out through the optical is even a higher BR than reg DTS and thats even higher than reg DD! now DD+ blows everything out of the water, does BR give you that?.....i really am asking.
I guess you have not noticed 5.1 PCM uncompressed. Am I right? :rolleyes:
It comes at a cost (no, not the $1000 one), but that's for another debate.
post #228 of 267
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Originally Posted by kdragon
I guess you have not noticed 5.1 PCM uncompressed. Am I right? :rolleyes:
It comes at a cost (no, not the $1000 one), but that's for another debate.
But uncompressed *what*? Regular old Redbook CD audio is uncompressed too. Are you saying there are no compressed audio formats that sound better than CD audio? Given the same bitrate (or even half the bitrate), a compressed format should sound better than an uncompressed format. But most likely you wouldn't even know the difference in a blind test. If you do hear a difference it's probably because they used a different master.

--
Steve
post #229 of 267
Well we can guess that PCM Uncompressed means 48kHz at 24 bit since that is the typical rate the audio stems are mixed and mastered at. But I'll let somebody else run the numbers on that to see if it's viable to fit all that on a 25GB disc.

Before the Samsung came out, the most that people can hear are the Dolby Digital Plus in surround (TrueHD is in stereo only) which has a higher bit rate than regular Dolby Digital but still lossy compressed. At least with BD's first batch of titles, they are doing better than lossy compressed audio.


fuad
post #230 of 267
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Originally Posted by Macroblocker
i'M sorry but who here wants to pay $1000 for just DD, mpeg2 and the same pic as HD DVD? The core DTS that The Toshiba re-encodes and spits out through the optical is even a higher BR than reg DTS and thats even higher than reg DD! now DD+ blows everything out of the water, does BR give you that?.....i really am asking.
An early adopter... We cant help it.
post #231 of 267
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Originally Posted by Carbo
My equipment is ISF calibrated, I know enough to know when an image is soft and lacks detail. It not even a close call. These discs are way off in terms of picture quality. They do sound good, but I believe most people will see picture 1st and maybe notice the sound difference. Once you get out of these forums, it will be a few ears here and there that will notice.

The player is nice, it works and has less flaws out of the box then toshibas but if you put these things side by side in the store the HD DVD looks far better. The dealer that i recieved mine from has set up the Samsung with a Sony XRD and the HD DVD with Toshiba TV. I think anyone that looks at these to sets side by side can tell the Sony has a nicer picture, but when the dealer play the Blueray demo and the HD DVD demo, the HD DVD Demo looks noticeably better. So if you are looking to buy and see this and then notice the better picture is comming from a cheaper machine. Well unless you are brand loyal I say most will go for the HD DVD.

I am also not a HD DVD fan boy. Remember I just spent a grand on this player. I just want content. But unless the reviews get better down the road I will probably just rent Bluerays.
Out of the thousands of mindless posts this is about the only one which provides useful information.

As flawed as first generation HD-DVD is, at least the PQ is something to write home about.
post #232 of 267
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Originally Posted by Macroblocker
i'M sorry but who here wants to pay $1000 for just DD, mpeg2 and the same pic as HD DVD? The core DTS that The Toshiba re-encodes and spits out through the optical is even a higher BR than reg DTS and thats even higher than reg DD! now DD+ blows everything out of the water, does BR give you that?.....i really am asking.
Seeing as I wouldn't know the difference between DD/DTS and True DD+, since my receiver is 3 years old, and I wouldn't know the difference between MPEG2 and 4, I don't care about those. As long as my movies look good and work fine, I'll be happy.
post #233 of 267
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Originally Posted by Action378
Question for any new owners, did the Samsung player include the Memento movie and a special demo disc that contained a few trailers and a Black Crowes concert?

Bill
Mine did not! However, it did include a little promo banner that I can stick on front of my player (I must have got the demo unit :))

This must be something that Samsung is shipping to reviewers...
post #234 of 267
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Originally Posted by WriteSimple
Well we can guess that PCM Uncompressed means 48kHz at 24 bit since that is the typical rate the audio stems are mixed and mastered at. But I'll let somebody else run the numbers on that to see if it's viable to fit all that on a 25GB disc.

Before the Samsung came out, the most that people can hear are the Dolby Digital Plus in surround (TrueHD is in stereo only) which has a higher bit rate than regular Dolby Digital but still lossy compressed. At least with BD's first batch of titles, they are doing better than lossy compressed audio.


fuad
i think sspears provided the numbers, but the LPCM on the BD discs is 16/48.
post #235 of 267
BTW, in order to hear the LPCM lossless, you will either have to have a receiver that accepts HDMI, I don't, or use the analog audio cables...uggh (not directed at audio quality, before we start that debate, again...just the inconvenience and lack of sufficient numbers of analong inputs)

i wish these new players from either camp would use 1394 for the audio!
post #236 of 267
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Originally Posted by BenDover
i think sspears provided the numbers, but the LPCM on the BD discs is 16/48.
Ah. I've stayed away from the REALLY MASSIVE HUMONGOUS thread. :D Thanks for the info.

So it's still a little bit better than 44kHz 16bit audio CDs provide.


fuad
post #237 of 267
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Originally Posted by WriteSimple
So it's still a little bit better than 44kHz 16bit audio CDs provide.
Your grasping for straws. 48Khz/16bit is better than 44.1Khz/16bit you can't even tell, it sounds the same it's just in video 48/16 is used and audio CDs are 44.1/16. To hear the difference you have to get it up at least 24bit and/or 96Khz.

...Angelo
post #238 of 267
I tried feeding 1080p24 and 1080p48 into the Samsung HL-S5088W and it won't accept it. It only accepts 1080p60, which is what I am feeding from the BD-P1000.
post #239 of 267
but to get 24bit 96KHz they studios have to remake the entire soundtrack. It might not be just a new downmix. Was the original mixed at 24/96? Are the original recorded elements in 24/96? most likely not! 16/48 is what is on a majority of HD video masters. Now you could combine the existing HD video with newer audio from another source, but it's much much harder tons more QC and complex than adding a commentary.
post #240 of 267
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain
Seeing as I wouldn't know the difference between DD/DTS and True DD+, since my receiver is 3 years old, and I wouldn't know the difference between MPEG2 and 4, I don't care about those. As long as my movies look good and work fine, I'll be happy.
DR Kain you can still get DD+ out of your old receiver because the Toshiba decodes this for you and sends it out through the 5.1 RCA outputs :D
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