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post #31 of 267
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Originally Posted by ILJG
I just hope both formats continue to iron out the quirks so we can do deeper and more fair comparisons...and oh yeah, so we can have the best picture and sound possible for our HD displays and receivers. :D
Agreed...but it would be nice to have one format or a universal player. ;)
post #32 of 267
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Originally Posted by oink
Agreed...but it would be nice to have one format or a universal player. ;)

Yes, one format would have been optimal. But since they couldn't bring themselves to play nice, I hope a HD-DVD/BD player is in the nearer rather than later future.

:cool:
post #33 of 267
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
We could be beta-testing software...

:D
Companies love it when people will pay $500 or $1000 to be beta testers. :)

Anybody know Samsung's plans for firmware updates? I'm being lazy in not checking, but I didn't think the Samsung had an ethernet connection.

--Darin
post #34 of 267
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Originally Posted by jkv4
HD-DVD RIP
Lol, not yet :p
post #35 of 267
Thread Starter 
Ugh my last post was erased :mad: , I forget cookies are disabled on these computers.

I opened another copy of The Fifth Element and this disc booted up just fine. The movie itself looks pretty good, but imo The Terminator disc takes the cake out of the three movies I have had a small chance to view so far. Keep in mind this set is not calibrated, and the lights in here do not help the issue so it is tough for me to provide a totally accurate assessment.

I do feel that the bd players and the hddvd pictures are definately comparable, and althought the 1080p output is nice, where can the bd camp explain the $500 price difference. Seeing both players side by side on the exact same television makes me wonder. I will hook up the player to a 1080p samsung dlp and see how it looks on there. In the other thread the poster was correct in saying the option for 1080p output is there, but cannot be selected as it is currently hooked up to a 720p pioneer 4361 plasma.
post #36 of 267
T2 is at a higher bitrate than the other two. I believe T2 is 22-25 Mbps avg with a 35 Mbps peak while the other two are closer to 16-18 Mbps avg. I will confirm the T2 bitrate tomorrow. I won't be able to confirm the Sony titles though.
post #37 of 267
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Originally Posted by cooldjryan
Ugh my last post was erased :mad: , I forget cookies are disabled on these computers.

I opened another copy of The Fifth Element and this disc booted up just fine. The movie itself looks pretty good, but imo The Terminator disc takes the cake out of the three movies I have had a small chance to view so far. Keep in mind this set is not calibrated, and the lights in here do not help the issue so it is tough for me to provide a totally accurate assessment.

I do feel that the bd players and the hddvd pictures are definately comparable, and althought the 1080p output is nice, where can the bd camp explain the $500 price difference. Seeing both players side by side on the exact same television makes me wonder. I will hook up the player to a 1080p samsung dlp and see how it looks on there. In the other thread the poster was correct in saying the option for 1080p output is there, but cannot be selected as it is currently hooked up to a 720p pioneer 4361 plasma.
Out of the box, Fifth Element should destroy Terminator in PQ wether the tv is calibrated or not. Something smells fishy, or maybe its the Mpeg2 their using???
post #38 of 267
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Originally Posted by cooldjryan
I do feel that the bd players and the hddvd pictures are definately comparable, and althought the 1080p output is nice, where can the bd camp explain the $500 price difference.
I think many of us knew that after the quality of HD DVD (transparent or close to transparent) there wasn't a lot of room being left to look better (other than applying noise reduction to look better to some people, better masters, or things like that), but while I think it is an interesting question in some ways, I really hope this thread doesn't devolve into another "Is HD DVD or BluRay better?" argument that has been beaten to death here. Specific attributes that are new are one thing, but just rehashing that argument doesn't seem like it would be productive here.
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Originally Posted by sspears
T2 is at a higher bitrate than the other two. I believe T2 is 22-25 Mbps avg with a 35 Mbps peak while the other two are closer to 16-18 Mbps avg. I will confirm the T2 bitrate tomorrow. I won't be able to confirm the Sony titles though.
Is that because of more space being used for audio with the other two titles? Also, I'm pretty sure this is T1 (not T2). EDIT: I see that T1 is 108 minutes and TFE is 126 minutes.

--Darin
post #39 of 267
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Originally Posted by cooldjryan
where can the bd camp explain the $500 price difference.
Easy: Slice $500/90% of CE industry. There ya go. Good to see it out and this will be interesting...
post #40 of 267
Its true - its here and its for sale NOW. Only two players arrived for the Visalia Best Buy> and no demo on the floor.
post #41 of 267
I almost dropped by BB tonight to pick up some earbuds, but I aborted...that would have been great to see BR setup there. Oh well- hopefully, they will be sure to have a display going by weekend (or maybe I should visit the one next to work tomorrow...hmmm...)
post #42 of 267
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Originally Posted by sspears
T2 is at a higher bitrate than the other two. I believe T2 is 22-25 Mbps avg with a 35 Mbps peak while the other two are closer to 16-18 Mbps avg. I will confirm the T2 bitrate tomorrow. I won't be able to confirm the Sony titles though.
16-18 Mbps mpeg2 ??, nope! not gonna cut it for me

I can watch better than that on HDNet movies :(

-Gary
post #43 of 267
...not necessarily, if HDNet is straight cbr, and especially not if by digital satellite.
post #44 of 267
And it is only a matter of time until VC-1/MPEG4 titles will hit the street. Don't judge the format on the first few discs...
post #45 of 267
Excellent stuff cooldjryan!

Can you look at the back of the movie boxes and tell us what audio formats are featured (Dolby Digital, DTS, LPCM...)

TIA.
post #46 of 267
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Originally Posted by Kevin. W
Out of the box, Fifth Element should destroy Terminator in PQ wether the tv is calibrated or not. Something smells fishy, or maybe its the Mpeg2 their using???
That has me worried to.
post #47 of 267
I thought terminator looked better than 5e, well based on HD recordings that is.
post #48 of 267
The Fifth Element was shot on Super35. Terminator was shot on Flat Academy ratio. Everything else being equal, Terminator would be sharper/less grainy.
post #49 of 267
hi cool dj ryan ;)

can u please tell us if the Blu-ray movie disks that u have, single layer or double layer..

thanks

sim
post #50 of 267
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Originally Posted by g55555sim
can u please tell us if the Blu-ray movie disks that u have, single layer or double layer..
They're all single layer for now. There are a couple of DL ones due soon.

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where can the bd camp explain the $500 price difference.
There is no explaination other than Toshiba are heavily subsidising the player
post #51 of 267
Any pics?
post #52 of 267
Can someone tell me how the player (outputing 1080p60) will handle 1080i60 Video based content? will it just bob the fields? I will try to find a BB with one local, so I can test out a BD authored DVD-R I made.
post #53 of 267
Does the player output 1080P60? 1080P24? OR BOTH?
post #54 of 267
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Originally Posted by camaj
There is no explaination other than Toshiba are heavily subsidising the player
The rumor is that the A1 is subsidised, the AX1 is breaking even (perhaps a small profit) while the Bluray players all are sold with profit, except the PS/3.
post #55 of 267
i a not sure this has been clearly posted, what is the 'power up' time? i see the disc load time at 20-30 sec from disc insertion to onscreen picture (hourglass shouldn't count here :))?

thanks...i'll have to check a couple bb store to see if they'll sell/have the sammy early and then if lucky cancel my online order...at least one lucky fellow got one from a bb.
post #56 of 267
Can you compare picture quality when selecting 720p/1080i output?
post #57 of 267
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Originally Posted by DeaconFrost
The rumor is that the A1 is subsidised, the AX1 is breaking even (perhaps a small profit) while the Bluray players all are sold with profit, except the PS/3.
Source of this rumour? Why would Toshiba subsidize an RCA product. Or should I say, why would Toshiba subsidize a product for RCA? Since the RCA sells for $499 as well!
post #58 of 267
Does the player output 1080P60? 1080P24? OR BOTH?

jeff
as many times i have already post i have confirm from the sony vice president and samsung that the player
output 24p when film material is the source.
the question is will it also output 24psf that your and my qualia needs and how
the communication is between the bd and the pr.(handshack problems or not)
and what they do with 60 i material.
output 60p?
post #59 of 267
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Originally Posted by plazman
Source of this rumour? Why would Toshiba subsidize an RCA product. Or should I say, why would Toshiba subsidize a product for RCA? Since the RCA sells for $499 as well!
That's a good question, but perhaps RCA is subsidizing it themselves. There is no question that a good portion of the most expensive hardware inside the Toshiba & Blu-ray players are very similar if not identical though.

Personally, I believe the higher price is to set an upper tier standard for the first few months while product is in short supply. This improves stores margins (profits) and employees will be pushed to selling it as a product. To nail down ONE reason why it costs $500.00 more is impossible IMO. I think there are many reasons. But, I think that if Toshiba didn't have competition from another format, but DID have more vendor support from CE manufacturers, then their players would be a fair bit more in cost then they are now.

It has been similarly asked - why does the nicer model Toshiba cost $300 more when it really adds a couple of VERY minor upgrades? Perhaps that model isn't subsidized.
post #60 of 267
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Originally Posted by DeaconFrost
The rumor is that the A1 is subsidised, the AX1 is breaking even (perhaps a small profit) while the Bluray players all are sold with profit, except the PS/3.
The A1 is clearly subsidised, and I'm sure the AX1 is also. If it weren't for BD, they'd have priced it at $1000 as they originally announced. It would be very hard for them to bring out a new optical disc format for under $1000. Remeber DVD players were close to $1000 at launch and DVD recorders were much higher still.

Some people talk about "profit" but what they really mean is the player is sold at a higher price than the raw materials. While they certainly are selling above cost price, they're almost certainly not making a profit. If you factor in the costs of R&D, fabrication, construction, distribution and advertising and marketing that "profit" turns into a loss. That's not even including profit for the retailers and sales tax.

I'd be surprised if Samsung or Sony will be making any money from their first players, profitablity comes after a few years, the early sales are usually about recovering development costs. The PS3 is a different, consoles are always subsidised (well maybe not the Gamecube or Wii) which is why it's an ideal BD player, the cost will be subsidised by those who purchase games on the most part.

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Why would Toshiba subsidize an RCA product?
It's not RCA, it's just a rebadged AXI from what I've heard. If you were RCA would you spend all the money that Toshiba have, but then have to compete with Toshiba on price? I wouldn't like to be bringing out a HD-DVD player, you'd have to make it $500. It would be harder still since a lot of people would automatically buy a Toshiba player rather than RCA. It makes better business sense for RCA to let Toshiba take all the risk and make a small profit

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Perhaps that model isn't subsidized.
It almost certainly is, but they probably loose less money on that. It would probably have been $300 more than the A1 whatever the pricepoint would have been. Since price is the main reason people are opting for HD-DVD I don't believe many AX1's will be sold
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